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What if they doubled the height of the LIRR storage yard and built a lead ramp and built terminal station platforms for LIRR so capacity could be freed up in Penn? Some LIRR (and M-N once ESA is done) could terminate at a new Hudson Yards terminal after slipping around Penn to the south on a new bypass track. Just a thought. I wonder if MTA has even thought of this? If logistics require maybe the current at grade yard could be converted to platforms and the storage yard above.
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Perhaps it was a tremendous oversight to not essentially create a concourse running from Penn all the way 11th ave.
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There was however planning for pedestrian movement and circulation through the Hudson Yards area. It's where Moynihan and Manhattan West come in... https://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1...T3R9YTh.z1.JPG Captured nicely through this Manhattan West animation... |
If the High Line will have 700' of wall on its eastern side, couldn't they cantilever the structure above and alongside where the platform meets the High Line and incorporate retail beneath, all along the High Line itself? I wonder if that would make financial as well as structural sense.
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https://gothamist.com/news/hudson-ya...adow-high-line Hudson Yards Developer Denies Planning A Wall That Would Overshadow The High Line BY ELIZABETH KIM JAN. 15, 2020 Quote:
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Isn't this part of the phase supposed to contain 17 million square feet?
It doesn't really look it from the renderings, and I'm surprised they're so short if they each average over 2MSF. :shrug: I feel like they should go for a signature tower here but it seems that's not in the plans unfortunately. I hope the designs are interesting though to balance out the other boxy buildings. |
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well that doesn't look like a wall. maybe they are backpedaling, but whatever.
kind of surprized at the waste of space between the railyard property and the highline in that render. looks like a gap there between them. i had thought they were supposed to abut each other with open access points? so even though views are kept, the western yard community is still walled off from the public in a sense. |
This wall hysteria is just comical. Even if the storage yard cap did lead to the necessity for a likely very handsome wall next to the High Line it likely would have terraced and stepped down to meet it with grand staircases and interesting bridges. I'm likely to think that had there not been such a ridiculous pushback to the very notion the end product probably would have been a lot more architecturally intriguing that what will wind up being built.
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The issue with the High Line and the railyards is that the High Line is well above the railyards, but the western edge of the railyards is at street level. So like it or not, that “wall” covering the rails was always going to be there, and is still going to be there. The difference is a matter of perception. You can see in that last rendering, a slope towards the HL, but from the street you’ll still need access to get up to that park.
By the way, even though it’s not perceived as a wall, the southside of 15 Hudson may as well be... https://images.adsttc.com/media/imag...jpg?1362071321 https://www.archdaily.com/337960/dil...new-york-photo https://media.timeout.com/images/105.../472/image.jpg |
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Isn't there a height limit for this phase though? If there are 8 towers they might be kinda fat. |
I remember reading something that said about or close to 1/2 of the square footage of Hudson Yards will rise in Phase II. So with the park cutting the available land to build, we could be looking at some very bulky residential towers for Phase II.
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Future generations will have no idea of all those train lines under the complex. I can see some lame Di$ney movie showing wide eyed brats uncovering an alien civilization under there or something equally inane.
I'm sure that trash flick will make a billion Dollars. |
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Just consider all of the buildings built around and north of Grand Central. Nobody thinks of those as being above a railyard, but that's exactly what they are. We'll get an opening into that when 270 Park is demolished. |
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Some screen shots:
https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/busin...694acbc83.jpeg https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/busin...9275e3217.jpeg :cheers: |
I don't see much excitement just a group of shiny buildings thrown together. It desperately needed that Hudson Spire.
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Yeah they are place holders. I believe Phase II will add as much or close to as much square footage in Phase I allocated between mixed used and residential. There is the park as well, which will cut down on the total building footprint, but hey... no complaints on my end, I think the elongated park is a nice touch.
We could in theory gain another super tall or two, so we'll see what happens once working designs get revealed. I don't expect it to eclipse Phase I with respect to magnitude, but it will still be quite dominant if they are going to cram that much sq-footage on the remaining yards. |
That truck trailer parking lot on 34th south of Javits should be turned into a lawn for the High Line.
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Its a shame Javits couldn't be relocated or maybe even modified to build a top of it. The foot print is quite massive, and that could of been like a mini Hudson Yards light
From 34th to 40th parallel to 11th/12th... huge opportunity and a ton of land in theory. With the renovation/expansion of Javits, its highly unlikely, but would of been a good prospect. There's a Manhattan Mini Storage within the area that should be replaced as well IMO. |
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That's exactly what they are, and have been around for at least 5 years. If and when we see actual proposals for the sites, keep in mind that, just like the first phase, the designs will vary before anything is actually built. It's pretty much this... https://a4.pbase.com/g9/06/102706/2/...6.dIlzoCKB.jpg https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/busin...694acbc83.jpeg Quote:
https://market.javitscenter.com/new-...javits-center/ The state will then bid that land out for redevelopment. |
Yeah and they should be developed into a lawn.
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https://patch.com/new-york/midtown-n...d-phase-report Swanky Hudson Yards Wants $1B In Federal Cash To Expand The loan would fund the construction of a platform over the existing rail yard that would prop up more skyscraper developments. By Brendan Krisel, Patch Staff Feb 25, 2020 Quote:
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I try to imagine how any of this would have played out had Moses's expressway been built...
https://nyc-urbanism.tumblr.com/ https://66.media.tumblr.com/59e8fdfb...upho1_1280.jpg |
Screw Robert Moses. That is all :)
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Hands off my truck yard, lawn enthusiasts! :superwhip
That's where the Megatall is going! |
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Wow those are very tall, hope we get more details soon. Loving it so far
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Hard to judge on something like that. Here''s Ross talking about the second phase a few years ago...
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people had a fit about the parking garage wall-off fiasco, and rightly so, but according to that render/model pic the west side highline is covered over by one or even two apt towers.
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It's always been like that. But that's the way the High Line winds its way up Manhattan, so I doubt it would be too much of an issue. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOVNMMrWAAEGAZI.jpg https://d3roppooboxrdw.cloudfront.ne...20160504143059 https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=...AAAAAdAAAAABAD https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...t_building.jpg https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=...AAAAAdAAAAABAD |
Looks like a Gehry in the back (office tower) and 2 Calatrava towers in the middle, including the tallest. Still can't judge much on the designs from this depiction.
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The highest one looks 1050 ish feet, doesn't look like a very official or accurate model though. I could be mistaken but isn't there a height limit for this phase?
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Nice! Is that just a concept?
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Hopefully there will be some 11-1150' ish buildings, the highest one above looks about that. Regardless this is going to be awesome. |
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As for the heights, the general agreemant is for a sloped phase towards the waterfront, the talllest towers on the eastern half. But generally speaking, I don’t see any of those towers being taller than 30 Hudson to begin with. |
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The observation deck at 30 Hudson was only open for a couple of days before the pandemic forced closures, so I haven't been able to get up there. But in this video clip, at about 2:20, you get a look at that particular piece...
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i'm scared. :uhh:
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When render studios take a stab at being Architects lol.
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