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NYguy

Jul 12, 2024 7:56 PM

NYguy

Jul 13, 2024 3:03 AM

More of this nonsens...

https://focusgn.com/opposition-mount...asino-proposal

Opposition mounts against Wynn NYC casino proposal
The proposal includes plans for a 1,180-foot apartment tower

07/12/24

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Alan van Capelle, executive director of the nonprofit, said the proposed 200-foot skyscraper near the western end of the High Line would look like stacked Costco warehouses and obstruct views.

Critics also argue that the casino would generate strong winds and cast long shadows that could negatively impact on local businesses.

https://www.playny.com/high-line-lau...rn-rail-yards/

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The High Line, a nonprofit organization and a public park in Manhattan, launched a campaign this week to ensure that the Wynn New York City project on the Western Rail Yards essentially does not happen.

In a press release, High Line noted that its campaign would make sure that any development “protects the iconic nature and experience” of the area.

The Wynn casino proposal, however, “would negatively impact the experience of millions of visitors and obstruct important and iconic views from the High Line.”

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According to the release, “scores of community leaders and grassroots supporters” have joined the campaign, including co-op board members, block association presidents, and tenant leaders.

Sally Greenspan, president of the Council of Chelsea Block Associations, underscored the “serious housing crisis” faced by Chelsea, one that will not be solved with the proposed Wynn New York City project that will feature an 80-story hotel tower with the gaming facility, another tower for apartments, and a third tower for offices, all surrounding a 5.6-acre park.

“Chelsea needs more housing, not more office space and CCBA opposes the potential inclusion of a casino,” Greenspan said in the press release. “CCBA supports the Protect the High Line campaign to get the Rail Yards plan back on track.”

NYguy

Jul 15, 2024 12:41 AM

Related feels pretty good about the bid...

https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/busine...adison-avenue/

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Related Companies to build 1,200-foot skyscraper on Madison Avenue

By Steve Cuozzo
Published July 14, 2024

Although it might seem to put Blau on the political hot seat as Related tackles the challenge of winning state approval for a casino license at Hudson Yards, Blau characterized it as essentially a “formality.”

...the most ambitious item on Related’s Big Apple agenda is its proposal to build a 3 million-square-foot, Wynn-branded casino resort on Hudson Yards’ still undeveloped western side.

Blau couldn’t contain his enthusiasm for Related’s $12 billion plan to finally build out the entire western yard.

“It certainly doesn’t get any bigger than this,” Blau said. As The Post first reported last summer, the resort skyscraper would contain a 250,000 square-foot casino, a 1,700-key hotel and twenty restaurants.

The western yard plan also includes a two million square-foot office tower, a one million square-foot apartment tower to include 324 affordable units, a new public school and a near 6-acre public park – “larger than Bryant Park,” Blau said.

But it’s up to the New York State Gaming Facility Location Board, which expects to select a winning proposal of ten-odd submissions for a casino license in New York City by the end of 2025.

State officials are eager to see the completion of Related’s entire 26-acre Hudson Yards site. But other casino-partnership proposals also promise extensive neighborhood benefits.

He downplayed recent objections by Friends of the High Line over the height of a podium on which the casino/hotel tower would stand, saying Related has met with the group ten times in the past year and made modifications to the design.

ChiND

Jul 15, 2024 7:51 PM

It’s good news that Related is confident. Their proposal is incredible.

Doubleu1117

Jul 16, 2024 12:06 AM

It's a good bid, and it doesn't hurt that I'm sure the state would love to put a nice bow on Hudson Yards and this get's that done. Should easily be 1 of the 3 selection.

NYguy

Jul 16, 2024 12:15 AM

^ It should be, especially if they're following their own criterial. But never underestimate the foolishness of people who are empowered to make decisions.

ChiND

Jul 20, 2024 2:32 AM

The Wynn tower reminds me of the proposed Tribune tower.

https://www.casino.org/news/wp-conte...es-302x200.jpg
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https://images.skyscrapercenter.com/...cim-group2.jpg

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NYguy

Jul 23, 2024 2:49 AM

https://nypost.com/2024/07/22/us-new...ne-experience/

West Side pols oppose Hudson Yards casino they fear would ‘alter’ the High Line ‘experience’

By Carl Campanile
July 22, 2024

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Two state legislators representing Manhattan’s West Side are opposing Related Companies/Wynn’s plan to erect a glittering casino in Hudson Yards near the High Line.

“I’ve been clear: I’m philosophically opposed to a casino on the west side of Manhattan. The community has been against it, and unless that changes, I’m a no,” said Assemblyman Tony Simone.

Simone will serve on the six-member local panel whose job will be to vote on whether to recommend the proposed casino to state officials.

Assemblywoman Deborah Glick, who chairs the Assembly’s Environmental Conservation Committee, said in a statement provided to The Post, “The High Line is a unique and beloved park intended to get New Yorkers and visitors outside and above the congested streets and sidewalks.

“Any plans that block views from this distinctive vantage point or allow for building closer to the High Line run counter to the High Line Special District and would significantly alter the experience,” she said.

Tourists walking along the High Line, an elevated train line converted to a public park and walkway, would wander directly past the site and could enter the massive resort between West 30th Street and 33rd streets and 11th and 12 avenues.

But backers of the High Line said the proposal would obstruct important and iconic views from the elevated park and walkway.

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Related Companies, in a statement Monday, urged elected leaders not to rush to judgement.

“Our proposal to transform the western yards into a massive new park, housing and development that will generate tens of thousands of jobs, billions in new taxes and community investments, has not even been formally submitted yet, so we would hope our government leaders would wait to read it before forming a judgement,” the company said when asked about the political opposition.

“Until then, we will continue to communicate the profound benefits of the plan for the neighborhood and New York.”

I don't understand how these people in the media allow these statements to be made without questioning the logic. Exactly how does a casino that will be located opposite the High Line - a park that winds its way under (and through) multiple buildings one the west side - alter the views? We've known all along that there would be skyscrapers on the western yards, just as we've known that the platform itself will rise above the High Line once it reaches the river side. I understand the NIMBYism, that was expected. But at least give a reasonable excuse. And what are these "iconic" views that would be blocked?

DCReid

Jul 23, 2024 3:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10244357)

I read that site B is 1376 not 1276. What is the maximum height for Site c?

NYguy

Jul 23, 2024 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DCReid (Post 10250949)

I read that site B is 1376 not 1276. What is the maximum height for Site c?

That’s what I meant to put, I put it in the title. Site C is the casino/hotel tower. They didn’t make any height adjustments - as of yet. It’s possible that those changes were just to account for bulkhead heights, but still to early to say for certain what final heights will be. The committes that will review these proposals won’t even be set up until sometime next year, thanks to the governor’s inaction.

ChiND

Jul 23, 2024 7:53 PM

NY Guy,

Does this mean that the Related/Wynn proposal is dead?

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...asino-project/

Sky88

Jul 23, 2024 8:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10251490)

NY Guy,

Does this mean that the Related/Wynn proposal is dead?

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...asino-project/

I don't think so, but the project will have to be modified. Instead of having three large towers, perhaps we could have a single large office/hotel tower similar to the 175 Park Avenue project and a casino like the one that will be built in Chicago. The rest of the site will be able to accommodate a huge new park, housing, schools etc.

ChiND

Jul 23, 2024 9:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sky88 (Post 10251533)

Thanks. So these comments weren’t just advisory?

Sky88

Jul 23, 2024 9:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10251563)

Thanks. So these comments weren’t just advisory?

We are certainly still at an early stage in the long approval process, but I believe Related/Wynn will need to make changes to the proposal to avoid any more bumps in the road.

NYguy

Jul 24, 2024 1:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10251490)

NY Guy,

Does this mean that the Related/Wynn proposal is dead?

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...asino-project/

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Originally Posted by Sky88 (Post 10251533)

I don't think so, but the project will have to be modified.

No and No. Firstly, there has been no proposal submitted yet. The state's approvals process won't begin until next year, which as I've said already is thanks to the governor's inaction. Both houses of government in the state amended the timeline to have proposals submitted by next month, but the governor didn't sign off on it. So now they will be due June of next year.

The 6 member committees (each proposal will get one) will then be assembled, with each member representing a branch of government (local and state). 4 of 6 members need to give approval for and proposal to move forward and go before the state board.

What's moving through approvals now is the various local (city) approvals needed before a bid can even be submitted. In other words, you have to have a site to put a casino before you can propose to build one. Now, this was an uneccesary step placed by the governor. Previous state approvals only needed to be approved by the state (the casinos are state developments).

So basically everything that's being said now is a lot of noise. The city will approve the locations for the casinos - those that it can (any proposal on park land would have to be approved by the state) because it wants the casinos to be located in the city. Next year is when the real action begins.

This is how the timeline now stands:

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...sO2TC9E.c7.jpg

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...P6GaQtS.c1.jpg

ChiND

Jul 24, 2024 2:14 AM

Thanks. That’s good news.

DCReid

Jul 24, 2024 2:20 AM

They are putting so much emphasis on a casino anchored development, that I wonder what happens if they don't get the casino.

NYguy

Jul 24, 2024 3:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DCReid (Post 10251742)

They are putting so much emphasis on a casino anchored development, that I wonder what happens if they don't get the casino.

It just reverts back to the original plan it’s already zoned for. The apartment towers would be phased in.

This is a chance to do it all at once like the first phase. But the multiple apartment towers of the current site plan would have to be phased in.

mrnyc

Jul 24, 2024 5:11 PM

yeah there is no change in plans if they don’t get the casino.

it just happens faster if they do.

and i hope they do — it gets the yards built, is out of the way and is a nice amenity for javits conventioners.

NYguy

Jul 24, 2024 7:52 PM

The people who were screaming about not having a chance to voice their opinions have actually gotten and will have too many chances to make noise. We’re looking at 3 levels of approvals that require community input.

The first was the city’s, which is complete now. That was citywide, and required input from all of the CBs, and only made it possible for the 3 casinos that are a part of this process.

The second level, which we are going through now, is the approval for the land-use zoning on individual sites.

The 3rd level will occur after June of next year when the 6 member panels hold hearings.

This process could have and should have been streamlined and simplified.

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