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Downtown & Midtown Atlanta
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e3852f35_z.jpg ---------------------- 2020 ------ 2010 ------ 2000 ------ 1990 ---- Growth ---- Density Midtown ------------- 32,240 ----- 20,225 ---- 13,643 ----- 9,631 ----- 59.4% ----- 48.2% ----- 41.7% ------- 5.0 km² --- 6,415.9 inh./km² Downtown ---------- 21,026 ----- 14,615 ---- 12,089 ----- 8,635 ----- 43.9% ----- 20.9% ----- 40.0% ------- 5.1 km² --- 4,114.7 inh./km² Atlanta ------------ 498,715 ---- 427,042 --- 418,371 --- 393,962 ----- 16.8% ------ 2.1% ------ 6.2% ----- 350.5 km² --- 1,422.9 inh./km² Atlanta MSA --- 6,089,815 -- 5,286,728 -- 4,263,438 -- 3,082,308 ----- 15.2% ----- 24.0% ---- 38.3% -- 22,496 km² Same pattern: explosive growth all over the Downtown and Midtown axis, much faster than either the city or metro area. It's not intense as Miami, be it in terms of density of growth, but it definitely became a busy urban hub. For definition, I used 5 census-tracts for Downtown and 10 tracts for Midtown. |
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Around 2008, significant construction began 3 km to the north in Yorkville. It was followed by high rise construction a few km west along the lakeshore and finally the development of a previously ignored area a few km east to the Don River. Visually and psychologically, it massively expanded 'downtown'. It was very ambitious and initially looked like it would take generations to fill in. You could arguably fit 800+ new high-rises in there. There are still tons of places to build but, surprisingly, it already looks like one big downtown. The streetcar (tram) network is heavily concentrated in the core so that helps too. It gives the whole area a cohesive urban feel. It's currently at about 17,400 people sq km. It's nothing extreme but densifying rapidly. |
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However those traditional residential central districts in both SF and LA has been very dense for decades and therefore their population is pretty much stable or growing slowly. Downtowns' boom, with all those residential conversions and infill, is a new phenomenon and that's what I was having in mind when opened this thread. It's not a thread about urban density per se. But sure, as soon as I finish all Downtowns (still missing about 12 considering the metro areas above 1 million), I intend to work on other neighbourhoods in LA and elsewhere. :) |
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Btw I love to see all the development in that part of the city, and I can't wait for the Lucas Museum to open and Expo Park to get its much needed facelift. |
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thanks for the deeper dive into the numbers. :tup: here's the WBEZ community area growth map that basically lays out what you said in visual form, and refutes the conventional narrative of chicago that only the downtown area is growing, while the rest of the city declines. https://i.postimg.cc/xCZHjLKn/2020-CA-map.png source: https://www.wbez.org/stories/census-...f-a32ffcc724b7 yes, downtown chicago is doing absolutely great, and it is the growth leader for not just the city, but indeed the entire metro area. however, the neighborhoods are a very mixed bag, as the map above shows, with some showing pretty solid to modest growth, and others continuing to empty out, with a healthy dose of stagnant and/or 1st stage gentrification population loss areas in between. and IMO, the best news from this census for chicago is the growth of the south lakefront. yeah, much of the far southside is still continuing to empty out due to ongoing (though decreased) black flight, but if that tide is ever going to be turned, it has to start somewhere, and it's looking like that seed has already germinated on the south lakefront. |
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Those are historical times, as we're watching the reversal of almost one century of suburbanization trends in the US and most of the urbanized world. It must have been really exciting times for a Downtown dweller in the 2010's to watch all this activity around them. |
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Lower Manhattan & Financial District, New York
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...368718cc_z.jpg Francisca Urenda That's a city where "Downtown" is actually Downtown + Midtown, taking half of Manhattan. In New York, urbanity is in a whole different level, so comparisons with other cities are pointless. For the purpose of this thread, I used 16 census tracts south of Canal, Bowery and Catherine streets as Lower Manhattan. A very small area of 3.5 km² only. I also, used an even stricter area, south of Chambers St. and Brooklyn Bridge, to represent the Financial District. It has 2.15 km² only and that's where virtually all population growth took place. It was where we've seen one of those big movements of residents turning CBDs into residential areas. Not directly related to it, but the it became more pronounced soon after the 9/11. Anyway, let's see the numbers: ------------------------------------ 2020 ------ 2010 ------ 2000 ------ 1990 -------- Growth -------- Density Financial District ------------------ 60,806 ----- 45,750 ----- 22,719 ----- 14,357 --- 32.9% ---- 101.4% ----- 58.2% ------- 2.2 km² --- 28,177.0 inh./km² Lower Manhattan ----------------- 88,744 ----- 71,847 ----- 46,581 ----- 35,316 --- 23.5% ----- 54.2% ----- 31.9% ------- 3.5 km² --- 25,384.4 inh./km² Manhattan --------------------- 1,694,251 -- 1,585,873 -- 1,537,195 -- 1,487,536 ---- 6.8% ------ 3.2% ------ 3.3% ------ 58.7 km² --- 28,872.7 inh./km² New York City ----------------- 8,804,190 -- 8,175,133 -- 8,008,278 -- 7,322,564 ---- 7.7% ------ 2.1% ------ 9.4% ----- 778.2 km² --- 11,313.5 inh./km² New York Metro Area -------- 22,692,839 - 21,358,372 - 20,675,403 - 19,083,415 ---- 6.2% ------ 3.3% ------ 8.3% ---- 21.770 km² ---- 1,042.4 inh./km² Financial District population grew 3x (!!!) since 2000 and it's now as dense as Manhattan as a whole. They pretty much have invented "Downtown living". |
In Calgary's central core there were 39,958 people on 4.7 sq km in 2016. 21,958 were in the Beltline and 18,000 in the rest. Most of the downtown residential mid-rises/high-rises are being built in The Beltline. The Beltline's population of 21,958 in 2016 increased to 23,219 in 2017 and 24,887 in 2018.
Central Core of Calgary https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1...960/image.jpeg 2016 Population (Area) 18,000 (1.8 sq km): Downtown Core, Downtown West, East Village, Chinatown, Eau Claire 21,958 (2.9 sq km): The Beltline Beltline: everything to the right of the Calgary Tower http://d38zjy0x98992m.cloudfront.net...28_xgaplus.jpg https://www.stockaerialphotos.com/me...ine-at-sunrise https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/city-coun...fort-1.5402374 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downto...y#Demographics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltline,_Calgary |
I'm looking forward 2021 Canadian numbers to compare them with 2011 figures and the US metro areas.
As Canadian cities and a much higher base to begin with, in relative terms growth will be less impressive. In absolute terms, however, it seems tons of people are still moving in. In Brazil, as trends take longer to reach here, the only city that is experiencing such phenomenon is São Paulo (thread's 1st post), starting in the 2000's but only becoming mainstream in the 2010's (I, for instance, decided to move Downtown in 2020). That's why I'm eagerly waiting local census, due to happen in 2020 but postponed to 2022 because Covid. I guess this decade we might see this trend to reach other Brazilian major metro areas. |
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In Toronto there was a 3-4 month period where construction sites were in lock down but then the previous level of activity resumed. Condos have to be majority pre-sold to move to construction so there wasn't a drop off in activity. The big question is how future construction activity will be affected. Immigration has zoomed right back up again so we'll likely just pick up where we left off. Interest in downtown living waned a little due to COVID and expensive real estate. Lots decamped to smaller cities and towns. That said, the interest in urban living isn't going away any time soon. People, especially young people/seniors, are clamouring for walkable dense neighbourhoods. In most places that means downtown although dense pedestrian focused clusters are popping up all over the place. |
The densification of American downtowns in the latest census is shocking and belie the notion that density can only increase with high rise construction , although it certainly helps
Miami and Chicago are showing massive growth , wow |
Downtown, Midtown and New Center - Detroit
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e74f2b19_z.jpg ---------------------------- 2020 ------ 2010 ------ 2000 ------ 1990 ---- Growth ---- Density Downtown ------------------ 6,151 ------ 5,287 ------ 6,141 ------ 5,970 ---- 16.3% --- -13.9% ------ 2.9% ------- 3.7 km² --- 1,668.3 inh./km² Midtown ------------------ 16,921 ----- 14,550 ----- 16,877 ----- 16,692 ---- 16.3% --- -13.8% ------ 1.1% ------- 5.4 km² --- 3,141.7 inh./km² New Center ----------------- 6,484 ------ 5,675 ------ 7,843 ------ 8,146 ---- 14.3% --- -27.6% ----- -3.7% ------- 3.1 km² --- 2,123.8 inh./km² Detroit ------------------- 639,111 ---- 713,956 ---- 951,232 -- 1,028,067 --- -10.5% --- -24.9% ----- -7.5% --- 359.3 km² --- 1,778.8 inh./km² Detroit Metro Area ---- 5,325,319 -- 5,218,852 -- 5,357,538 -- 5,095,695 ----- 2.0% ---- -2.6% ------ 5.1% -- 14,983 km² I guess I having mix feelings regarding Downtown Detroit numbers. Even though is very promising the consistent, double-digit growth all over this axis in a time the city is still bleeding (metro area is growing though), I guess I hoped for a higher number, specially for Downtown. For this decade, everything indicates it will speed up as happened in other Downtowns. |
^ Yeah, I was really hoping to see more robust growth in Detroit's core too. I mean, the numerical gain for downtown was only 864 people for the entire decade. That's kinda disappointing, I guess I had my expectations set too high.
At least all three areas reversed their negative growth from the previous decade, so that's a hopeful start to the resurgence. Hopefully this current decade is when core Detroit really takes off and we see some more substantial population growth. |
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Also we would expect to see very small families in downtown Detroit vs. the rest of the city so households and housing units might be a better measure for now. |
Downtown Detroit has barely any new residential construction. There are some office-to-residential conversions, and some new lowrise residentials, but I don't think a highrise residential building has been built in downtown Detroit since Millender Center was built in 1985.
Correction - believe the last of the Riverfront Towers was built in the early 1990's. Those are three subsidized towers built just west of the downtown freeway loop, but even if technically outside the loop, I think everyone would count Riverfront Towers as "downtown" even if they're detached from downtown, and not really walkable bc of the roadway infrastructure. |
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Inside Downtown São Paulo, there are a small area that looks like that, with much shorter buildings of course. I hope some day it becomes residential as well, as other parts of Downtown. And down here, we really need that, as banks long moved away from the region to other financial districts southwestwards. |
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Yeah, Lower Manhattan wouldn't be high on my list of Manhattan neighborhoods for living. It was never "bombed out", BTW. Ever. Even in NYC's worst years, it never had troubled areas.
One of the big reasons you see more traditional families down there is because a bunch of elite private schools opened. Leman Prep, Blue School, Pine Street School, etc. Also, the public schools are some of the best in the city. |
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And I imagine there are tons of good bars and restaurants on the neighbouring districts. Are Greenwich Village, East Village still interesting or did they become to wealthy and bland? |
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(I wouldn't necessarily say they're 'neighboring' FiDi though, they're both at least 40min walk away... not too far, but not super close either) |
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But Lower Manhattan offers better value, and has more private schools. Plus giant prewar skyscrapers that make interesting residential conversions. Tribeca is one of the most expensive areas in Manhattan, while Lower Manhattan is one of the most affordable parts of prime Manhattan. Amenities are pretty decent now. There will soon be two extremely large, multilevel Whole Foods, there are rumors of a Stew Leonard's (a regional supermarket with gigantic stores) and there are a fair number of destination restaurants now, like Nobu. |
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Those neighborhoods were always separated by the Civic Center, Chinatown, Little Italy, and the shrinking Jewish enclave in the LES. |
Alphabet city late 70s, early 80s
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from Taxi Driver:
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All that Alphabet City sketch was as close to Midtown as to Lower Manhattan. It was basically the far eastern stretch of the East Village from Houston to 14th.
When I moved to NYC in 2001, the sketch was gone. The only reminder of Alphabet City's bad old days is the unusually large number of "community gardens", which were established on the rubble of former tenements, and which have largely remained due to extreme NIMBYism. Once you walk east of Ave. B you start to see the gardens. |
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Prior to the West Side Highway being torn down, I can believe there were abandoned and stripped cars around Battery Park City. I doubt it was common to see that east of the highway, though, unless it was up in Tribeca or something. But all of that would've been in the 1970s or 80s, so well before my time.
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I visited Miramax's NYC office in 2000 (no, we did not meet Harvey Weinstein!) and Tribeca was mostly intact, physically, but by no means bustling or prestigious in the way it soon became.
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Downtown Cleveland
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...173429a2_z.jpg Oberlin College As we've discussed Detroit, I thought it would be nice to bring Cleveland as they have many things in common, for instance, both cities are still declining albeit at a much slower place. ---------------------------- 2020 ------ 2010 ------ 2000 ------ 1990 ---- Growth ---- Density Downtown ------------------- 13,338 ------ 9,471 ------ 6,312 ------ 4,561 ---- 40.8% ---- 50.0% --- 38.4% ----- 7.8 km² --- 1,705.6 inh./km² Cleveland ------------------ 372,624 ---- 396,831 ---- 477,450 ---- 505,629 ---- -6,1% --- -16,9% --- -5,6% --- 201.3 km² --- 1,851.1 inh./km² Cleveland Metro Area ---- 2,790,470 -- 2,780,440 -- 2,843,103 -- 2,759,823 ----- 0.4% ---- -2.2% ---- 3.0% --- 7,509 km² I used three tracts for Downtown Cleveland, and pretty much all the 2010's growth took place in the one where Tower City is, near the river. It was the least populated in the 1990, with only 895 people in 1990, jumped to 1,944 in 2010 and 5,524 in 2020. One important feature it's the size, rather big (almost 8 km²), including all the docks, railway yards and even an airport, resulting im a low density. Note, however, the growth started already in the 1990's and it's been consistent and very fast since then, specially considering the city is still shrinking. We don't often talk about it, but it's clearly a success case. |
Downtown San Diego
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3cabe3ac_z.jpg ---------------------------- 2020 ------ 2010 ------ 2000 ------ 1990 ------ Growth ------ Density Downtown --------------------- 39,538 ----- 27,918 ----- 15,482 ----- 12,771 ---- 41.6% ---- 80.3% --- 21.2% ----- 4.7 km² --- 8,457.3 inh./km² San Diego MSA ----------- 3,298,634 -- 3,095,313 -- 2,813,833 -- 2,498,016 ----- 6.6% ---- 10.0% --- 12.6% -- 10,904 km² That's one of the biggest suprises for me as I was putting the list. San Diego is so under the radar, and its Downtown even more. It's not only very dense now (8,500 inh./km²), but it's still growing at a very fast pace. Another testimony of how US Downtowns boom is taking place everywhere, from the Rust Belt to the sunny California. |
Wow, I wonder if the census happened at more or less the worst possible time for downtown Chicago? (from https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...-records-again)
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San Francisco population changes:
The city https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/render...&ts=1629842355 Google Earth Downtown https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/ser...842506/enhance Google Earth Population changes https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/render...&ts=1629841929 https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects...sf-population/ |
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I put together Financial District and Embarcadero as it was impossible to split them, Chinatown, North Beach, Russian Hill, Nob Hill, Tenderloin, Civic Center, Rincon Hill/South Beach and South of Market. Pretty much the entire northeast quarter of the city. And I called "Downtown" everything minus North Beach and Russian Hill. |
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