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Huh? When did this become a sports thread? :yuck:
Anyway there are way to many moving parts to the NFL and its 3 way race to LA. I say it's still to early to predict how it all plays out for San Diego. How many teams will end up in LA? 2? 3? Which ones? Will San Diego continue to work on a new stadium? Will it pass in a vote? Will another team like Oakland or St. Louis (or even Jacksonville) end up here? What's it going to be like for the teams moving to LA playing there in one of their "slum" stadiums while they wait 5 or 6 (could be more) years for a new stadium? What's the fan reaction going to be in LA for the Chargers if they continue to perform how they have here for the last few years? Will the Chargers end up doing a U turn back to San Diego if the reception is cold in LA much like Oakland did many years ago? There are many unanswered questions. I didn't even include the very real fate of what is going to happen with San Diego State after their contract is up or the two SD bowl games or what happens to the Q's massive plot of land. What I do know is my family has owned season Charger tickets for decades now (they keep getting passed down) and I have a ton of family in LA and the OC if I ever want to see a Charger game but honestly they have given San Diego such a terrible product for years I don't really care right now. What the Chargers need to change is owners to be winners, not cities. |
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I don't think we are disagreeing. I'm not saying anyone should be proud of the city. My feeling is this Chargers situation is a complete and utter embarrassment, that it's another indication of the ineptitude of this city's government, not to mention its population, and that this should-be-great city keeps slipping farther from relevance. People can spin this however they like (we didn't cater to the NFL, we're going to pave roads with all the money we didn't spend, etc), but IMO these are largely just rationalizations. |
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Is it not being taxed more or being taxed more but spending it on infrastructure rather than a stadium? |
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It's amusing because coming up with money for things is always going to be supported by some and not wanted by others. For every person that said 'F the chargers, they can leave' there is a person who says 'Who cares about Balboa Park, let it rot'.... If you're talking about schools, for every person who says 'let's pour money into schools' there is another saying 'I don't care or the schools get enough'.. If we're talking about roads, there is one side that says we should maintain and expand...then there is another that says...use public transit or live closer to your job...nobody forced you to move out to the edge. The point is...if San Diego does not want to spend money on the Chargers, that's fine. They leave. But to suggest that because San Diego was successful in getting the Chargers to leave there is all of a sudden an equal pot of money to be spent elsewhere is foolish. It does not work like that. |
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That said, there are many taxpayers who want an NFL team in San Diego. They are OK with tax dollars being spent on having a team. Regardless if that goes to a non-profit or a billionaire. Let me put it to you this way.... How do you think the person who can not afford a car and has to walk or take public transportation to work feels about their tax dollars being spent on roads for people who have more money than them? It's the same thing. You might have issues with a billionaire getting your money but someone making minimum wage might have issue with their money going to someone in the middle class for things like roads. Someone in the middle class might have issue with their tax money going to things for the upper middle class for things like museums or cultural spending that they would never attend or could not afford to attend. Envy goes a lot farther down the line than just billionaires and the rest of us. |
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Our public government and population is inept on a lot of issues, but this is clearly not one of them. If we were to pass a measure to pay for a stadium (which would never pass in SD, or any large CA city) in light of all of our financial and infrastructural problems, that would be stupidity on San Diego's part. |
Doesn't a stadium count as infrastructure?
at some point the stadium will have to be dealt with. chargers or not #foresight |
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Wow. This is a reach. They are still in the SF, Dallas, NYC and Atlanta metro area. Not the same as moving to another metro. The Chargers are leaving. Odds are Comic Con is as well. San Diego has changed it's trajectory for sure. |
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How about a County Gas Tax? That is one way to raise money just for roads and only have those who use the roads pay for it and pay by use. The more you drive, the more you pay. That's about as fair as it can get. Quote:
FWIW, I think Balboa Park is the crown jewel of the city but I have taken walks in it on a Tuesday night just because due to location. Others in the city maybe go every couple of years..for some event. Quote:
But this reminds me a lot of Charlotte and the NBA. The people in the city simply did not like the first owner. He wanted a new arena and they said no. He took his team to New Orleans. A couple of years later a new ownership group presented and a new arena was built. I think in 10 years San Diego is going to be looking for a NFL team. Doubt they get one but I think this has a lot to do with people simply not liking the owner. Not the economics. Just my opinion. Quote:
As for City Hall, I think a new one would be wonderful but you're going to find many who don't think it's a good investment of their tax dollars to spend on fancy new office space for public workers. San Diego is setting a course that will drastically alter it for the next few generations. I am just not sure people are going to be happy with the result. |
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Maricopa County (Phoenix) created a 20 year, 1/2 cent sales tax dedicated to transportation. The first 20 years raised enough money to build their freeway system, enhance bus service etc. They renewed the tax for another 20 years and this included their light rail system and HOV lanes on all freeways along with new freeway extensions. In 1985 they had only 2 partially built freeways and was the last link in the 10 freeway to be complete by 1990. http://www.discoverphoenixarizona.co...reeways-sm.jpg |
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Obviously the NFL is a boondoggle, SD wised up, and really, we never wanted an NFL franchise anyway. Uh huh... |
SD will surely die a slow death without an unpopular NFL team.
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Take the average number of gallons of gas sold in the County for the last 5 years. Then take say 90% of that to account for hybrid adoption. Then Come up with a number for the county wide road improvements over the next 5 years. From there divide the cost by 5. Take that number and divide it by the average of sales. The result is the amount that each gallon of gas needs to be taxed. Every year run the same formula and set the tax. People who use the roads in the county pay for them. By the way, this is the same logic of those who say people who go to Chargers games should pay for the stadium. |
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