I've heard this a lot. But there's a lot of space between three-piece-suit and someone wearing a low-quality tee, cargo shorts and plastic footwear.

There are tons of ways to look better that don't require a waistcoat. Wear pants or shorts that fit and are made of high-quality material rather than something baggy enough to be draped over any pair of legs that walks through the door at Target. Wear a shirt with a collar, not a bell-shaped tee shirt that may have been a free promotional item. Wear footwear that look better and better with age instead of immediately worse, and worse after that.

When people wear clothes suited for the beach or the gym or for doing yardwork, it sends the message that where you are going is more important to you than where you are. And just like when someone is free to go to a steak place and order the cut extra well-done, with a side of ketchup, I am free to believe that it says something fundamental about them.

^ Agree.

Just because we are allowed to technically look like a slob in public doesn't mean that we should. There is a certain respect for the people around you that our society has lost.

And it's really not even hard to not look bad in public. You just have to care ever so slightly.

Does anyone know what's the best way or source Chicago property sales records? Thanks in advance

Your question isn't clear, but sales records are pretty much ubiquitous just from Google alone.

Redfin, Zillow, etc and other websites often will post sales histories for most properties and it's available to anyone.

But if you still aren't finding it, you can look it up by going onto the Cook County Recorder of Deeds website, at least for Cook Co. You need the property's PIN number but can pretty much get everything you need: historic sales data, mortgages, liens, etc

https://www.chicagocityscape.com/

Pretty much all the data you'd ever need about property/development in Chicago.

Yea, you don't have to wear a 3 piece suit and top hat in public, but you can easily look stylish with some slacks, nice shoes, and a collared shit. It doesn't have to be expensive if you know what to look for, and get something that fits your body shape.

If you walk around any city in Europe you would never see an adult in flip flops and cargo shorts today. In Europe, people still like to dress well in public just for their own pride, it's not 3 piece suits today, but usually people dress well. When you see people on a weekend evening going out they will dress to the nines, and I felt like a hill-billy American visiting cities in Europe haha.

Yea, dressing all day in gym clothes annoys me. First of all unless you are a professional athlete or professional trainer, you don't need special gym clothes, I can work out just fine in any old t-shirt. Second, no one wants to see you walking around in your sweaty gym clothes, once your done working out take a shower on put on some regular clean clothes.

you sure can. and if you want to dress like that, absolutely no one is stopping you.

if it's 70+ degress and sunny and i'm running errands around the neighborhood on a saturday afternoon, i sure as fuck will NOT be joining you on the dress slacks and collared shirt train.

my own personal comfort desires FAR exceed my ability to give a shit about other people's judgments of my wardrobe choices.

america, fuck yeah! :cheers:

I spend a considerable amount of time in Italy because my sister and her family live there and I can fly there cheaply (flight benefits!)

Even what would be considered "low" class there dress nicely. May not be suits, but well fitting jeans and a clean shoes are the pretty base standard. They are also a much slower paced, less stressed out society, which is ironic since we Americans are the ones who dress in sweatpants and hoodies everywhere. The only time I've seen people wearing American-style gym clothes in public there is on teenagers and even then it all LOOKS expensive...

Sure you can, but it's much more comfortable to workout in good quality, well fitting gym clothes. I don't have all the latest under armor stuff and wear my fair share of old tees to the gym, but it does make a difference.

Yea, your free to wear a blue sundress on a saturday afternoon if that's your things too. Why not just wear a loin cloth when it's hot out :haha:

Yea, it is so nice in Italy, their pace of life is really nice! People seem to have time to sit in cafes seemingly all day. But it's not just in Italy, I remember even in Denmark it seemed like people were having endless lunches in cafes there as well.

Didn't the Greeks just wear togas and stuff?

I mean, comfort clothes in public is not entirely an American thing. If you go to India or Pakistan you'll see men wearing Kurta Pajamas. Granted they cover your body and can often look quite nice, but in the end they are still pajamas.

it had nothing to do with courtesy or self respect. it had to do with rigid and repressive cultural/gender norms which thankfully long ago passed by the wayside

Yea, that's true the ancient Greeks and Romans wore togas and sandals. It's just a white sheet wrapped around your body and flip flops lol. Greece and Southern Italy have warm sunny climates, so it was practical. Or the robes people wear in the Arabian peninsula are pretty much like togas I think.

similarly, at certain times of the year chicago also has a warm sunny climate and t-shirt, shorts, and flips are likewise practical.

i think it's a marvelous thing that our society has progressed to the point where everyone is allowed the freedom to dress for their own comfort and style as opposed to everyone being held to some absurdly inappropriate conformist standard that all men have to wear a 3 piece suit and top hat whenever they are outside of their own home (regardless of practicality).

you feel that our society has lost something. my opinion on the matter is 180 degrees opposite.

Based on the smell coming off the feet of the man next to me on the Metra last week, maybe not everyone should be wearing flip-flops.

^ bad hygiene is bad hygiene.

i've been on el cars with homeless people wearing wht appeared to be 14 layers of clothing who smelled like an open sewer.

people love to talk about the loop/downtown as the "economic engine" of the city as means of hand waving over neighborhood disinvestment, it's just trickle down garbage

well NOT having those jobs in the city center sure is not going help those neighborhoods

It hasn't regressed in the least considering everyone is free to wear whatever they want whether it be suit or Hawaiian shirt...

Lol gentrification is the trickle buddy boy, all sorts of previously depressed areas with massive levels of segregation are being uplifted and the segregation is being busted.

But we already know you don't want that, you need segregation and concentrated poverty to keep your preferred candidates in power...