Oh, I see now. Okay.
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I'd love to see something like that happen. But considering that this is New York and space is at a premium, first you'd have to find a replacement site for Madison Square Garden (maybe in Hudson Yards over the rails). Just a guess on my part, but you'd also probably need to incorporate office space above the great hall, just as MSG is above that location now. It could be done... I'm not an engineer, but consider a vaulted ceiling to support a building above this space while allowing for plenty of light to come in, like the great cathedrals of Europe.
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Finding a new spot for the stadium, I don't think would be such a difficult job, it's more demolishing and building a new stadium
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^^^ Oh yes, everywhere besides Manhattan I meant.
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Are you sure there are no old buildings nearby that could be demolished to house an arena + tower above? I can't believe it. There are plenty of large low rise structures on the west side near Penn Station.
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^^ An arena is wide enough that it can't fit into one block. There would have to be a street closure, which complicates things massively.
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One possibility that would have a minimum of disruption would be to have the MSG and Brookfield do a sight swap. MSG gets to stay near Penn station, and Brookfield gets oodles of air rights. New Yorkers get a masterpiece station. Win-win for everyone.
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Ironically, the Brookfield site was potentially home for NBA headquarters, but that site is zoned for over 5 msf, making a swap unfeasible. What you would have is a replay of the current MSG blocking unused development rights. http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77418257/original.jpg Here's a look at what a new Farley/Moynihan inside the Farley would look like... http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/93450455/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/93825631/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/86828840/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/86828837/original.jpg |
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That proposal would take care of a lot of the concerns that people have, aesthetic and practical ones. But I was wondering what New Yorkers thought about having the main Basketball franchise of the city call a former post office their home? I just think the Knicks have a big more swag than that... |
^^ I don't see why a post office is any less swag-tastic than an ugly modernist toilet bowl. If there's any swag to be had in the architecture, it's in the clubhouse, not the facade.
Does anybody actually think MSG is attractive? Obviously the interior's been remodeled numerous times, but the exterior is still pretty awful, and it's crowded out by all the Penn Station entrances. MSG is an outdated inefficient arena sitting on top of an outdated, inefficient rail station. It's really a lose-lose and any option that doesn't move MSG elsewhere will result in a sub-par station. The tunnels are laid out such that the platforms are more or less centered between 8th and 7th, although some of them go a bit further west - that's why the West End Concourse is possible. The solution shown in NYguy's renderings is perfect - a dedicated headhouse on each side of 8th Avenue, with MSG in the west part of Farley (where it's not above platforms) and a reclad/renovated Two Penn Plaza. I think the architecture could use some work, but the concept is exactly right for New York. One thing I've never heard discussed is where the postal functions would go. Obviously, that's an important service that needs to remain somewhere in the city. |
As I recall there is a big post office or dispatch or something just south of the rail yards. I'm not sure what it is but its almost 2 city blocks and there are postal service trucks and loading docks there, so I assume they're fine.
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The one with all the towers is absolutely beautiful.
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Ok, I'm almost convinced. How bout moving the garden two blocks west - between 10th and 11th over the rail yards. It would replace a dead block and it would be right next to the high line. Picture a retrofuturistic red brick, brass, and oxydated bronze arena complex sitting adjacent to the High line with all the galleries and alternative nightlife in the area. Could make for a pretty sick revitalization kick-start for the Hudson Yards |
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