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Oh that's delicious
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You can see the changes here. More exposed ramp, and no residential.
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Oh wow. That design is phenomenal.
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I know its far off but I hope whoever develops the office towers retain Foster so it can be a seamless vision
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I was thinking the same thing. That atrium is glorius. Normally I wouldn’t be for closing a street - in this case 41st Street - for a project. But in this case, a worthy development. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024...ale&width=1300 https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024...ale&width=1300 https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...Z.IMG_0738.PNG https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...S.IMG_0739.JPG |
I mean, this has to be the best bus terminal in the country after this. Rarely, if ever, do you associate the words "bus terminal" with grand spaces like this.
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It already seems in the class of a Grand Central, or a (original) Penn Station. That's significant, and it should be. We're talking about a terminal that should serve into the next century. We're alive at a time when the airports (JFK, LaGuardia, Newark) and major rail terminals (Penn Station, Grand Central) have been and are seeing major building upgrades that one day down the line will be accepted as standard for New York, the same way we accept the Empire State and Chrysler Buildings. But like those skyscrapers, things have to come into being, and it isn't always easy. We're getting to see all of this take place now, in addition to future skyscrapers (175 Park, and many others) that will come to define New York. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...Z.IMG_0738.PNG https://patch.com/img/cdn20/users/23...9145242669.jpg https://patch.com/new-york/midtown-n...advocates-fear https://patch.com/img/cdn20/users/23...9164627175.jpg |
Considering the PA bus terminal is the armpit of the City this deserves nothing but applause + get two near supertall towers out of this.
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I would be honored to participate in this project
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well the entrance and 41st are quite grand, but i'm really wondering what the outside of it will look like, like around the blocks, especially considering that its so large and that its what we wiil have to see. :shrug:
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As I said, I knew I would regret posting those height figures, which aren't real figures but posted for the purposes of this study. But I'll say it again. Forget about those numbers and designs. Neither is real. What you have is a 3msf zoned tower and a 2 msf tower zoned tower, which translates to likely a 3.5 msf + tower and a 2.5 msf + tower, beginning above a 160 ft terminal structure. But first, speaking of the changes in the planning, the two tower alignment is not unusual, but it does cut into the views of the potential office towers. Having them both offset would have created more views. Of course, looking at Hudson Yards, that doesn't seem to be a problem in terms of getting towers leased. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...BYC9v2G.d5.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...9ZEsGoN.d6.jpg But what you have here is a massing for the purposes of the environmental review. This is actually much closer to what the Port Authority was originally considering for the new terminal (and where plans were for a tower on top of the current terminal). It's not as if this is a design that's being proposed, but necessary for the study to move forward. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...zM54WE.d14.jpg But still, the two towers aligned, as oppesed to offset like the original WTC, would be no different than 30 and 10 Hudson Yards, and 1 and 2 Manhattan West. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...F2SRO7.d11.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...oP1k9I.d12.jpg As we know, Manhattan West was designed at a different time in New York City office space development. The original plan called for a 1,216 ft 2.4 msf tower, and a 1.6 msf 935 ft tower. Quote:
We went from seeing the larger tower increased in size from a lowrise addition, to seeing both towers with comparable sizes of 2 msf. Both towers were gobbled up because new office space is still relatively hard to find in Manhattan, even with a few developers who somehow can't or won't get their projects off the ground. https://a4.pbase.com/g1/06/102706/2/...9.yyVviweW.jpg The new, shiny bus terminal will no doubt be a star in Midtown, especially after the long history of the old terminal. Foundations at least for the new towers would be built in phase two, or the building of the new terminal. We are probably years away from knowing who the developers will be, let alone what a design would look like. But as was said earlier, hopefully the team of Foster and Partners will be around to design towers to finish the vision. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...oy7384.d34.jpg |
https://commercialobserver.com/2024/...-retail-space/
Port Authority Bus Terminal Redevelopment to Add Office and Retail Space $10B Project Could Start This Year, Although Funding Is Uncertain https://commercialobserver.com/wp-co...ality=80&w=755 BY MARK HALLUM FEBRUARY 1, 2024 Quote:
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A little more reading and thoughts on the development of the new bus terminal and towers.
1. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...OAolWr.d35.jpg 2. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...TfRb75.d36.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...AXPE1Z.d37.jpg 3. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...3DcxzP.d38.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...jaY58v.d39.jpg 4. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...oaV5Up.d40.jpg 5. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...LQqh5A.d41.jpg The bus terminal itself will rise to 160 ft+. That's 16 stories in some cases. It will be a massive structure. The skyscrapers above will be set back from the street. 6. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...9tAhZb.d42.jpg 7. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...4MoTki.d43.jpg 8. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...UwlZN6.d44.jpg 9. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...RFaUwy.d45.jpg 10. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...ZmNPv4.d46.jpg 11. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...Z8UITB.d47.jpg 12. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...Wr5S86.d48.jpg 13. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...u8SEPD.d49.jpg Street level retail will go a long way to activating the streets along this massive building, great considering the various residential developments being built around it. A look at the breakdown of the various levels inside the terminal. 14. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...1WLSdu.d50.jpg 15. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...Gq4lKe.d51.jpg 16. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...2FNG5n.d52.jpg 17. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...KW81kb.d53.jpg 18. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...4w9VS0.d54.jpg 19. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...GMUcxO.d55.jpg 20. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...HzqnAr.d56.jpg 21. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...bsS3do.d57.jpg 22. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...1LlqqP.d58.jpg 23. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...8fhltA.d59.jpg I would prefer it if the deck over lot 10 were extended over to 10th Avenue to get the full block park. 24. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...TqwB1n.d60.jpg A look at a couple of conceptual renderings, not the Foster renderings we have seen. 25. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...Dt8jWc.d61.jpg 26. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...HwNBiv.d62.jpg One thing about this terminal, as I mentioned earlier, it will be 160 ft+, more than twice the height of the current terminal. To put that into perspective, it will be higher than the first setback of the McGraw Hill Building, wrapping around from 8th Avenue to 11th Avenue. 27. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...ojsDRm.g24.jpg 28. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...x5JxaE.g21.jpg 29. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...WdVSPy.d63.jpg 30. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...luDcuB.d64.jpg 31. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...162pwK.d65.jpg 32. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...whkxX.d65b.jpg https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...bSZoE.d65c.jpg 33. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...KTktBy.d66.jpg |
Didn't get an answer in the other thread but what exactly is the thinking behind making the "Dyer Deck-Overs" green space versus tapping the air rights for more development? Is this a Port Authority insistence? A "safety/terrorism" thing? The structure for an earth cap park is nearly the same as it would be for a building(s). A midblock "park" across two blocks bookended by relic structures is clunky urban planning to say the least. Anyone know the history if this plan and whether or not it may change?
As far as whether or not the deck could extend all the way to Tenth, I wonder if there are strict regulations regarding access to air for the portals. Though the north tunnel portal is being rendered showing an enclosure, or at least the ramp structure with a facade skin. I assume that structure would probably be porous like the other bus level structures to facilitate air movement and exhaust. But if the eastern portals are being left open to sky for air exhaust and intake requirements one would think the same would apply to the older north tunnel portal at Eleventh. All that being said the previous study plan graphics showed a tower sitting on top of the north tunnel portal... so what gives? PS --- Speaking of the other thread in gen dev, I think some consideration should be taken about merging the threads until the planned towers become actual proposals. Like Penn Revamp/Empire District, all this information is being duplicated between two threads and conversion is being missed. My .02 |
The early 2030s are gonna be like 2020 again. So many large structures expected to be completed around then
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Firstly, the towers in current forms are proposals. The terminal itself is a mega development, with many moving parts. As far as the decking over goes, the Port Authority has it’s own particular sets of rules and guidelines about what it can and what it will not do. There is also what was agreed to in the many community meetings over the years. Frankly I think they should build over all of the tunnel right of ways. It’s very difficult walking around that area. The Port Authority owns a wide swath of land on the west side. I know they have been refocused to deal primarily with transit and shipping issues. But stitching up the west side would be great. And a big tradeoff for building this massive structure through the community. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...89GBzs.d31.jpg |
Big improvement.
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The art deco influence is incredible.
This thing looks like a hudson... or, perhaps, an old fashioned bus: https://i.ibb.co/XL4Lc6s/52061367899-15e71d4f86-b.jpg |
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