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KevinFromTexas Aug 26, 2013 1:47 AM

I wouldn't really count on East 6th Street between Congress and I-35 being redeveloped. A lot of the oldest buildings in downtown are on East 6th Street. Besides, it's one of Austin's entertainment districts. Developers are probably reluctant to build there because of noise concerns with the bars and nightclubs.

From this article:

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Although East Sixth Street remained a bustling thoroughfare from its inception in the 19th century until the early 1960s, it was its quick decline in the ’60s and ’70s, due to businesses leaving for suburban Austin, that helped solidify the district as the historic entertainment destination it is today. According to the DAA, because the decline happened so quickly, very few of the buildings were renovated to be brought into current architectural styles.

Because East Sixth Street is a national historic district, 65 percent of the buildings that were on the street before 1900 are still in place today.
West 6th Street, however, is slated for more highrise development. The US post office on West 6th is planned for redevelopment that could eventually support a 40-story tower with 800,000 square feet of space. There's also a 13-story office building across the street from that lot now under construction. Many of the lots in that area are affected by capitol view corridors. They limit buildings to a certain height based on how tall they would need to be (or not to be) to block the view of the state capitol dome.

As for development east of I-35, it's a mix of wood framed apartments going up, but mostly they're concrete.

MightyYoda Aug 26, 2013 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_denizen (Post 6244194)
When do you guys think the east-central parts of downtown Austin, say the land on both sides of sixth and east of congress, will be built out with most currently underused land developed? Are there any midrises planned for this area, woodframe stuff or is it mostly being reserved for highrise buildings?

I just think a seemless grid in this area, no major parking lots left, is going to be key to "completing" the cityscape, so to speak.

I think you will see a lot more development on smaller lots due to the parking restriction being removed. Small sites don't have to worry about providing on-site parking if it doesn't make financial sense. On congress though, I think the harsh overlay restrictions are going to continue to kill projects until they are loosened up a little. You have a bunch of historic buildings that either you can't develop, or would have to use the facade so smallish lots plus harsh overlay means it just isn't worth it. Biggest tragedy IMO of this boom has been 416 and 814? Congress. Both designs were amazing and really brought the facades into play of the original historic buildings. Maybe with the removal of on-site parking, there is a slight chance one of these projects could be revived.

AusTex Aug 26, 2013 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 6244385)
I wouldn't really count on East 6th Street between Congress and I-35 being redeveloped. A lot of the oldest buildings in downtown are on East 6th Street. Besides, it's one of Austin's entertainment districts. Developers are probably reluctant to build there because of noise concerns with the bars and nightclubs.

I have been wondering if the Westin Hotel and the 5th & Brazos development are being, (or are required to be) built with extra sound insulation. I have seen in other place where existing entertainment districts have been hurt with new "night time occupied" development. Just a few complaints are enough for the city to over-react to the previously allowed night time serenade. The clubs have been here for decades now. New development should not be allowed to have owners/guests/residents voices over speak the existing night time establishments.

MightyYoda Aug 26, 2013 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kotliz (Post 6244179)
Here's an updated poster. I've not included the Catherine or Green Water 1, Riverview or the various West Campus buildings. There are a few other smaller builds that I've not included on this round either, but still I think this makes for a fairly amazing collection. Feel free to pass on missing stat's like the floor count and height of the Westin and Seaholm towers if they exist.

http://venish.com/austin-skyscraper-...line-Aug13.jpg


If this is supposed to be proposals and under construction for this year, I would take off 5th and Brazos and add ZaZa,the Catherine, and Greenwater. Catherine is around 200 feet tall so it isn't small potatoes and will make an impact on the skyline from certain angles. Zaza and Greennwater are still expected to start in 2013 last I saw them mentioned. 5th and Brazos was listed as mid-late 2014 start date.

dc_denizen Aug 26, 2013 11:51 PM

Interesting responses, thanks all.

NYC_Longhorn Aug 27, 2013 1:43 AM

Hey, we need to add this bohemoth to the poster.... :-)
http://www.statesman.com/news/busine...congres/nZc36/

jtown,man Aug 27, 2013 2:52 AM

Super excited for the Colorado Tower. Most cities need some residential to mix with their offices, we need some offices(maybe not market wise...but for a good mix). Plus, its a damn good looking tower! Of course, could you imagine it at ....1,000 ft :D :D :D

JoninATX Aug 27, 2013 4:30 AM

Still disappointed about the 5th & Congress project. A 5 story renovation project doesn't make up for a possible 50 story tower.

wwmiv Aug 27, 2013 5:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NYC_Longhorn (Post 6245489)
Hey, we need to add this bohemoth to the poster.... :-)
http://www.statesman.com/news/busine...congres/nZc36/

You're kidding, right? 5 stories is not a behemoth.

The ATX Aug 27, 2013 7:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 6245625)
You're kidding, right? 5 stories is not a behemoth.

Yes, he is obviously kidding.

KevinFromTexas Aug 27, 2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NYC_Longhorn (Post 6245489)
Hey, we need to add this bohemoth to the poster.... :-)
http://www.statesman.com/news/busine...congres/nZc36/

Can someone please grab the renderings from behind the pay wall? If you email them to me I'll host them and post them. - [email protected]

lzppjb Aug 27, 2013 11:35 AM

Here's the entire article on another site (no photos): https://www.planning.org/news/daily/...y_id=189319715

LoneStarMike Aug 27, 2013 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 6245713)
Can someone please grab the renderings from behind the pay wall?

I'm not a subscriber, but I just did a google image search for "501 Congress" and "Rendering" and found these two. (I remember seeing the first one earlier.)

http://www.sixthriver.com/wp-content...y2-300x187.jpg


http://www.sixthriver.com/news-and-r...ress-property/


http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/l...dering---3.jpg

http://www.mystatesman.com/photo/bus...congres/pxhPN/

lzppjb Aug 27, 2013 1:46 PM

It looks nice and all, but would look better with a 40-story tower plopped down on top of it. :D

Kotliz Aug 27, 2013 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyYoda (Post 6244923)
If this is supposed to be proposals and under construction for this year, I would take off 5th and Brazos and add ZaZa,the Catherine, and Greenwater. Catherine is around 200 feet tall so it isn't small potatoes and will make an impact on the skyline from certain angles. Zaza and Greennwater are still expected to start in 2013 last I saw them mentioned. 5th and Brazos was listed as mid-late 2014 start date.

Good suggestion. I'll see if I can get those in there. The thing is getting a bit over-sized. Also, can anyone find a more finished-looking rendering of the ZaZa than the water colors?(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/i.../272-zaza3.jpg)

AusTxDevelopment Aug 27, 2013 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 6245713)
Can someone please grab the renderings from behind the pay wall? If you email them to me I'll host them and post them. - [email protected]

Below are the renderings included in the Statesman article. I hate the paywall ( :hell: ) but I am a subscriber so feel free to ping me if you ever need something. [email protected]

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/...psac0cddc3.png

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/...psa48523bd.png

corvairkeith Aug 27, 2013 3:06 PM

That would be a very cool modern looking design if this were 1958.

hookem Aug 27, 2013 3:10 PM

Credit the Statesman for putting quotes around the word "boutique" regarding the 5th and Congress project. It's just the developer putting lipstick on a pig. The project is not of the caliber a location like that deserves.

LoneStarMike Aug 27, 2013 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kotliz (Post 6245837)
Good suggestion. Also, can anyone find a more finished-looking rendering of the ZaZa than the water colors?(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/i.../272-zaza3.jpg)

Better renderings are in this post in the Hotel ZaZa thread.

LoneStarMike Aug 27, 2013 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by corvairkeith (Post 6245859)
That would be a very cool modern looking design if this were 1958.

I think that's on purpose (and the original building was built in 1964.)

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"This building lives in most Austinites' memory as a spacious mid-century inspired bank lobby," said Michael Hsu, principal of Michael Hsu Office of Architecture. "We used that history, and hopefully some of the original parts, as an inspiration for its next chapter. The updated building is designed to the user who wants an authentic downtown experience and a creative and boutique design spirit as opposed to a more standard office building finish out."
To me, it's no different than what they did with the Starr Building

Komeht Aug 27, 2013 5:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_denizen (Post 6244194)
When do you guys think the east-central parts of downtown Austin, say the land on both sides of sixth and east of congress, will be built out with most currently underused land developed? Are there any midrises planned for this area, woodframe stuff or is it mostly being reserved for highrise buildings?

I just think a seemless grid in this area, no major parking lots left, is going to be key to "completing" the cityscape, so to speak.

Oh, about the day after they remove Caritas, Arch and the Salvation Army. That area is prime real estate for development but you can't do anything with it right now. Also the CVC caps combined with the parking requirements made it almost impossible to profitably develop a lot. That could change with the removal of the parking requirements.

Kotliz Aug 27, 2013 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarMike (Post 6245914)
Better renderings are in this post in the Hotel ZaZa thread.

Sweet! Thanks a lot.

KevinFromTexas Aug 27, 2013 6:11 PM

Yeah, that look for 501 Congress is just so very meh. I hope that building gets redeveloped completely some day. Seeing the renderings for the 5th & Brazos tower makes me so wish T. Stacy had stuck with it and developed their tower. That lot should be the location of a 50 or 60-story tower. It is good I guess that it'll be reused. The building is vacant right now, but this is going to set us back for sometime for anything new there.

NYC_Longhorn Aug 28, 2013 1:50 AM

Hellz yeah I was kidding... 5-story bohemeth? I'm the guy that requested the picture of Burj Khalifa on the skyline.... hahaha

It doesn't make sense how they could put a 5 story project here.... it really doesn't make sense... especially since they are spending so much on it... I'm thinking that maybe there is something to the east being planned.... either that, or the developer hates America and freedom and bacon.

NYC_Longhorn Aug 28, 2013 1:53 AM

By the way, I'm starting to think that the Fairmont is going to be much more of a game changer than I previously thought... can you imagine what it will be like approaching downtown Austin from I-35? I hope they keep the spire.

LoneStarMike Aug 28, 2013 3:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NYC_Longhorn (Post 6246681)
It doesn't make sense how they could put a 5 story project here.... it really doesn't make sense... especially since they are spending so much on it... I'm thinking that maybe there is something to the east being planned

There is something being planned to the east - in the next block.

Here's the map of the entire parcel.

http://i1.wp.com/downtownaustinblog....-Cong-plan.png

The image is from Jude's blog at downtownaustinblog.org

Plan To Revitalize 6th & Congress Announced, Underwhelms Everyone
March 19, 2013


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The deal consists of five parcels totaling 2.3 acres at the southeast corner of Congress and Sixth, plus a half-block directly east on Fifth Street between Brazos and San Jacinto Boulevard.

[SNIP]

The half block site on East Fifth Street between Brazos and San Jacinto, which is home to a Bank of America drive through, will be sold for an unknown development.
The "unknown development" is the 5th & Brazos mixed-use tower.

I know that most here will disagree with me, but I think having a 50-60 story tower on the east side of Congress Avenue squeezed in between the Bank of Amercia Tower and Frost Tower in the next block would be overkill. And then across Congress on the west side you have two and three story historic buildings and nothing of height - unless 416 Congress ever were to be built. I'd much rather see the "middle" tower between Bank of America and Frost be set back a block like Magellan is proposing to do with the 5th & Brazos proposal.

GoldenBoot Aug 29, 2013 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndic (Post 6244109)
I think it's worthwhile to talk about. The differences are important and they reflect the different socio-political values, which is something that a lot of people fail to take into consideration when talking about buildings. Buildings help create culture, so what values we instill in our buildings is important. I'm completely against starchitecture not only because I disagree with individualism, but also because I disagree with globalization (as it's currently manifested) and colonialism. I believe that less is more and I wouldn't wear over-the-top clothing or drive an over-the-top automobile, so I don't want over-the-top buildings. It's not blandness, it's refinement and moderation.

"Refinement"...."Moderation"...Sounds a little creepy to me.

Dear Karl Marx: So, according to your theory, each individual human should look the same, weight the same, be of the same height, have the same level of intelligence, be of the same skin color, make the same amount of money...absolutely, positively no separation of any individual being on this, or any other planet?!?

Dude, it sound like you have no creative bone in your body. Individuality (individual creativity) is what has built and enabled the human race to advance to this point in our evolution. If you disagree, please provide me examples of successful sentient (even non-sentient) beings where the entire population is the "same" (i.e., absolutely no difference between one individual and another).

Syndic Aug 30, 2013 2:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot (Post 6249165)
"Refinement"...."Moderation"...Sounds a little creepy to me.

Dear Karl Marx: So, according to your theory, each individual human should look the same, weight the same, be of the same height, have the same level of intelligence, be of the same skin color, make the same amount of money...absolutely, positively no separation of any individual being on this, or any other planet?!?

Dude, it sound like you have no creative bone in your body. Individuality (individual creativity) is what has built and enabled the human race to advance to this point in our evolution. If you disagree, please provide me examples of successful sentient (even non-sentient) beings where the entire population is the "same" (i.e., absolutely no difference between one individual and another).

Creepy? WTF? That's weird.

You're confusing individualism with individuality. They're very different things. I thought people knew this.

NYC_Longhorn Aug 30, 2013 3:04 AM

I like buildings.

NYC_Longhorn Aug 30, 2013 3:06 AM

Geez guys did you see KevinfromTexas has 34,000 posts? We should call him Godfather

The ATX Aug 30, 2013 3:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NYC_Longhorn (Post 6249370)
I like buildings.

I like buildings as well.

ski-man Aug 30, 2013 4:30 AM

I like women!!!

The ATX Aug 30, 2013 4:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ski-man (Post 6249460)
I like women!!!

I've been to Wyoming, and I didn't see very many women. Or anyone else for that matter. :)

TowerSpotter Aug 30, 2013 8:47 AM

Van Zandt Hotel Breaks Ground in Austin

http://www.cpexecutive.com/cities/au...und-in-austin/

http://i.imgur.com/GOsFSSz.jpg

wwmiv Aug 30, 2013 5:40 PM

I don't believe this has been posted here, but BuildATX now has three scoops (5th/Brazos and that awesome Rainey area hotel):

http://buildingatx.com/2013/08/7east...st-7th-street/

Syndic Aug 30, 2013 10:30 PM

I just realized that there's a webcam for 2400 Nueces. Wish I would've known that months ago.

http://oxblue.com/open/EDRTrust/2400Nueces

JoninATX Aug 31, 2013 12:59 PM

There are several tower cranes at the Domain now, I took from yesterday.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3667/9...fd104ce5_b.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5498/9...6c135064_b.jpg

Mopacs Aug 31, 2013 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JoninATX (Post 6250716)
There are several tower cranes at the Domain now, I took from yesterday.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3667/9...fd104ce5_b.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5498/9...6c135064_b.jpg

I was just there myself yesterday and noticed the same thing. I'm familiar with the project going in next to Whole Foods (office/retail building), but not the one along Esperanza Crossing in your second photo (next to Le Cordon Bleu). Anyone know? Address in front of the site says 301 Esperanza Crossing.

AusTxDevelopment Aug 31, 2013 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mopacs (Post 6250735)
I was just there myself yesterday and noticed the same thing. I'm familiar with the project going in next to Whole Foods (office/retail building), but not the one along Esperanza Crossing in your second photo (next to Le Cordon Bleu). Anyone know? Address in front of the site says 301 Esperanza Crossing.

Not sure what it is, but the below maps might help. These came from the marketing flyer for Domain 7 on Endeavor Real Estate's website. Endeavor plans to break ground on 2 office buildings in the Domain this year. The news article about those two buildings is here: http://www.statesman.com/news/busine...in-home/nYg3B/

The marketing flyer with more readable versions of the below maps is here (click on the PDF icon in the upper right): http://www.endeavor-re.com/property/office/domain-7/

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/...ps07b36036.jpg

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1c3577ee.jpg

JoninATX Sep 2, 2013 8:25 PM

Shorenstein JV to Build 2 Office Properties in Austin

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By Gail Kalinoski
July, 10, 2013

Construction has begun on one of two new office buildings at The Domain, a 304-acre mixed-use community in northwest Austin, Texas, being developed in a joint venture between Shorenstein Properties, L.L.C., Deutsche Asset & Wealth Management and Endeavor Real Estate Group.

The cost of developing the two buildings – Domain 2 and Domain 7 – is about $45 million, according to Chad Marsh, managing principal with Endeavor Real Estate Group, a longtime owner and developer at The Domain. Domain 7 is a spec building while Domain 2 already has a long-term tenant signed up, he added.

HomeAway, Inc., a leading online marketplace for vacation rentals, has agreed to lease all the office space – about 114,600 square feet – in Domain 2, a five-story, 139,675-square-foot building, for 11 years, Brian Sharples, HomeAway co-founder and CEO, said in a news release. The 25,000 square feet on the ground floor will be leased to retail tenants. The site also includes structured parking.
http://www.cpexecutive.com/regions/s...ect-in-austin/

So it looks like the new Home Away offices are being built by the new Whole Foods. I will have to find out what there building by Le Cordon Bleu. If I had to take a guess it will be more than likely another multi story apartment building.

JoninATX Sep 2, 2013 9:09 PM

There is now a bunch of rebar columns at the Seaholm site. I will not be surprised to see them erect several tower cranes very soon due to how massive that site is.

wwmiv Sep 2, 2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JoninATX (Post 6252293)
There is now a bunch of rebar columns at the Seaholm site. I will not be surprised to see them erect several tower cranes very soon due to how massive that site is.

Where in the site are the rebar columns?

I don't recall whether or not they're doing everything at, basically, once, or if they're going to do the smaller stuff first and then the tower. Which was it?

zedaref Sep 2, 2013 10:13 PM

The tower crane permit shows only one crane to start. The retail/office component and the underground parking will be built first, then the residential tower with above-ground parking will be constructed.

wwmiv Sep 2, 2013 10:14 PM

So the retail/office is starting now, then. When is the tower scheduled to start?

JoninATX Sep 2, 2013 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 6252338)
Where in the site are the rebar columns?

I don't recall whether or not they're doing everything at, basically, once, or if they're going to do the smaller stuff first and then the tower. Which was it?

The rebar columns are on the Seaholm site right next to the black fence that surrounds it on W. 3rd st. As soon as I have time I'll ask one of the construction workers as to what they plan on doing first. To me it looks like they are ready to start with everything including the tower portion.

JoninATX Sep 2, 2013 10:22 PM

Ok thanks zedaref, I wasn't sure if they were going to go ahead and construct everything at once.

zedaref Sep 2, 2013 11:12 PM

I can't really find a definitive date for the tower. And to clarify, I don't believe the retail/office component will be completed before the tower starts. My understanding from what I'd read previously is that we shouldn't expect the tower to immediately rise once they get completed with the underground garage (part of which is the tower's foundation). Although reading stuff today looking for some dates makes me think I may be wrong on that.

From what I can tell looking through the permits, there isn't a site plan yet for the tower, but there is one for the underground garage/retail/office.

KevinFromTexas Sep 2, 2013 11:38 PM

I still don't have good heights for the Seaholm tower. The most recent number I got was 314 feet to the main roof. It could be 10 to 15 feet taller than that to the mechanical penthouse. Still haven't seen the building elevations, yet.

KevinFromTexas Sep 2, 2013 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by zedaref (Post 6252393)
From what I can tell looking through the permits, there isn't a site plan yet for the tower, but there is one for the underground garage/retail/office.

Gotta link/number for that?

LoneStarMike Sep 3, 2013 7:41 AM

Thanks to Hill Country in the other thread for the new (HUGE) rendering for Waller Center. I resized it to make it a little smaller.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...allercreek.jpg

It's like the Austonian - the mother - got a divorce and the father got custody of the two children and moved to the Rainey Street District.


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