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combusean Jul 3, 2006 4:02 AM

Scottsdale & Paradise Valley Development News
 
Let's try to keep the Scottsdale project news, pictures, etc, in this thread. I'm probably missing a lot of stuff but here's an initial list of the major projects. I will revise it as I have information.

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SCOTTSDALE PROJECTS - REVISED 09/06/2006

Project Name            Height  Acres  DU*    C Sqft  Total  Status
1.  ASU Skysong        4f      42      325    ?      1.2M    1st O/R phases U/C, apt design approved, 09/2006
2.  IPC Partners Site  -      22      -      -      -      Initial Assemblage, 07/2006
3.  Waterfront          140'    11.3    366    204k    932.5k  Tower crane up, 07/2006
4.  W Hotel            7f/72'  2      25/225  ?      ?      Tower crane up, 07/2006
5.  Optima Camelview    7f/65'  13.3    750    38k    ?      Tower crane up, 07/2006
6.  Valley Ho Hotel    7f      8.54    35/194  ?      ?      Completed late 2005
7.  Portales Place      5f      9.7    142    0      ?      Dirt haul begun 11/2005
8.  Portales Corp Ctr  5f      3.85    0      179k    179k    Approved, 04/2005
9.  Main Street Plaza  4f      4.57    250    15k    ?      Nearing completion, 07/2006
10. Residences on Main  5f/65'  4.31    146    0      321k    Tower crane up, 07/2006
11. Safari Drive        5f/65'  4.86    227    0      338k    Old Safari Hotel site, FKA Riverwalk Square, Tower crane up, 07/2006
12. Stetson Plaza      36'    2.01    0      121k    121k    Approved, 07/2005
13. Rose Garden        3f      1.01    14      12k    72k    Preapplication Conf, 01/2006
14. Reflections Canal  2f      4.68    100    0              In review, 09/2006
TOTAL                          134.13  2799    569k

* X/Y for DU (dwelling unit) indicates Hotel/Residences
? Unknown - updates to [email protected]
- Data Not Available


Is there a crane up for Portales Place?

Don B. Jul 3, 2006 1:15 PM

Nice job. :)

Here's some Scottsdale pics from January 2006:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...dale%20Photos/

--don

loftlovr Jul 4, 2006 10:28 AM

Hell yeah! -About time....

Riverwalk Square 5f/65' 4.86 227 0 338k Old Safari Hotel

-Renamed to Safari Drive of course...
There are a lot of smaller projects proposed in Old Town too...
X lofts, Portico Lofts, 4804 (Woodbine), Project Miller, Array, Upton...

Don't forget Project One, Kierland Corporate Center 2, Landmark 2, Plaza Lofts 2, and The Dial site Development for Kierland area...

loftlovr Jul 11, 2006 5:10 PM

Here is a photo update of some of the Scottsdale developments.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...h_W-hotel2.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...h_W-hotel1.jpg
W-Hotel^
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...aterfront9.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...aterfront7.jpg
Waterfront^
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7..._Upton-lot.jpg
Upton lot^
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...ari-Drive3.jpg
Safari Drive^
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...Camelview3.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...Camelview2.jpg
Camelview^

shrek05 Jul 11, 2006 5:13 PM

Paypal expands Scottsdale Facility
 
PayPal ready to hire for new Scottsdale facility
The Business Journal of Phoenix - 10:07 AM MST Tuesday
by Adam Kress

PayPal, the popular online payment services company owned by eBay, is expanding in Scottsdale and plans to hire hundreds of new employees.

It will open a new technology development center in Scottsdale and is now accepting résumés from experienced applicants, who can apply for positions at www.paypal.com/jobs. The PayPal technology center has openings for technical professionals with expertise in product development, operations and infrastructure design, engineering and support.


"Scottsdale and the surrounding area is home to a large and skilled work force, many of whom can find great opportunities at PayPal's new technology center," said PayPal vice president of site operations and infrastructure Jim McGuire in a company statement. "We look forward to working with this large base of talented professionals, and supporting the growth of the local community."

PayPal, founded in 1998, enables any individual or business with an e-mail address to send and receive online payments securely and easily using a bank account, credit card or stored balance. The company has more than 105 million accounts and is available to users in 55 markets around the world.

"EBay and PayPal are innovative, global technology companies that will increase the region's visibility as a destination for next-generation companies," said Barry Broome, president and chief executive of the Greater Phoenix Economic Council. "Kudos to Mayor Manross and the Scottsdale City Council for creating an environment that attracts companies of this caliber."

Based in San Jose, Calif., the company has offices in Dublin, Ireland and near Omaha, Neb. Parent company eBay Inc. (NASDAQ: EBAY) is also based in San Jose.

For more: www.paypal.com.

shrek05 Jul 11, 2006 5:16 PM

On another note, I really like the Optima Camelview Village design...I drive by it everyday and its looking good. When everything at the Scottsdale/Camelback is completed, its gonna look goood

And something we should all go to once in awhile...a Saturday at the spa....

Scottsdale is tops in country for spas
By Shanna Hogan, Tribune
July 11, 2006
The smell of lavenderscented aromatherapy oil fills the lobby of the Spa at Gainey Ranch in Scottsdale as soothing melodic music plays from speakers overhead.

Inside, men and women lie in individual rooms wrapped in mud or with hot black stones lining their backbones.

It’s a familiar scene in Scottsdale.

While the city has long been known for its luxury resorts and high-end golf courses, an abundance of resort spas has given Scottsdale the new title of spa capital.

Scottsdale has the highest concentration of resort spas in the U.S., according to Luxury Spa Finder magazine, a 20-year-old publication that maintains a database of spas across the country.

Spas provide luxury beauty and health treatments like manicures, pedicures, massages, body wraps, hydrotherapy and facials.

A look at the Yellow Pages shows there are at least 77 spas in Scottsdale, both in and separate from resorts. The magazine lists at least 20 Scottsdale resort spas.

Consumers hungry for pampering have created a demand for more spa facilities throughout the country. The trend has been embraced feverishly in Scottsdale, with more resorts adding on lavish spas to attract a wider customer base.

“You can’t really have a resort in Scottsdale without having a spa nowadays,” said Kristin Roberts of Scottsdale’s Hotel Valley Ho resort. “Scottsdale is now a spa destination.”

The Valley Ho reopened in December, with a new look and the new VH Spa. Adding the spa was an important component of the renovation process to keep up with the competition, she said.

But resort spas aren’t just appealing to tourists. Complementary use of the pool, sauna and fitness center after a spa treatment has also attracted local residents.

“If I am just getting a regular facial I just go to the salon,” said Scottsdale resident Liz Wilson. ”If I am getting some sort of special treatment I go to the resort spas. It’s more of an all-day experience as opposed to just one hour.”

Wilson gets a regular monthly facial and massage. As a special treat she’ll splurge on a deluxe pedicure about three times a year.

“It’s a way to reward myself,” she said. “It’s much healthier than going out drinking or eating a huge meal.”

Today’s fast-paced lifestyle is driving more people like Wilson to look for ways to unwind, said Susie Ellis, the magazine’s president.

“The increase in stress is causing people to look for places where they can get destressed,” she said. “Spas are the best antidote for stress because that’s what they’re all about — reducing stress.”

The trend in Scottsdale was most likely fueled by the area’s plethora of golf courses, because resorts wanted to give golfers’ wives something to do while their husbands were on the green, experts said.

But the spas have now become the driving force for many out-of-state tourists.

“It’s an extremely popular aspect of the resort in and of itself,” said Trish Nugent of the Sanctuary Spa on Camelback Mountain.

Valerie Poulos of The Phoenician resort said increased competition has led to more luxury facilities and unique treatments. The Centre for Well-Being at The Phoenician offers a variety of services, including tarot card readings and 80-minute caviar facials.

Scottsdale day spas, which are not attached to resorts, are also creating new services for their clients.

“Eleven years ago we were the only real day spa in this whole city,” said Irene Kelly, owner of Spa du Soleil in Scottsdale. “All the hotels used to send us their guests when we first opened because they didn’t have spas. Over the years that has changed.”

Among Spa du Soleil’s treatments is a microcurrent sculpting facial, which uses electrically charged metal wands to firm skin and reduce wrinkles.

Scottsdale’s resort spa trend is also spreading across the state.

The Wigwam Resort in Litchfield Park opened its Red Door Spa in May. It was the first in the West Valley.

“We noticed as the resorts were popping up in Scottsdale and they were offering these great spas, that that’s what people were really starting to travel for,” said Lance Burton of the Wigwam. “It was just time for us to be able to have one as well.”

Burton predicted the trend will continue as more people discover the pleasures of spas.

“All over Arizona they’re popping up,” he said. “But Scottsdale’s always going to be at the top, and that’s where people are going to look.”

The spa industry

• Scottsdale has the highest concentration of resort spas in the United States.

• Spas are a $40 billion global industry.

• The spa industry is the fourth-largest leisure industry in the United States, generating more revenue than ski resorts, amusement/theme parks or box office receipts.

• Between 1994 and 2004, the number of U.S. spas has quadrupled, and 136 million visits to spas are now made each year. The number of spa locations is growing at an average annual rate of 20 percent over the last 8 years.

• The number of hotel/resort spas has more than tripled in five years, rising 290 percent and representing the industry’s fastest-growing segment.

• Over 30 percent of spa visitors are men — up from 24 percent in 2002. Men represent the fastest growing demographic in the spa industry.

Source: Luxury Spa Finder magazine

oliveurban Jul 12, 2006 7:35 AM

Ground broken for second phase of Kierland Commons Plaza Lofts
The Business Journal of Phoenix
Tuesday, July 11th 2006

Woodbine Southwest Corp., developer of the Kierland Commons retail/residential development along the Phoenix/Scottsdale border, Tuesday broke ground on the Phase II tower of the Plaza Lofts at Kierland Commons.

The Phase II tower, slated for completion in the fall of 2007, will comprise six residential levels above a three-story parking garage. The building will be on the north side of Kierland Commons.

For Tuesday's ceremonies, officials ditched the usual photo-op shovels in favor of a "lifestyle presentation" with human and canine actors role-playing activities such as valet parking a sports car, attending a cocktail party and taking a leisurely afternoon stroll.

The first phase of the Plaza Lofts had 30 lofts, and in the second phase that number grows to 54, ranging in size from 1,100 to 2,800 square feet. Five penthouse suites on the ninth floor will range from 3,200 to 3,900 square feet and will feature custom buildouts.

According to Woodbine Southwest officials, sales began in March and the project is already more than 50 percent sold.

Nelsen Architects is the architect on the project, and Sundt Construction Inc. is the general contractor. Signature Properties is handling the role of residential broker.


For more: www.plazaloftskierland.com.

shrek05 Jul 12, 2006 4:02 PM

ah, thats exciting. i really enjoy the kierland area. very nice place to walk around and stroll in late afternoon and early evening.

oliveurban Jul 15, 2006 9:22 AM

Dial to stay in Scottsdale but move to near Loop 101
Peter Corbett
The Arizona Republic
Jul. 15, 2006

SCOTTSDALE - Scottsdale-based Dial Corp. announced Friday that it intends to keep its headquarters in Scottsdale in a new, multistory facility northeast of Scottsdale Road and Loop 101.

Dial plans to locate its corporate offices and research center in the One Scottsdale development, planned by DMB, developer of DC Ranch.

The move is expected in 2008.

Phoenix and Scottsdale had been competing for months to snag Dial's new Valley headquarters and its 650 employees.

Scottsdale won out in the competition for the consumer products company.

Phoenix had identified a site a few miles west of Scottsdale Road at Tatum and Mayo boulevards for Dial.

Dial moved its headquarters from Phoenix to the Scottsdale Airpark, near Greenway and Scottsdale roads, in 1997. Dial's research facility has been in the Airpark since 1976.

Dial's products include its signature soap and a wide range of products: Purex laundry detergent, Right Guard antiperspirant and Combat, a roach insecticide.

Scottsdale civic leaders welcomed the long-awaited announcement, while Phoenix leaders expressed disappointment.

Scottsdale Mayor Mary Manross said Dial's decision is a vote of confidence in Scottsdale.

"It speaks to the strength of our economy, the excellence of our workforce and the great quality of life we offer in Scottsdale and the region," the mayor said.

combusean Aug 2, 2006 6:19 PM

Group to fight height wish
N. Scottsdale proposal may go to 10 stories

Peter Corbett
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 2, 2006 12:00 AM

Quote:

SCOTTSDALE - DMB Associates is preparing to ask the Scottsdale City Council to allow some of the city's tallest structures in north Scottsdale at its One Scottsdale project.

But a citizens group vows to fight the proposal, contending that it would double the height to 120 feet, or about 10 stories.

Bob Vairo, Coalition of Pinnacle Peak president, said taller buildings northeast of Scottsdale Road and Loop 101 would harm the area's skyline and further snarl traffic.

"If we value the views and the mountains and what makes Scottsdale so special, then do we let it morph into something else, a highly urbanized area?" Vairo said.

Scottsdale-based DMB plans to build 1.8 million square feet of offices, retail and residential units at One Scottsdale, starting next year.

Height limits are 60 feet on the southern end of the project and 45 feet on the northern end.

DMB attorney Karrin Taylor said the company plans to ask the Scottsdale City Council to increase the project's height limit, but she would not say how tall it might go. The overall size or square footage of the project would not change.

DMB's architectural design team wants to vary the building height to make it more visually appealing, she said.

"We've taken a step back and asked ourselves, 'How can we create a better place aesthetically and bring greater value to the area?' " Taylor said. "It can be done and executed in a more artful way."

But the Coalition of Pinnacle Peak wants the city to draw a line and limit building heights in north Scottsdale.

Scottsdale's tallest buildings are 143 feet high, but all are downtown.

Mayor Mary Manross said she would withhold judgment until DMB submits its request for an amended plan.

Nearby, Phoenix is expected to allow buildings up to 190 feet, or 17 stories, for Palisene, Westcor's competing mixed-use development northwest of Loop 101 and Scottsdale Road

combusean Aug 2, 2006 6:27 PM

Not sure if this is the Stetson Plaza development or a new project.

Council calls meeting on condo plan

Steve Yozwiak
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 1, 2006 12:00 AM
Quote:

SCOTTSDALE - Whatever you do, don't mess with Old Town Scottsdale.

That's the message Councilwoman Betty Drake is sending after a recent review of a redesigned three-story building at 4020 N. Scottsdale Road.

The Red Mountain Retail Group wants to turn it into a combination of condos and a retail furniture gallery.

It is a powerful enough message that Mayor Mary Manross is cutting the City Council's planned seven-week summer hiatus short by nearly three weeks. The council last met July 11 and was not previously scheduled to meet again until Aug. 28.

The council now will meet next Tuesday to reconsider what is known as the 4020 Building, northwest of First Avenue and Scottsdale Road.

"It's a nice design, but is it appropriate in the middle of Old Town?" Manross said Monday.

The mayor said she called the special meeting at Drake's request.

She said the meeting couldn't wait because the council only has 20 days to review any decision of the Development Review Board.

The council will consider whether to initiate a review of the July 20 decision by the board, which approved the project 6-1.

At that board meeting, public discussion favoring the project spoke about the desire of having a mix of residential and retail in downtown Scottsdale.

Those opposed generally criticized the architectural style and building materials as being too modern and out of touch with the more rustic, Western and Santa Fe adobe architecture of Old Town Scottsdale.

combusean Aug 2, 2006 6:36 PM

Scottsdale condos opening as fever dips
Scottsdale wave starts strong, may ebb later

Peter Corbett
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 2, 2006 12:00 AM

Quote:

Scottsdale's condominium market is showing signs of slowing just as some of downtown's projects are close to moving in their first residents.

The Hotel Valley Ho is to complete its first condos early this month, and the residential tower should be completed by November, said Alyssa Wick Thomas, a sales agent for Russ Lyon Realty.

With the market cooling, Thomas said it is fortunate the Valley Ho is on the leading edge of downtown's condo development wave.

"It's certainly not as strong as it was two years ago when people were signing up without even looking at anything," she said. "Now they're analyzing everything and crunching the numbers."

About half of the Valley Ho's 37 condos have been sold. Among the remaining condos are 1,800-square-foot penthouses, priced at $1.5 million.

Some other projects in the first wave of what is expected to be 2,000 new downtown condos will welcome their first tenants during the next few months.

Optima Camelview's first residents will move in by September. Spokeswoman Jennifer Ziegler said about 535 of 700 condos have been sold. Steel framing was to start last month on the second phase.

The first occupants of the 13-story Scottsdale Waterfront Residences will move in by January. Meanwhile, the steel framing of the second residential tower on this project is nearly complete, with move-ins scheduled for the second quarter of 2007.

Developer Alan Farris said Main Street Plaza will turn on the lights and air-conditioning for its first residents in August. Construction of a second phase will start later this year, he said.

Soft buyers flee

Scottsdale's market started picking up steam when the condo cranes went up, and it appeared buyers were feverish about the new urban lifestyle that builders were touting downtown.

It's clear now that some of those folks were testing the waters. Once developers had their real estate reports in hand and wanted signed contracts, some of the so-called buyers took their refundable deposits and pulled out.

"We had buyers who went to all of the different developments and put their money down," said Thomas, the Russ Lyon Realty agent.

Now, as the doors open on a new style of luxury living in Scottsdale, it will be interesting to see how many condo deals close and whether prices slip or developers offer incentives to fill up their lofty and costly perches.

Resale market cools

While builders add finishing touches to new condos, Scottsdale's resale condo market has seen sales dip 18 percent from May to June. The median sales price last month was $264,750, up 1.2 percent from May but down 7 percent from February, according to the Arizona Real Estate Center at Arizona State University.

Valley-wide sales of existing condos were off 30 percent from May to June, and the price dipped 0.2 percent.

Local buyers, squeezed out of the single-family home market, had shifted to condos and condo conversions. But many of those doors closed to them when prices shot past $200,000 for dolled-up apartments, some of them older than the 20-something buyers.

loftlovr Aug 4, 2006 8:05 AM

Ouch......
(I bought in Camelview)

http://housingpanic.blogspot.com/200...c_archive.html
Check out this blog- an angry fellow... There are a few articles on Phx if you look through...

I sure hope they're wrong!!
I'd love for the Feds to lower interest rates next year to bring the market back a little... but that's another discussion!

HX_Guy Aug 4, 2006 8:56 AM

Man this article is the worst...

Here come the mid-construction halted condo projects...


When we first heard there was going to be a 15 story condo project in Chandler, yes, Chandler Arizona, many of us laughed and laughed.

No matter how purty the stock-art photos of young couples doing wine and cheese, it's tough to sell a $1,000,000 2-bedroom condo in such a lame area. Well, we're now finding out, it's not just tough, it's impossible.

Wonder how they'll tear these condo building frames down, in Arizona, in Miami, in San Diego, in Denver, in ...?

Work has virtually stopped at the 10-story luxury hotel under construction south of Chandler Fashion Center, and the city has warned the project architect that some permits issued in January have yet to be paid for.

When asked Friday whether there were problems with the project, Oaks, the architect, said he could not comment. Builders have finished eight floors, but the ninth and 10th floors for condominiums are considered a different phase of the project.

Plans call for 243 rooms, including 10 executive suites. The top two floors will house 27 condominiums that range in price from $500,000 to $2 million. The hotel has a projected opening date of November 2007. The 10-acre site will include a 15-story condominium tower southwest of the hotel and a four-story parking garage with more than 600 spaces. Construction on that tower is expected to begin in late summer.


I hope projects currently under construction in Phoenix and Tempe don't end up the same...mainly Monroe 44, Summit, Sheraton, and W hotel...if that even ever takes off.

kevininlb Aug 4, 2006 3:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HX_Guy
Man this article is the worst...

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I hope projects currently under construction in Phoenix and Tempe don't end up the same...mainly Monroe 44, Summit, Sheraton, and W hotel...if that even ever takes off.

With the new convention center and light rail coming, I doubt it. But, what do I know? Just hopeful...

loftlovr Aug 22, 2006 8:38 PM

Reflections on the Canal:
http://eservices.scottsdaleaz.gov/ca...x?caseid=29484

http://eservices.scottsdaleaz.gov/pl...47_DR_2005.pdf
*** a rather dull and uninspiring townhome complex..... taking place of Waterfront Ivy...

Orange Row Condos:
http://eservices.scottsdaleaz.gov/ca...x?caseid=30254

http://eservices.scottsdaleaz.gov/pl...83_DR_2005.pdf

http://www.robpaulus.com/projects/re...iple/oran.html
**** same architect as Ice House Lofts in Tucson- very cool looking project

4020 Building:
http://eservices.scottsdaleaz.gov/ca...701&buttons=no

http://eservices.scottsdaleaz.gov/pl...10_DR_2005.pdf
I really like the looks of this one too.

*On a side note- I better start seeing some serious canal improvements soon! These projects keep marketing the canal as a positive thing... Waterfront huh.... yucky for now.

HX_Guy Aug 22, 2006 9:28 PM

I agree on the canal thing. To me, that's no "Waterfront"...waterfront would be something like the Tempe Town Lake...not some 15ft wide canal.

shrek05 Aug 24, 2006 3:05 PM

Scottsdale earns second PGA Tour stop
 
PGA Tour event set at Grayhawk
Fry's Electronics Open to limit ticket sales

Peter Corbett
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 24, 2006 12:00 AM
SCOTTSDALE - A PGA Tour golf tournament scheduled at Scottsdale's Grayhawk Golf Club in October 2007 will limit attendance to a fraction of the FBR Open's crowds.

The Fry's Electronics Open on Grayhawk's Raptor Course will likely cap ticket sales at about 10,000 to 15,000 per day, said Del Cochran, Grayhawk Golf Club captain. The FBR averaged 111,315 fans each tournament day.

But he and the host Thunderbirds civic group say they are excited about staging a second PGA event next year.

"I'm overjoyed," Cochran said. "We love the October timeline that sets up the market for the season, and the weather is perfect."

The PGA Tour and the Thunderbirds announced Wednesday that the Fry's Electronics Open is one of seven tournaments in a new fall series.

The tournament, with a $5 million purse and full field of 132 players, will be Oct. 15-21 at Grayhawk, northeast of Hayden Road and Thompson Peak Parkway.

It is not expected to attract golf's top tour players because it falls a month after the Tour Championship, when many players take time off.

But Greg Hoyt, tournament chairman, said he called some of the local players to invite them to compete.

"With such a large contingent of tour professionals already living here in the Valley, we should have a strong field vying for the championship," said Hoyt, who was the 2004 FBR Open chairman.

The FBR Open, which will be played at the TPC Scottsdale Jan. 29-Feb. 4, attracted 536,777 for this year's event.

kevininlb Aug 24, 2006 4:08 PM

:cheers:

Hey, I'm still relatively new to the Phx area so I won't be embarrassed by asking this. Okay, so I have never -- ever -- been to DT Scottsdale (really, I'm serious). That's a happening place, yes? If so, what street/area should I go to this weekend? I have a friend visiting and I'd like to take him somewhere with clubs, etc. (As an aside, I'm quite familiar with Mill in Tempe; it's my default place for nightlife because I'm not sure where else to go [and, I like it]).

Thanks for any suggestions.

HX_Guy Aug 24, 2006 6:43 PM

Here you go...

http://www.nitnelav.com/ScottsdaleNight.JPG

That is where (red square, not green arrow) the big night club spot is in DT Scottsdale...there's a probably 6+ clubs all in that area.

kevininlb Aug 24, 2006 7:17 PM

:previous: Thanks.

PHX31 Aug 24, 2006 7:27 PM

Actually, here you go:

There are more areas of downtown/oldtown Scottsdale that have bars and clubs than just the red area. I can think of at least a dozen off the top of my head. (edit: extend the blue south of Indian School Rd).

http://members.cox.net/mmblueaz/ScottsdaleNight.jpg

Check this out: http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/projects...pDirectory.pdf

That will give you a directory you can look over to find something you're into. You can look up a bar/club and all of the addresses are there so you can look them up on google earth/maps.

Here's a list of all of the possible places I can think of (and I know there are tons more). Some are clubs, some are lounges, some are just bars, and others are restaurants with popular bars.

Suede
Six
Drift
RA
Singray Sushi
e4
Pussy Cat Lounge
Next
Axis/Radius
Drinx
Bungalow
Crown Room
Devil's Martini
Mickey's Hangover
Maloney's
Salty Seniorita
Sugar Daddy's
Bar 74
Martini Ranch
Myst
...others too. Let me know what you're looking to go to with your friend, and I'll tell you a place you would like.

kevininlb Aug 24, 2006 7:38 PM

:previous:

Wow, this is great. We're not looking to settle into one particular place. We'd rather walk around, step in and out, and get a feel for the place. This info is perfect...appreciate it.

oliveurban Aug 24, 2006 8:13 PM

^ And just to get a tad more specific, if you are planning on doing much of your bar hopping on foot, the highest concentrations of bars/ clubs/ lounges in closest proximity to each other are generally located in the areas in red. If walking, I'd try to find a parking spot near one of these areas, and then walk between. Indian Plaza/ Shoeman Ln (Axis/ Radius, Pussy Cat Lounge, Suede, Ballroom, etc.), Stetson Dr (Martini Ranch, Six, Stix, Mickey's Hangover, etc.), and then Craftsman Ct (Next, Dos Gringo's, Acme, etc.) are your best bets to begin with:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...x/oldtown1.jpg

* Of course, as previously noted by others, there are many other notable places to go to still within walking distance; however, as you do move farther and farther away from these general areas, distances between establishments become larger, as they are less concentrated.

PHX31 Aug 24, 2006 8:17 PM

/\ Yeah, what he said, that's what I was trying to get at. :)

kevininlb Aug 25, 2006 1:19 PM

:previous:

Wow, this will be fun. Now if the dang workday would just end. Thanks all.

ArtDecoFan Aug 31, 2006 6:11 AM

Scottsdale Town Hall to address downtown future
 
For those interested...

Scottsdale Town Hall to address downtown future

The Business Journal of Phoenix - 12:40 PM MST Wednesday

The Scottsdale City Council is hoping to generate community discussion about the future of the city's downtown through a $30,000 contract with Arizona Town Hall.

The organization will assist in gathering input from city stakeholders including Scottsdale residents, investors and business owners, the council announced Wednesday.

Key to that effort will be a Scottsdale Town Hall Nov. 15, 16 and 20. About 100 participants will be selected to take part in the half-day discussions. A report from the event is due out by the end of November. Additional opportunities for community input will take place later in the process, including a city council work/study session in December or January.

Scottsdale has experienced unprecedented growth and investment in the past three years, which has sparked a significant change in the downtown culture, the council said, noting that efforts are under way to ensure the area's future is guided by community input and a partnership between the public and private sectors.

Those interested in participating in the Scottsdale Town Hall may fill out an application, which is available at http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/Projects...n/townhall.asp .

Arizona Town Hall is an independent nonprofit membership organization created to address critical issues facing the state.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/s...l?surround=lfn

Don B. Sep 1, 2006 4:40 AM

^ I signed up for that gig.

In other news, a new $41 million development is nearing completion in downtown Scottsdale:

http://www.azcentral.com/community/s...anal31-ON.html

Scottsdale renaissance in full swing with SouthBridge project

Peter Corbett
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 31, 2006 05:05 PM

A linchpin redevelopment project that aims to attract strolling tourists and locals to downtown Scottsdale's canal banks is taking shape in the shadow of the city's tallest buildings. SouthBridge, a $41 million restaurant and retail complex along the Arizona Canal, is poised to make its own dramatic statement when its four buildings open early next year.

Developer Fred Unger of Scottsdale-based Spring Creek Development said that the four-story SouthBridge project will be a transition from the 13-story Scottsdale Waterfront, with its condos, stores and restaurants, to the lower profile shops and nationally recognized art galleries along Fifth Avenue and Marshall Way. A new canal bridge and a plaza with a cascading water feature will link the project that flank the Arizona Canal, southwest of Camelback and Scottsdale roads.

"We want it to be the heart and soul of downtown Scottsdale," said Unger, adding that he is hoping SouthBridge will be recognized as one of the nation's best public places.

SouthBridge, the Scottsdale Waterfront and the Arizona Canal are at the center of Scottsdale's redevelopment binge that has seen $2 billion in private investment downtown over the past three years, according to city officials. Scottsdale's early builders turned their backs on the irrigation canal, a barrier that cuts diagonally across the city. They treated the waterway like an alley. Civic leaders for decades hoped to turn the canal into an asset with landscaped pathways, water features and bridges. Unger and others failed in the 1990s to revive the canal and downtown, but the area renaissance is now in full swing.

Scottsdale Waterfront's retail and office component is nearly complete. Plus, thousands of condominium owners will soon begin moving into the Waterfront towers and a half dozen other high-end downtown condo projects. Spring Creek Development also plans to build 66 residential units at SouthBridge over the next two years, depending on market conditions, Unger said. Completion of the 3-acre SouthBridge development next spring and the influx of residents will bring a noticeable change to downtown, said John Little, Scottsdale's downtown administrator.

"The social dynamics begin to change in a fundamental way," Little said. "That really begins to transform downtown into another neighborhood."

It also will bring deep-pocketed residents to the canal banks and SouthBridge, which intends to give them something unique. Unger, who renovated the nearby Royal Palms Resort and Hermosa Inn, explained that SouthBridge will rely on individually owned restaurants and shops rather than leasing to national chains and retailers.

"I still believe in independence," he said. "I'm not a chain person."

Home-grown qualities

Scottsdale restaurateur Peter Kasperski of Cowboy Ciao will operate four restaurants at SouthBridge, including the Mexican Standoff and an Italian eatery called Digestif. Kapsperski's partner Nobu Fukuda will move his See Saw restaurant into SouthBridge and will unveil another one called Shell Shock, with seafood and Japanese finger food. A European-style café, the fine-dining Estate House and a chic restaurant lounge called Canal also are in the mix.

SouthBridge's 30,000 square feet of retail will include home furnishings and fashion. It will be anchored by Jennifer Croll, a Scottsdale-based fashion retailer that will share space with other boutique retailers.

Chains in nearby mall

Shoppers looking for chain retailers can take the bridge over to Scottsdale Waterfront or continue north to Scottsdale Fashion Square. The home-grown aspect of SouthBridge adds to the project's risk - banks were wary, Unger said - but could pay dividends for the 400,000-square-foot project.

"I think it's extremely far-sighted," said Little, the city administrator. "Downtown is trying to create a sense of place, something unique and original and special. I think the exclusion of chain stores south of the canal helps reinforce that in a strong way. "It really is a departure from Anywhere, USA," Little added.

SouthBridge also includes two office condos and two levels of free public parking. Scottsdale contributed $5 million for the underground parking garage and $11 million for the bridge and canal-bank improvements, Little said.


--don

xymox Sep 7, 2006 3:19 AM

Anyone notice the tower crane that went up near the airpark? I didn't drive to find it, but I spied it from the 101 at Desert Ridge last weekend. I'm assuming this is for the 9 story loft project at Kierland - any ideas?

Also, anyone notice they are adding floors to the Mayo Hospital @ Desert Ridge? At least two or three more it seems...was surprised to see them building on top of the existing tower!

Don B. Sep 7, 2006 5:27 AM

Yep and yep. If you look in my recent Tempe/Scottsdale photo thread ("I got a new lens..."), you'll see the tower crane for Plaza Lofts at Kierland. We can't afford it, though. Prices start in the 700s for one bedroom, 1,000 square feet.

Mayo's pretty cool as well. Drove by it Tuesday morning on the way back from Prescott.

--don

loftlovr Sep 9, 2006 1:23 PM

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/ind...dest=STY-73604

Westcor to reshape Fashion Square mall area
By Ed Taylor, Tribune
September 8, 2006
Westcor, the owner of the Scottsdale Fashion Square shopping center, is eyeing the redevelopment of a 13-acre portion of the property at Scottsdale and Camelback roads for mixed uses including hotels, condos and possibly a retail village.

The makeover would include a new retail area to replace the former Robinsons-May department store at the east end of the mall, which was acquired by Westcor after Robinsons-May owner May Department Stores merged with Federated Department Stores, owner of Macy’s. As a result of that merger, Federated decided to keep the existing Macy’s department store in the mall and no longer needed the redundant Robinsons-May store.

As part of the east side makeover, Westcor could tear out an existing parking structure and the Robinsons-May building to create a new main entry way to the shopping center from Scottsdale Road and possibly a shopping village for luxury retailers facing onto the street, said David Scholl, senior vice president of development for Westcor.

The Robinsons-May building could be retained if a new tenant or tenants want to occupy it, he said.

In addition, the north side of the Westcor-owned property — now occupied by a motel, restaurant and gas station — has the potential for more intensive uses after leases on the existing buildings expire in a couple of years, he said.

“Those are 13 of the best acres in the entire Valley to redevelop,” he said. “Opportunities like this come only once or twice in a developer’s career.”

Any residential development on the Westcor-owned property would be in addition to about 2,000 housing units under construction or planned by other developers around the shopping center, he said.

Westcor spokeswoman Anita Walker said the company wants to move quickly on the Robinsons-May portion of the project. “We are meeting with retailers now,” she said. “We’d like to move on that sooner rather than later.”

The north side component will take more time because Westcor will not regain control of the property for two years, but the company is drawing up a site plan for the area, she said. No rezoning would be needed to put in residential units, but Scottsdale’s approval would be required for added height, she said.

The plans for Scottsdale Fashion Square are following a similar pattern used by Westcor in remaking Biltmore Fashion Park at 24th Street and Camelback Road in Phoenix. The company, a subsidiary of The Macerich Co. of Santa Monica, Calif., is revamping the retail portion of the center and plans to construct two mid-rise towers on the east side of the property for a hotel and condos.

Scholl said the company hopes to obtain zoning approval for the towers from the Phoenix City Council in November, but actual construction will have to await improvements by Phoenix to the water system in the area. He said the company hopes to have the mid-rise project finished in a few years.

Westcor, a retail specialist, is moving toward mixed uses of its properties because of market demand, Scholl said.

“It’s urban living,” he said. “People want to have their urban condos and a Starbucks and shopping at the bottom of the condo tower.”

He said Westcor probably will invite partners to develop the housing and hotel portions of its properties but will retain a say on the way those projects are developed to make sure they enhance the retail portion.

Westcor also plans to redevelop part of Fiesta Mall in Mesa, where the Macy’s store became vacant as a result of the Federated-May merger. Macy’s decided to occupy the Robinsons-May space, and Westcor bought the Macy’s store.

Westcor probably will tear down the building and turn the space into an outdoor shopping village for new tenants, said Garrett Newland, assistant vice president/ development.

“We’re looking at retail, restaurant and entertainment options,” he said. The timing on the project will depend on when new tenants are willing to commit, Walker said.

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This is Huge! :D

oliveurban Sep 9, 2006 8:40 PM

^ Good news, all around. A new, more prominent entrance facing Scottsdale Rd would be a great thing.

Eventually getting rid of that hodgepodge north of the mall would be great too--the Days Inn, that chain restaurant gone makeshift theater (can't remember the name?), Coco's, Chevron, etc. etc. Something more organized, urban, and fitting for the area.

AZchristopher Sep 10, 2006 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by camelback_road
^ Good news, all around. A new, more prominent entrance facing Scottsdale Rd would be a great thing.

Eventually getting rid of that hodgepodge north of the mall would be great too--the Days Inn, that chain restaurant gone makeshift theater (can't remember the name?), Coco's, Chevron, etc. etc. Something more organized, urban, and fitting for the area.


I've always laughed at having the Coco's there. Places like Claim Jumper bleed money in Scottsdale because they aren't consider fancy enough yet a Coco's survives right next to Fashion Square. Always seemed so completely out of place.

oliveurban Sep 16, 2006 10:40 AM

Fashion Square has more 'luxury' space
Angelique Soenarie
The Arizona Republic
Sept. 16, 2006

If you think Scottsdale Fashion Square boasts an abundance of brand-name luxury stores, think bigger.

Talks of what will become of the empty Robinsons-May on the mall's eastern side, facing Scottsdale Road, are in the works.

Federated Department Stores, which owns Robinsons-May, closed the store this year.

"This is a project that a lot of people think is done because it's so successful, and it's an amazing iconic part of Scottsdale," said Anita Walker, a Westcor spokeswoman.

"What they don't know is that it's just the beginning. It's in its infancy. Scottsdale has so much potential to continue to be a premier luxury center in Arizona."

Who will fill the space left by Robinsons-May, one of the mall's five anchor department stores, is unknown. However, an undisclosed retailer has sent a letter of intent, Walker said.

"The space is going to be reconfigured to be able to serve the luxury shopper," she said. "You're going to see some amazing stores come into Scottsdale."

Westcor, one of the Valley's largest managers of malls, is looking to remodel the space, making room for more high-end stores to complement the likes of Gucci, Louis Vuitton or Tiffany & Co. The space could be filled with high-end luxury boutiques, junior department stores and eateries that currently are not in Arizona.

Days Inn, just north of the former Robinsons-May and also facing Scottsdale Road, could turn into a residential area or a hotel.

Managers for Westcor, owner of the 7-acre property, said that the hotel's lease expires in two years. Plans to develop the property include more retail and restaurants.

"That is going to take a whole new look and direction," Walker said. "That will be more of a lifestyle."

Scottsdale Fashion Square, the largest mall in the Valley, houses nearly 225 retailers with the most exclusive high-end stores and four department stores: Dillard's, Macy's, Neiman Marcus and Nordstrom.

The mall averages $8 million a year in sales tax revenue, said David Roderique, Scottsdale's general manager of economic vitality.

el_avocado Sep 17, 2006 4:04 AM

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Originally Posted by camelback_road
Fashion Square has more 'luxury' space
Angelique Soenarie
The Arizona Republic
Sept. 16, 2006

If you think Scottsdale Fashion Square boasts an abundance of brand-name luxury stores, think bigger.

Here's my bigger thought: Tear that mall down. Malls are spawns of suburban sprawl!!!!!!!!!

Don B. Sep 17, 2006 11:11 AM

^ He's baaack! :)

Using your logic, we should tear down Desert Sky and Metrocenter as well. Thankfully your logic is not controlling.

--don

Azndragon837 Sep 17, 2006 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by el_avocado
Here's my bigger thought: Tear that mall down. Malls are spawns of suburban sprawl!!!!!!!!!

Scottsdale Fashion Square refutes your quote. If you read the article throughly, it seems like that mall is spawning a lot of urban development around the area...Waterfront, condos, and the plan to redevelop the northern end of the mall to add in more retail and living spaces fronting Scottsdale Road, etc. So this mall is spawning URBAN development, not suburban sprawl. Just wanted to point that out. :haha:

-Andrew

oliveurban Sep 19, 2006 8:56 AM

Consultants mull light rail for Scottsdale
Casey Newton
The Arizona Republic
Sept. 19, 2006

SCOTTSDALE - Light rail is a strong possibility for at least some part of Scottsdale Road, city consultants said Monday.

HDR Inc., which is putting together a master transportation plan for Scottsdale, identified six alternatives for putting high-capacity transit on the city's main north-south corridor.

All six alternatives would start at the Scottsdale-Tempe border and go north. In order of expense, they are:

• Light rail to Earll Drive, with modern streetcar to Scottsdale Airpark. Cost: $540 million.

• Light rail to Chaparral Road, with bus rapid transit to the airpark. Cost: $515 million.

• Modern streetcar to the airpark. Cost: $450 million.

• Light rail to Earll Drive, with bus rapid transit to the airpark. Cost: $413 million.

• Modern streetcar to downtown, with bus rapid transit to the airpark. Cost: $343 million.

• Bus rapid transit to Shea Boulevard. Cost: $180 million.

The estimated costs are for capital expenses only, not operating costs.

HDR will recommend which technology to use.

The City Council is expected in October to narrow the list to two or three alternatives.

Only two residents attended the first public meeting Monday, the first of 10 meetings the city is holding this week.

Resident Pete Spehar said he was concerned about the large subsidies Scottsdale would have to provide to keep fares low on a light-rail system.

"I don't know why they can't make them pay for themselves."

Don B. Sep 19, 2006 11:53 AM

^ Perhaps no one attended because the meetings were not publicized? I read the Arizona Republic daily and didn't see anything about this.

In addition, I never heard back from the Scottsdale Town Hall thing I filled out the app for. I'm not surprised and frankly I don't have time to worry about it. Clearly they aren't really interested in getting feedback from the citizens, though.

--don

JI5 Sep 20, 2006 2:51 AM

Residents brace for light rail fight

Casey Newton
The Arizona Republic
Sept. 19, 2006 05:05 PM


SCOTTSDALE - If light rail eventually comes to Scottsdale, at least one group of residents appears ready to run city leaders out of town on it.

A group of citizens staunchly opposed to the technology blasted a consultant's proposals on Monday, saying they would do irreparable harm to Scottsdale's quality of life.

"You people have completely lost all common sense," resident Jane White said. "Talk about a waste of money. Ugh!" advertisement




Neighborhood activist Patty Badenoch told consultant Mike James of HDR Inc. that light rail would increase crime and traffic along Scottsdale's main north-south road. She was among many attendees who said they feared the City Council already had made up its mind in favor of rail.

"I feel this is the beginning of a done deal," Badenoch said. "I will do anything I can to derail it."

Teresa Huish, project manager for the transportation master plan, assured residents that Scottsdale was still evaluating rail, streetcar and bus rapid transit technologies and had made no decisions.

"It's not a done deal," said Huish, Scottsdale's principal transportation planner.

Still, residents were unconvinced. When James introduced a slide from his presentation titled "Where do we go from here?" one woman shouted, "Move out of state!"

Some neighborhood activists are gathering signatures for a petition that asks that any light-rail plan be brought to residents in the form of an advisory question placed on a ballot before the city could adopt such a plan.

Other residents said light rail was inevitable, and that Scottsdale should consider paying for it now.

"Is it going to be less expensive 10 or 20 years from now?" resident Charles Poston said. "We're just pushing the cost down the river."

Residents were more enthusiastic about transit options at a Tuesday hearing, but Huish said that nearly all of the comments received in the first few meetings reflected a deep skepticism about light rail technology.

HDR will use public comments in narrowing down their list of six alternatives to two or three. The City Council is expected to vote on which options members want HDR to evaluate more thoroughly at a meeting next month.

Deciding which form of mass transit to put on Scottsdale Road is likely to be the most controversial piece of the $1.1 million comprehensive transportation plan, which has been under development since November. The plan is expected to be finalized and adopted in the spring.

JI5 Sep 20, 2006 2:52 AM

Still, residents were unconvinced. When James introduced a slide from his presentation titled "Where do we go from here?" one woman shouted, "Move out of state!"


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I HOPE SHE MOVES OUT OF STATE!

Don B. Sep 20, 2006 3:00 AM

I see the idiots are crawling out of the woodwork in Scottsdale now. Jane White is the same wizened old battleaxe that fights every transportation initiative.

Get a life!

--don

combusean Sep 20, 2006 4:26 AM

Alternative 7:

Light rail to the airpark. Why isn't this being discussed?

Why the hell are Scottsdaliens already selling this thing short?

HooverDam Sep 20, 2006 4:45 AM

You have to think of it from their perspective...why do rich Scottsdale people who probably have multiple cars need the light rail for? Of course they don't want to pay for something they'll never use. It may be short sighted, but its another good reason that in a perfect world I'd hope transit would be private. When you make it a public project, it becomes a politcal football and people don't want their taxes taken for something theyll never see any benefit from.

JI5 Sep 20, 2006 4:46 AM

We should all write a letter to Jane White. Better yet, lets all chip in, and buy her a one-way ticket to Tucson.

loftlovr Sep 20, 2006 6:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JI5
We should all write a letter to Jane White. Better yet, lets all chip in, and buy her a one-way ticket to Tucson.

:worship:

loftlovr Sep 20, 2006 6:35 AM

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/ind...dest=STY-74444

Builders seeking approval to raise Scottsdale heights
By Ari Cohn, Tribune
September 19, 2006
The tallest building at the $1.5 billion One Scottsdale complex could top out at 89 feet — or nearly 30 feet taller than an original agreement — if developers convince city officials to grant height exemptions.

The second-tallest building would stand 78 feet high — 18 feet taller than the development agreement allows, a representative of developer DMB Associates said Monday.

Both buildings would be in the southern half of One Scottsdale, a proposed 120-acre commercial, residential and office complex at Loop 101 and Scottsdale Road.

The public will get a chance to view and comment on the plans at a city-hosted open house at 4 p.m. Oct. 4 at the Scottsdale Water Campus, 8787 Hualapai Drive.

One Scottsdale is expected to include 1.8 million square feet of commercial, retail and office space, 400 resort and hotel rooms and 1,100 residential units including penthouses and urban estate homes.

“It’s a key project and we want to make sure people are informed,” said city planning spokeswoman Robin Meinhart.

On Oct. 11, the Planning Commission is expected to hold a public hearing on DMB’s request to amend a 2002 development agreement to allow buildings in the project to be built up to a maximum height of 90 feet.

Karrin Taylor, DMB’s vice president of entitlements, said the firm will not be asking for any amendments to height restrictions in the northern half of the project, north of Center Drive.

In the southern half of the site, the developers have asked for height exemptions to allow the so-called Flatiron Building, planned along Center Drive, to be built up to 78 feet, Taylor said.

Another building, tentatively called Building E, would sit centrally in the southern half of the site and would be the project’s tallest building at 89 feet, she said.

The City Council is scheduled to consider both the height exemption request and a proposal for the city to put $50 million toward infrastructure to serve One Scottsdale on Nov. 14.

The $50 million, to be paid back through sales taxes generated by the project, would be used for nearby public improvements, including road construction and widening, Scottsdale officials have said.

loftlovr Oct 3, 2006 9:47 AM

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...afari10-06.jpg
Safari Drive slowwwwly making progress.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...front10-06.jpg
Waterfront getting closer! Now how about those canal improvements?
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...cotts10-06.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...otts10-062.jpg
W Hotel with Safari Crane in background...
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...view10-062.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7...lview10-06.jpg
And Camelview continues to tear it up!

BA744PHX Oct 3, 2006 3:42 PM

Does anyone know when the W Scottsdale is going to open? I know they were originally to open in December 2006. On another note I heard a rumor from a Starwood employee that the W Phoenix might have to move its location. Is their any truth to that?

Also great pics loftlovr!!!

Thanks

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combusean Oct 6, 2006 5:35 PM

How I'd like to give some Scottsdale elitist NIMBY-CAVE's a good thwapping ...

SkySong spurs $100 mil project
Developer touts Los Arcos Crossing makeover

Casey Newton
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 6, 2006 12:00 AM

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SCOTTSDALE - A developer is preparing to spend up to $100 million transforming the strip center adjacent to the high-tech SkySong project, bringing the hope of revitalization to the struggling Los Arcos Crossing.

Phoenix-based PDG America, in partnership with Trillium Residential, wants to bring apartments, shops, restaurants and a remodeled Bashas' supermarket to the 23-acre center southeast of McDowell Road and 74th Street.

The strip center is east of Skysong, the ASU Scottsdale Innovation Center under construction at McDowell and Scottsdale roads.

Rick Sodja, chief executive officer of PDG, showed about 70 residents a proposed site plan for the project this week at the Granite Reef Senior Center.

"The promise of SkySong is spreading," Sodja said. "Once our project comes online, you've got a total of almost $300 million invested in this intersection. And it will spread."

While developers have met with city planning officials dozens of times, Sodja said, PDG has yet to file a formal application to rezone the property. The site would need to be rezoned to allow for residential units.

PDG hopes to build 400 to 450 luxury apartments on the site, with an average rent of about $1,200 a month.

Trillium is considering lofts and live/work units as well as studios and more traditional apartments, a representative said. The apartments will have underground parking.

Some residents said they would prefer condominiums on the site, arguing that rental properties would not bring the same feeling of community to the project.

Neighbors' reactions

Cathie Brown worried rentals would bring in "undesirable people," even if the apartments are luxury units.

"You can have crap for tenants that can afford higher-end (apartments)," Brown said.
"I don't want to live by Paris Hilton, and she's really high-end."

The property is still in escrow, Sodja said. Once the purchase is complete and PDG files its application, the zoning process will likely take about six months.

Residents were enthusiastic about the prospects for new restaurants on the site. Sodja said his company is in talks with Chili's, among other restaurants.

Would include a park

Plans also call for a 1-acre park.

Residents at Wednesday's meeting were largely enthusiastic about the project, which backers say would remake a struggling shopping center into a glittering urban playground.

"It's better than what's there right now," said Jim Heather, who lives nearby. "I think it's a good project. They've got to do something."

At the encouragement of city planners, PDG has added several pedestrian connections through the site, said Lynne Lagarde, a project attorney.

The existing Bashas' will be razed and replaced with a gleaming 48,000-square-foot facility, Sodja said. He said the apartments would help support the Bashas', which has struggled at its current location.


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