Um, the mixed income housing and school is still part of the plan. It's as walkable in its current form as it was in the previous form. The "fucking casino" will generate much more revenue for the city and state (for things like schools, transit, etc.) than any more condo buildings will, which in case you hadn't noticed, aren't rising. And won't rise anytime soon.

All of those are still part of the plan...

It's interesting that people are complaining about Related's plan to cut back on the amount of luxury condos it plans to build. Nowhere in New York City are they demanding more luxury condos be built. But the NIMBYs here are special. The one argument they could be making is that Related should offer more affordable units, but the fact that they haven't shows you they don't really care about that. Meanwhile, Hudson Yards remains the most expensive neighborhood in the city, and that's saying a lot...


https://www.propertyshark.com/Real-E...neighborhoods/


Related has said it would take some time to build all of those luxury residential units, and you can see why. Meanwhile, commercial has done and continues to do very well for them in the Hudson Yards.

I hope that a casino is never built here (rather in Times Square). They should stick to the original plan (affordable housing). New office space should rather be built on Park Ave, there is still enough demand there. 350, 175 Park Ave and 45 east 45th Street should be just the beginning.

But given the problem of affordable units and luxury units, why not consider the idea of ​​a single large tower of 1,700 ft tall with 3 million square feet, which includes offices, luxury apartments and a hotel. A Wynn casino in the shape of a sphere, a park and the rest spaces for affordable units and schools. It would cost less and there would be less and useless controversy. It could work... :)

I guess I really don't understand the backlash to casinos. Bars are on every corner and alcohol is a much more widespread and damaging vice compared to gambling?

there is no way someone is going to pay for covering over a railyard and then just put up affordable housing. come on now.

I don’t understand what people are not getting about the difference between the 2 plans, but it’s basically more commercial space and less condos. That’s it.

- the same number of affordable housing units will be built (which makes it an increase, percentage wise)

- the same amount of seats will be built at the school

- the amount of office space is the same.

As I’ve said, the only thing they cut was the amount of luxury units. And frankly, so what? There will be luxury condos built all over the city. The difference is you can blend that into existing neighborhoods. No neef to make the Hudson Yards any more of a gated community in feel than it already is.

The condos have been a harder sell, and the office has done VERY well for Related. The City foresaw this, which is what the HY is really about.

As far as the NIMBY backlash to casinos, its what they do. People play the lottery and gamble on phones every day. States profit GREATLY from it. If NIMBYsfind it personally objectionable for different reasons, the have the option to boycott the casinos. And any related entertainment or dining venues.

Has anyone been inside the mall recently? I went in today and it's a complete warzone. So many stores blocked off and under construction. I know that Wells Fargo is taking up the top stories, but is anyone know anything more about whats going on in the lower floors?

If you've been in recently, you've got the gist of it. Not really worth creating an account for.

A lot to look at here. First a comparison of the site plans...



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I feel like the only thing I really do dislike about this design, is actually the office tower. I really really hope they don't go with that design because it's so basic and boring for a tower that tall, and being among the tallest at the Hudson Yards site, I'd hope to see it would have a more interesting crown. Maybe something to compliment 30 Hudson Yards.

Is there a link to the original video?

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Needs more street level retail. This is Manhattan.

It has some street level retail, but the real issue is that they should really be building more on the railyards. Both phases, and even Manhattan West are underbuilt using even the basic Midtown FAR. That's the reason there's so much open space, and why it feels so different from the rest of Manhattan. But the NIMBYs had to be appeased. Which means they should be told to fuck off now.

One other thing, though Related classifies the earlier plan as having 6 towers (as opposed to the 3 now), it was really 8 because two of the sites featured 2 towers with a shared base.



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I don't think they need any more retail at the base. If you want retail, just walk a few blocks away. The open space is a respite to streets and cityscape that can get supercrowded and overwhelming at times. Since the streetscape is not developed organically but as a full complex, it would be hard to expect it to be like the rest of Manhattan's blocks. And at least they are not destroying neighborhoods or making stark superblocks with superbland buildings and useless plazas like they did in the 60s/70s 'urban renewal' phase.

He's saying it needs street retail because that's what activates Manhattan streets, which is why it's required in all of the buildings in Hudson Yards - it doesn't have a tradition of foot traffic.

As for a "respite" from the city, one of the largest parks in Manhattan - Hudson River Park - is right there. As is the High Line Park. People who want a respite from the city don't flock to the location of some of the tallest towers in the city.

I don't think retail at the base makes much sense given that the whole neighborhood is built around a shopping mall at its center.