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glowrock May 22, 2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SIGSEGV (Post 9288359)
It was also a shrewd diversionary tactic on her part, I must say.

Perhaps it gives her some time to finally do what she really needs to do and put her goddamned foot down on the Police and Teachers' unions for their shenanigans. More so the police union for their continued acceptance and protection of dirty cops, but the teachers union isn't doing their rank and file and favors, either.

These issues are some of the biggest ones Chicago faces. Along with the ever-present pension crisis, of course. ;)

Aaron (Glowrock)

marothisu May 22, 2021 7:08 PM

I never had a chance to populate the data for foreign born 2019 in Chicago based on the 2019 ACS. Here you go, at least to start with some places. Only including areas that have at least 50 people for the country.

Born in China
1. Bridgeport: 8223 people
2. Armour Square: 6621 people
3. Brighton Park: 3138 people
4. Near West Side: 2555 people
5. McKinley Park: 2471 people
6. Near North Side: 2434 people
7. The Loop: 2355 people
8. Hyde Park: 1386 people
9. Douglas: 1243 people
10. Lakeview: 1175 people

Chinatown + Bridgeport = 14,844 people
4 areas of downtown = 8143 people

Those 2 areas together (which are all adjacent) = 22,987 people

Put into perspective by the way - all of Manhattan south of Houston Street (this includes Chinatown, FiDi, TriBeCa, etc) is around 33,000 people born in China. Flushing in Queens is something like 35K to 40K people born in China (probably more if you extend even further out). If you extend along I-55 then in Chicago its a little over 31,000 people born in China. Of course this area in Chicago is a lot larger physical area wise. Just some perspective though on the population size.

Born in India
1. West Ridge: 3340
2. Near North Side: 2437
3. Near West Side: 2355
4. The Loop: 1452
5. Douglas: 1243
6. Albany Park: 1144
7. Edgewater: 1021
8. Lakeview: 1007
9. O'Hare: 784
10. Near South Side: 729

4 areas that makeup greater downtown = 6973 people born in India.

Born in Philippines
1. Albany Park: 2508
2. Portage Park: 1898
3. West Ridge: 1821
4. Irving Park: 1623
5. Dunning: 1362
6. Lincoln Square: 1049
7. Belmont Cragin: 994
8. North Park: 947
9. Edgewater: 865
10. Uptown: 846

4 areas that makeup downtown = 1397 people

Born in South Korea
1. Near North Side: 612
2. Uptown: 583
3. Albany Park: 580
4. The Loop: 529
5. West Ridge: 528
6. North Park: 517
7. Near West Side: 485
8. Lincoln Park: 434
9. West Town: 418
10. Lincoln Square: 379

4 areas that makeup downtown = 1676 people

Born in Vietnam
1. West Ridge: 2178 people
2. Uptown: 961
3. Albany Park: 737
4. Jefferson Park: 505
5. North Park: 480
6. Edgewater: 390
7. Lincoln Square: 274
8. Forest Glen: 253
9. Irving Park: 207
10. Bridgeport: 181

Born in Pakistan
1. West Ridge: 2992 people
2. Edgewater: 536
3. Uptown: 481
4. North Park: 478
5. Lincoln Park: 206
6. West Town: 201
7. Lakeview: 176
8. Near West Side: 122
9. Bridgeport: 102
10. Chatham: 85

Born in Syria
1. West Ridge: 1587 people
2. Rogers Park: 510
3. O'Hare: 248
4. Lincoln Square: 217
5. Near South Side: 98
6. Ashburn: 68
7. Lincoln Park: 60
8. West Town: 53


Born in Iraq
1. West Ridge: 1986 people
2. North Park: 480
3. Lincoln Square: 193
4. Near North Side: 154
5. Albany Park: 135
6. Rogers Park: 131
7. O'Hare: 113
8. Belmont Cragin: 101
9. Norwood Park: 98
10. Lakeview: 87

Born in Jordan
1. West Ridge: 353 people
2. O'Hare: 299
3. Portage Park: 256
4. Uptown: 171
5. Near North Side: 159
6. Ashburn: 154
7. Austin: 146
8. Near South Side: 131
9. Hegewisch: 129
10. Garfield Ridge: 95


Born in Japan
1. Near North Side: 568 people
2. The Loop: 233
3. Edgewater: 196
4. Uptown: 159
5. Lakeview: 148
6. Irving Park: 128
7. Lincoln Park: 119
8. West Town: 113
9. Hyde Park: 106
10. Kenwood: 91

Born in Thailand
1. West Ridge: 426 people
2. Edgewater: 245
3. Lakeview: 210
4. Near West Side: 205
5. Near North Side: 204
6. Albany Park: 152
7. Lincoln Square: 143
8. Uptown: 137
9. North Park: 104
10. Forest Glen: 96

Born in Saudi Arabia
1. Near West Side: 208 people
2. Near North Side: 162
3. Uptown: 146
4. West Ridge: 127
5. Douglas: 110
6. Lincoln Park: 94
7. Kenwood: 59
8. The Loop: 53

Born in Israel
1. Ashburn: 208 people
2. West Ridge: 199
3T. Lakeview: 152
3T. The Loop: 152
5. Near North Side: 134
6. Lincoln Park: 128
7. Hyde Park: 100
8. Rogers Park: 85
9. North Park: 73
10. West Town: 70

Born in Iran
1. Near North Side: 279 people
2. Edgewater: 244
3. West Ridge: 205
4. Near West Side: 172
5. Lakeview: 126
6. Lincoln Park: 104
7. The Loop: 71
8. Logan Square: 59
9. North Park: 54
10. Rogers Park: 53

Born in Turkey
1. West Ridge: 170 people
2. Douglas: 130
3. Lincoln Square: 99
4. The Loop: 94
5. Hyde Park: 68
6. Logan Square: 55
7. North Park: 54

Born in Malaysia
1. West Ridge: 427 people
2. Lincoln Square: 102
3. Rogers Park: 91
4. Near West Side: 69
5. Lakeview: 62
6. Edgewater: 61

Born in Nepal
1. Edgewater: 536 people
2. West Ridge: 150
3. Lakeview: 120
4. Uptown: 79
5. Rogers Park: 67
6. North Park: 51
7. Bridgeport: 50

Born in Lebanon
1. West Ridge: 194 people
2. Lincoln Square: 130
3. Lower West Side: 83
4. Edgewater: 62
5T. Near North Side: 57
5T. West Town: 57
7. Rogers Park: 51

Born in Cambodia
1. Uptown: 189 people
2. North Park: 143
3. Forest Glen: 115
4. Albany Park: 109
5. Austin: 57

Born in Burma
1. West Ridge: 198
2. Edgewater: 131
3. Bridgeport: 87
4. Lincoln Square: 82
5. Rogers Park: 73
6. West Lawn: 50

Born in Afghanistan
1. West Ridge: 187 people
2. Rogers Park: 126

Born in Kazakhstan
All under 50 people (Near North Side #1 here)

Born in Bangladesh
1. West Ridge: 285 people

Born in Sri Lanka
1. West Ridge: 141 people
2. Edgewater: 140
3. Near West Side: 51

Born in Uzbekistan
1. Near North Side: 115 people
2. O'Hare: 101

Born in Indonesia
All under 50 people (Near North Side #1 here)

Born in Laos
1. New City: 72 people

Born in Singapore
1. Uptown: 163 people
2. Hyde Park: 62
3. Lakeview: 58

Born in Kuwait
1. West Ridge: 138 people
2. Edgewater: 118
3. O'Hare: 65

Born in Yemen
1. North Park: 131 people
2. Irving Park: 95
3. West Ridge: 94
4. Lincoln Square: 66

Born in Armenia
1. Norwood Park: 66
2. Near West Side: 54

the urban politician May 23, 2021 3:41 PM

^ Nice job, dude! Check out West Ridge, Chicago’s little United Nations

marothisu May 23, 2021 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 9289277)
^ Nice job, dude! Check out West Ridge, Chicago’s little United Nations

Thanks. Not that hard to do ultimately, but still fun. The areas in the very north of the city like West Ridge, Rogers Park, Albany Park, etc are very diverse. It's kind of like a mini Queens in a way in some areas. Although I'd say a lot of areas in Chicago are like that - Gage Park, Brighton Park, McKinley Park, Little Village, Portage Park, South Lawndale, Dunning, Chicago Lawn, etc etc.

Here's a few more. Honestly Poland surprises me with the #1 but I might be slightly behind the times on that one...

Born in Mexico
1. South Lawndale: 25,762 people
2. Belmont Cragin: 19,673
3. Brighton Park: 14,435
4. Gage Park: 12,990
5. Chicago Lawn: 10,474
6. West Lawn: 9864
7. New City: 9710
8. Lower West Side: 8639
9. Humboldt Park: 7902
10. Albany Park: 6394

Born in Poland
1. Dunning: 6459 people
2. Portage Park: 4966
3. Norwood Park: 2471
4. Belmont Cragin: 2396
5. Garfield Ridge: 2297
6. O'Hare: 2215
7. Jefferson Park: 2050
8. Avondale: 1064
9. Montclare: 1027
10. Clearing: 875

Born in Ukraine
1. West Town: 1624 people
2. O'Hare: 782
3. Dunning: 643
4. Norwood Park: 430
5. Belmont Cragin: 411
6. Uptown: 386
7. Portage Park: 327
8. West Ridge: 284
9. Montclare: 281
10. Near North Side: 245

Born in Romania
1. West Ridge: 1060 people
2. Portage Park: 866
3. Uptown: 388
4. Albany Park: 344
5. Norwood Park: 326
6. Forest Glen: 266
7T. Irving Park: 262
7T. Rogers Park: 262
9. Jefferson Park: 256
10. Dunning: 246


Born in Russia
1. Lakeview: 646 people
2. Uptown: 504
3. West Ridge: 385
4. Lincoln Park: 296
5. Rogers Park: 290
6. Near North Side: 288
7T. Edgewater: 269
7T. The Loop: 269
9. Near South Side: 238
10. Logan Square: 181

Born in Bosnia and Herzegovina
1. Edgewater: 889 people
2. West Ridge: 789
3. Uptown: 349
4. Albany Park: 304
5. O'Hare: 280
6. Jefferson Park: 217
7. Irving Park: 168
8. Rogers Park: 162
9. Lakeview: 140
10. North Park: 127

Born in Germany
1. Hyde Park: 318 people
2. Armour Square: 247
3. Logan Square: 224
4. Lakeview: 223
5. Norwood Park: 193
6. Ashburn: 189
7. Burnside: 173
8. Near North Side: 159
9. The Loop: 153
10. Archer Heights: 151

Born in France
1. Hyde Park: 324 people
2. Near North Side: 295
3. The Loop: 267
4. Portage Park: 134
5. McKinley Park: 130
6. Albany Park: 113
7. Logan Square: 110
8. West Ridge: 107
9. Bridgeport: 79
10. Armour Square: 70

Born in Greece
1. Near West Side: 399 people
2. Armour Square: 325
3. Chatham: 299
4. Lakeview: 199
5. Rogers Park: 154
6. Kenwood: 149
7. Edgewater: 148
8. Archer Heights: 145
9. Near North Side: 86
10. Hyde Park: 83

Born in Italy
1. Chatham: 564 people (is this for real? Something new or older generation?)
2. Kenwood: 521
3. Lakeview: 382
4. Hyde Park: 268
5. Humboldt Park: 201
6. The Loop: 194
7. Archer Heights: 159
8. Logan Square: 150
9. Norwood Park: 143
10. West Ridge: 136

Born in Bulgaria
1. O'Hare: 257 people
2. Lincoln Square: 179
3. Near North Side: 147
4T. Irving Park: 145
4T. Norwood Park: 145
6. The Loop: 139
7. Uptown: 106
8. Albany Park: 94
9. Near West Side: 83
10. Portage Park: 71


Born in Spain
1. Near North Side: 380 people
2. Near West Side: 136
3. Hyde Park: 112
4. Portage Park: 93
5T. Brighton Park: 51
5T. Jefferson Park: 51

Born in Croatia
1. West Ridge: 261 people
2. The Loop: 172
3. Lakeview: 99
4. Hyde Park: 58

Born in Belarus
1. O'Hare: 143 people
2. Uptown: 123
3. Edgewater: 107
4. North Park: 82
5. Near North Side: 77
6. Lincoln Park: 72
7. West Ridge: 63
8. Rogers Park: 57
9. Lakeview: 55

Born in Ecuador
1. Belmont Cragin: 1966 people
2. Albany Park: 1758
3. Portage Park: 1067
4. Avondale: 884
5. Irving Park: 865
6. Humboldt Park: 808
7. Austin: 650
8. Logan Square: 622
9. Hermosa: 556
10. Uptown: 458

Born in Colombia
1. Belmont Cragin: 468 people
2. Portage Park: 444
3. Lakeview: 323
4. Lincoln Square: 306
5. West Ridge: 276
6. Austin: 224
7. Albany Park: 216
8. Logan Square: 209
9. North Park: 207
10. Lincoln Park: 196

Born in Brazil
1. Near North Side: 339 people
2. The Loop: 316
3. Lakeview: 253
4. Hyde Park: 153
5. West Town: 140
6. Douglas: 134
7. Edgewater: 132
8. Montclare: 102
9. Irving Park: 96
10. Garfield Ridge: 88

Born in Egypt
1. Portage Park: 195 people
2. Norwood Park: 178
3. Lincoln Square: 89
4. Near West Side: 79
5. West Ridge: 74
6. Near North Side: 69
7. Douglas: 64
8T. Irving Park: 54
8T. West Town: 54
10. Dunning: 44

Born in Serbia
1. O'Hare: 503 people
2. Irving Park: 250
3. Albany Park: 206
4. Near North Side: 176
5. Norwood Park: 150
6. Uptown: 123
7. Lakeview: 111
8. Forest Glen: 105
9. Edgewater: 100
10. Jefferson Park: 97

Many more to come

the urban politician May 23, 2021 5:30 PM

^ The diversity of the northwest side hoods seems more fluid and natural.

Whereas the stuff you have going on in these SW side areas like Bridgeport/McKinley Park, etc just seem like a few big groups moved in and staked out their claim, but there really is no mixing.

You’ve got the Mexicans, black folks, some old school ethnic whites, and then Chinatown spillover. The diversity on the north side seems to be more broad and “fluid” in a sense.

marothisu May 23, 2021 5:59 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 9289333)
^ The diversity of the northwest side hoods seems more fluid and natural.

Whereas the stuff you have going on in these SW side areas like Bridgeport/McKinley Park, etc just seem like a few big groups moved in and staked out their claim, but there really is no mixing.

You’ve got the Mexicans, black folks, some old school ethnic whites, and then Chinatown spillover. The diversity on the north side seems to be more broad and “fluid” in a sense.

Well I think that the areas up north like West Ridge are of that type of newer immigration of certain countries, who are in smaller numbers. So ultimately it becomes a lot more mixed. I've seen some other neighborhoods on NW side like Portage Park get a lot more mixed in regards to this lately by the data.

Will be interesting to dive deeper into it. Just like everything else, sometimes there's more to just 1 number. Some neighborhoods might have decreased in terms of foreign born population a little bit, but they might have decreased a lot with 1 or 2 groups, and gained a bunch with like 10 other groups. One could easily argue it's actually more diverse in a case like that even if it had a little drop in overall foreign born population (i.e. more countries represented with sizable populations).

LouisVanDerWright May 24, 2021 2:08 AM

That Yemen number you posted is total bullshit. There's at least a few hundred of them living in the Mayfair part of Albany Park. The entire area between Montrose and Lawrence along Elston is like 50% schwarma and kebab joints and there's as many people wearing the hijab and even the occasion niquab as there are yuppies with Uppababy strollers at the Park by my house every day. I've seen probably 20ish Yemeni kids and parents in one spot at the park before. Maybe there's other nationalities from Arabia mixed in, but the community seems huge and vibrant in this corner of the city.

the urban politician May 24, 2021 3:06 AM

^ May be, but keep in mind that there could be suburbanites who travel to these areas. This is common for ethnic groups that are relatively newer to the scene.

20 years ago, nearly all commerce for Indian retail took place on Devon, but now probably over half of it is out in the burbs.

I have a colleague who is Ukrainian, and he said they used to go to Ukrainian Village a lot while growing up for community related activities, but now they don’t go nearly as often.

marothisu May 24, 2021 11:48 AM

Also keep in mind these are 2019 estimates. You could be right, and the number for mid 2019 could also be right. A lot can change in about 2 years. It's not necessarily uncommon for areas up here to add a few hundred people from a various country in just 1 year even.

moorhosj1 May 24, 2021 7:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 9289333)
^ The diversity of the northwest side hoods seems more fluid and natural.

Whereas the stuff you have going on in these SW side areas like Bridgeport/McKinley Park, etc just seem like a few big groups moved in and staked out their claim, but there really is no mixing.

You’ve got the Mexicans, black folks, some old school ethnic whites, and then Chinatown spillover. The diversity on the north side seems to be more broad and “fluid” in a sense.

This data dump didn't include Central American or Caribbean countries. The data might be a little different with immigrants from Honduras, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Panama, Jamaica, DR, and Haiti included.

TR Devlin May 25, 2021 1:56 AM

There are currently about 1.2 million jobs in Chicago.  Although this is about the same as in the mid-1970s, there’s been a 
huge change in the types of jobs and where they are. This is shown in the following tables:

All city jobs
Mfg Services Other Total
1972 435,000 277,000 598,000 1,310,000
2010 65,000 583,000 363,000 1,011,000
2019 64,000 729,000 411,000 1,214,000

Downtown jobs
Mfg Services Other Total
1972 95,000 130,000 275,000 500,000
2010 6,000 302,000 171,000 479,000
2019 9,000 403,000 208,000 620,000


Comments:

1. The numbers above and many of my comments come from two websites:
• the Illinois Department of Employment Security’s yearly “Where Workers Work” reports, and
• August 9, 2019 article by Ed Zotti titled “Where the jobs are in Chicago: downtown, and that’s a good thing”.

2. Manufacturing jobs in Chicago went from 435,000 in 1972 to 65,000 in 2010; a drop of 370,000. At that point they
bottomed out and have been flat since. This, plus the beginning of the recovery from the great recession, set the stage
for strong job growth over the next nine years.

3. Service jobs have steadily grown from 277,000 (21% of total city jobs) in 1972 to 729,000 (61% of city jobs) in 2019.
Growth in downtown service jobs has been especially strong. The largest categories of service jobs are
• Professional, scientific and technical services (legal, technology, etc.),
• Accommodations and food services (hotels and restaurants), and
• Health care and social assistance.

4. From 2010 to 2019, downtown jobs grew at a rate of 15,643 per year. Over the long term, this pace is not likely to
continue - but it’s easy to imagine a 10,000 per year average. In other words, 300,000 new downtown jobs over the next
30 years. That’s a lot of jobs.

5. There’s a common perception (misperception) that jobs created downtown don’t benefit low-income people and
neighborhoods. People think that most downtown jobs require and “advanced degree”. People (e.g., aldermen) say that
downtown’s booming but the neighborhoods are being left behind.

It’s true that high-paying downtown jobs generally require a college degree. But lots of downtown jobs pay less and
don’t require a college degree. These jobs range from dishwashers, hotel housekeepers and hospital orderlies to
receptionists, accounts payable clerks and junior accountants.

And people with downtown jobs, whether they’re high-paid, low-paid or in between, go home and spend their paychecks
in the neighborhoods where they live. Which supports business and creates more neighborhood jobs. So the best way
to boost impoverished neighborhoods is to help people who live in them get jobs downtown.

The City is moving the Park District headquarters to Brighton Park on the southwest side. As I understand it, this is at
least partly to create jobs in the neighborhood. I don’t know if this is a good decision or not, but how many jobs will be
created? 50? 100? These numbers are insignificant in the overall picture.

As an alternative, what I’d propose is to say that if someone’s unemployed and lives in an impoverished neighborhood
and they get a job downtown, the city will give them a free CTA pass for a year. Pick a couple aldermen who like the idea
and try it as an experiment. Once a month, the person brings his pay stub into the alderman’s office and gets a CTA pass
for the next month.

6. Chicago’s transportation infrastructure is completely inadequate to handle an additional 300,000 people commuting
downtown every day. This should be obvious to anyone who’s on the Kennedy or the Eisenhower during rush hour. Or
takes the Red, Brown or Blue line. But if you need more evidence, click on these links:
article in Forbes dated Feb 11, 2019, which lists the Kennedy and the Eisenhower expressways as the second
and third most congested highways in the country.
CTA’s System-wide Capacity Study, updated in February 2019.
• Sun-Times article dated March 8, 2021, titled “Chicago traffic ranked third worst in the country”.

7. The City needs a long term transportation plan to deal with this. This plan should address:
• How much office space will be needed for 300 thousand new employees over the next 30 years, and where in
the CBD can/should this be built,
• How will all these people get to their jobs and what transit upgrades are needed to accommodate this, and
• How this will be paid for.

Los Angeles plans to spend $80 billion over the next 30 years to upgrade its mass transit system. What they did was draft
a series of plans and then asked the voters to approve tax increases dedicated to funding them. The latest plan was
voted on in November 2016 and approved by 71% of the voters.
Also see LA’s “How to Pass a Mega Transportation Measure”

Last November, the people of Austin Texas voted to raise taxes to pay the city’s share of a $7.1 billion transit plan,
including a subway through downtown.

What Los Angeles and Austin have shown is that people are willing to approve tax increases if they’re dedicated to
paying for specific transportation improvements.

Chicago says it’s a “world class city” but it can’t put together a transit plan that’s half as good as Austin’s. Chicago
struggles to pay for a new Green line station at Damen. This is pathetic.

8. Under the “no little plans” philosophy, what I’d like to see is a 30 year transportation plan to spend $60 billion. I see a
plan as involving the following projects:

Phase 1: Projects that can be completed over the next 10 to 15 years. These are from a very good list that Ardecila
posted a couple months ago.
• Red Line extension to 130th St.
• Congress Branch rebuild.
• Metra railcar replacement.
• CREATE projects. Including the Kinzie flyover.
• Eisenhower rebuild. Central – Mannheim.
• North Lake Shore Drive.

Phase 2: Projects that could be completed in years 5 thru 25.
Two new subways thru the Loop. One, a north-south subway under Canal St that would be built in connection with a
complete rebuild of Union Station. The second, an east-west subway from the United Center to Michigan Ave. I have
more specific ideas re each of these and maybe I’ll put them in another post.

Phase 3: Projects that would not be started until sometime after year 15.

9. Once a plan is approved, the City Department of Planning and Development should be given the task of evaluating and
rating all new development proposals against the plan. This evaluation would encourage large developments near
existing and planned transit lines and discourage or prohibit new office development away from transit. Proposals like
Lincoln Yards should absolutely be prohibited.

All necessary rights-of-way must be preserved to permit build-out over the next 30 years.

10. Paying for this
Assuming the feds pay for half, that leaves $30 billion for the State and City. And I assume the State and City will each pay half of this.

The State’s $15 billion share
Gov Pritzker just announced a $20.7 billion six-year infrastructure plan. He says that this will be paid for with revenue
increases that were approved two years ago (including increases in gas tax and the cost of vehicle registration) plus the
closing of certain tax loopholes. So it seems fair to think that the state can find $15 billion over 30 years for Chicago.

My argument for allocating more of the state’s budget to Chicago is this: Areas of the state that are growing need to
spend more money on infrastructure than areas that aren’t growing. And downtown Chicago is the only large area of the
state that’s growing.

The City’s $15 billion share
For the City’s share, I assume it will need to increase taxes by $500 million per year.

So what the City should do RIGHT NOW is draft a plan that explains how good things will be if voters approve a tax
increase and how bad things will be if they don’t. And then put it on the 2022 ballot. I’d even hire the person who
managed the Measure M ballot initiative in LA.

SIGSEGV May 25, 2021 4:09 AM

^I'd poach whoever is in charge of Montreal's new train service.

marothisu May 25, 2021 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by moorhosj1 (Post 9290111)
This data dump didn't include Central American or Caribbean countries. The data might be a little different with immigrants from Honduras, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Panama, Jamaica, DR, and Haiti included.

Mexico already posted above..

Born in Guatemala
1. Belmont Cragin: 1629 people
2. Albany Park: 1359
3. Irving Park: 1045
4. Logan Square: 861
5. Portage Park: 762
6. Humboldt Park: 734
7. Hermosa: 515
8. West Ridge: 500
9. Edgewater: 354
10. Lincoln Square: 326

Born in Peru
1. Portage Park: 603 people
2. Dunning: 384
3. Near North Side: 298
4. Belmont Cragin: 238
5. Irving Park: 237
6. Jefferson Park: 194
7. Albany Park: 135
8. Near West Side: 90
9. Logan Square: 85
10. Hermosa: 83

Born in Honduras
1. Belmont Cragin: 403 people
2. Albany Park: 301
3. Gage Park: 241
4. Humboldt Park: 235
5. Montclare: 228
6. Portage Park: 195
7. South Lawndale: 156
8. West Town: 146
9. Jefferson Park: 138
10T. Hermosa: 123
10T. New City: 123

Born in El Salvador
1. Belmont Cragin: 563 people
2. Avondale: 554
3. Portage Park: 334
4. West Ridge: 267
5. South Lawndale: 266
6. Logan Square: 185
7. O'Hare: 185
8. Irving Park: 134
9. New City: 106
10. Jefferson Park: 95

Born in Belize
1. Rogers Park: 363 people
2. Auburn Gresham: 232
3. West Ridge: 160
4. Chicago Lawn: 138
5. Albany Park: 89
6. Calumet Heights: 78
7. Bridgeport: 68
8. Humboldt Park: 59
9. West Town: 57
10. Ashburn: 55

Born in Jamaica
1. West Ridge: 233 people
2. Austin: 228
3. Rogers Park: 145
4. Chatham: 136
5. Roseland: 105
6. Auburn Gresham: 99
7. Greater Grand Crossing: 97
8. Washington Heights: 67
9. Ashburn: 66
10T. Morgan Park: 64
10T. West Pullman: 64

Born in Haiti
1. South Shore: 370 people
2. South Chicago: 247
3. Calumet Heights: 153
4. Rogers Park: 146
5. Edgewater: 100
6. West Ridge: 82
7T. Greater Grand Crossing: 61
7T. Logan Square: 61

Born in Dominican Republic
1. Belmont Cragin: 404 people
2. Humboldt Park: 287
3. Austin: 169
4. Hermosa: 90
5. Logan Square: 81
6. Edgewater: 80
7. Avondale: 75
8. Dunning: 65
9. Montclare: 51


Born in Venezuela
1. Near North Side: 154 people
2. O'Hare: 127
3. Rogers park: 95
4. Lincoln Park: 78
5. Avondale: 72
6. Ashburn: 71
7. Lakeview: 64
8. Lincoln Square: 59
9. Portage Park: 58
10. Uptown: 56

Born in Argentina
1. Near North Side: 261 people
2. Lakeview: 149
3. Edgewater: 114
4. Logan Square: 105
5. Lincoln Park: 98
6. North Center: 74
7. West Town: 67
8. Montclare: 61
9. Rogers Park: 60
10. Dunning: 54

Born in Bolivia
1. Uptown: 119 people
2. Near North Side: 118
3. Dunning: 71
4. Irving Park: 68
5. West Ridge: 57


Born in Nicaragua
1. Avondale: 151 people
2. Hermosa: 124
3. Logan Square: 120

Born in Panama
1. Humboldt Park: 91 people
2. Lakeview: 88
3. Austin: 52

Born in Guyana
1. Greater Grand Crossing: 111 people
2. Austin: 90
3. West Pullman: 56

Born in Costa Rica
1. North Park: 56 people
2. Edgewater: 50

Chi-Sky21 May 25, 2021 9:10 PM

Well i know there are a lot of Cubans at 35th and Shields....just not sure elsewhere.... 8)

marothisu May 25, 2021 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Sky21 (Post 9291356)
Well i know there are a lot of Cubans at 35th and Shields....just not sure elsewhere.... 8)

Must be more recent :)

Born in Cuba
1. North Center: 279 people
2. Rogers Park: 199
3. Portage Park: 178
4. Irving Park: 163
5. Ashburn: 160
6. Uptown: 159
7. Edgewater: 156
8. O'Hare: 138
9. Avondale: 137
10. Lincoln Park: 105

Now for others. Again, only showing areas with 50+ representation of the country..

Born in Nigeria
1. Rogers Park: 1704 people
2. West Ridge: 1054
3. Douglas: 539
4. South Chicago: 473
5. Uptown: 458
6. South Shore: 454
7. Edgewater: 305
8. Albany Park: 274
9. Lakeview: 206
10T. Chatham: 188
10T. Near West Side: 188

Born in Ghana
1. Uptown: 985 people
2. Rogers Park: 562
3. Lakeview: 477
4. South Shore: 243
5. Douglas: 221
6. West Ridge: 175
7. Oakland: 172
8. Chatham: 154
9. Edgewater: 142
10. Woodlawn: 131

Born in Ireland
1. Norwood Park: 374 people
2. Lakeview: 261
3. Jefferson Park: 227
4. Dunning: 166
5. Edison Park: 163
6. Lincoln Park: 153
7. Portage Park: 135
8. Forest Glen: 133
9. Lincoln Square: 118
10. Mount Greenwood: 114

Born in Ethiopia
1. Uptown: 941 people
2. Edgewater: 461
3. Rogers Park: 284
4. West Ridge: 232
5. Near North Side: 132
6. Near West Side: 86
7. Lakeview: 76
8. Irving Park: 53


Born in UK
1. Near North Side: 691 people
2. Lakeview: 464
3. Lincoln Park: 382
4. West Town: 364
5. The Loop: 342
6. Hyde Park: 266
7. Near West Side: 251
8. Uptown: 249
9. North Center: 215
10. Rogers Park: 180

Born in Canada
1. Near North Side: 626 people
2. Lincoln Park: 541
3. The Loop: 466
4. Lakeview: 373
5. Near South Side: 311
6. Near West Side: 283
7. West Town: 262
8. Logan Square: 258
9. Hyde Park: 249
10. Uptown: 235

Born in Morocco
1. O'Hare: 269 people
2. North Park: 181
3. Irving Park: 177
4T. Albany Park: 128
4T. Portage Park: 128
6. West Ridge: 106
7. Rogers Park: 95
8. Belmont Cragin: 93


Born in Chile
1. Hyde Park: 112 people
2. Lakeview: 96
3. Near North Side: 84
4. Dunning: 66
5. The Loop: 64
6. Lincoln Square: 60
7. Lower West Side: 59

Born in Somalia
1. West Ridge: 531 people
2. Edgewater: 151

Born in Congo
1. Rogers Park: 260 people
2. O'Hare: 76
3. Douglas: 59

Born in South Africa
1. Lakeview: 80 people
2. West Ridge: 69
3. Near North Side: 50

Born in Eritrea
1. Rogers Park: 204 people
2. Uptown: 147
3. West Ridge: 59

Born in Liberia
1. West Ridge: 173 people
2. Albany Park: 66
3. Chatham: 61
4. Woodlawn: 51

Born in Sudan
1. Albany Park: 97 people
2. Rogers Park: 62
3. West Ridge: 50

Born in Senegal
1. Morgan Park: 123 people
2. West Ridge: 92

Born in Barbados
1. Morgan Park: 70 people
2. Woodlawn: 65

Born in Cameroon
1. West Ridge: 79 people
2. Uptown: 53 people

Born in Kenya
1. West Ridge: 64 people


Born in Portugal
All areas under 50 people each

Born in Bahamas
All areas under 50 people each

Born in Democratic Republic of the Congo
All areas under 50 people each

Born in Grenada
All areas under 50 people each

Born in Uganda
All areas under 50 people each

Born in Uruguay
All areas under 50 people each

Born in Zimbabwe
All areas under 50 people each

Born in West Indies
All areas under 50 people each

Born in Sierra Leone
All areas under 50 people each

OhioGuy May 26, 2021 4:28 PM

Renaming of Lake Shore Drive may hit roadblock
Any two aldermen can move to “defer and publish,” which delays action for one meeting without explanation. The move is likely to start with downtown Ald. Brian Hopkins.
By Fran Spielman May 26, 2021, 10:17am CDT

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Mayor Lori Lightfoot has made it clear she has “concerns” about the name change. She fears changing the name of Chicago’s most iconic and picturesque boulevard — made famous in song and movies — could hurt marketing of the city and be costly and cumbersome for homeowners and businesses.

“If she’s saying that, that’s a negative undertone to me towards Black people. I don’t know where she gets that from. That tells me that a Black person’s name is not marketable,” Moore said.
I'm with Lori on this one and it's bullsh*t from Moore to suggest racial issues underlie pushback against the renaming. I'm not one who is normally sentimental towards roadways, but I feel as if there are three main roads that are "iconic" for Chicago: Michigan Avenue (The Mag Mile), State Street, and Lake Shore Drive. Has there been any polling that indicates the majority of Chicago residents approve of renaming Lake Shore Drive? Assuming the City Council ultimately follows through with this renaming, is it possible to place it on the ballot for next year?

Steely Dan May 26, 2021 4:59 PM

^ doesn't matter.

it'll be like the renaming of the sears tower (who the hell calls it willis?).

"officials" can "officially" rename LSD with any "official" name they want to.

everyone will still just call it Lake Shore Drive anyway.

it's too famous to rename it in practice.

the urban politician May 26, 2021 5:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhioGuy (Post 9292261)
I'm with Lori on this one and it's bullsh*t from Moore to suggest racial issues underlie pushback against the renaming. I'm not one who is normally sentimental towards roadways, but I feel as if there are three main roads that are "iconic" for Chicago: Michigan Avenue (The Mag Mile), State Street, and Lake Shore Drive. Has there been any polling that indicates the majority of Chicago residents approve of renaming Lake Shore Drive? Assuming the City Council ultimately follows through with this renaming, is it possible to place it on the ballot for next year?

^ When you can't fix real problems, just start renaming shit.

SIGSEGV May 26, 2021 7:26 PM

Can't they just call it Dusable Lake Shore Drive or some stupid thing like that?

Steely Dan May 26, 2021 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SIGSEGV (Post 9292519)
Can't they just call it Dusable Lake Shore Drive or some stupid thing like that?

that would be WAY too simple and easy.

are you familiar with the level of monumental dip-shittery that can be found on the city council of chicago? ;)

but as i said earlier, this is all just a stupid distraction. no one is actually going to start calling it "dusable drive".

ChiMIchael May 26, 2021 7:50 PM

Yeah, Moore is being obtuse. While I don't have a big issue with the renaming, using this as some kind of restorative justice is patronizing.

the urban politician May 26, 2021 8:31 PM

^ Here is how a so-called elected leader behaves after the vote on the name change is delayed. From Crains:

Quote:

After today's delay, Moore promised to hold up all council business until the DuSable name change is approved.

“I will do everything to disrupt . . . every item," Moore said.

As the City Clerk then listed off new legislation to be introduced, Moore called out different committee names, dooming more than a dozen new pieces of legislation to the Rules Committee to be re-referred at a later date. Moore has said he faced pushback from the Lightfoot administration on the Lake Shore Drive change.

left of center May 26, 2021 9:25 PM

Wonderful. Lets throw a tantrum whenever we don't get what we want. Children.... :shrug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV (Post 9292519)
Can't they just call it Dusable Lake Shore Drive or some stupid thing like that?

I would be fine with this, but I guess the idiots in city council want LSD completely removed. Asinine. This will hurt the city's branding and marketability. How does this help anyone within city limits? This does nothing to improve QOL on the south or west sides.

Doesn't the city have much bigger problems to tackle? This is simply cheap vote buying. (Well, cheap for the alderman that is. It will cost city residents $2.5 million to replace signage)

Vlajos May 26, 2021 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by left of center (Post 9292691)
Wonderful. Lets throw a tantrum whenever we don't get what we want. Children.... :shrug:



I would be fine with this, but I guess the idiots in city council want LSD completely removed. Asinine. This will hurt the city's branding and marketability. How does this help anyone within city limits? This does nothing to improve QOL on the south or west sides.

Doesn't the city have much bigger problems to tackle? This is simply cheap vote buying. (Well, cheap for the alderman that is. It will cost city residents $2.5 million to replace signage)

Exactly, and we pay 50 of these fools to do this? What a catastrophic waste of tax money.

Handro May 26, 2021 10:50 PM

Interesting to pursue the woke purists by naming LSD after a colonizer like Dusable... oh well, like Steely said it will always be Lake Shore Drive.

marothisu May 26, 2021 11:49 PM

Politicians are the worst sometimes. They'll do anything at times for a vote instead of the right thing. So we really think alderman give a shit that some tower is 465 feet vs. 325 feet? They are just giving into a select few people to get votes next time around.

It's all bullshit. Just imagine where various places would be without politicians pandering to everything.

As for lake shore drive...it'll always be named that no matter what the official name is.

sentinel May 26, 2021 11:54 PM

Such a bullshit move. ALL of it. Glad that Lori is trying hard to stop this.

left of center May 27, 2021 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlajos (Post 9292699)
Exactly, and we pay 50 of these fools to do this? What a catastrophic waste of tax money.

Yup. Absolutely wasteful. As I mentioned in a post in this thread a few weeks ago, LA has 15 alderman (1 per 265,000 people), NYC has 51 (1 per 165,000). Philly has 5 (1 per 300,000). At 50 alderman, Chicago has one alderman per 54,000 people. We can easily halve that number and *still* have much more representation than those cities.


Quote:

Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 9292850)
Such a bullshit move. ALL of it. Glad that Lori is trying hard to stop this.

If she successfully blocks this, I just might vote for her reelection. Or, at the very least, I would not be openly hostile to her getting reelected, lol

OhioGuy May 27, 2021 1:37 AM

There's been constant talk about renaming Columbus Drive. If they're ever going to do it, renaming it DuSable Drive would seem like a good option.

Tom In Chicago May 27, 2021 5:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhioGuy (Post 9292955)
There's been constant talk about renaming Columbus Drive. If they're ever going to do it, renaming it DuSable Drive would seem like a good option.

Oooh. . . that would be a good idea actually. . . kill two birds with one stone. . .

. . .

Chi-Sky21 May 27, 2021 5:19 PM

Rename the Riverwalk after him, Michigan ave bridge already is and that way you could tie it to the new park named after him. Maybe even put some historical plaques on the path about him. And or rename Columbus drive... No point in renaming LSD.

left of center May 27, 2021 7:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhioGuy (Post 9292955)
There's been constant talk about renaming Columbus Drive. If they're ever going to do it, renaming it DuSable Drive would seem like a good option.

This has my vote

LouisVanDerWright May 29, 2021 5:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handro (Post 9292787)
Interesting to pursue the woke purists by naming LSD after a colonizer like Dusable... oh well, like Steely said it will always be Lake Shore Drive.

Lol such a salient point. People will not shut the fuck up about racism and slavery, but how often do we actually talk about what is possibly the deepest, darkest, original sin of this nation? The extermination and assimilation of the native people's.

Honestly I don't go around bragging like I'm some kind of Elizabeth Warren impersonator, but my own family tree typifies the horror of the native holocaust. My furthest back branch of the family tree isn't any of various European immigrant ancestors fleeing genocide at the hands of the British (Irish) or Russians (Polish) or Prussians fleeing oppression of the Austrian empire, it's French fur traders who immigrated to Quebec in the late 1600's and then intermarried with the Native American population as they made their way up the St Lawrence seaway.

Eventually they settled in Fond Du Lac, WI (fun fact, this is French for "bottom of the lake" which is where on the shores of Winnebago it is located) and changed their names from Lajeunesse (French for "the younger") to Jung (German for Young) because the French name was a dead giveaway that you were Indian blood.


Whatever Natives were not outright killed in the plauges brought over from Europe or slaughtered by actual armed conflict, were assimilated and melded into the population in this way. No one talks about it, no one talks about the entire sections of this country that are basically open air prisons for those who refused to assimilate. No one talks about how ALL the people's brought in from overseas are essentially an invasive species that destroyed possibly the last bit of the world truly in a "natural state". No one talks about the complexity of having French, Hatians, other Europeans, etc all melting together into the ancestry of this country.

It's all about visual race (skin color) because that's what's easy for politicians to market themselves on. Just look at Lightfoot's own stupidity about not being interviewed by "whites".

It honestly drives me nuts because I don't identify as "white" or European just because I have an Irish last name. I'm actually 1/8 "Jung" a/k/a Lajeunesse, I'm no more than 1/16th Irish. I don't even look all that "White" if you actually look closely. I have olive skin that turns darker than many of my Hispanic friends in the summer, I have (and now my son does, which is super cute) almond eyes. I actually have a fair amount of "native" features, but because my Mom escaped the redneck life that my grandpa lived and became the first person in her entire family to go to college, none of my complex family origins matter.

It just goes to show the people don't actually care ethnic origins, they just associate education, privledge, and how you speak with "whiteness" which I would argue is a big contributor to the issues we face to begin with. If you are an "articulate black man" like Obama, then you get a pass, but show any signs of educational, economic, or racial diversity and you are fighting an uphill battle.

Again, I am not pulling an Elizabeth Warren here, merely pointing out that the story of this country is far more complex than "black people were slaves". Much of the political jibber jabber is designed to divide Americans, not unify them. Far more relevant to my own privledge and position in life than the fact that my grandpa was a hard drinking, rough and tumble redneck with ancestors going back over 300 years (and thousands if you follow the Indian lines that we have no way of ever tracing) is what my parents did with their lives. It only takes a generation or two to truly move up in American society, but we choose to separate ourselves and deny access to that birthright based on skin color or how people talk. I'm so disgusted and sick of it, the rhetoric lately has not been helping, again instead of uniting our society, everyone, both left and right, wants tribalism. It starts with individual racists and goes right up from stupid local politicians like this alderman who don't actually want to fix anything, but rather get cheap political points by renaming roads, and goes all the way up to the office of the president.

jpIllInoIs Jun 13, 2021 4:55 PM

So Chicago takes a lot of shit for our weather as we know.
but consider that todays high in Phoenix is 118 and it will be in the 100 & teens for the next 10 days. Las Vegas is the same with 110+ for the next ten days. Tell me that is livable.
Meanwhile the entire west and southwest is in an epic drought. Experts no longer consider it an anomaly and are woke that this is the new reality. The hoover dam water level is at 1070' is losing 6ft of depth every month and is 110' (950ft) from where it will no longer produce electricity.
The western drought is of biblical proportions and residents, businesses, farmers, governments will be forced into draconian water reduction mandates and rationing.

Meanwhile Phoenix, Tempe and Vegas are the poster childs for single family home sprawl.

When and how will this end?:shrug: And why would any sane, intelligent company locate there?

SIGSEGV Jun 13, 2021 9:28 PM

Yeah the South or Southwest don't get to shit on us for weather--you can always put on a coat and go outside in the winter, but there's no way to comfortably go outside in the summer there.

left of center Jun 13, 2021 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpIllInoIs (Post 9310343)
So Chicago takes a lot of shit for our weather as we know.
but consider that todays high in Phoenix is 118 and it will be in the 100 & teens for the next 10 days. Las Vegas is the same with 110+ for the next ten days. Tell me that is livable.
Meanwhile the entire west and southwest is in an epic drought. Experts no longer consider it an anomaly and are woke that this is the new reality. The hoover dam water level is at 1070' is losing 6ft of depth every month and is 110' (950ft) from where it will no longer produce electricity.
The western drought is of biblical proportions and residents, businesses, farmers, governments will be forced into draconian water reduction mandates and rationing.

Meanwhile Phoenix, Tempe and Vegas are the poster childs for single family home sprawl.

When and how will this end?:shrug: And why would any sane, intelligent company locate there?

As you said, this is the new reality and it will only get worse from here as the planet continues to heat up. Considering Chicago's mild climate and its location on the shores of 20% of the world's liquid fresh water, I'd say we are looking better and better with every passing year/decade.

pip Jun 14, 2021 2:22 AM

I was riding my bike up the river park/bike trail today, starting at around Argyle and the river going north. Beautiful park and very nice neighborhoods too btw. I got off at Bryn Mawr ave and on that street I was east of Northeastern Illinois Univ and west of the river. That was the most vacant business district street in terms of businesses. It seemed to be mostly vacant Korean businesses. I'm guessing this was once a Korean area after Lawrence declined as one? I did go into a really nice independent, and it is independent certainly, coffee shop. What I don't get is that this area hasn't been Korean in a couple of decades(?) and the neighborhoods are nice all around that street. So why is it so vacant?

LouisVanDerWright Jun 14, 2021 11:53 AM

Yes, the whole section of Chicago from about the Edens to the river between Peterson and Montrose was heavily Korean, they have largely high tailed it for the suburbs as their lot in life improved.you see it all up and down Lawrence and Montrose too.

Handro Jun 14, 2021 1:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpIllInoIs (Post 9310343)
So Chicago takes a lot of shit for our weather as we know.
but consider that todays high in Phoenix is 118 and it will be in the 100 & teens for the next 10 days. Las Vegas is the same with 110+ for the next ten days. Tell me that is livable.
Meanwhile the entire west and southwest is in an epic drought. Experts no longer consider it an anomaly and are woke that this is the new reality. The hoover dam water level is at 1070' is losing 6ft of depth every month and is 110' (950ft) from where it will no longer produce electricity.
The western drought is of biblical proportions and residents, businesses, farmers, governments will be forced into draconian water reduction mandates and rationing.

Meanwhile Phoenix, Tempe and Vegas are the poster childs for single family home sprawl.

When and how will this end?:shrug: And why would any sane, intelligent company locate there?

I’m currently in Seattle and it was chilly yesterday and last night. Last time I was in San Francisco, I needed a hat and gloves for a concert in Golden Gate Park in August. Chicago gets a weird amount of attention for being cold in winter.

the urban politician Jun 14, 2021 1:37 PM

We are having great weather right now, although we are having a pretty bad drought ourselves

ardecila Jun 14, 2021 5:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pip (Post 9310700)
I was riding my bike up the river park/bike trail today, starting at around Argyle and the river going north. Beautiful park and very nice neighborhoods too btw. I got off at Bryn Mawr ave and on that street I was east of Northeastern Illinois Univ and west of the river. That was the most vacant business district street in terms of businesses. It seemed to be mostly vacant Korean businesses. I'm guessing this was once a Korean area after Lawrence declined as one? I did go into a really nice independent, and it is independent certainly, coffee shop. What I don't get is that this area hasn't been Korean in a couple of decades(?) and the neighborhoods are nice all around that street. So why is it so vacant?

It's a bit of a misconception that these businesses survive on local neighborhood customers alone. The most successful urban shopping districts are destinations for people both city-wide and region-wide. What happened is that the Koreans suburbanized and decided it was more convenient to shop out there (just visited the huge new Joong Boo Market in Glenview) and other groups in the neighborhood are accustomed to shopping in other areas, but not on Bryn Mawr.

Also Chicago just structurally has too much commercial zoning on grid streets relative to population, so only certain streets will really thrive and it's sometimes counter-intuitive which ones. Go to plenty of S Side neighborhoods and you'll see well-maintained homes and beautiful side streets but lots of empty lots and vacancy on the main streets.

Should also point out that the flow of immigrants that kept refreshing these areas and bringing new businesses in has really dried up. We are in a very long dip in immigration levels to Chicago... So in lieu of a new immigrant group coming in and colonizing Bryn Mawr, the city and alderman will have to start allowing new, denser buildings on that stretch AND get used to a future with fewer businesses on the street.

the urban politician Jun 14, 2021 5:47 PM

^ I fear the same happening to Devon Ave, which would really be sad because Devon is a recognized name in the South Asian community--all over the US.

However, as of right now there is still a flow of immigrants to West Ridge, although it isn't really the same group that was arriving in the 70's and 80s. Now I suspect it's more Hyderabadi (and perhaps Pakistani?) Muslims, as well as some people from African countries. So the transformation of Devon from Hindu Indian to a more predominantly Islamic corridor that has long been underway continues unabated.

Most of the Hindu (ie "Indian") Indians have moved towards shopping in the suburbs, where there are far more convenient options.

Steely Dan Jun 14, 2021 5:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pip (Post 9310700)
I was riding my bike up the river park/bike trail today, starting at around Argyle and the river going north. Beautiful park and very nice neighborhoods too btw. I got off at Bryn Mawr ave and on that street I was east of Northeastern Illinois Univ and west of the river.

just for clarity's sake, it sounds like you were on the north shore channel trail. the north branch of the chicago river splits off from the north shore channel immediately north of argyle going west (where the little waterfall/rapids dealie is).

the trail that continues north all the way up thru west ridge/lincolnwood/skokie/evanston follows the north shore channel (a manmade canal dug in the early 20th century to help flush out the north branch with lake water).

unfortunately, there isn't a continuous off-street bike trail the hugs the north branch of the river until you get all the way west out to gompers park, west of pulaski, so you gotta use the bike lanes on lawrence or side streets to get through albany park. i guess foster is also an option, but it gets too nebulously 2 lane/4 lane at different point along that stretch for my liking as a cyclist.

but once you're at the trail head in gompers park, you can ride along the north branch off-street all the way up to the chicago botanic garden. i highly recommend that ride if you've never done it.

sentinel Jun 14, 2021 9:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handro (Post 9310882)
I’m currently in Seattle and it was chilly yesterday and last night. Last time I was in San Francisco, I needed a hat and gloves for a concert in Golden Gate Park in August. Chicago gets a weird amount of attention for being cold in winter.

Now ERCOT in Texas is asking customers to 'conserve electricity' because of extreme heat down there..the same agency that wasn't able to meet electrical demand in the winter time.

Given that it appears severe weather events due to climate change fluctuations are seemingly getting worse year after year in the West and South, I think I'm gonna stay right here for the foreseeable future..

pip Jun 15, 2021 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9311158)
It's a bit of a misconception that these businesses survive on local neighborhood customers alone. The most successful urban shopping districts are destinations for people both city-wide and region-wide. What happened is that the Koreans suburbanized and decided it was more convenient to shop out there (just visited the huge new Joong Boo Market in Glenview) and other groups in the neighborhood are accustomed to shopping in other areas, but not on Bryn Mawr.

Also Chicago just structurally has too much commercial zoning on grid streets relative to population, so only certain streets will really thrive and it's sometimes counter-intuitive which ones. Go to plenty of S Side neighborhoods and you'll see well-maintained homes and beautiful side streets but lots of empty lots and vacancy on the main streets.

Should also point out that the flow of immigrants that kept refreshing these areas and bringing new businesses in has really dried up. We are in a very long dip in immigration levels to Chicago... So in lieu of a new immigrant group coming in and colonizing Bryn Mawr, the city and alderman will have to start allowing new, denser buildings on that stretch AND get used to a future with fewer businesses on the street.

The thing is though the Koreans left 20+ years ago and the stores are empty after all this time and this is not a struggling neighborhood. There isn't much retail or anything nearby the neighborhood and I would say the street is 80%-90% vacant. There is not even a bar and maybe only one or two tiny restaurants which were closed. Northeastern Illinois University is nearby too.

So I looked it up and found an article from this year. Northeastern Illinois bought up many of the businesses through eminent domain with the plans of expanding the campus with 300,000 square feet of housing and mixed use on Bryn Mawr but cancelled leaving much of the area with vacant buildings (all the University did was kick everyone out and left the buildings as is but now empty) and thus it spiraled from there. And on top of that landlords can get lower property tax rate if the space is not leased, not just the University. It's hard to get businesses in next to vacant buildings. That is enough for building owners to just leave buildings empty - I'm not sure if the law has been changed but this was recent as of a few years ago and even if the law has changed the damage may have been done already. Reading about this street and vacancy, the residents of the area want something like a bars, restaurants, some retail and mixed use developments. Good luck if the University still owns it - and even on the street were the University doesn't own, its hard to attract investment with vacant stuff nearby.

Bryn Mawr
https://i.ibb.co/d6dTC4W/Bryn-Mawr-Block-Crop.jpg
https://news.wttw.com/sites/default/...?itok=DBJe4AZB

pip Jun 15, 2021 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9311176)
just for clarity's sake, it sounds like you were on the north shore channel trail. the north branch of the chicago river splits off from the north shore channel immediately north of argyle going west (where the little waterfall/rapids dealie is).

the trail that continues north all the way up thru west ridge/lincolnwood/skokie/evanston follows the north shore channel (a manmade canal dug in the early 20th century to help flush out the north branch with lake water).

unfortunately, there isn't a continuous off-street bike trail the hugs the north branch of the river until you get all the way west out to gompers park, west of pulaski, so you gotta use the bike lanes on lawrence or side streets to get through albany park. i guess foster is also an option, but it gets too nebulously 2 lane/4 lane at different point along that stretch for my liking as a cyclist.

but once you're at the trail head in gompers park, you can ride along the north branch off-street all the way up to the chicago botanic garden. i highly recommend that ride if you've never done it.

I think it was around Arglye or a bit north where I picked up the bike trail. Oh I'm exploring more! Thanks for the tip.

sixo1 Jun 16, 2021 1:19 PM

Some positive news regarding Chicago's 2021 ParkScore. After adding equity as a metric, the City now ranks 5th (Washington D.C. is first, St. Paul is second, Minneapolis is third, and Arlington, VA is fourth). In 2020, Chicago ranked 10th.

[Source]

Steely Dan Jun 16, 2021 5:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pip (Post 9311645)
The thing is though the Koreans left 20+ years ago and the stores are empty after all this time and this is not a struggling neighborhood. There isn't much retail or anything nearby the neighborhood and I would say the street is 80%-90% vacant. There is not even a bar and maybe only one or two tiny restaurants which were closed.

yeah, that stretch of bryn mawr is pretty sad with vacant storefronts these days.

but don't sleep on Bryn Mawr Breakfast Club. it's an excellent brunch spot with a great patio in back.

the next time you're up in North Park, check out the retail strip of foster between northeastern and north park university. it's way more occupied than bryn mawr.

ardecila Jun 17, 2021 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pip (Post 9311645)
The thing is though the Koreans left 20+ years ago and the stores are empty after all this time and this is not a struggling neighborhood. There isn't much retail or anything nearby the neighborhood and I would say the street is 80%-90% vacant. There is not even a bar and maybe only one or two tiny restaurants which were closed. Northeastern Illinois University is nearby too.

So I looked it up and found an article from this year. Northeastern Illinois bought up many of the businesses through eminent domain with the plans of expanding the campus with 300,000 square feet of housing and mixed use on Bryn Mawr but cancelled leaving much of the area with vacant buildings (all the University did was kick everyone out and left the buildings as is but now empty) and thus it spiraled from there. And on top of that landlords can get lower property tax rate if the space is not leased, not just the University. It's hard to get businesses in next to vacant buildings. That is enough for building owners to just leave buildings empty - I'm not sure if the law has been changed but this was recent as of a few years ago and even if the law has changed the damage may have been done already. Reading about this street and vacancy, the residents of the area want something like a bars, restaurants, some retail and mixed use developments. Good luck if the University still owns it - and even on the street were the University doesn't own, its hard to attract investment with vacant stuff nearby.

Again, healthy neighborhoods can have struggling commercial strips. Hell, when I was growing up in Barrington our downtown was struggling despite incredible wealth in the community. Retail demand is not bottomless and people in the North Park area are clearly taking their retail dollars to other commercial strips or to the suburbs. Chicago has too much commercial-zoned property for our population, at both the citywide scale and in many neighborhoods.

The property tax break for vacancy is essential. Small-time landlords could go under after losing a tenant, unless their holding costs also go down. It's not some conspiracy to keep property vacant. Northeastern as a public institution pays no tax at all, nor are they required to turn a profit so it's a different story if they are still holding the properties.

Also, legacy buildings are different from new mixed-use buildings. Legacy buildings need cash flow and a vacant space is negative cash flow even with a property tax break. New mixed-use buildings are often planned from the start with the idea that the retail space will sit vacant; the income from the apartments above covers the holding cost for the retail space indefinitely. If a retail tenant comes along, that's just gravy but it's not make-or-break.

Bonsai Tree Jun 19, 2021 1:07 AM

John Kass is leaving the Tribune


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