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so next up on deck in the urban core:
Quincy Hanover Alexan 405 Colorado Am I missing anything? |
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44 East Travis Tower I I’d list Republic but it feels more speculative right now. Travis is at least starting demo. What is the Amli you’re referring to? |
Among the 300'+ towers, these should be the next ones to start because they are approved and have filed tower crane permits:
The Quincy 48 East 405 Colorado The next best guesses based on permitting: The Avenue (Probable 2nd Qtr. start) 6 X Guad (I still think the residential could be dropped.) Best chances for late 2019: 44 East Travis #1 Hanover Domain III Domain IV |
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After many were afraid of a slowdown... 2019 is shaping up to be a very busy year. Downtown will look amazing in a couple of years!
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Man, thanks for putting that together, Echostatic. It really hits home just how much development is in the pipeline. If you lump it all together, it really is one of the most massive construction undertakings/transformations in history; probably comparable to the Big Dig.
It makes me wonder: Do we realize what Austin is becoming? Please correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the amount of high rise construction here make Houston and Dallas pale in comparison? And what happens to a city whose downtown explodes like ours is? In some ways, isn't Austin becoming, like, the city in Texas? We've always had an powerful cocktail of persistent factors leading to our prosperity; its central location, UT, the capitol, being a welcoming beacon for the liberals of Texas, an attractive economy for out-of-staters, the confluence of Anglo and Hispanic, the weather, the food, the music, nature. It feels like everything is coming together now at the perfect time for Austin to thrive. Are we ready to be a huge city? Because our skyline will soon scream "huge city" loudly for all to hear. |
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The skyline comparison images from 2005 to 2015 were already crazy enough, now imagine 2005 to 2025. It'll look like an entirely new city. |
Dallas and Houston are on par with Austin for skyscraper development. The difference is that those Metros are more than 3 1/2 times the size of Austin, and their high-rise development is spread over a large area and suburbs and not so much in their downtowns like Austin. The fact that Austin is at the same level as those cities and has a much smaller population is what's so amazing.
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God what an exciting next 5-10 years this is going to be. Even more exciting than the last 10 years, which has already been incredible.
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When I moved here in 2012, people kind of talked like the boom had already happened, explaining that Austin had really changed recently, but I don’t think people fathomed how much more it was about to change. Mind you, the change that had recently occurred was in the context of The Monarch, Austonian, Ashton, 360, W Hotel, etc.
But I remember how small downtown still felt even just 5 years ago. There was a true crevice between the Market District and 2nd Street, plenty of dead space and a much more quiet CBD, especially at night. Then came plenty of new hotels (JW Marriot, Westin, Aloft) and the first big office project since Frost (Colorado Tower). That’s when I started to realize the boom was really still going. Seaholm/Greenwater and The Independent were the accelerant that really blew it all open, totally activating 2nd Street & Market District into a cohesive sprawl. It still amazes me that Greenwater was a field not too long ago. It’s truly remarkable. It was about 7 years between Austin’s two 600 footers. There are 4-5 in the current pipeline, and that’s not counting 44 East and Block 185, which are pretty darn close. You’d think it’d be over. But what’s in the pipeline might make 2013-2017 look like an ant hill. |
Nice list! What’s Railyard Towers? First time hearing about that one.
I don’t see 410 Uptown and The Huston listed. I’m not sure if you have a certain height criteria, but I’d add what’s going on in West Campus. The area is becoming one with Downtown, even more so once the projects for the north end of Downtown get out of the ground. Austin has more 500’+ projects planned than both Houston and Dallas. Only recently did the city lose the title for tallest building under construction in Texas, to Houston (Texas Tower 737’). Once 6th + Guadalupe begins we’ll have that title again. :-) |
I could quibble with some of your categorizations (under construction, approved, proposed), but it is an excellent compilation of the pipeline. Thank you for all the effort! As mentioned, this list does not include projects on the edges of Downtown. It also does not include a lot of pipeline development near the Domain, with the exception of the Burnet Gateway project.
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Good goin' Austin! You're growin' up so fast....
Seems like just yesterday I was more impressed with my own town's skyline than I was with Austin's. Definitely can't say that anymore! |
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What's really interesting is how pronounced the shift to the 500 ft plateau has been in just the last year.
Of course all of the 500 footers have yet to materialize, but it's clear that developers are aspiring to that next notch on the belt. |
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I think at this point the Railyard Towers are more of a vision for what can be built there (marketing) than an actual proposal. No site plan has been filed for that one.
I've also pretty much written off the West Avenue Apartments as dead since they also haven't filed a site plan yet either, and there hasn't been any news about it for a while. Same goes for 56 East. I don't doubt something will eventually happen with those, but I doubt it'll be in their current form. |
For what it's worth too, there is a 'for lease' sign up on the Frank & Angie's location these days, so the property owner seems to at least be actively looking for a tenant.
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You're right the towers won't be in the current form, since those were just massings for the sales brochure. Karlin has built quite a bit of low rise in the Austin suburbs, but they've built towers in California so I have confidence they can pull something off. Unlike Nate's group. ;) |
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1. More residential 2. More tourists 3. More commercial 4. More office space The outcome is that there is a better distribution of activity across space and time, as new residents have demanded new policies to keep noise and drama down from previous party districts while also opening up new competing options (Rainey, for instance) for residents, tourists, and shoppers alike that have taken some business away from 6th/4th. All in all, I’m not complaining about the trends because they’ve happened to pretty much every city. Nashville is starting to experience the same shift, whereas NOLA will probably never. |
With all of the development and reformatting of bars into corporate spaces, Austinites who like to get fucked up and experience culture downtown need to come together and have a fireside brainstorming session about how and where we're going to be doing this in the future.
I guess everything is being pushed East? But that kind of takes us out of downtown, though, and I doubt that's what's best for Austin. As someone who likes skyscraper development but also culture, to me it seems like the best case solution would be for concert venues to partner with high rise developers to incorporate live music venues into the ground-floor retail of some of these buildings, à la the W Hotel and ACL Live, instead of having more bland, corporate sports bars with stale, safe decor. If we're going to salvage our reputation as a live music-loving city, it seems like this is something that's going to have to take place; whether by the music venue community coming together and doing this proactively, or by some city council action to mandate it for a certain percentage of downtown developments. |
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Nonetheless, I don't disagree with you. But, those "bland, corporate sports bars with stale, safe decor" are a far more secure investment than a live music venue (like ACL). One is exponentially more likely to succeed (financially) by developing a "simple" bar versus running and booking a live music venue no bigger than ACL Live. Heck, the Austin Music Hall didn't make enough money to stave-off the development of the property on which they sat. Live music venues need to own their land (or be a part of the ownership team of a piece of land) AND consistently book great shows to secure long-term existence. I believe the question should be...how can we assist bar owners to incorporate live music into their themes/offerings on a daily or several days-a-week rotation? |
We have a ton of enforced low rise zones that are pretty convenient for entertainment style development: CVCs.
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I think the Warehouse district is the only area that had more nightlife 10 years ago than today. West 6th hasn't grown much, but I don't think it's shrunk either. Dirty might be slightly less packed on a Friday, but it is pretty much the same on Saturdays and Thursdays.
Of course Rainey appeared and is probably the single busiest place now. Red River has become a really awesome live music district with some nice bars as well. (IMO this area is much more important to protect than the Warehouse district was. Live music is Austin.) East sixth is now a bar district from the highway all the way to Chicon, which is incredible. We also have nice little cocktail areas on Caesar Chavez and 12th/Chicon. Then there is Rock Rose at the domain... Overall nightlife is doing okay. |
Most people tend to have a rose colored view of places from the past. Entertainment districts are no different.
"It's just not the same." Well of course it isn't, but mostly because YOU are likely not the same. You are now a 40-something with a family instead of a 20-something post-college kid regularly going out and socializing. ("You" is just a general reference. This is for no one specific) Long time locals and visitors seem to pine so hard about the warehouse district among other areas (and the "Austin of yesteryear"), yet conveniently ignore the fact that downtown was a barren disconnected sea of surface parking lots, un-activated sidewalks that rolled up at 5pm except for certain pockets during that era. You can't have one without the other when being nostalgic. Had I been around and visited those places during the same time, maybe I too would have similar feelings, but since I wasn't, I don't. But I DO think it's very important to be smart about development and preserve the "play" part of the whole modern Live/Work/Play motto. Otherwise it becomes a pretty sterile and generic environment very quickly. |
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The culture of Austin hasn't changed much over the last 20+ years that I've known it as home. The Austin culture is what created all of the old and continues to create the next generation of new and awesome. I don't see the Austin culture changing anytime soon. All it seems to do is draw in more like minded, creative, entrepreneurial, etc. people that help make it even better. |
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You hit the hammer on the nail with you're comment. What you suggest is exactly what I've been wanting to see. Example Austin Music Hall (Yes yes it had bad sound distribution) but why couldn't the developer of 3rd @ Shoal incorporate a music venue into their project... I mean it would have been a thousand times better than what they did. At one time Austin was known for having 250+ music venues within Downtown. Even the NYT years back mentioned that we had more music venues per capita Downtown within walking distance than any other city in America. We can no longer say that about DT. Something that needs to be rectified. As I stated in another thread it's why SXSW was able to thrive and grow but its clear SXSW has shifted and spread out more than it used to. Some may see benefit to that but I see it as a hassle that people have to travel farther to get where they want or need to go than they did 10 years ago. I think the city needs to add entertainment/music venues as a required part of any development that is taking venue space away. Office buildings make the most sense when it comes to incorporating clubs or music venues. |
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Entertainment districts are expanding out of downtown while shrinking or stagnating within downtown. That's not what I'd like to see for our city. As it stands, residents or workers on the west or south side have to essentially drive through downtown instead of into downtown to get to the newest/best venues. That's kinda lame. |
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I could even see a compromise of retail on one side of a building and the entrance into a venue on the other. There really could be a symbiotic relationship between street-level retail, a concert venue (and likely other uses by various group sand organizations for mid-week meetings or smaller conference events), and office above. Parking is the only issue that I could see because people want parking *in* their building rather than using a neighboring garage or (gasp) using public transportation, etc. |
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Let's Easter Sunday this thread.
After a (relatively) slow 2017 & 2018 for major project groundbreakings, 2019 has turned out to be a good year for major Austin skyscraper starts. My best guess for 300'+ projects that will start before this year is over are: 6 x Guadalupe The Avenue Domain II Domain IV I don't count 48 East (Natiivo) because I consider that one already started since it has financing and demo was completed. 44 East and Hanover Republic Square are "take it to the bank" projects as far as I'M concerned. But those will probably start Q1 2020. |
Am I right in counting up 14 CBD projects that should be U/C by the end of 2019?
Nativo 44 East Indeed Molar Tommy Marriott Quincy 6X Hanover Avenue Alexan 300 Colorado Court House That doesn't leave us too many more to get going. This year has been incredible. If we can start on the Republic next year....I can die a happy man. ATX, what are the odds you think this will happen? I can't stand having to wait to see what our skyline will look like in 2023, but now that I think about it.....this huge "wave" is coming to an end. I can't see another big wave coming soon. |
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I would argue that it's only the beginning. Don't forget South Shore Central, possibly some new 300 footers in the West Campus area once zoning is changed, we may have not heard much more on new proposals, but at the same time, there are likely some big projects being worked on behind the scenes. What I do think may happen is whatever developers are working on, they are probably going to wait while this current building boom commences. Several factors come into play for this reasoning. I think we will hear about some more developments eventually. |
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