It reminds me of the 1992-93 Blue Jays run. That did a lot to create a generation of new baseball fans in Canada including many people who did not pay any attention to it at all before then... there were probably a lot of minor league teams in Canada from that era that owed their existence to the Jays World Series frenzy and the run up to it in the early 90s.
It will be interesting to see what the legacy of this Raptors season is... I could see something like this putting some wind in the sails of the minor leagues that have popped up in Canada. As per usual U Sports will totally miss the opportunity to capitalize on basketball-mania, though. |
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https://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball...ship-1.5169195 These sorts of things take a decade or so to show up in sport development. Kids that are watching this Raptors run that want to play basketball or are encouraged to play it more now that the Raptors are gaining so much more visibility are the main outcome. Hockey in California went through this with Gretzky and there were kids coming out of the NCAA that started watching hockey in 93, 94, 95 directly because of Gretzky. |
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I am not in the middle of Raptors-mania right now like I was for Jays-mania. For one of the World Series wins I was actually fairly close to "ground zero". |
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Its odd to me that the CBC jumped on the opportunity to pump up a couple of semi-pro leagues while at the same time totally ignoring USports. Now is this USports fault or the publically funded CBC HQ? My feeling is that its a bit of both. |
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CPL is not semi-pro, if that's what you're referring to. AFAIK it's fully pro. CBC doesn't exactly have the funding to pursue more valuable assets and if CEBL/CPL are providing the video it's easy enough for CBC to just transmit the video onto their streaming platform. USports, AFAIK, does not have that capability. |
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FB live is turning into an easy platform to broadcast from. I just watched the RCN change of command on FB live and former Roughrider PbP voice Rod Pedersen has launched a 2 hour sports talk show on FB live to pretty good reviews. It all looks pretty slick and a decent University broadcast crew could do some real creative work on that platform. |
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It certainly speaks to demand. The Raptors intentionally designed the arena to spur demand, which is something that might have been different had the Leafs been involved a year earlier. I think any team in the heat of the playoffs would draw significantly higher than their capacities (I'm writing this while game 7 of the Stanley Cup is on and they are showing the hockey arena in St Louis full of people watching the game on the screens, and thousands more sitting in the baseball stadium in a downpour watching it on that screen). I remember back in the Blue Jays World Series years, they said they could sell 150,000 seats a game if they had them. |
HUGE tv ratings from game 6 of the NBA finals... cool to see it was something that wasn’t hockey too... happy it was on TSN broadcast too instead of SN
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7.7M average for Game 6 is massive. Spread across TSN/CTV/RDS. I think the ABC affiliate in Canada had 300K outside of that number. Toronto & Hamilton were at 82% share on TSN during the game.
Most watched sporting event in Canada in three years, presumably since the 2016 Rio Olympics. |
The phrase "Canada's team" gets thrown around too often, but in this case - if it looks like a duck...
It'll be biggest sports story in Canada in 2019 by far, and probably the biggest in the last 5 years at least. |
It has been a historic year in sports in general... New England Patriots/Tom Brady being the winningest most Quarterback in history, Tiger Woods winning the Masters, St. Louis Blues first Stanley Cup Championship, TO Raptors first ever title... Pretty crazy really.
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According to this Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...asts_in_Canada there have only been 10 broadcasts in Canada to have more viewers than Game 6 Thursday. 6 were 2010 Winter Oympics (opening and closing, and 4 Canada Mens's hockey games), 2 more were the 2002 and 2014 Olympics gold men's hockey games, Game 7 of the Vancouver-Boston Stanley Cup final in 2011, and the 2015 Super Bowl.
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For someone who has lived through every one of the events noted above, nothing has come close (in any form you want to measure it) to the events below. "Henderson has scored for Canada" Bill Brioux TV Feeds My Family September 30, 2012 I’ve been up at the unplugged cottage, sanding and painting, so was not in front of my laptop Sept. 28 to do the 40th annual salute to St. Paul. A few catch up musings: Henderson’s goal was, without a doubt, the most electrifying thing I ever saw on TV. It is hard to put in context how galvanized Canada was by that ’72 summit series, but we were, coast to coast. As a 15-year-old high school student, it seemed like the Olympics and the Stanley Cup all rolled into one, times eleven. Just the whole exotic, behind-the-iron-curtain part of it ramped things up. Those last four games in Moscow were seen in Canada in the afternoon. Johnny Esaw (or Seesaw, as some called him), our Olympic guy before Brian Williams, added an international TV edge. That last Canadian game in Vancouver, so disappointing, found Esaw on the other end of one of the most real and riveting Canadian TV moments up to that point, Phil Esposito’s raw rant at us sucky fans. That was the turning point, the Rocky moment, the wake up call for everybody to find some balls and get behind this team. There hadn’t been many TV moments like that in Canada before. I remember Judy LaMarsh being caught on camera at the 1968 Liberal leadership convention telling a gaggle of fellow candidates, “Let’s get this bastard”—meaning Trudeau. That was a moment. Other than that, most of those live, candid TV moments had been American. The ‘60s brought so many—Johnson’s dramatic decision not to run in ’68, the Democratic National Convention in Chicago that same year, the assassination, war and race riot reports, and of course, the moon landing. In Canada, up to that point, the big TV hot button had been the flag debate. Canada was all Hinterland Who’s Who. Gordon Sinclair asking Elaine Tanner on Front Page Challenge if her period got in the way of her Olympic swims was the biggest WTF moment. The ’72 series gripped the nation because it was hockey, because it was our best vs. their best, because it was a Cold War sub story, East vs. West, their training and system vs. our drinking and taking the summer off system. The shock to Canada’s pride after that first game was withering. I’d never seen my dad look so ill. Here was our chance to show those upstart Ruskie’s who the hockey boss is and we got our jock straps handed to us. For many Canadians, colour TV was still fairly new. To see live broadcasts from the Soviet Union added to the mystique. And then there was Henderson. The straight arrow Toronto Maple Leaf. The helmet wearer. The unlikeliest of heroes. His three straight game winning goals in Moscow is all he needs to get into the Hockey Hall of Fame. Wake up, HofF dummies. If you were a high school student, the Moscow games shoved everything else aside. Kids hid tiny transistor radios up their arms with headphones in their ears and passed along scores and penalties row by row. Teachers who caught them would demand they turn their damn radios up. By the eighth and final game, my high school was one of many which basically gave up. They did the unprecedented--gave us a day off to watch a hockey game. And who could blame them? All of Canada came to a dead stop (even if no one in most of the rest of the world gave a crap.) There were six or seven of us at my parent’s house on Dundas Street. The Clairtone was new and we were all glued to the game. When Canada was behind 5-3 heading into the third and final period (there would be no overtime), we all felt sick. It was like being in a tiny life boat in the middle of the churning ocean. The grand old man of hockey, Foster Hewitt, had come back to make this last call and he stretched those Russian names the same way he re-invented Corn-why-eh, but that didn’t matter. Him calling the games also made it epic. With those seconds ticking down, we were all standing, leading, praying. “Henderson makes a wild stab for it and fell.” You could see those guys were on the ropes with Canada storming back to tie the score. When Hewitt said, “Henderson scores for Canada!” that house on Dundas shook. We all leapt for the ceiling. We ran outside and screamed. It didn’t seem real. A few years ago when the Canadian men’s team won the Olympic gold medal CTV put out a release stating that was the most-watched TV moment ever in Canada. This is horseshit. There is no comparison. First of all the new ratings system introduced just prior to the Vancouver Games was still counting goldfish in the next room. Second, there were fewer entertainment distractions in 1972. There was no HBO or TSN or even CNN, just what you could pull in between channels two and 13 on the dial. City-TV was days old and you still needed a coat hanger and some tin foil to pull in their iffy UHF signal. There was no XBox or even a Betamax VHS machine attached to your parent's French Provincial set. The reality is there was no way to estimate how many Canadians tuned in in ’72. There were no overnights as ratings results came in weeks later. Up until the ‘90s, Global was still taking their Ontario estimate and doubling it to get the national score. The number, basically, was everybody. You weren’t going to miss this, and you would never forget it. Paul Henderson was our Neil Armstrong, and we were all over the moon. |
Not sure the '72 Canada Cup is a fair comparison, since there so much less viewing options for Canadians (everyone really) back then. There were only so many channels, and a lot less entertainment options (sports or otherwise). It was easier to draw the masses in for big events because there was very little to compete against.
It's like when comparisons are made for movie boxoffice and Gone with the Wind is touted as having the largest domestic boxoffice draw (inflation adjusted). It's probably pretty accurate, but it's also easier to accomplish when you're pretty much the only game in town in 1939. Sure, 1972 isn't 1939 - but there's still a big difference between 1972 and 2019. Now those Raptor ratings - are they including (via some sort of estimation/formula) the large amounts of people watching at Jurassic Parks and arenas/stadiums? And of course, there's internet streaming - which probably accounts for a respectable chunk since the NBA has one of the younger fanbases compared to other sports. |
I admittedly watched the ABC feed as I find TSN/SN biased as hell. I did switch to SN when the Raptors won. Would that go down as a view for ABC if I'm watching in Canada?
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Either way, biggest sports event in Canada since likely the 2010 Olympics or, to put it another way: of the last decade. |
Breakdown for Raptors Finals game 6:
TSN: 4.9M CTV: 2.3M RDS: 500K English-Canada total for Game 7 of the SCF was 2.6M. https://brioux.tv/blog/2019/06/15/ct...ratings-glory/ |
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As a point of comparison, regular season Habs games generally draw between 750,000-1 million viewers in Quebec. Playoff games are between 2.5 and 3.5 million. It's not impossible that in spite of Raptors fever reaching Quebec that the Bruins-Blues final had higher ratings. I can't find any but in previous years Game 7 of the Stanley Cup on RDS or TVA Sports usually topped 1 million. Regular season Alouettes games are in the 200-250,000 range. Impact games are a bit lower, in the 150-200,00 range. When the Alouettes are in the Grey Cup they'll top 1 million. The Grey Cup without the Alouettes is around 150,000. When the Impact made their Champions League run against Mexican clubs they were in the 500,000 range. The Super Bowl easily tops 1 million in Quebec. Grand Prix auto racing generally tops 500,000 even with crappy time slots (Sunday mornings) for most of the races. Races with better time slots can be in the 1 million range. |
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We're in the last year of F1 on TSN under the current agreement. Can't imagine it stays there after 2019. |
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Chris Dunne @Chris_Dunne 11 hours ago
Canadian Ratings Raps Regular Season Average Viewership - Approx 500k (est) Raps Round 1 - Approx 800K Raps Round 2 - Approx 1.1 million Raps Round 3 - Approx 2.1 million NBA Finals - Approx 4 million (est) NBA Finals Game 6 - 7.7 million #WeTheNorh #NBAFinal2019 #Raptors |
https://business.financialpost.com/n...e-french-fries
McDonald’s reveals the damage of Raptors’ historic run: more than 2.5 million free french fries Response to the Ontario promotion nearly quadrupled McDonald's forecast, totalling more than half a million in the playoffs alone ... McDonald’s chose to partner with the Raptors, and not the Toronto Maple Leafs, because they thought Raptors fans were more inclined to use the app. “The Raptors demographic and fan base is much more digital native than say a team like the Toronto Maple Leafs,” Chuck Coolen, head of marketing for Eastern Canada, told the Financial Post earlier this month. |
https://torontosun.com/sports/baseba...-historic-lows
Yes, as Canada Day weekend approaches, the Blue Jays are midway through one of the worst attended seasons in franchise history, with their struggles at the gate mirroring those on the field. Through the 38 home dates thus far, a disheartening run of baseball in which they’ve struggled to a 13-25 mark on their own turf, the Jays are averaging a mere 20,420 per game. That’s already the third worst in Rogers Centre history, but well within range of eclipsing the low-water mark of 19,173 set in 2010. Perhaps more stark, the current average is less than half the 41,878 that filled the aging dome as recently as 2015, the first of back-to-back seasons in which the Jays led the American League in attendance. --------- Not overly surprising given MLB's cyclical nature. |
Attendance Averages so far:
College Wood Bat Summer Baseball Wheat City Whiskey Jacks (Brandon, Manitoba) - Expedition League : 347 Thunder Bay Border Cats - Northwoods League : 826 Victoria Harbourcats - West Coast League : 2,381 Western Canadian Baseball League attendance link: http://baseball.pointstreak.com/atte...seasonid=32263 Independent Baseball Winnipeg Goldeyes - American Association: 3,625 (5,705 in 2012) Ottawa Champions - CanAm League: 1,586 Quebec Capitales - CanAm League: 1,460 Trois Rivieres Aigles - CanAm League: 1,326 Canadian Elite Basketball League is averaging roughly 1,658 people per game according to user ThatOtherGuy on CEBL's reddit page. It's going to be tough to sustain a cross country league with those kind of numbers. |
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with the continuing increase in immigration to canada's major urban centres it really feels like the old traditional sports in canada are in decline or dying ie: hockey, baseball, and football while basketball, soccer and even cricket and rugby are growing in popularity.
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The Jays have done zippo to capitalize on that 2 year run in 2015-16. They brought in the Cleveland crew as President and GM, who have also done nothing to endear themselves to the fans. Alex put together a winning team for the first time in decades and then he's gone. People were pissed. The new guys had no personality, certainly not like Beeston and Alex.
Rogers is also way over extended on that ridiculous NHL rights deal that they can't afford to do anything with the Jays. What happened to the big renovation at the dome, which was one of the main reasons Shapiro was brought in (due to his experience re-imagining the Indians ballpark)? They are cutting salary wherever they can (hell, they even fired their premier media personality in Bob McCown). Fortunately they are only just above a third of MLSE or that parade last week would never have happened either. Blue Jays attendance history has shown that they draw well when they are competitive, and they don't draw well when they aren't (outside of the obvious novelty of the early seasons, in that crappy stadium). But this is the problem when a public corporation runs a sports team. An owner can tell his baseball people to ratchet up the spending and make a run and it's his or her money, not affecting shareholders. |
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Other teams will get squeezed out of the market before the Jays are. Junior hockey has already been squeezed out of Toronto. |
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Expect the jays attendance to dwindle in the coming years too due too poor performance, but people will always reason it is simply due to poor product on the field. That logic simply does not suffice for the CFL tho, apparently. |
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The difference between the Jays and the CFL is that the Jays don't rely on gate receipts as heavily as CFL teams do - their revenues are more weighted on both corporate and broadcast, meaning that smaller crowds don't necessarily hurt the team as much as they would hurt a CFL team. This is only strictly looking at physical crowds, though. There are obviously other ways to gauge revenue generation beyond simply butts in seats. Baseball's in this weird spot right now where they are going to have to come up with ideas on getting people out to games, changing the schedule, or altering the sport to continue garnering interest. It's quickly losing ground on others. |
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And as mentioned, the Argos won the Grey Cup twice in the last 7 years, and won just 2 years ago. Losing isn't the problem - it's the product. |
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From that article: “From a business perspective, we try to understand the fans. We don’t get focused on (team performance.) It’s more on (finding a way of) impacting fans in a positive manner and looking for ways for the fan base to be excited about the environment.” lol what?! If the team is not competitive and they are playing in the 2nd worst facility in all of MLB, it is pretty hard to impact fans in a positive manner. Oh, and having ticket prices that actually reflect the demand in the market would help to. Miller and Shapiro have failed badly at this. $120 for seats by the foul poles, $70 bleacher seats (probably the worst bleacher seats in all of baseball) for a Canada Day game that may have its worst attendance since the days of Exhibition Stadium. It's reveals how badly they gauged the market or perhaps they are completely out of touch. Many of their games are outrageously priced despite having one of the worst lineups in MLB. It will be interesting to see if they will drop prices for most games next season or if they will continue to live in denial about the lack of demand. It will also be interesting if Rogers will put pressure on them to sign some free agents (unfortunately with Shapiro in charge that likely means signing some over-the-hill player or a player who had those one or two good seasons a few years back with the hope of him rediscovering that magic on a "value contract) to bring the team back to the realm of "competitiveness." If they just continue to rely on value signings and draft and develop strategy, it is likely the attendance will decline to 15,000 next season. |
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Berkie, you posted that I get upset when people don't like what I like, that's not true, I get upset when non sports fans use the bullshit "not the best" argument. That screams to me, not a fan but a water cooler talk wannabe who doesn't have enough scope to enjoy sport at all levels. You sure as hell wouldn't see an American football fan doing that. |
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That's what gets me, there are tons of people who could care less if the Argos failed, the oldest pro franchise in North America (or something to that effect) and even worse some campaign for it to fail. I can't understand that. I would never want the Impact to fail and I don't have much interest in following MLS regularly.
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I can like leagues X, Y and Z. Liking X doesn't preclude me from liking Y or Z. Nor will league X failing cause its fans to immediately jump ship to Y and Z. I can like both the sushi place and the steakhouse in my town. They compete in the sense that they're restaurants, but I imagine they each have a clientele that may (or may not) have taste overlap. |
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