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Hopefully a lot of that for the second stage...some daring designs, something different and more 21st century in inspiration than typical residential towers. The second stage is where they should be able to afford to explore and create a bit.
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I wish we had floor and height data. No way those models are to scale (but if they are, holy S!). Because we've all seen how dominant 30 Hudson is lol.
Imagine 5 super talls in Phase II, would just be bonkers. 10 Hudson Yards is 878 ft to the roof, so that would something to write home to if those indeed are to scale. |
I'm expecting at least one, but likely 2 supertall towers in phase 2. Nothing higher than 30 Hudson, but one of the residential towers could be second tallest in Related's scheme.
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Yeah, I think Phase 2 will have at least two residential supertalls. And potentially one commercial supertall.
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I'm hoping we get something closer to Battery Park City - a cohesive neighborhood with human-scaled elements and matching/complimentary styles of architecture.
The all glass towers-in-the-park rehash just isn't doing it for me...:shrug: |
Has to be a mock-up. I doubt some of those towers are exactly as is or in their final form. I really hope they don't botch up Phase II. This is a prime, prime opportunity to add a sizable unit count to the West Side.
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In addition of the unseen work below the western yard, Related + Oxford probably will want to wait for the uber-luxury market to bounce back before committing to the mostly residential phase 2. Apparently sales at 35 and 15 HY have been abysmal. Like, really bad.
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^ Yeah, I would expect any sales there to be bad. It's bad across the board in the city as far as that goes.
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Battery Park City is what I compare the second phase to, in terms of it being largely residential, with some office. There will be no lowrise scale, unless you count the towers on lowrise bases. As you know, there will be a school located here as well. But there is a density that is required for Related, because of the open space mandate. They can't just build a lowrise neighborhood. The central portion of the yards wasn't supposed to have any buildings at all (where it looks like the Calatrava towers are), but they got around that. But I believe this is pretty much what you are going to see, these displays are permanent. And you can pretty much pick out the Gehry and Calatrava towers. Of course, actual renderings won't look as scrambled. https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...03632DC69.jpeg https://media.architecturaldigest.co...344-185584.jpg https://www.architecturaldigest.com/...ds-nyc-opening |
If they are trying for condos in the 3-10 million range, good luck...but isn't the residential supposed to be rental? So this proposed lineup(more or less) will be what we see in the skyline here from the Jersey City side? These are really nice... how many in all, likely...8 would be written in stone?
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^ i dk if its written in stone, but its been that from early on with no known wavering.
and it kinda has to be what it is or similar for them to make their money back and the profit. that’s why i think once they finally get the ok from the transit authorities it will start immediately. that’s been the holdup all along. |
^ Yeah, the work on the platform would start whether or not the towers themselves would start.
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Did they ever give a figure of how many units will rise or projected within the 6.2 mil square feet?
I hope its in the range of 4000-4500. This is a prime opportunity for a ton of market-rate units. |
^ good question. are the number of apts in these buildings known? no doubt it is if not publically. it would be interesting to see that breakdown.
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If the breakdown was ever given I don’t recall. But there’s this overall...
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If we assume on average 750-1100 sqft per unit, where looking at a minimum of 3000-3200 units. Just minimum. Just for concept, spread over 4 mil-sqft.
A good sign is when a school is present. That's a crap ton of units if they need a school for it. I think we'll see closer to 3700 units (just my inclination) 4 mil-sqft is massive. I mean if this is your standard size unit found in newer developments, I wouldn't expect many 10k sqft units or penthouses, but a bulk being 750-1100/1200 sqft. Studios, 550-600 sqft. |
So Barclays Bank is supposedly moving its North American HQ to Hudson Yards. They're looking at proposed towers.
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Could be, but that seems much further off than something like 3 Hudson, or even 2 Manhattan West. It could even be 50 Hudson or the Spiral, though for that much space you would think they would want to anchor the lower floors. That would reason to think it would be a tower without a major signed tenant yet. Hard to say these days. But it's welcome news for the city, that and Chase saying it's time to start returning the forces. |
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while i do not think we will get any renders for awhile i am looking forward to them. no doubt they will be quite handsome. the green and the people living there will really liven up the area from the cold and dystopian feel it has now. unfortunately, i don’t think anything is going to be resolved with the transit authorities to start the decking anytime soon.
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Hopefully the EIS final draft/submission timeline remains the same. Would be nice to get everything wrapped up for phase II by 2026, but IDK if thats optimistic.
Hopefully capping the yards doesn't take two years. Would be nice if its just one year. I have a feeling, realistically, 2028. If I had to bet. |
More fantasy rendering....
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That's honestly an awesome design, I would be fine with this :P
While I am not wishing for this to be delayed for an extended time, it would be interesting if it were ... and when built with an updated redesign in, say 2035, how the two schemes would differ, architecturally, technologically, and otherwise, because of the time that had elapsed in between them. I am reminded of the first phase of Rockefeller Center with 30 Rock and its surrounds, vs. the latter XYZ buildings on 6th Avenue (1211, 1221, 1251 Avenue of the Americas). What a difference a few decades makes. :rolleyes: |
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Pics by me. Taken today.
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Wow. Where were these taken? As far as I know there is no new information on these towers except for the renderings released after wall-gate. I wonder if these designs are purely conceptual or closer to final.
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Inside the hallway to the Edge (observation deck) elevator. They light up and have little people and noises coming out of those Phase II exhibits.
I'm convinced that the fella who designed the show or hallway prior to entering the elevator did a lot of acid and DMT. Its quite a trippy experience. I approve!!! :D Nobody with a sober mind would put that many lights of all rainbow colors within 1200 sq-ft. |
Just renewing the parking permit....
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Are they finally gonna build it?
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This is a bit random but I saw if you use your Visa credit card, there are all sorts of deals and discounts with the restaurants and other stores at Hudson Yards, including Jose Andres' restaurant and discounts for the Edge observation deck.
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This may sound like wishful thinking, but has there been any proposal to deck over the convention center with a platform and build?
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Thats probably still decades away. And when it does happen it wont be decked over as much as it will be torn down and either built into the ground floors of a new mega-development or relocated with Sunnyside Yard being the most obvious and likely location.
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^That "plan" is mostly meaningless as they are doing virtually nothing to advance it.
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Just one glass redundancy after another. Also, unsurprisingly, too much rectilinearity. Oh, the vessel in concept is interesting, the shiny copper hide is tacky and way too shiny. |
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Well the Hudson Yards would be the best place for a casino. In addition to the casino there would also be room for a new MSG. The whole area from the Empire Station District to the new PA Bus Terminal could benefit from this new project. Not only that but projects like 360 10th Avenue and Affirmation Tower could also benefit. :)
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yeah if they throw a new msg in the western hudson yards mix i would be all in.
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Related has said it previously approached MSG about a potential move there, something that would be more of a longshot than a casino. Related always said the western railyards (mostly condo) is what made the entire development worthwhile. Not shocking they would jump at the chance for a casino. But the western rails also is where the new school would go, and I don’t see anyone approving a casino there. But the westside is one of 2 locations in the city (the other being Coney Island), where a casino makes the most sense. I think it should be on the block south of the Javits. That sit is large enough. But its one of 2 sites Hochul is eyeing for affordable housing. |
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