Stunning. Other than 175 Park Avenue, this is my favorite proposal out there now. Really hope Wynn gets this, because if the resort in Vegas is any indication, they don't do anything but ultra high end.

It shouldn't be a Casino ... and Gehry shouldn't be allowed to even visit NY let alone design buildings for the city.

Highly doubt they're going to put a casino next to a school, Coney Island or the proposal in Queens is much better suited for a casino which as most people know brings the lower portion of society of debauchery... Also put a giant Ferris 🎡 Wheel in Coney Island

They were reported to have that in an article in the Times a while ago, but who knows.


That’s what they’ve been saying.



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I recall reading that, but they’re not visible in the renderings. I wonder if water features are not viable over the rail lines.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/13/us-new...asino-complex/


Promising renderings, BUT, I do not trust Related Companies...

In HY Phase 1 Related totally did a bait-and-switch on the tower designs.... In the competition for developing HY they fronted with having a proposal with several towers that had different textures and designs (and not just glass facades), but they ended up building a mass of glass constructs that by in large comes off grossly untextured and monolithic.

If they are going to do Phase 2 they have to be beholden contractually to not expand the glass blob they erected in Phase 1.

HELL YEAH!!! This is a done deal for me.. Always thought it was the best location for the NYC casino.. and these plans are AWESOME!

30 Hudson could not be the main focal point of the Hudson Yards.. way too blah and short. The one thing I'd like to see is the Wynn Tower another 200 feet taller!

I know.. I know.. I'm getting supertall greedy!! LOL!

Looks great.

Not a bait-and-switch at all. You may not remember what the original planned towers looked like, but what we actually got is far superior, trust me. Of course, these designs will be refined more, that’s to be expected. We watched that play out in the last phase, really in most proposals.

Related had already had a few alterarions to the designated site plans.

My one beef is that they look a little shorter than expected. At that angle you'd expect a near 1,400 footer to tower over 30HY.

While they may not be signature towers height wise, they are tall and gorgeous.

There have been a lot of changes over time. But this is the rendering of the site plan that Related won with. (They actually are the runner up, but that’s another story).


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But after some changes were approved, they were moving forward with this version…


https://a4.pbase.com/o9/06/102706/1/...iWGZ.ren19.jpg



A change of heart (and design) got us here…


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A design refined further still….


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Some early designs which featured phase 2…


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Closest we ever got to seeing any actual designs is a feature at the Edge…


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+Make them taller :tup:

Who knows who they have now, but these were some of the names mentioned involved with phase 2…


https://www.architecturaldigest.com/...a-hudson-yards

Frank Gehry, Santiago Calatrava, Robert A.M. Stern, and Heatherwick Studio Reported to Work on Phase Two of Hudson Yards


By Tim Nelson
February 22, 2018

I remember very well this selling point because I was looking forward to see what they came up with, and being very disappointed with what they ended up putting up:

https://www.architecturalrecord.com/...ards-discussed

For Kohn Pedersen Fox, Arquitectonica, Robert A.M. Stern, and West 8, which collaborated on the proposal from the Related Companies and Goldman Sachs, the project is all about variety. “What we’re really talking about is trying to make a neighborhood for people to live and work in,” Stern said. “A New York neighborhood which is diverse in its functions, diverse in its architecture, diverse in its typologies, and one that can grow incrementally and change over time as the project goes forward, even after completion.” Hoping to reflect existing Manhattan city blocks more than a singular, super-sized development, the proposal calls for buildings of varying heights, styles, and materials, from bricks and mortar to glass.

"Variety".... not quite.

well, as expected this is most certainly the diva of the casino proposals.

aside from the obvious of getting the yards built out, what i like best is that the casino entrance is so dam classy you can't even tell its a casino. :cool:

I don't think the Related design is at fault. But I think the three added boxy towers, although they have been very successful, detract from the overall site. I don't mind the Spiral but the 50 Hudson and 15 Hudson with the Spiral seem to create a boring wall similar to the downtown office boxes that they built along the waterfront in the 60s/70s.

I think from their point of view, and from mine as well actually, there is a variety. From 35, to 50, to 30, I would say it's a variety. Is there too much blue glass? With the added towers around it, yes. I don't like the massing of 50, but that's another issue.



That's my conclusion of the podium as well.



Unfortunately, the boxy towers are what sell, and part of the reason they are leased out. The City Planning zoning was also specifically aligned for those large floorplate boxes, you would be hard to build anything with floorplates as large in most of Midtown. Even the mall space vacated by Neiman Marcus is now being eaten up by Wells Fargo. It's why Related has more confidence in office over the residential, which hasn't done as well as expected.


https://newsroom.wf.com/English/news...-/default.aspx

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Manhattan CB4 had it's initial presentation from Related, and it went about as well as you would expect. But it doesn't matter, City Planning will approve the change in site plan. It's the state process that will be the heavyweight fight, and multiple meetings will be had with the community boards again.


Anyway, at about the 1 hour 20 min mark, they get into it. The audio is difficult, especially with people screaming over each other. No new renderings, but a bit more information. Some screenshots below so you don't have to listen to the noise...



• Video Link




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2.
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3. Looks like "One Hudson" for the residential building and "40 Hudson" for the office building. These numbers are all over the place.



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4. Comparison with the previously approved site plan.



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7. You can see here the slope of 33rd Street toward the river. The rails are at street level on the western end.


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8. And here's what was described in the draft, bringing 33rd up to grade along it's length, but keeping the original grade at the western end for access.



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9.
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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5ea9b960_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...15934f4e_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e400bbc8_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9d858e57_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1010fb48_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e52e1540_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...7af79be3_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...bfaf9655_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

It's resembles Tower 42 in London:
https://live.staticflickr.com/8699/1...1057948d_b.jpgTower 42, London by Iain McLauchlan, on Flickr

Nice. Hopefully we get more looks at the office tower soon.

Looks like it will have a “fluted” appearance, at least on the lower levels.



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If Related and its partner “Wynn” the license, this project could start rising as soon as the deck is done. Presumably, they’ll be able to finance the casino/hotel and the residential tower fairly easily.

Even if it takes a while to get an office tenant, the office tower seems to occupy a small portion of the site.

Does anyone recall how long it took to build the deck over the east side of the yard?

The deck and the towers were under construction simultaneously. But only the casino will be supported by the deck.


Some past info on the deck...

https://www.hudsonyardsnewyork.com/s...20Platform.pdf


https://www.hudsonyardsnewyork.com/a...g-hudson-yards




Waaay back in the old days...



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A look at early Coach tower construction...


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Early 15 Hudson foundation...


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Thanks.

If Related and its partner prevail, it will be a huge “Wynn” for the city. This has the potential to be a Monaco-caliber casino that will attract international high-rollers who would not be as inclined to visit a casino in Times Square.

That's true as well. The Wynn casino is expected to have 250 extended stay units.



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Meanwhile, the residential and office buildings will be built on the southern end of the site, not located on the platform.



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The last act of the lightning in a bottle that has been Hudson Yards. The trend of building over active rail lines, taking an inactive rail line and repurposing it for use as a park, and taking advantage of untapped air rights remains. That is the lasting legacy of Hudson Yards, the High Line, and the renaissance of the west side more fully.

What will the next big development strategy be in New York? There are mid-century mid-rise developments all over the five boroughs that are now undersized to what the modern day requirements are, lacking in density on the first few to five floors. They are also out of alignment with the street grid and somewhat isolated from the surrounding city. Maybe taking those towers in the park and replacing them with more parks in the tower could work to preserve some green space, while providing additional density and dynamism down at street level.

There are smaller versions of the Hudson Yards in the city that we don't really talk about much because they are nowhere near the scale of this one. Then on the other hand, there is the MASSIVE Sunnyside Yard development that will take decades to build out, and they are nowhere near even beginning movement on that. As far as Manhattan goes, there is still the Con Ed site to be built out. There are rezonings that will consists of multiple developments. The (re)rises of East Midtown is really just beginning. The Penn Station redevelopment district will kick off eventually. The City will constantly evolve and adapt. And it has to if it is to stay healthy.

Thing is, I don't exactly trust the politicians in charge to make the correct decision(s) on these things, especially the biggest picture choices. Some of them even actively oppose virtually all development on the offset by vice of being overly concerned on the environment and having unrealistic expectations about it. Especially with Sunnyside Yards, I mean Amazon HQ2 would have been the perfect anchor to that whole development, but you had so many other social groups dragging that whole deal down, it just frosts me. There's a reasonable distrust and doubt due to bait and switch by a handful of bad actors, but that's no reason to blitz the whole development and extinguish the flames of economic advantages that it would bring.

I actually think that Sunnyside is a perfect spot for when we poach the Giants/Jets back from the Meadowlands so that area can be returned to swamp as God intended.

You and Related can tell yourselves that there is variety in materials..... The rest of us see that all the HY buildings are all glass and hence have no variety.

Lol. I think New Jersey will eventually have to allow at least one casino in northern NJ after the NY casinos open. If one does, it should be right in the meadowlands. Put it at American Dream.

I don’t think your blind, though you act as if you can’t see. Also, I don’t know why you find it SHOCKIN that modern office construction, and even residential would use glass.

The buildings all having glass doesn't mean there's no variety. That's not how it works.

All glass HY makes the complex look like a monolith, irrespective of distinct massings. The original point is that I take what Related says with a grain of salt... Not what building materials should be.

They (Related) fronted variety and what ensued was a monolith in material (glass) which dampens their credibility.

Actually, NYGuy, I am more shocked that considering you expertise and after seeing 175 Park Ave, 520 Fifth Avenue, 9 Dekalb, 111 W 57th St you seem to think that modern construction only revolves around slapping glass facades onto every square inch of a tower (as was pretty much done in HY). I know you think, but it doesn't seem like you thought the knee-jerk response through (or what my original point was).

You're boring me. I'm BORED to death of this conversation. So we'll agree that you can't see what I can see, and remain disgruntled. I don't give a shit either way.

We're already discussing the new renderings that just came out yesterday, and I will devote this time to them.

There's a new website that came out, not much new information given beyond what's in the press release. But there is one image from a different angle which gives you a view of the office tower.

Also there are higher resolution images of the complex (LARGE pics below)

from Wynn New York City



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That office tower is looking more and more like Gehry...



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The wavy base of the office tower looks great. I wonder if this tower has setbacks. What we’ve seen of the top doesn’t seem very thick.

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...S5.Large3b.jpg

Then again, it’s hard to tell.

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...hase2Large.jpg

Where are all the trash cans outside the casino for people to puke in after losing their life savings letting it ride?

come on lucky 7 … dam … SNAKE EYES! :hell::haha:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/17/ea/3f/1...yes-snakes.jpg

Lol. Who pukes in a trash can these days. Have you seen the streets?



I hope the state allows a direct connection to the High Line. I know it was said there would be a future connection of the High Line to Hudson River Park somewhere near the Javits.

But a direct connection from this side of the complex from the High Line would be great. Maybe they could also somehow rework the street level connection to the High Line as well.



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The last time I puked in public (2011:???:) I had the decency to use a trash can, so I guess it's just a personal preference. If it hadn't been there it would have been all over a train platform.

The office tower does have setbacks. This project is incredible.

https://www.wynnnewyorkcity.com/

https://images.ctfassets.net/d6smc2e...&h=640&fm=webp

Looks about 1,200' for the two taller ones and 900' for the smaller.

Well, first a permit would have to be granted to erect the platform and only then could the actual construction begin.

The office tower looks like a Foster. I think I’ve seen a Foster office tower that consists of tube-like structures like this tower will have.

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...XQ.Large6c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5038ff2e_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...152175f9_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4ac0b1d7_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f66cee97_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6d02ed8a_b.jpgHudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Those renderings do look about those heights. But who knows when those renderings were made. Even the graphic we've seen shows a different make up. But what's moving through approvals now is what's below, which is all we have to go on until something changes...


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Looks more Beekman to me. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw it. It could be Foster, Foster designed 50 for Related. So I could see it being Foster as well, though it doesn't look like any of Foster's New York work.


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https://uglymodernbuildings.blogspot...ce-street.html

Focusing more on just the casino, and everything that entails, this is really the only location in Midtown where you could build this type of resort.

It would breath so much new life into the railyards, drawing even more people from all over.



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I would add a simple water feature at both ends on 11th Avenue, along the retail. If you look closely, you can also see how the loading access on 11th Ave is hidden.



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The tube-looking structures remind me of Foster’s condo tower by the UN, and the setbacks look a bit like those on 50 HY except there are a few more.

There’s a Foster office building somewhere overseas with more pronounced blue glass tubes on the exterior than the UN condo has.

https://thumbs.cityrealty.com/assets...6fb3d776c085e2

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...58b0abf3_b.jpg40 Hudson Yards by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4999b33a_b.jpg40 Hudson Yards by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

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