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If there is something that I have learned on this site, it is that constraints (lot size, air rights, budget, profitability, market demand etc...) are the dominant factors to what can be built in the city. Architects, good or bad, have to adapt themselves to those constraints.
If all buildings north of this tower were landmarked, Extell wouldn't have had to use this trick to maximize views and the architect could have come up with something totally different. The cantilever is essential to sell units at the highest price and I don't see how an architect could come up with a, let say, postmodern design that would'nt look even more out of place than this one. In itself, although I like it, the design of this tower doesn't make any sense. If we keep in mind why we are getting this, good luck to come up with a design fundamentally better. |
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That's not true. It's even explained by the ASL in their support for the cantilever that it's not essential to Extell's development... http://theartstudentsleague.org/Link...g%3D&tabid=396 I also don't by "architectural constraints" as an excuse. You wanna see a location that's hard to build in? How about inside the courtyard of a landmark (see 111 West 57th). New York is covered in sites that have one constrain or another, there is no easy build in the city, unless you are building on a blank canvass like the WTC or Hudson Yards. This tower is just simply too convoluted in design as is. I would much more prefer a box that rose straight up to this tower that doesn't know what it wants to be. Remember the days when Extell built One57? Seems like a lifetime ago. This is something more suited for Jersey City. http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/154387244/original.jpg |
Would it cost more per square foot to build without the cantilever?
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^Probably, anytime you go for a more slender structure, it's going to be less efficient.
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In the case of the Nordstrom tower, The only way to get something better would be for Extell to amend specification given to the architect (i.e to put design before profitability). |
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I don't understand why they couldn't have designed the cantilever to be more of a poetic gesture. It's really not the cantilever per se that's the problem, it's how they executed it. Why not show the movement of the building up and east into the new airspace? Why not make the building look alive, organic and graceful instead of harsh, heavy and bolted together? Make the cantilever intentional and beautiful. Use it as a starting point to create an interesting growing and transforming line instead of this jury-rigged-looking awkward solution. |
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41 East 22nd Street may not be the best example of a cantilever, but it certainly doesn't smack you in the face the way this one does. http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/153820078/original.jpg |
^I would prefer that over the current design.
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Robert Stern's new east side tower will have a cantilever. The difference is have a portion of the tower cantilever, as opposed to having the entire tower offshoot like a separate building. Meanwhile, the forces of concern will gather to discuss the "Central Park Supertowers". (Pitchforks not included) Gary Barnett will be on hand. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/town-ha...ts-10509386859 Town Hall on Central Park Supertowers https://ebmedia.eventbrite.com/s3-bu...809/1/logo.jpg Quote:
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I am not sure why this cantilever plays such significants? The cantilever will get lost in the jungle below. The architect should be focusing on the crown, so when people see pictures of NYC they can say "thats the Nordstrom tower"!
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Here's how I would put it; the architects can't/shouldn't skimp out on either.
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Extell, the Art Students League and Markand Thakar
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^ Hmmm....I still think most will vote to support it because of the money, but there is still dissention in the ranks!
http://aslunite.org/ http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/154445236/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/154445238/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/154445240/original.jpg |
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My friend and fellow forum member Danielson27 made these models and I just took the screenshots of them, sorry for them not being clad!!! One57, 432 Park, Torre Verre, 111 W57, 225 W57, 220 CPS are all there.
From Central Park: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...psbb5c81ba.jpg From the West: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps2ef511c1.jpg From the Empire State Building: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...psd17a597f.jpg From Rockefeller Center: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps8c138b26.jpg From Rockefeller Center: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps8489a165.jpg |
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A little more on that here... http://nypost.com/2014/02/10/its-bea...eauty-on-33rd/ Quote:
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That cantilever really looks tacky and garish from the Central Park view behind 220, IMHO. (It's so obvious that it's jockeying for position. I know that's the name of the game in crowded NYC, but it's just so tacky to be so hulking and brazen about it.) How can a developer look at that and be proud of their impact on NYC? It has no grace, no personality, no joy, no spirit. All about the Benjamins I guess. |
Barnett plays hardball...
http://observer.com/2014/02/extell-g...#axzz2t8FN3irX Extell Gives Art Students League a Deadline: Approve Cantilever by Wednesday or Lose $31.8 M. Deal By Kim Velsey 2/12/14 Quote:
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