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Architype Jul 9, 2020 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by YUNEMUS (Post 8976353)
68.61 mi (110.42 km) between 49th - 48th parallel

That would put the 48th hypothetical border at the northern point of Everett Wash., a northern suburb of Seattle. Somewhere around a million people live between there and the Canadian border. If this territory were part of Canada, that population would be higher as an extension of the Lower Mainland, increasing the flat land area by more than 50%; this would be more valuable to Canada than it is to the US as a population draw. This might have added 2 to 3 million in additional population to the Vancouver area.

Dr Awesomesauce Jul 10, 2020 12:28 AM

Just whipped up a new border. I was very greedy... :tup:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...095de9aa_b.jpg

YUNEMUS Jul 10, 2020 3:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce (Post 8976446)
Just whipped up a new border. I was very greedy... :tup:

it is nice, even if it seems a bit exaggerated..:)

:tup::tup:

casper Jul 10, 2020 3:48 AM

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Originally Posted by YUNEMUS (Post 8976576)
it is nice, even if it seems a bit exaggerated..:)

:tup::tup:

Us Canadians are overly accommodating. We should have claimed Oregon and Idaho. We could give in on Idaho if the US does not make a fuss over Washington and Oregon.

Architype Jul 10, 2020 5:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce (Post 8976446)
Just whipped up a new border. I was very greedy... :tup:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...095de9aa_b.jpg

Seems complicated, needs a legal description. This is much more than the OP meant, a large bit of Hamerica, but mostly uninhabited except for Washington.

Architype Jul 10, 2020 5:24 AM

The History of British Columbia by Sam Sullivan is pertinent here.

Video Link

Metro-One Jul 10, 2020 5:54 AM

On the flip side what would have happened if the US followed through with 54.40?

Then The entire southern half of BC would be the US and Canada would only have a tiny sliver of Pacific access near Prince Rupert.

PS, really like that border above ;)

lio45 Jul 10, 2020 6:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Metro-One (Post 8976641)
PS, really like that border above ;)

The only weird thing about it is how it gives NE Ontario (North Bay, Timmins...) to Quebec for some reason.

At least Sault Ste-Marie would eventually start to get pronounced correctly again under that scenario. ;)

Denscity Jul 10, 2020 6:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Architype (Post 8976628)
The History of British Columbia by Sam Sullivan is pertinent here.

Video Link

Sweet thanks for sharing that. Most people don't know our history.

YUNEMUS Jul 10, 2020 7:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Architype (Post 8976621)
Seems complicated, needs a legal description. This is much more than the OP meant, a large bit of Hamerica, but mostly uninhabited except for Washington.

I actually meant something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/2kVVbsLS/USACanada-Print-Text.jpg

MolsonExport Jul 10, 2020 3:12 PM

Not much of note in that expansion. quelques arpents de neige.

MonctonRad Jul 10, 2020 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport (Post 8976863)
Not much of note in that expansion. quelques arpents de neige.

Ah, a disciple of Voltaire I see......... :)

Actually, If we were to be completely intellectually honest regarding the map posted above by YUNEMUS, the boundary would actually deviate northward a bit in southern Alberta, as the extreme southern part of that province lies in the Mississippi basin, and thus would have been part of the Louisiana Purchase.

Acajack Jul 10, 2020 3:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad (Post 8976893)
Ah, a disciple of Voltaire I see......... :)

Actually, If we were to be completely intellectually honest regarding the map posted above by YUNEMUS, the boundary would actually deviate northward a bit in southern Alberta, as the extreme southern part of that province lies in the Mississippi basin, and thus would have been part of the Louisiana Purchase.

The Mississippi/Gulf of Mexico drainage basin also extends into southern Saskatchewan. I wonder if Maple Creek is in it?

If so, that might explain the exceptional climatological conditions there!

MonctonRad Jul 10, 2020 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 8976929)
The Mississippi/Gulf of Mexico drainage basin also extends into southern Saskatchewan. I wonder if Maple Creek is in it?

If so, that might explain the exceptional climatological conditions there!

It likely does!!!

I wonder how the Maple Creek banana harvest is going? :)

hipster duck Jul 10, 2020 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Metro-One (Post 8976641)
On the flip side what would have happened if the US followed through with 54.40?

Then The entire southern half of BC would be the US and Canada would only have a tiny sliver of Pacific access near Prince Rupert.

PS, really like that border above ;)

Then Canada would have been an Atlantic country. Anything north of 54 is unarable boreal forest all the way until Alberta. Halifax and the Maritimes would have more power (although they got the shaft almost immediately after Confederation, and before there was any useful Pacific port to speak of).

Prince Rupert would be one of those super remote cities of about 150,000 people that is a country’s only presence on a coast, kind of like Darwin, Australia (but with a way worse climate). Building a rail line there would not have been a 19th century priority, and we’d either ship things to Asia via the Panama Canal, or just let the Americans handle it for us.

We might have developed the oil sands, but since most of the easy southern Alberta reserves that were historically developed first would be in the States, we wouldn’t have had much of a homegrown energy industry to develop it.

YUNEMUS Jul 10, 2020 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad (Post 8976893)
Ah, a disciple of Voltaire I see......... :)

Actually, If we were to be completely intellectually honest regarding the map posted above by YUNEMUS, the boundary would actually deviate northward a bit in southern Alberta, as the extreme southern part of that province lies in the Mississippi basin, and thus would have been part of the Louisiana Purchase.

If you check the red river basin you will see that it is larger area . But I took just half of it on the map.
So land distribution has been equal on the map




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https://i.postimg.cc/L4LrjPPv/territ...quisitions.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/cLRmZ6TJ/B.png


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lio45 Jul 10, 2020 6:12 PM

Can't help but notice the 1803 purchase territory can be approximated as a single climatic zone that would most aptly be named "The Maple Creek/New Orleans Climate".

Dr Awesomesauce Jul 11, 2020 1:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lio45 (Post 8976655)
The only weird thing about it is how it gives NE Ontario (North Bay, Timmins...) to Quebec for some reason.

At least Sault Ste-Marie would eventually start to get pronounced correctly again under that scenario. ;)

I spent about 3 minutes thinking about it. NE Ontario is mostly francophone, is it not? That doesn't mean it should necessarily be a part of Quebec, of course. I did feel that NW Ontario should likely become a part of Manitoba or be its own thing, however...

Acajack Jul 11, 2020 1:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce (Post 8977559)
I spent about 3 minutes thinking about it. NE Ontario is mostly francophone, is it not? .

Not really. It's about 25% francophone.

The northernmost portion of it is close to 50% though.

lio45 Jul 11, 2020 2:05 AM

I can personally vouch for (my random sample of) Hearst being 100% francophone :tup: (and also 33% black).


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