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Pedestrian May 24, 2018 5:36 PM

I prefer the rounded corner "streamline" look.

pseudolus May 24, 2018 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dimondpark (Post 8198038)
Will this be right next to Parcel F??
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranc...-proposed.html

So there would be three towers all right next to each other, two on rather small parcels? Isn't there a separation of towers ordinance?

SFView May 31, 2018 6:49 PM

^^^Three towers right next to each other? Yep, here it is...
Source: http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2...-revealed.html
http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content...-Rendering.jpg

This should probably get its own thread soon.

The Best Forumer May 31, 2018 9:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFView (Post 8205937)
^^^Three towers right next to each other? Yep, here it is...
Source: http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2...-revealed.html
http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content...-Rendering.jpg

This should probably get its own thread soon.

What is this? Horrible location. Half the residences will see nothing but brick wall.

viewguysf May 31, 2018 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Best Forumer (Post 8206227)
What is this? Horrible location. Half the residences will see nothing but brick wall.

Certainly not a ~brick~ wall. I’m guessing the units will focus upon north (over the park) and south views, including the four prominent corners.

Pedestrian Jun 1, 2018 2:11 AM

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Originally Posted by viewguysf (Post 8206324)
Certainly not a ~brick~ wall. I’m guessing the units will focus upon north (over the park) and south views, including the four prominent corners.

I agree. That's what architects get paid to deal with. With such a narrow building, it's likely they'll put things like the elevator columns on the most viewless side. In other words, possibly put the "core" not in the usual center of the tower but on that side . . . or deal with the issue in some other way so that the units all get a reasonable view.

The Best Forumer Jun 1, 2018 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 8206564)
I agree. That's what architects get paid to deal with. With such a narrow building, it's likely they'll put things like the elevator columns on the most viewless side. In other words, possibly put the "core" not in the usual center of the tower but on that side . . . or deal with the issue in some other way so that the units all get a reasonable view.

Hrm... the design itself isn't bad at all.... we'll see. is this approved?

pseudolus Jun 1, 2018 7:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Best Forumer (Post 8207336)
Hrm... the design itself isn't bad at all.... we'll see. is this approved?

not even a formal planning application yet, just a "preliminary project assessment"

mt_climber13 Nov 14, 2018 11:35 PM

A second Salesforce tower?

https://www.sfgate.com/business/arti...p?t=bb152445c7

Pedestrian Nov 15, 2018 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mt_climber13 (Post 8379774)

Well the best news seems to be that if the developers signed that kind of lease they must have a high degree of confidence the tower will be built and built on schedule, completed in 5 years. Until now, it seems much more tentative than that.

fimiak Nov 15, 2018 7:15 AM

Salesforce isn't just looking into it, they seem to have leased the entirety of the office space before the EIR is even complete. I am pretty sure this will be built starting in 2019. As a requirement parcel 4 (currently the temp terminal across from Park Tower) will be affordable units.

Zapatan Apr 6, 2019 8:33 PM

Well then...

Last major SF Transbay tower, affordable housing at risk of delays

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A Transbay district tower that would fund more than 300 affordable housing units at no cost to the city could be held up for years, a potential victim of San Francisco’s cap on the approval of new office space and the flood of big South of Market projects lining up for permits.

At 806 feet, 546 Howard St. would be the city’s fourth-tallest tower and the last major high-rise in the Transbay district, the former industrial area that now hosts the city’s tallest neighborhood.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...photo-17180260

NYC2ATX Apr 6, 2019 10:43 PM

Really??:dunno: Honestly that's a ridiculous reason to hold up something like this. An office space cap, or any kind of blanket cap in the city really, is just a ridiculous statute to have in place at all. I'm surprised there isn't a movement in favor of rolling that back, even in just the Transbay and Central SoMa areas.

Pedestrian Apr 6, 2019 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC2ATX (Post 8532182)
Really??:dunno: Honestly that's a ridiculous reason to hold up something like this. An office space cap, or any kind of blanket cap in the city really, is just a ridiculous statute to have in place at all. I'm surprised there isn't a movement in favor of rolling that back, even in just the Transbay and Central SoMa areas.

Quite the contrary. San Franciscans voted it in and so far have shown minimal interest in voting it out. It's not a cap on highrises--just on office highrises--the idea being to force development of more housing in the city rather than massive amounts of office space to which workers would have to try to commute into town on already maxed-out bridges and transit.

And so far, the effects have been better than most development fans had hoped. Since each annual allocation--875,000 sq ft--rolls over if not used, the regular recessions and boom/bust development cycles the nation and SF have experienced have largely kept the cap from really hurting. In fact, it arguably has just prevented the sort of overdevelopment other cities have experienced with consequent crashes in office rents and masses of vacant space.

As of last June, there remained about 2 million sq ft available under the cap with another 875,000 added this year. Meanwhile about 1.3 million sq ft of office space has been taken out of the pool through redevelopment as housing or other non-office uses and a proposal has been brought forward to add that, and any future conversion from office to other uses, to the pool.

So with almost 3 million, and potentially over 4 million sq ft available, I doubt this project will be held up by the cap. Yes, there are lots of other projects in various stages of proposal, but as San Franciscans know from seeing even approved projects get repeatedly sold and not actually built, I don't think the 9 million sq ft mentioned in that article is really worth worrying about. And I also think the Planning Dept., if it must, will give a project as prominent as this one a certain priority. Finally, keep in mind that this is a mixed use project. Only 375,000 sq ft of it is office and affected by the cap. So while I respect both Mr. Dineen and Mr. Li, I don't take the likelihood of the cap holding this one up seriously.

gillynova Apr 6, 2019 11:58 PM

I was, and still am, excited for this project to go up

Zapatan Apr 7, 2019 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gillynova (Post 8532231)
I was, and still am, excited for this project to go up

True, delays are annoying but soon enough this and Oceanwide will make a huge impact :cheers:

theskythelimit Apr 7, 2019 1:15 AM

Let’s hope the 1.3 million from office to residential conversion is added to the pot to allow this and other projects to proceed without delay.

fimiak Apr 7, 2019 6:31 PM

There is a big article about 546 Mission / Parcel F in the Chronicle today. They are begging the city for Prop M space in competition with various Central SoMa developments.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...g-13745953.php

Pedestrian Apr 7, 2019 7:00 PM

^^That's the same article that's linked in post 152 and started this sidebar discussion. For some reason they changed the photo though.

1977 Apr 18, 2019 4:06 AM

Couple new renderings showing the salesforce branding and its connection to the park:

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...g?format=2500w

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...g?format=2500w

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...g?format=2500w
Source: www.pcparch.com/parcel-f-slideshow


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