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jkconno Jul 27, 2021 8:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 9351460)
None of this is really true at these price points. You may seriously just be projecting a bias against renters stemming from subconsciously held elitist views: owners are cleaner and nicer and don’t tear things up. Golly! Literally what you said IS elitist by definition. Period. Get over yourself. And, well, what if they don’t actually tear things up?

The wear and tear is the same, just not fixed as promptly by management when in a rental context than in a condo context. That shifts the blame from residents to where it actually belongs: the developers.
I think it's basic human psychology... if you're truly invested in the space, you're more likely to take care of it. If you're just a renter, it's a problem for somebody else.

Tragedy of the Commons if you will.

H2O Jul 28, 2021 2:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Azul (Post 9351562)
I think a big reason you don't see a lot of joint lobbies between condos and apartments is because of the maintainance. These condos have Condo Associations that pay dues for maintenance, repairs, etc. and I'd imagine sharing common areas with a full-scale rental portion of the building creates some grey area on who pays for what and how. If the lobbies are separate then the Condo Association pays 100% of the maintenance while the Apartment Management pays for 100% of their lobby. If it's shared, then I'm sure the legal agreements between these two entities get a little denser.
If it is all one building, the rental portion has to be part of the condominium association. There is no reason why common area maintenance cannot be pro-rated between the two entities.

ILUVSAT Jul 28, 2021 4:49 PM
Question: If a tower includes hotel and residential - wouldn't those lobbies and elevators be separate? Same as in a mixed use tower where hotel, office and residential uses are shared. Those lobbies and elevators are also separate.

I don't see a problem in separating the rental entrance from that of those who own units.

StoOgE Jul 28, 2021 8:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 9352279)
Question: If a tower includes hotel and residential - wouldn't those lobbies and elevators be separate? Same as in a mixed use tower where hotel, office and residential uses are shared. Those lobbies and elevators are also separate.

I don't see a problem in separating the rental entrance from that of those who own units.
It's very very common in NYC. The "poor doors" were somewhat controversial since some of the rental units were low income.

But condos often don't want to share amenities with renters.

Echostatic Jul 28, 2021 9:33 PM
My favorite "poor door" example is One Manhattan Square where the development's low-income housing is put in an entirely separate tower, on the left

https://i.imgur.com/eCwB7us.png

valhalla Jul 28, 2021 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Echostatic (Post 9352588)
My favorite "poor door" example is One Manhattan Square where the development's low-income housing is put in an entirely separate tower, on the left
Oof, this feels like public shaming. Or like really conspicuous food stamps.

The ATX Sep 15, 2021 7:08 PM
Nice. This one grew to 64-stories and 786'!

https://i.imgur.com/2a99aCu.png
https://i.imgur.com/WHGtBWz.png
https://i.imgur.com/nZmowya.png
https://i.imgur.com/EIJ6odw.png
https://studio.bluebeam.com/share/my4n2k

We vs us Sep 15, 2021 7:18 PM
Wow wow! That thing is going to totally dwarf the Marriott!

gabetx Sep 15, 2021 7:37 PM
Wow it's a box!

myBrain Sep 15, 2021 7:49 PM
PLEASE:

1. Use green glass

2. Do something better to cover the garage

sjk Sep 15, 2021 8:03 PM
I hope that the big strips down N+S elevations are some type of exterior lighting. Kind of like what's gonna be on the North side of 6XG.

clubtokyo Sep 15, 2021 8:23 PM
Is that a curved glass crown at top?

IluvATX Sep 15, 2021 8:44 PM
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Originally Posted by clubtokyo (Post 9397247)
Is that a curved glass crown at top?
I believe so. I like this one minus the parking garage.

GoldenBoot Sep 15, 2021 8:56 PM
Is Page designing this tower too?

The ATX Sep 15, 2021 9:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot (Post 9397294)
Is Page designing this tower too?
No. It's Pappageorge Haymes from Chicago. The only Texas project listed on their website is for something in the Woodlands.

https://www.pappageorgehaymes.com/

Echostatic Sep 15, 2021 10:31 PM
Ooh, that is nice. The towers never stop...

H2O Sep 16, 2021 1:59 PM
It appears this is now Condo and Hotel, without any apartments.

Sigaven Sep 16, 2021 2:36 PM
Fucking more metal garage screening? WTF Austin? Come on, you can do better than that. What happened to actually trying to hide the garage levels, like in Frost Tower, the Austonian, and Silicon Labs?!

chinchaaa Sep 16, 2021 3:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sigaven (Post 9397911)
Fucking more metal garage screening? WTF Austin? Come on, you can do better than that. What happened to actually trying to hide the garage levels, like in Frost Tower, the Austonian, and Silicon Labs?!
Remove parking minimums and require all parking to be underground. It’s my least favorite thing about this city and everyone who visits always comments on how weird it is.

freerover Sep 16, 2021 4:38 PM
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Originally Posted by chinchaaa (Post 9397972)
Remove parking minimums and require all parking to be underground. It’s my least favorite thing about this city and everyone who visits always comments on how weird it is.
There are no parking minimums downtown.


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