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worldtrade2021 Jun 2, 2024 6:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TKD (Post 10200622)
The panels that were previously lying around on the western portion of the roof were not apart of the dome, those were the removeable access panels to gain entry to the roof, I wouldnt say its the first time in a while since there have many times theyve been in their closed position and not lying around.

In any situation it's the first time in a while where I've seen panels not present on the western portion of the roof. Panels and equipment of some kind have been visible on the western portion of the roof on the aerial cam of Liberty Park since the opening of St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church in 2022, giving the St. building more of a "finished" look as viewed from the webcam providing an aerial view of Liberty Park.

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 10201545)
Does this indicate construction potentially starting this year?

When construction begins at the site of 5 WTC is anyone's guess. Can't find any information anywhere since approval for the construction and rumors of further attempts to allocate more space in the skyscraper to affordable housing were announced in July 2023 and October 2023, respectively.

Double L Jun 3, 2024 5:58 AM

So glad to see this project is close to happening.

chris08876 Jun 3, 2024 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 10201545)
Does this indicate construction potentially starting this year?

If I recall from the approval, estimates or timetables put it at sometime this year. Q4 potentially. But as always, subject to change.

Zapatan Jun 3, 2024 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 10217306)
If I recall from the approval, estimates or timetables put it at sometime this year. Q4 potentially. But as always, subject to change.

Yea, that doesn't mean much. It'd be nice if that ever happened but I'm skeptical this (or 2WTC) gets built at all, let alone this year.

It would be nice to rise alongside 111 Washington though, those two would make quite an impact downtown.

mrnyc Jun 3, 2024 8:03 PM

lmdc shifted some $ to 5wtc last fall -- it's supposed to start later this year, but i can't find anything to confim that --

interesting the post-9/11 lmdc will finally dissolve after wtc 5 is done --




Boost for 5WTC Megatower: $31 Million in Shifted Jobs and Parks Funds

HUD OKs move of remaining post-9/11 World Trade Center recovery dollars into affordable housing, as developers ready the first residential tower at Ground Zero.

BY GABRIEL POBLETE
OCT. 11, 2023


more:
https://www.thecity.nyc/2023/10/11/a...ter-hud-funds/

worldtrade2021 Jun 5, 2024 1:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 10217732)
lmdc shifted some $ to 5wtc last fall -- it's supposed to start later this year, but i can't find anything to confim that --

interesting the post-9/11 lmdc will finally dissolve after wtc 5 is done --

Indeed and this article from September 2023 had said that this would be happening by March-April 2024:

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...-to-wind-down/

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But now, following an agreement to build 1,200 apartments at 5 World Trade Center, the LMDC is winding down. For real, this time.

The plan is for the state’s Empire State Development to absorb the agency by March, according to state officials. The LMDC needs to still technically exist because it is a conduit for federal grants for the Perelman Performing Arts Center, Pier 42 and other projects — even the restoration of a centuries-old wooden ship excavated just south of where the Twin Towers stood.

“For over two decades, LMDC has steadfastly led the rebuilding of the World Trade Center site, resulting in the dynamic community it is today,” a spokesperson for the governor said in a statement. The 5 WTC agreement “represents Governor Hochul’s commitment to ensure LMDC completes the original vision of what Ground Zero should become.”

Officials have long talked about shifting the agency’s responsibilities to the state. In 2011, Gov. Andrew Cuomo called for the consolidation of the LMDC and another Empire State Development subsidiary, the Moynihan Station Corporation.

The LMDC was launched in November 2001 by Gov. George Pataki and Mayor Rudy Giuliani to oversee the redevelopment of the World Trade Center and help coordinate city and state efforts. By one count, 19 public agencies were involved with that effort.

As with much about the massive redevelopment, the LMDC’s history is complicated, involving competing political interests across five gubernatorial administrations and four mayors.

“This entity was set up at a time of extraordinary crisis and distress,” said Alicia Glen, a former deputy mayor under Bill de Blasio who has served on the LMDC board for nine years. She said the agency’s role evolved from “reactionary crisis management,” to a planning agency to a mainly transactional entity.

While elected officials repeatedly called for its dissolution, the agency had powerful defenders, including the late Assembly speaker Sheldon Silver. His arrest in 2015 on corruption charges triggered new calls for the agency to close.

Disagreements between the LMDC and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey delayed the progress of 5 World Trade Center. The former wanted to allow a mixed-use project, including residential, while the latter pushed for office use. The two agencies eventually agreed to let developers pitch either project type. (Residential won out.)

Beyond the legal need to have an entity that federal funds could pass through, the LMDC gave the city a seat at the table in determining the future of the World Trade Center sites.

“It was a place and a space where various stakeholders had to come together to make a deal,” Glen said. “I think that LMDC played an incredibly important role in maintaining continuity and just trying to be focused on the site being rebuilt.”
However, the last time 5 WTC was mentioned in the news, it was here:

https://tribecacitizen.com/2024/03/2...-trade-center/

There was also this news in January 2024:

https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/01/...m-nyc-in-2024/

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Manhattan
5 World Trade Center (130 Liberty St.)

In July the state approved a plan to build 1,200 new apartments at the World Trade Center site, bringing to an end years of back-and-forth with the community. A third of the units will be affordable after vocal campaigning from locals who had pushed for full affordability.

It’s located on the site of the former Deutsche Bank building, which was heavily damaged during the 9/11 attacks. Some of the apartments will be earmarked for New Yorkers impacted by the attack.

Upon completion “5 WTC” will be one of the largest affordable housing developments in lower Manhattan and the only residential site at the World Trade Center, according to the state. The 900-foot tower is being developed by Brookfield Properties, Silverstein Properties, Omni NY and Dabar Development.

A state official confirmed construction is expected to start before the end of next year.
No idea why it's taking so long, but there might be delays or wait times in getting construction finalized and starting materials ordered before LMDC winds down.

The LMDC had this agenda list of points for a March 11, 2024 meeting:

http://www.renewnyc.com/

http://www.renewnyc.com/Attachments/...d_3_08_24).pdf

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LOWER MANHATTAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
MEETING OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS
9/11 Memorial Museum Auditorium
180 Greenwich Street
New York, New York
3/11/24 Board Meeting Agenda
PROPOSED – NOT YET ACTED UPON.
March 11, 2024 at 9:00AM
DRAFT AGENDA
I. Call to Order
II. Audit and Finance Committee Report (No material)
III. Administrative Authorization Requests
 ACTION ITEMS:
A. Ratification of Action Taken to Amend and Extend the External Audit Services
Contract with EFPR Group, LLC through December 31, 2025
B. Ratification of Action Taken to Amend and Extend the Website Services Contract
with NGenious Solutions, Inc. through March 31, 2025
C. Request to Approve LMDC 2024/2025 Operating Budget
D. Request to Pre-Authorize Consultant Contract Zero-Dollar Time Extensions
IV. Action Plan Amendments
 ACTION ITEM:
A. Request to Amend Partial Action Plan S-2 and the Final Action Plan
V. Adjournment
I would expect at least some kind of update by the end of the year in December 2024, but knowing the history of the site, wouldn't be surprised if the groundbreaking or foundation work is approved and visible signs of construction are only apparent sometime in 2025.

mrnyc Jun 10, 2024 1:51 PM

^ excellent detective work here bravo — i was rather lazy :haha:

lets keep our eyes and ears open for something new to confirm a start — :tup:

Xing Lin Jul 15, 2024 5:26 AM

Made a rendering to show how 5WTC will fit in with the rest of the complex:
https://i.imgur.com/76WaNtkh.jpeg
Photo source (public domain)

worldtrade2021 Jul 15, 2024 8:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Xing Lin (Post 10245563)
Made a rendering to show how 5WTC will fit in with the rest of the complex:
https://i.imgur.com/JHpK0yvh.jpg
Photo source (public domain)

Very nice, the spiral of ascending height and skyscrapers forming an unclosed cocoon of sorts around the memorial pools are well illustrated. Even then the site still looks unfinished because of the bare spire on One WTC, but one day hopefully money will be spent to fix that and the bare spire and antenna rings will be covered with decorative cladding of some kind.

NYguy Aug 25, 2024 2:07 AM

Another look at this old proposal for the site. While I don't care too much for another blue glass tower, there's something to be said for a simpler, slab-like design. I think that would fit more in line with the other towers.



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...EDGCW9.p4b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...9st8Rs.p5b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...VdA8KR.p7b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...VlclQw.p8b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...2CmykC.p9b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...z3AVY.p10b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...z2Uai.p11b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...kkCy2.p12b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...vz6ss.p13b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...91Jdj.p14b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...CansQ.p15b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...B5l1v.p16b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...AXPYQ.p17b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...sr8ji.p18b.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/g13/06/102706/2....3e017c5a.JPEGhttps://a4.pbase.com/g13/06/102706/2....71a70712.JPEG




However, you could argue this design is more aligned to the design of Tower 2...



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...B.IMG_3569.JPG

Busy Bee Aug 25, 2024 6:21 PM

I liked how this design "leans" back from the site.

Zapatan Aug 25, 2024 9:26 PM

I like both designs, I think the newer one works a little better with the new 2WTC and the old one a bit better with Foster's 2WTC.

The good designs are meaningless though if the buildings are never built.

NYguy Aug 26, 2024 3:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 10271047)
The good designs are meaningless though if the buildings are never built.

That could be said about any proposal, good design or bad.

NYguy Sep 4, 2024 1:15 AM

SEPTEMBER 2, 2024


https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1....IMG_1401.jpeg



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1....IMG_1402.jpeg



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1....IMG_1403.jpeg



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1....IMG_1404.jpeg



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1....IMG_1405.jpeg

NYguy Sep 11, 2024 12:10 AM

https://commercialobserver.com/2024/...new-book-9-11/

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What about Tower Five?

The Port Authority originally conceived of an office building for that site. As time went on, it became obvious to the port that perhaps the best use of that site might be residential rental housing. So we — with Brookfield — presented a bid for the site. And the Port Authority decided to choose us to develop a [1,200-unit, 40 percent affordable] rental housing plan for that site.

But the present financing environment is totally out of whack. So we just have to wait until the financing world comes back again into reality and the project becomes a viable project. That’ll take a little bit of time, but my assumption is it’ll happen.




https://commercialobserver.com/wp-co...lity=80&w=1300

Roadcruiser1 Sep 16, 2024 12:39 PM

The models are official.
 
https://newyorkyimby.com/2024/09/sil...MvXrLFgEQCqx6g

TK2001 Sep 16, 2024 2:50 PM

https://global.discourse-cdn.com/bus...73618e144.jpeg
Left: original design
Right: new design

Busy Bee Sep 16, 2024 3:05 PM

https://media.tenor.com/9Y_BXGMr42YA...o-tommyboy.gif

https://global.discourse-cdn.com/bus...73618e144.jpeg
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chris08876 Sep 16, 2024 4:36 PM

Silverstein Properties Unveils Scale Models of 2 and 5 World Trade Center Skyscrapers in Financial District, Manhattan

https://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/...1229x1536.jpeg

https://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/...-2-scaled.jpeg

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Developer Silverstein Properties recently debuted a series of architectural models to preview the latest designs of 2 and 5 World Trade Center in Manhattan’s Financial District. Designed by Lord Norman Foster of Foster + Partners, 2 World Trade Center is planned to rise 80 stories and 1,348 feet tall, just 20 feet shorter than the roof height of 1 World Trade Center, and will yield office space. Kohn Pedersen Fox is the designer for 5 World Trade Center, a residential skyscraper co-developed by Brookfield Properties with a planned height of 920 feet. The 2 World Trade Center plot is located within the original 16-acre World Trade Center complex bound by Vesey, Fulton, Greenwich, and Church Streets. The 5 World Trade Center site is located to the south of Liberty Park and bound by Greenwich, Albany, and Washington Streets.

The tabletop models offer a look at the full World Trade Center complex rising from a scale map of Lower Manhattan with dozens of other neighboring structures for context. Standing on the northeastern corner of the complex is 2 World Trade Center with a dynamic cubic massing incorporating a series of stepped setbacks and cutouts that will be topped with landscaped terraces.

The residential skyscraper 5 World Trade Center stands at the southeastern corner of the complex and features a massing of perpendicular rectangular volumes with rounded corners.
===============
NYY

TK2001 Sep 16, 2024 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 10283857)

Not me, KPF. The tallest section of the tower has been pushed to the south, the north terrace is now flush with the south terrace, the south side of the base is now more "square" as they added some floor space, and the base/entrance is slightly different. I just hope the bridge from Liberty Park to 5 WTC is still planned


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