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Love site A, work needs to be done at the Marshall Yard
Would prefer a gaming podium to be built on the current marshalling yard than anywhere else on that site. Rework the northern end of the high line to feed directly into the gaming podium and unlock a whole nother block to build.
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Had a chance to do a little more reading. One thing I like about this proposal is that just like the eastern yards, it will be built in a single phase. But it is massive in scale, basically 3 Empire State Buildings being added to the skyline.
https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...q7qwYj.p3b.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...7aXD0l.d14.jpg I like that the residential tower still straddles the High Line. The programming of the open space will be interesting. The height of the casino podium could go a long way towards making the development feel less "tower in the parkish", and more like a Manhattan street, as long as they activate it properly at the street level. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...xgarQSS.d3.jpg I wouldn't be surprised to hear calls for more affordable housing in the residential building, as a tradeoff for the casino. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...gPVpoxc.d1.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...TSmsrP9.d2.jpg Basic zoning for the western yards... https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...Mj3moFj.d5.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...5Iv2hvA.d6.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...uBWtdSr.d7.jpg Site A (residential) https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...VuliYHN.d8.jpg Site B (office) https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...i4O80H8.d9.jpg Site C (the Casino complex) https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...kfnhBi.d10.jpg It'll take 5 years to build the entire complex. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...tFRKBy.d11.jpg It remains to be seen if Related has retained Gehry and Calatrava. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...4zsjo0.d12.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...gDGEbU.d13.jpg Quote:
That's state land, and is most likely going to be used for more affordable housing, same as site K. It will also likely be put out to bid for a private developer to develop. Related already has the rights to build over the railyards. |
https://bnnbreaking.com/world/us/tra...r-hudson-yards
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This image from Bohbrus gives an overview of the site...
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Regardless of either the "Proposed Scenario" or "Alternative Scenario", the whole Western Yards plus the completed Eastern Yards would look like a completely new city :)
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^ I rank it #1.
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This is what I consider a liability. I would submit a vote of zero confidence that a Wynn complex and tower would look like it belonged in New York and not Baku, Las Vegas or Macao. |
I don’t know about this ranking, supertalls are on the rise in the city, but each would be the tallest under construction in the US outside of New York…
https://www.usbets.com/wynn-resorts-...shape-skyline/ Wynn Resorts Casino Plan Would Reshape New York City Skyline The $12 billion plan would result in three of the seven tallest buildings in the city https://www.usbets.com/wp-content/up...4x615.jpg.webp Jeff Edelstein Feb 22, 2024 Quote:
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Those ranking are all wrong.
The third tallest building would still be 111 West 57th Street. The tallest of these would be number 7 behind 270 Park Avenue. |
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The exact rankings can sometimes be confusing. But an idea of what would be the top towers in the city, including planned and under construction towers, using official height numbers, and assuming Related's towers are at stated heights...
Freedom Tower (1 WTC).......,...1,776 ft 175 Park Avenue............,........1,575 ft Central Park Tower...............,...1,550 ft Steinway Tower.......................1,428 ft One Vanderbilt........................1,401 ft 432 Park Avenue.....................1,398 ft 270 Park Avenue.....................1,389 ft Related Tower B.....................1,366 ft 350 Park Avenue.....................1,350 ft 2 WTC...................................1,270 ft 30 Hudson Yards.....................1,269 ft Empire State Building..............1,250 ft Penn 15.................................1,200 ft 1 Bryant Park.........................1,200 ft Related Tower C.....................1,189 ft Related Tower A.....................1,172 ft Some towers to keep an eye on, as they could challenge the top rankings... Affirmation Tower......................1,663 ft Tower Fifth...............................1,550 ft Roosevelt Hotel site...................? 570 5th....................................? 41 W. 57th...............................? 80 South St..............................? There are also the various towers associated with the Penn Station and Port Authority Bus Terminal developments that could challenge as well. |
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Man I hope they can clear the rezoning hurdles as buildings of this scale would be epic here.
A 1,350+ foot building isn't quite a signature tower as 30HY is nearly 1,300 feet but definitely more than I expected here. Are these heights just the maximum allowable? |
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There is no height limit on site, and the site still isn't really that dense. It's zoned as a superblock, like the other railyard phase, and Manhattan West. The overall FAR still remains around 12. They're amending the layout, which shouldn't really be a problem since there originally wasn't supposed to be two towers in the middle of that phase (it was said because of the tunnel underneath). The affordable housing is still there, as is the school. The only thing changing is the increase in office space, and decrease in the number of condos. The # of affordable housing units will remain the same. The bigger battle is for the casino license itself. |
A reminder of what the current site zoning of the 6.2 msf is…
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Hudson Yards will fail as a project if it doesn't implement a phase 2 that includes housing options that are available to more than just the upscale buyers that phase 1 catered to.
As things are, Hudson Yards is a fairly sterile development without really being a neighborhood in its own right. This is mostly because, by nature of being built over rail yards, it's a fairly isolated area, excepting the people visiting or commuting via the subway. If the developers build just another towering, glorified pleasure palace akin to the grandeur of what the first phase promised, we will just get the same results - a half-empty mall, a closed attraction, and a series of glitzy parks that sit mostly unused. We can and must do better. NYC is a city of people, not consumers. |
I mean you're just incorrect ^.
Hudson Yards has far from failed, it's basically sold out |
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Well, none of that is true. First of all, the railyard development was never meant to be some sort of housing development for affordable apartments. Sure, there are some affordable units that will be available. But to suggest this development is and was an affordable housing development means you just don't know how development works. The Hudson Yards itself was designed as an alternative business district, something that couldn't happen without the 7 line extension. Housing is needed all across the city, and can be built mostly across the city. The pandemic itself had an impact on the mall, but the Neiman Marcus space is was already bought by, and being developed as an extension of the Wells Fargo headquarters, another success by the City and Related. https://newsroom.wf.com/English/news...-/default.aspx In fact, the commercial component of the Hudson Yards has succeeded even Related's expectations, which is why things are shifting away from more residential, which can be built anywhere. As far as Hudson Yards being a neighborhood in it's own right, the area is largely still being developed. You may not like that the mall is upscale, but it was always going to be that. Nobody was going to put up a platform over the railyards to put up minimal developments. As for the casino being an empty attraction, that's just being silly. The casino complex, with it's clubs, restaurants, and theaters is the exact thing that the Hudson Yards needs to draw even more people there who otherwise wouldn't need to be over there. And it will tie in perfectly with the city and state's desire to draw more business to the convention center. New York is a big city. There is a place for everything, but not everything belongs every place. All in all, the Hudson Yards is one of the biggest successes in the City. All you have to do is look at the skyline to see that. Bohbrus https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5563047f_b.jpg Didier Ilsen https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3e276af4_b.jpg gravesVpelli https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3e55b0e3_b.jpg |
Even where we are now, it's impressive how far this development has come from the days of open railyards, parking lots, and warehouses.
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A school next to a casino. You have to be freaking kidding me.
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The three towers proposed here will each be higher than the observation deck at 30 Hudson, for some visual context.
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Beautiful! :cheers::cheers::cheers:
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The podium could maybe use a little work, but at least it's not what I feared it would be looking at other Wynn casinos. Also, I notice the "Wynn" branding at the top. I'm assuming that's what the signage special permit is for. I'm loving the treatment around the High Line though. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...ase2Large2.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...hase2Large.jpg |
Is this a real design or just a concept? It looks amazing.
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Awesome!! The towers look huge there!!!! :cheers::D
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"I still think there's too much open space". Really? I don't think you want fat short boxy towers with less open space. I'm glad they are going tall and less bulky compared with the fairly boxy and swat office towers for phase 1.
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So New York gets 2 casinos;
1. Freedom Plaza, a destination for powerful international elites who want a place to wine and dine. Also, the first real answer the east side has had to the absolute blitz of development the west side has been going through. 2. Wynn NYC @ Hudson Yards, the big glitz and glam sendoff for Hudson Yards and perhaps the trend of development on the west side more permanently. There will be more, but it won't come as quickly and as easily after this. |
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"and perhaps the trend of development on the west side more permanently." Not even close. It's not even the biggest development on the west side anymore. |
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Yeah, it could be possible that the Wynn tower being closer in height to the office tower was international (if they really are following the graphic massing, then maybe they made a typo of the height?). I'm curious how the alternative version would look :) |
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The alternative version is only for the purposes of the environmental impact study. If this isn't approved, they will simply revert to the original plan with phased development. (The two center towers would come at a later time). Another look at the Casino from the 33rd Street entrance. Related is seeking city approval to bring 33rd Street up to Grade with 11th Avenue. The result is that it will be a "dead end" street, terminating in the parking entrance. However, the western end of the original 33rd will be maintained beneath. I like the sleekness and curves in the design. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...Fx9.Large5.jpg |
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Also, plenty of architects/firms have designed towers ontop of a school base/podium. Mind you there were multiple architects working on Phase II over the period of its creation within the KPF masterplan, just because Calatrava and Gehry were working on it at some point in time doesnt necessarily mean they continued to work on it, especially after it went stale. |
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At any rate, it doesn't matter who is designing these towers, as long as they look as gorgeous as they do in the renderings.
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This looks incredible. I hope that Ross/Wynn prevail. I also hope that this project will include Wynn’s signature water features.
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