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Sky88

Sep 16, 2022 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9733098)

yeah if they throw a new msg in the western hudson yards mix i would be all in.

if they want a giant casino, then what else could they add if not a new msg? residential as previously planned? i wouldn’t want to live next to monaco casino if it were even possible, much less an american mega casino.

I don't think we're going to have a mega casino on Hudson Yards. A possible casino may occupy a part of the site. Look at the proposals for a casino made in Chicago. :)

NYguy

Sep 17, 2022 5:22 PM

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/manhattan/po...itical-hurdles

Proposed casino at Hudson Yards would face political hurdles

By Bobby Cuza Manhattan
Sep. 16, 2022

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The proposal to build a casino at the Hudson Yards development on Manhattan’s west side has its advantages.

There’s plenty of room to build it on the currently undeveloped western portion of the site. The developer, chaired by billionaire Stephen Ross, has significant clout.

The hard part could be to win over local elected officials.

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But bidders must win approval from four of the six members of a community advisory committee. That committee will comprise representatives of the mayor, governor and local elected officials.

With Hudson Yards, that would include Assemblyman Richard Gottfried, who said in an interview Friday, “I don’t think a casino belongs in Manhattan.”

Gottfried is retiring at the end of the year, so any decision-making would likely fall to his successor. But others also have concerns.

In particular, they note Related’s prior commitments on the site.

“We were promised years ago when that project first launched a school, affordable housing, open space,” Hoylman said. “So we’re not willing to relinquish any of that.”

A Related spokesman said those elements would still be included in the development, even if the casino goes forward.

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Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine, who would also have a say on the advisory committee, is keeping an open mind.

“I think being located next to Javits is a potential benefit, in that this could support trade shows at Javits,” he said.

Mayor Eric Adams did not weigh in on the Hudson Yards proposal this week, but a spokesman said, “The gaming commission will decide on where these casinos will be located, but we are hoping two of the three downstate casinos will be placed in New York City.”

The Hudson Yards casino would also have to go through the city’s arduous land-use process — another layer of approvals that would test the political influence of Ross, a major donor to Gov. Kathy Hochul and others.

“This needs to be a process that’s not influenced by political considerations,” Levine said. “This needs to be a process in which we weigh a proposal on the merits.”

NYguy

Sep 17, 2022 5:48 PM

It’ll probably be a few months before we see Related’s actual proposal. But I’m guessing the casino would go on the one commercial site, just accross from 35 Hudson.

The state should have put the casino bid on the block just south of the Javits. They’re gonna have to issue an RFP for that site anyway.

https://a4.pbase.com/g12/06/102706/2...5.sc544FfC.jpg

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chris08876

Sep 18, 2022 3:00 PM

Maybe a casino wouldn't be a bad idea for the area. Just in terms of foot traffic and also business for say the mall along with increasing the visible foot traffic in the area. The Vessel has been wildly successful and the extension of the High Line which have helped to turn HY into a vibrant destination. Yes its mostly residential but I think so long as there's an adequate police presence, should keep the area sane if a Casino were to rise. They can still make it work with the residential. Always good for the local economy. If it draws more visitors and folks to the area, local businesses will reap the benefits.

DCReid

Sep 18, 2022 3:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 9733941)

Since Javits is apparently not going anywhere, why not put the casino on top of it?

NYguy

Sep 18, 2022 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DCReid (Post 9734406)

Since Javits is apparently not going anywhere, why not put the casino on top of it?

The state runs the Javits Center. Putting it near the Javits is a good idea. The west side has plenty of available lots to build on, including the railyards, and the block immediately south of the Javits. Any future expansion of the Javits (it recently underwent one) should be for the Javits itself.

But I know Times Square doesn’t need a casino. Neither does Herald Square. Queens will likely get one at Resorts World. It would have been interesting to see something proposed for LIC. Coney Island could use one. If it’s going to be in Manhattan, the west side is the place. It could be designed in whatever gimmicky fashion they like. We’ll eventually see the proposals.

C.	Sep 18, 2022 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 9734419)

That’s…. The perfect spot for a Manhattan casino. Within walking distance of Javits. A Manahattan casino should canabalize Atlantic City traffic from New York and North Jersey. Good grief.

NYguy

Sep 19, 2022 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by C. (Post 9734468)

That’s…. The perfect spot for a Manhattan casino. Within walking distance of Javits. A Manahattan casino should canabalize Atlantic City traffic from New York and North Jersey. Good grief.

Yeah, New Jersey has been resistant to placing a casino in northern Jersey at the expense of Atlantic City. But you can bet that would change with the opening of a Manhattan casino. And you might get it right on the Hudson.

I suspect that a Manhattan bid would gain momentum (and resistance) once the bids are out. I think the Resorts World casino hurts a chance of getting one near Citifield. Mayor Adams will be all in, either way.

The press release……

https://www.related.com/press-releas...ce-partnership

Related Companies and Wynn Resorts Announce Partnership

September 15, 2022

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Related Companies and Wynn Resorts today announced a partnership to pursue a downstate casino license on the Western Yards at Hudson Yards.

The plan for a resort, entertainment and gaming destination along the Hudson River will deliver thousands of permanent and construction jobs and billions in direct and indirect tax revenue to the state and city. The New York State budget passed earlier this year provided for three downstate gaming licenses.

The Western Yards is ideally located directly next to Javits Center – which has recently completed a $1.5 Billion expansion and is one of the busiest convention centers in the United States hosting the world's leading conventions, trade shows and special events. Together with the Javits Center, a world-class resort on the Western Yards would create the country's pre-eminent convention and entertainment district.

Located along the High Line's northernmost portion, Hudson Yards is walking distance to all of the region's major public transportation including the 7-Train line, Penn Station (accessible to the LIRR, A/C/E, 1/2/3 Train lines), Moynihan Train Hall, and the Hudson River Ferry.

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"As New York City emerges from the pandemic, the Western Yards provides the ideal site for a resort that will reinvigorate our tourism economy and provide billions in tax revenues for the city and state," said Jeff T. Blau, CEO of Related Companies. "Combining Related's unparalleled ability to execute complex mixed-use developments with the best-in-class resort and gaming operator is the perfect pair and we're excited to pursue this together."

"Wynn Resorts has a long history of utilizing a compact, upscale casino floor to support the creation of spectacular resort experiences that appeal to an array of guests – travelers and locals alike," said Craig Billings, CEO of Wynn Resorts. "We look forward to engaging with the community, learning and understanding what we can do to help New York City to continue to thrive."

Developed by Related Companies and Oxford Properties Group, Hudson Yards is the center of New York City's rapidly evolving West Side and home to diverse shops and culinary experiences, offices for leaders in industry, public art, acres of open gardens and groves, and dynamic hub to New Yorkers, tourists and visitors to the Javits Center.

Zapatan

Sep 20, 2022 11:59 AM

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A Related spokesman said those elements would still be included in the development, even if the casino goes forward.

That's good, I hope we still get a few very tall skyscrapers out of this, even if a casino happens.

NYguy

Sep 20, 2022 12:36 PM

^ No reason the casino itself couldn't be tall. This will all have a mixed-use component (casino/hotel/resort). My question now is who gets to design it. Gehry was on tap for the commercial component. A Gehry designed casino would be spectacular, no doubt. But who knows.

colemonkee

Sep 20, 2022 1:38 PM

The High Line Casino!!! It names itself!!!

From a design perspective, modern casinos - not counting the more ornate, stately buildings from Europe which are beautiful on the outside - are closer to convention centers in their layout; large, single-floor buildings with high ceilings, very wide column spans (which usually prevent additional floors above, when not supported by tower core + columns), and intentionally blank walls along the perimeter. It's usually the other uses in a casino complex - hotel tower, retail, grand entrances - that give a casino architectural interest from the exterior. This site is large, but not that large when it comes to modern casinos (those built in the last 25 years). If this is where they choose to place it, would expect the casino to take up the eastern 3/5 of the site, with a tower (or two) framing a grand entrance over the curve of the High Line. That would essentially turn it's back to the city - with additional, slightly less grand casino entrances on the east, north, and south - but would be the most creative use of the site constraints for a casino. But you would have mostly blank street walls for the remainder of the east, north, and south faces.

NYguy

Sep 20, 2022 7:59 PM

^ I can see it now. “Come, join our ‘High Liners Club’ at the Wynn Hudson Resort & Casino, the place for the best, exclusive entertainment in the city!”

But I can also see the tower portion of the development at either end. It would still leave floor plates larger than most of the potential competitors. A NY Casino needs to be splashy, something to make a statement on the west side. Related said all of the other planned elements (the school, affordable housing) would still be included, so I don’t see the casino taking up most of the site.

DCReid

Sep 26, 2022 10:42 PM

This video is somewhat critical of HY. It's saying HY phase II has been delayed because the developers are not as incentivized to complete it because it contains a lot of affordable housing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGQytzi_vbQ

mrnyc

Sep 26, 2022 10:48 PM

yeah a western yards grand casino is fine — as long as they add a new msg to the mix.

but really anything to kickstart getting the western yards decked and finished is good news.

NYguy

Sep 27, 2022 11:03 AM

^ No MSG is going there. They’d be lucky to get the casino.

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Originally Posted by DCReid (Post 9742625)

Just another opinion piece. It was delayed because of the delay in platform approval, followed by the economy. The development of the first half if the railyards was delayed as well, again, by the economy. Yet the towers are filled today. Let’s not try to overthink it. And it has relatively litttle affordable housing. As a matter of fact, Related has long said it’s the second half of the development is what drives the whole thing. But we’ve known this because we’ve been following it from the beginning.

NYguy

Oct 3, 2022 7:55 PM

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/ce...-moves-forward

Casino expansion for New York City area moves forward

By Nick Reisman
Oct. 03, 2022

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New York gambling regulators on Monday named officials to a board to oversee siting for casinos in the New York City metropolitan area as the state seeks to expand commercial gaming halls to a lucrative market beyond upstate communities.

The Gaming Commission named former New York City Housing Commissioner Vicki Been, New York Women's Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Quenia Abreau and former Hofstra University President Stuart Rabinowitz.

Officials are expected to issue requests for proposals to win a license for opening and operating up to three casinos in the region. Licenses are not exepcted to be issued until 2023.

https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-casin...d-gets-members

NYC casino process moves ahead as key siting board gets members

By Jon Campbell
Published Oct 3, 2022

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A business leader, a former university president and a former New York City deputy mayor will oversee the bidding process for New York’s three remaining casino licenses, which are expected to be awarded in New York City and the surrounding area.

The state Gaming Commission on Monday unanimously approved the first three members of the Gaming Facility Location Board, a powerful five-member panel that will analyze any proposals for the potentially lucrative casino licenses and choose the three that will ultimately move on for final approval. It remains unclear when the commission will appoint the last two members.

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The three members are:

-Quenia Abreu, president and CEO of the New York Women’s Chamber of Commerce;

-Vicki Been, a New York University law professor, former New York City deputy mayor and commissioner of the New York City Department of Housing Preservation and Development; and

-Stuart Rabinowitz, former president of Hofstra University.

The appointments mark the latest milestone in the process for awarding casino licenses in New York City, each of which will require the winner to pay a licensing fee of at least $500 million. By law, the facility board now has 90 days to begin formally soliciting proposals from casino developers.

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week to approve at least a majority of what will ultimately be a powerful, five-person board, which will be tasked with awarding the state’s final three private casino licenses — all of which are expected to be awarded in New York City and the surrounding area.

In 2013, New York voters approved a constitutional amendment allowing up to seven private casinos statewide — complete with poker, Blackjack and other table games. The first four were limited to areas well north of the city, with a prior iteration of the board selecting proposals that were ultimately built in the Catskills, Schenectady, Seneca County and — after a significant push from local leaders after it was initially shut out — the Southern Tier.

NYguy

Oct 5, 2022 4:14 PM

JMKeynes

Oct 5, 2022 8:45 PM

I hope that the City declines to renew MSG's operating permit and that a new MSG is built on the western portion of the HY. Now is the time to finally fix Penn.

NYguy

Oct 6, 2022 2:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes (Post 9752449)

I hope that the City declines to renew MSG's operating permit and that a new MSG is built on the western portion of the HY. Now is the time to finally fix Penn.

The City wouldn’t be that stupid. You want the Dolans as a partner if you want MSG removed, and a say in what takes its place. Short of eminent domain (good luck convincing a court that an active arena that is busy every night is a blight), you can’t kick them off the site. So, if you say “we’re no longer gonna let you operate an arena on site”, they’ll just say fine, and move across the river out of spite. Politicians are dumb, but not quite that dumb. New Yorkers are what keep that arena filled, and like it or not, they like the Garden right where it’s conveniently located. And those people also vote.

JMKeynes

Oct 6, 2022 3:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 9752769)

There’s zero chance that the Dolans will move to NJ. It’s my understanding that when the operating permit expires, MSG can’t be used for hosting events. A new arena on the western yards would be ideal.

NYguy

Oct 6, 2022 3:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes (Post 9752784)

Because you believe that dorsn’t make it so. I remember some idiot came up with the idea that they should do just that. An arena over the railyards would just be another stadium battle. It’s not as if people are going to rejoice for another structure they say will cut the city off from the river. And that’s without the fact that a removed MSG will open up the site finally for new towers. A moved MSG is not the mahic bullet people somehow think it would be.

Now, as far as the casino proposal goes, Related says that it would be built along with what was already promised for the site, though a casino itself would need approval.

https://therealdeal.com/2022/07/25/d...h-to-move-msg/

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The Hudson Yards developer pitched a design for a new arena, this time built above a casino in the fast-developing Midtown West neighborhood, but MSG directors disliked the idea, Crain’s reported Monday.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/manhattan/po...itical-hurdles

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…Assemblyman Richard Gottfried, who said in an interview Friday, “I don’t think a casino belongs in Manhattan.”

Gottfried is retiring at the end of the year, so any decision-making would likely fall to his successor. But others also have concerns.

In particular, they note Related’s prior commitments on the site.

“We were promised years ago when that project first launched a school, affordable housing, open space,” Hoylman said. “So we’re not willing to relinquish any of that.”

A Related spokesman said those elements would still be included in the development, even if the casino goes forward.

NYguy

Oct 19, 2022 11:08 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/n...quare.amp.html

Times Square May Get One of the Few Spectacles It Lacks: A Casino
The battle to win a New York City casino license has heated up in Manhattan, with real estate and gambling giants offering competing proposals for Times Square and Hudson Yards.

By Dana Rubinstein, Nicole Hong and Michael Paulson
Oct. 19, 2022

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Times Square, New York City’s famed Crossroads of the World, could hardly be considered lacking. It has dozens of Broadway theaters, swarms of tourists, costumed characters and noisy traffic, all jostling for space with office workers who toil in the area.

Now one of the city’s biggest commercial developers is pitching something that Times Square does not have: a glittering Caesars Palace casino at its core.

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The developer, SL Green Realty Corporation, and the gambling giant Caesars Entertainment are actively trying to enlist local restaurants, retailers and construction workers in joining a pro-casino coalition, as the companies aim to secure one of three new casino licenses in the New York City area approved by state legislators earlier this year.

The proposal has enormous implications for Times Square, the symbolical and economic heart of the American theater industry, and a key part of the city’s office-driven economy.

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A casino in Times Square faces substantial obstacles. There is already a competing bid for a casino in nearby Hudson Yards from another pair of real estate and gambling giants, Related Companies and Wynn Resorts.

And with casino bids also taking shape in Queens and Brooklyn, there is no assurance that the New York State Gaming Commission will place a casino in Manhattan, let alone Times Square, one of the world’s more complex logistical and economic regions.

Few things change in Times Square without notice or protest. When the city installed pedestrian plazas in the area more than a decade ago, the move was widely condemned and even lampooned by late-night talk show hosts, before being eventually embraced as an innovative foray in urban design. When the neighborhood’s army of costumed characters gained a reputation for aggressive solicitation, the city restricted them to designated “activity zones,” raising free speech concerns.

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Now critics worry that putting a casino at 1515 Broadway, the SL Green skyscraper near West 44th Street, would alter the character of a neighborhood that can ill afford to backslide toward its seedier past, and further overwhelm an already crowded area.

In a copy of a letter soliciting support for the casino, which was obtained by The New York Times, the companies promised to use a portion of the casino’s gambling revenues to fund safety and sanitation improvements in Times Square, including by deploying surveillance drones.

Yet the idea of a casino has already found an influential opponent: the Broadway League, a trade association representing theater owners and producers. On Tuesday, the league sent an email to its members saying it would not welcome a casino to the neighborhood.

“The addition of a casino will overwhelm the already densely congested area and would jeopardize the entire neighborhood whose existence is dependent on the success of Broadway,” the league said in a statement. “Broadway is the key driver of tourism and risking its stability would be detrimental to the city.”

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For New York, Times Square is an important financial engine — the city relies heavily on tourists to spend money at the neighborhood’s hotels, restaurants, stores and entertainment venues.

Last week, there were 27 shows running on Broadway, seen by 225,731 people and grossing $29 million; in the comparable week in October 2019, before the pandemic, there were 34 shows running that were seen by 286,802 people and grossed $35 million.

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Still, the Actors’ Equity Association, the labor union representing actors and stage managers, is among those supporting the casino bid, suggesting a contentious road ahead for a proposal that will face a lengthy approval process.

“The proposal from the developer for a Times Square casino would be a game changer that boosts security and safety in the Times Square neighborhood with increased security staff, more sanitation equipment and new cameras,” Actors’ Equity said in a statement. “We applaud the developer’s commitment to make the neighborhood safer for arts workers and audience members alike.”

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In their letter seeking support for the casino, SL Green and Caesars said that gambling revenues could be used to more than double the number of “public safety officers” in Times Square and to deploy surveillance drones.

The letter said a new casino would result in more than 50 new artificial intelligence camera systems “strategically placed throughout Times Square, each capable of monitoring 85,000+ people per day.” The safety plans were developed by former New York Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, according to SL Green.

Mr. Bratton did not respond to a request for comment.

“As New Yorkers, it’s incumbent on us to keep making sure Times Square is keeping up with the times, and doesn’t go back to what I’ll call the bad old days of the ’70s or the early ’90s,” said Marc Holliday, the chief executive of SL Green. “And we all remember what that was like, when it comes to crime, and, you know, open drug use.”

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The casino is expected to include a hotel, a wellness center and restaurants, right above the Broadway theater that is home to “The Lion King” musical and a stone’s throw from the site of the ball drop on New Year’s Eve.

Two existing “racinos” — horse racetracks with video slot machines but no human dealers — are considered front-runners for two of the three licenses: Genting Group’s Resorts World New York City in Queens and MGM Resorts International’s Empire City Casino in Yonkers, N.Y.

The competition for the third license features many of the country’s major casino companies. Steven Cohen, the owner of the New York Mets, has been talking with Hard Rock about a casino near the baseball team’s stadium in Queens. Las Vegas Sands has been finalizing plans for its preferred casino location in the area, and Bally’s Corporation has been scouting for a development partner.

The Wynn-Related proposed casino would be on the undeveloped western portion of the Hudson Yards, which was supposed to be completed by 2025 and include residential units and parks. Related, the developer of Hudson Yards, said it plans to fulfill all of its prior housing and public space commitments for the area.

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In a private pitch deck obtained by The Times, Wynn and Related wrote that Hudson Yards, near the Javits Center, was the ideal location to target “diverse upscale” guests for a casino resort complex.

“Because it attracts the upper tier of gaming consumers, Wynn is able to dedicate less than 10 percent of its resort space to gaming, yet still generate significant gaming revenue and tax benefits for municipalities,” reads a slide in the deck.

The deck also features photos of an outdoor man-made waterfall — and of a couple enjoying cocktails while watching a cigarette-holding animatronic frog, apparently from Wynn’s “Lake of Dreams” show.

In their pitch letter, SL Green and Caesars said the casino was a “once in a lifetime opportunity to once again solidify Times Square as the world’s greatest entertainment area.”

UrbanImpact

Oct 20, 2022 4:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 9765956)

he deck also features photos of an outdoor man-made waterfall — and of a couple enjoying cocktails while watching a cigarette-holding animatronic frog, apparently from Wynn’s “Lake of Dreams” show.

Oct. 19, 2022

OMG this is what solidified this most shadey of shadies deal for me!

JMKeynes

Oct 20, 2022 12:21 PM

I think that any casino at the HY will be very high-end. I hope that it gets the green light.

Prezrezreturns

Oct 20, 2022 12:24 PM

Imagine with me if you will a possibly 1000’ high cascade as the centerpiece of the combined resi/entertainment portion of the Yards.

The mind reels…

BuildThemTaller

Oct 20, 2022 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Prezrezreturns (Post 9766345)

Imagine with me if you will a possibly 1000’ high cascade as the centerpiece of the combined resi/entertainment portion of the Yards.

The mind reels…

The mind thinks about a strong breeze blowing such a cascade all over the streets and sidewalks below.

Prezrezreturns

Oct 20, 2022 5:03 PM

Hmmmmhh…Didn’t reckon on that.

Maybe if they added some kind of mitigating structural element.

NYguy

Oct 20, 2022 5:31 PM

Some kind of water or light show should be mandatory. But when it comes to a major casino in Manhattan, really only two places make sense - Times Square, and the Hudson Yards. When you break it down to practicality, then it’s just the Hudson Yards.

The proposal at 1515 Broadway won’t really offer the large floors I think you need. It’s right in the middle of Times Square, which already has overcrowding, and doesn’t need a draw, especially being the heart of the theater district. It would be a nice location for a secondary casino. But even though you will find New Yorkers in Times Square, many NYers try to avoid it completely. So you’re already cutting off some customers. Not that you would have any room to accomodate them in a cramped Times Square casino.

The blank slate of the Hudson Yards, which is like a new Times Square minus the lights, offers room for both larger floors and a distinctive casino destination. You want waterfalls, you got it. I also feel Coney Island, which was really the first of this kind of thing, should get one.

JMKeynes

Oct 20, 2022 7:31 PM

SLG seems to want to shoehorn it into the existing Marriott Marquis. I’d rather it go into a new tower at the HY.

NYguy

Oct 20, 2022 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes (Post 9766990)

SLG seems to want to shoehorn it into the existing Marriott Marquis. I’d rather it go into a new tower at the HY.

Any Times Square casino is going to be in an existing building. Even Vornado’s Herald Square proposal woukd be in an existing building. We need a new casino to open in a space specifically designed for such use, with enough room to do it. The one thing against Related is the time to get it up and running. But they could open something temporarily in the Neiman Marcus space if that’s still available.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...r-neiman-store

Hudson Yards Developer Finds Office Tenants for Neiman Marcus Store

By Natalie Wong and David Westin+Follow
February 4, 2022

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Related Cos., the developer behind the Hudson Yards project, has found potential tenants for the former Manhattan home of Neiman Marcus, which is being converted into offices after the luxury retailer shuttered the store.

NYguy

Dec 5, 2022 6:03 PM

https://therealdeal.com/2022/12/05/g...d-nyc-casinos/

Related and Wynn Resorts, Hudson Yards

BY KATHRYN BRENZEL AND ORION JONES
DEC 5, 2022

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Different visions for the Western Yards have come and gone. The city once sought to build an Olympic stadium over the 10-plus acres of tracks. In September, the Related Companies announced that it hopes to include a casino in the second phase of its megadevelopment.

At the time, Related CEO Jeff Blau called the Western Yards an “ideal site for a resort that will reinvigorate our tourism economy and provide billions in tax revenues for the city and state.” A selling point for city and state officials may be its potential to draw events to — and visitors from — the nearby Javits Center, which just underwent a $1.5 billion expansion.

Related also touted the site’s proximity to Penn Station, the 7 train, Moynihan Train Hall and the West 39th Street ferry stop. It said its proposal would kickstart development of the western yards, which would have a mix of office and residential, a school and outdoor public space.

An earlier plan called for 2 million square feet of office and 4 million square feet of housing, though this would likely change if the developer built a casino and hotel. The company has said that would not affect the number of affordable housing units planned for the Western Yards.

NYguy

Dec 8, 2022 4:15 AM

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-in-casino-bid

NYC Hudson Yards Developer Pitches 1,500-Room Resort in Casino Bid
Complex would kick off the second phase of Related Cos.’ massive project on Manhattan’s far west side.

https://i0.wp.com/moodystories.com/w...50%2C799&ssl=1

ByNatalie Wong and David Westin
December 7, 2022

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Hudson Yards developer Related Cos. is proposing a resort with about 1,500 guest rooms as part of its bid for one of New York’s gaming licenses.

Plans also call for about 20 restaurants, a nightclub, theater and casino at the second phase of the project on Manhattan’s far west side. The company also aims to increase affordable housing in the area and add a school, Related Chief Executive Officer Jeff Blau said on Bloomberg Television Wednesday.

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Related is teaming up with Wynn Resorts Ltd. to pursue one of three gaming licenses for New York’s downstate area. Competitors include SL Green Realty Corp., which has proposed a casino project in Times Square in partnership with Caesars Entertainment Inc. and Jay-Z’s Roc Nation.

If Related is selected, construction of the complex would kick off the second phase of the company’s $25 billion Hudson Yards project, on a site between 11th Avenue and the Hudson River. The first phase, east of 11th Avenue, includes office skyscrapers, residential towers and a shopping mall.

A resort-casino on the western yards also would draw more visitors to the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, which recently underwent a $1.5 billion expansion, Related said.

“We think it’s the opportune place to put something like this, and I think it will generate the highest economic development returns for the state,” Blau said in an interview with Bloomberg TV’s David Westin. The project “will kick-start over $10 billion of development in New York City at a time when we need it. We need the economic development, we need the jobs.”

Related expects a request for proposals from the state to be announced early next year, with a selection of the winners by the end of 2023.

mrnyc

Dec 8, 2022 4:51 AM

its a great site for a manhattan casino. many visitors are well aware of the area via javits conventions. i just wish a new msg was to be built over top of it.

Sky88

Dec 8, 2022 5:32 PM

I'm curious to see what the Related project of the casino will look like. :)

Prezrezreturns

Dec 8, 2022 7:18 PM

The casino should (read: must) feel like an architecturally unique (read: *not* be a charicature) representation of the area it’s in; while the hotel absolutely must look like something worth being drawn to.

mrnyc

Dec 8, 2022 7:40 PM

^ what you mean you don't want a river boat casino? :haha:

rivernorthlurker

Dec 11, 2022 2:44 AM

FYI here was Related's casino bid in Chicago (that was ultimately not picked) for maybe some feel of how they might be thinking

https://www.78chicago.com/entertainment-district
https://www.78chicago.com/rivers-78-partnership

JMKeynes

Dec 11, 2022 2:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9812535)

I think that Related’s proposal will be unique. They plan a 1,500 room hotel, a theater, 20 restaurants, etc. I think that this can easily be a 1,200’+ tower, and I suspect that they will design something totally iconic. This could turn out to be a world-class destination in its own right like the Monaco casino.

NYC2ATX

Dec 11, 2022 5:33 AM

While I understand some people's aversion to a casino, the idea of a massive convention-size hotel next to the city's main convention center feels not only like it makes sense but maybe should've been there a long time ago..

RobEss

Dec 11, 2022 1:24 PM

This neighborhood will continue to be a social void mostly filled with office workers and tourists until more local residential units are built - that's been the narrative since before phase one, and the original pitch for HY showed a cluster of different types of housing, schools, and leafy parks. Somehow I don't think spearheading the project with a ritzy gambling den will accomplish that...

NYguy

Dec 11, 2022 6:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NYC2ATX (Post 9812589)

The convention center hotel that was proposed - the 980 ft hotel proposed by Extell - was at the time going to be the tallest hotel. Currently the site is where the proposed Affirmation Tower would be.

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Originally Posted by RobEss (Post 9812642)

All of that still stands. In fact, Related says there would be more housing.

The western yards, next to the convention center, would be a perfect location for a resort style casino.

RobEss

Dec 11, 2022 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 9812806)

All of that still stands...

I'll believe it when I see it. Somehow I'm not expecting much human-centric planning coming from the same team that thought 'The Vessel' would be a good idea...

mrnyc

Dec 12, 2022 7:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9812535)

no.

but luckily a stand alone casino is not even possible for the hy site.

it would have to be under a new msg or some tower.

NYguy

Jan 31, 2023 5:11 AM

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...ring-nyc-visit

Biden to announce $292 million for Hudson rail tunnel project during NYC visit

BY KEVIN FREY
JAN. 30, 2023

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President Joe Biden is poised to formally announce a nearly $300 million grant Tuesday to help complete an early phase of the Hudson Tunnel project, part of the long-delayed Gateway Program.

Biden will tout the $292 million “mega” grant, created by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law he signed in 2021, during a visit to New York City.

According to the White House, the money will go toward completing the final section of concrete casing near Hudson Yards, protecting the right-of-way for the future tracks connecting Penn Station to the river’s edge

A spokesman for the Gateway program said the aim is to begin construction this year on the new section, noting the grant expedites the process of lining up the necessary funding to proceed. It is one piece of the massive Gateway project, which is expected to receive several billion dollars under the infrastructure law.

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NYguy

Feb 1, 2023 5:17 AM

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...ring-nyc-visit

Biden announces 9 'mega' grants for infrastructure projects in NYC visit

January 31, 2023

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The Biden administration on Tuesday announced nine sites across the country will receive what the administration called a “mega” grant to fortify surrounding infrastructure.

One of those sites, where President Joe Biden appeared later that day, is in New York City: The Hudson Tunnel Project is set to receive $292 million to finish construction.

Biden touted the $292 million “mega” grant, created by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law he signed in 2021, during his visit to New York City.

"This is just the beginning," Biden said of the grants. "It's the beginning of finally constructing a 21st Century rail system that's long, long overdue in this country."

According to the White House, the money will go toward completing the final section of concrete casing near Hudson Yards, protecting the right-of-way for the future tracks connecting Penn Station to the river’s edge. The Hudson Tunnel Project will likely create around 72,000 direct and indirect jobs, according to the White House, and the completed project aims to reduce commute times and increase reliability for NJ Transit and Amtrak riders.

"This project is critical to transforming the Northeast Corridor; increasing speeds capacity, reliability and safety," Biden said, later adding: "The new tunnel is going to have two tubes with one track and each tube so they can keep operating up to one side breaks down. But it's going to be safer, more resilient, more reliable. The biggest rail line in the United States of America."

“The Northeast Corridor is the busiest passenger rail line in the country, and the crossing under the Hudson is its most important nexus point,” Biden said. “After a lot of hard work, and a lot of stubborn persistence, our efforts are finally paying off.”

chris08876

Feb 1, 2023 2:04 PM

I do hope Phase II kicks off soon. This should of been occurring already. Originally the time table was slated for 2024. Looking like the Gateway Tunnel is priority though. A drop in the bucket, the almost 300 million considering the 16 billion price tag for the tunnel (bound to rise as time goes by).

Phase II would sell with the residential, so IDK why the wait. Would just be a pity if they allocate time to this casino and miss out on getting the Phase II up and running (considering the elected officials might not even go with it, the risk).

BK1985

Feb 1, 2023 2:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 9854376)

I would think their casino proposal is only for the commercial tower portion of phase 2 since they said it wouldn't change their original residential and school commitment

NYguy

Feb 1, 2023 3:11 PM

Yes, the commitments to the school and the affordable housing are still in play, as is required. They actually say there will be more affordable housing, but we haven't seen the plan.

NYguy

Mar 27, 2023 3:51 PM

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NYguy

May 29, 2023 2:10 AM

https://nypost.com/2023/05/28/hudson...0b-casino-bid/

Hudson Yards developer reveals revised $10 billion bid for casino

By Steve Cuozzo, Josh Kosman and Carl Campanile
May 28, 2023

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Just Wynn, baby!

Related Companies revealed a revised plan – exclusively to The Post – for its proposed Hudson Yards casino mega-complex that rolls the dice on two gleaming skyscrapers after two top contenders seemingly crapped out.

Related CEO Jeff Blau said the proposed $10 billion development plan for the Yards’ entire western half will be kick-started by the 3 million-square-foot, Wynn-branded “resort” tower – which would also house a 1,700-room hotel to serve the struggling Javits Center — as the developer seeks to snag the precious gaming license.

“It will be one of the most incredible tall buildings in New York City,” Blau gushed Friday.

The table games like blackjack, craps, poker and roulette would take up 250,000 square feet in the new skyscraper – along with the high-end restaurants and shops that Blau hopes will attract both whales and guppies looking to try their luck on the far West Side.

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Related, led by founder Stephen M. Ross, plans to retain a previously announced 5.5-acre public green park connected to the High Line, a much-needed public school for the area, and a 1-million square-foot rental apartment tower that will include 329 “affordable” units.

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”For these reasons we feel we’re in a good position with the best proposal,” Blau said. “We’re looking to win.”

Blau’s chances for victory in the casino sweepstakes were boosted after projected frontrunner Steve Cohen’s proposal for a gambling and entertainment complex on state-owned land near Citi Field was shot down by a Queens politician last week.

Casino operator Bally’s also seems to be out of the running with its bid to place a gambling den on Donald Trump’s golf course in the Bronx because of a conflict with the city over leasing issues for the land.

Bally’s may make a last-ditch attempt for a casino in Cohen’s backyard with a proposal on private land at Willets Point.

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Other major suitors who want to put a casino in Coney Island, Times Square, atop Saks Fifth Avenue and near the United Nations also face stiff resistance from local officials.

Blau’s main competition now seems to be coming from Long Island, where Sands’s bid to build a casino on the Nassau Coliseum grounds gained local approval last week.

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Blau hopes his ace in the hole – of bringing the Javits much-needed hotel rooms – will trump Hoylman’s objections and probable “No” vote.

Related may also benefit from Ross being one of Hochul’s biggest donors.

“The Javits Center just expanded but continues to lose business to other cities because it doesn’t have a hotel,” said Blau, adding that Wynn is experienced at booking conventions and could be a big help in luring events from other cities.

“At some point a convention hotel needs to be near Javits and this would be it,” a source close to the project said.

Blau also said the new office tower would buck the current difficulties facing the city’s commercial real estate market.

Related’s four office skyscrapers on the site’s eastern half are nearly full, Blau said.

He noted that 30 Hudson Yards is fully sold to companies including KKR, while 10 and 55 Hudson Yards are 100% leased, and 50 Hudson Yards is already more than 90% spoken for even before it’s finished.

“ We could start building another office tower right now,” Blau said. “We’re out of room” for tenants eager to pay $200 a square foot for space.

Blau cited other factors that should make Related the odds-on favorite, such as access to the expanded No. 7 subway line and other mass transit, and the fact that no buildings or people would be disrupted because the western yard is empty.

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