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Originally Posted by RobEss (Post 9544009)

Vaporware, sadly.

Why?

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Originally Posted by MAC123 (Post 9544198)

Why?

Architecture firms love to put out these 'proposals' to draw flash for their practice, even though NYC isn't currently seeking them.

A major tell that this rendering isn't really about replacing a bus terminal is that they forgot to actually show how the buses will get into the station - they conveniently crop out the snaking and unsightly ramps behind an as-yet unbuilt tower.

Most of that is a projection. Build-out potential. Can always vary based on a bid or outlook for the area.

for crissake keep the iconic massive X-bracing we have . .
it’s impressively monumental, classically modern, & architectur-
ally distinctive . . and would make a super great base for any style
tower(s) built above the station . . For extra bus-bay gates
expansion, stack another few levels into a 2nd matching truss
constructed above . . get rid of the sickly green color & paint the
girders a bold bright clean industrial construction-site orange . .
then channel the extra funds saved below, up into more excellent
tower(s)above . . taller, finer materials . . no ubiquitous silvery glass
. . anyway, that’s what’s in my whacko imagination . .
Manhattan is a patchwork of some really magnificent
architecture & a whole lotta crap . . tear down the mediocre &
work around what’s great . . unless you’re gonna replace it with
something grander . . Guess I have a thing for mighty iron
trusswork . .

I get it. I can "see" that too. But I imagine the current terminal doesn't function the way they'd like it to both in space layout and capacity. I would imagine if all they were seeking was a refurbishment that would have been on the table.

The towers of this development rank along some of the larger upcoming towers in Manhattan in size.

From the recently completed FEIS of the Penn Station redevelopment...

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https://www.amny.com/transit/port-au...-bus-terminal/

Port Authority taps big-time architects for $10 billion bus terminal revamp

By Kevin Duggan
August 4, 2022

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The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has tapped two big-time architectural and design companies for the $10 billion revamp of its aging 42nd Street bus terminal.

The bi-state agency hired British firm Foster + Partners and Chicago-based construction engineering company A. Epstein and Sons to advise the overhaul of the decades-old transit hub.

“Both of these firms have a proven track record in delivering world-class design services and they are both skilled, experienced, and knowledgable with respect to large-scale urban projects,” Port Authority Executive Director Rick Cotton said during a press conference Thursday, Aug. 4.

“They are perfectly suited to this challenge,” Cotton added.

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The proposal seeks to completely raze the current terminal on 8th Avenue built in 1950, and replace it with a larger structure with 40% more capacity, along with a new storage and staging area for buses so they don’t have to line up on the street, and a ramp connecting directly to the Lincoln Tunnel decked over with 3.5 acres of green space.

“A project of this scale doesn’t quite exist,” said Juan Vieira-Pardo, an architect with Foster + Partners. “This is much more complex than most any project we’ve ever seen.”

The U.K. company designed a new Crossrail station in London with a shopping center and rooftop garden, along with Bloomberg’s European headquarters in that city, and a master plan for a metro system in the Saudi Arabian city of Jeddah.

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The Port Authority announced the massive scheme in early 2021 and expects to open the new facility at the end of 2031.

The agency has allocated $3 billion for the project in its current capital plan, but Cotton hopes to raise “a portion” of the funding by letting developers build four mixed-use towers at the terminal.

It plans to collect payments from real estate companies in lieu of city property taxes, similar to the controversial scheme Governor Kathy Hochul wants to use for her $22 Penn Station renovation and expansion.

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This is amazing. Is this junkhttps://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/...1/IMG_0715.jpg going to be capped?

The bus ramps are going to be demolished, and shifted west.

This project is potentially epic. I bet the NIMBYs are already having seizures.

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9694404)

This project is potentially epic. I bet the NIMBYs are already having seizures.

They’re too busy focused on the towers at Penn Station (as if we can’t have towers and a station), to notice the tower component here. This is an ENORMOUS project.

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“A project of this scale doesn’t quite exist,” said Juan Vieira-Pardo, an architect with Foster + Partners. “This is much more complex than most any project we’ve ever seen.”

When renderings of the new terminal are released, they’ll shift their anger. Basically everyone agrees that the current terminal should be replaced, but they’ll foam at the mouth anyway.

https://www.fosterandpartners.com/ne...-in-manhattan/

Foster + Partners and Epstein to design Port Authority’s Midtown Bus Terminal in Manhattan

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The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey today announced the selection of an architectural joint-venture to assist in developing the agency’s vision for a reimagined, state-of-the-art Midtown Bus Terminal. The new terminal replacement project will have expanded capacity to accommodate commuter bus growth through 2050 and also accommodate intercity buses that now pick up and drop off on the streets surrounding today’s outdated terminal. The proposed project will also provide new off-street capacity for buses waiting their turn to pick up and drop off, as well as capacity for storing buses between the morning and evening rush periods.

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Today’s announcement marks a significant milestone as the Port Authority moves toward replacing the aging 72-year-old bus terminal with a new world-class facility. The new terminal will be designed to provide a best-in-class customer experience that serves the region’s 21st century public transportation needs, while enhancing the surrounding community and allowing for the removal of intercity buses from local streets.

Foster + Partners and the U.S.-based multi-disciplinary design firm A. Epstein and Sons International Inc. will provide architectural design services for the replacement project beginning immediately and throughout the design phase and the environmental review of the proposed project. The Foster + Partners/Epstein team are both leaders in densely populated urban environments, as well as in designing major transportation facilities.

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”For more than a century, the Port Authority has led the region and the country with its ability to build bigger and better projects that benefit New Yorkers and New Jerseyans alike,” said Port Authority Chairman Kevin O’Toole. “In addition to substantive new redevelopment and transportation projects such as the rebuilding of our airports and the World Trade Center campus, the proposal to build a new Midtown Bus Terminal continues our agency’s essential role of delivering major transportation facility projects that can transform entire neighborhoods and revitalize the regional economy. Today’s news demonstrates real momentum for this critical project.”

“The Port Authority’s selection of this exceptional architectural team shows that we are laser-focused on building a truly visionary world-class facility worthy of the region, prioritizing both bus riders and the community surrounding the bus terminal,” said Port Authority Executive Director Rick Cotton. “We look forward to working closely with the Foster + Partners/Epstein team to reimagine a new commuter and interstate bus terminal complex for the 21st century.”

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”We are delighted to be appointed to the project, continuing to develop and maintain a unified vision for the Midtown Bus Terminal in Manhattan,” said Juan Vieira-Pardo, a partner of Foster + Partners. “Already the world’s busiest bus terminal, the project also has the potential to become the most desirable destination in Midtown. We believe that together with the Port Authority, Epstein, representatives of the surrounding community, stakeholders and passengers, we can help deliver an innovative, state-of-the-art, net zero transportation facility that is fit for the 21st century.”

“We are grateful for the opportunity to align our vision with that of the Port Authority to bring the future of transport and mobility to this vital hub for the entire region,” said Paul Sanderson, the director of Epstein’s New York office. “After over a decade working with local partners to reinvent the Javits Center nearby, we cannot wait to work with the commuters and the community surrounding the bus terminal on this historic project with such transformative potential. The greatest city in the world deserves the best facility in the world, and we aim for no less than that.”

SITE PLAN

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So, potentially two supertalls?

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Originally Posted by pianowizard (Post 9694610)

So, potentially two supertalls?

Looks like three supertalls, based on this rendering, and then the fourth tower is a fat 800-900 ft. tower. But there are no official heights or designs yet. Two of the supertalls would be absolutely enormous, going by this rendering.

The site has the development rights for four huge towers. All could be supertalls. It depends on the developer's plans.

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Originally Posted by pianowizard (Post 9694610)

So, potentially two supertalls?

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9694662)

Yeah, you just have to go by the zoning, as neither the towers nor the bus terminal have been designed yet.

And this is just for zoned usage, meaning the actual size of the towers will be significantly larger. For example, the 3 msf zoned tower, when included mechanical and non floor use areas, would be somewhere between 3.5 and 4 msf overall.

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 9694674)

I think the residential portion of the zoned complex is too small given the high cost of Manhattan housing. And given the amount of office space planned, the complex will probably take more than a decade to complete once started, unless the intent is to construct in phases. I would not be surprised if the review councils push for one or two more residential towers, or one or more mixed used towers.

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Originally Posted by DCReid (Post 9694688)

Yes, obviously this will be built in phases. I also posted the phasing earlier. This is an ENORMOUS development in the middle of the city. Like everything else transit-wise, it should have been built years ago. There are too many bus lines with pickup/drop off locations on the street, blocking pedestrians, and adding the the already chaotic traffic scene.

The residential tower would be about 1 msf, pretty large considering the max FAR on residential allowed in the state, though the governor wants to change that.

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