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Jenner Aug 18, 2010 4:21 AM

Gary airport news
 
Chris Curry, the current director of the Gary/Chicago airport will be leaving his job and starting a new director position for the airport in Naples, FL in September. I would imagine that he's had enough of the Gary mayor and the airport board.

http://www.garychicagoairport.com/fe...ail.asp?ID=271

On the bright side, 7 firms stated that they wanted to be the construction coordinator which would move the EJ&E tracks and lengthen the main runway and have the project done by 2013. That seems rather ambitious to me, but if they can do that, then maybe that airport can get rolling.
http://www.garychicagoairport.com/fe...ail.asp?ID=270

CHAPINM1 Aug 18, 2010 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenner (Post 4951103)
Chris Curry, the current director of the Gary/Chicago airport will be leaving his job and starting a new director position for the airport in Naples, FL in September. I would imagine that he's had enough of the Gary mayor and the airport board.

http://www.garychicagoairport.com/fe...ail.asp?ID=271

On the bright side, 7 firms stated that they wanted to be the construction coordinator which would move the EJ&E tracks and lengthen the main runway and have the project done by 2013. That seems rather ambitious to me, but if they can do that, then maybe that airport can get rolling.
http://www.garychicagoairport.com/fe...ail.asp?ID=270

I was just looking at the website and it says that there is no commercial service. Does this opportunity for the Gary Chicago Airport mean that it could be the third commercial passanger airport along with O' Hare (ORD) and Midway (MDW)?

F1 Tommy Aug 19, 2010 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CHAPINM1 (Post 4952013)
I was just looking at the website and it says that there is no commercial service. Does this opportunity for the Gary Chicago Airport mean that it could be the third commercial passanger airport along with O' Hare (ORD) and Midway (MDW)?

It's a simple answer. No. If Gary was in Illinois it probably would be the third airport. Indiana does not care about Gary and won't dump much money into a Gary airport upgrade at this point.

Jenner Aug 19, 2010 5:27 AM

Gary (GYY) wants to be the "third" airport for Chicago. It's in a pretty good location (near 2 or 3 interstates), and could have rail transit into the city.
GYY has attepted to have service, and was only able to host low cost carriers (only when GYY made concessions), which eventually all left or went out of business. I think GYY wants to attract passenger service as well as cargo service. For now, the recommendation from the Strategic Business plan (April 2010) is to attract charter flights instead of passenger and cargo services. Personally, if Gary were to attract customer service, I would hope it would be Frontier with flights into Milwaukee (MKE). That would at least provide passengers the options to go to multiple destinations.

I know that airports can be an engine of economic development, but I also think that the area (NW Indiana and SE Chicago) has a rather poor economic base, which may be hampering development at the airport. I would certainly appreciate any insight as to the role of the economic base of the region plays into airport development.

denizen467 Aug 19, 2010 9:50 AM

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Originally Posted by F1 Tommy (Post 4952185)
If Gary was in Illinois it probably would be the third airport. Indiana does not care about Gary and won't dump much money into a Gary airport upgrade at this point.

A problematic paradox for those who want GYY to emerge as the third airport. I guess this is the type of problem that could be addressed by a regional airport authority?

Separately, does anyone know where Gary's borders run? Is it adjacent to Chicago or is there something in between like Whiting or East Chicago?

spyguy Aug 22, 2010 9:30 PM

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...UE01/308219982

Mayor Daley moves to borrow $1 billion for final phase of O'Hare expansion even as airlines balk
By: John Pletz August 23, 2010


Mayor Richard M. Daley is preparing to borrow $1 billion and start work on the long-delayed final phase of expansion at O'Hare International Airport, without a sign-off from the airlines he's counting on to pay for most of the project.

At the same time, city Aviation Commissioner Rosemarie Andolino is sounding a more conciliatory note in giving priority to new runways the airlines want, rather than a new terminal they don't.
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Hopefully the concept turns out better than Wolfgang Puck Express.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Rick.Ba...2.1863037.html

Chef Rick Bayless Will Open O'Hare Restaurants
City Says Locations Will Be Ready By Fall


Chicago celebrity chef Rick Bayless is cooking his way from the White House to the terminals at O'Hare International Airport.

The Chicago Department of Aviation said Monday that the expert in contemporary Mexican cooking will open two new restaurants at the airport, one in Terminal 1 and the other in Terminal 3.

Jenner Sep 2, 2010 4:13 AM

1. Gary Airport has selected Aecom Technology to oversee the expansion project. Aecom is the current contractor for development for O'hare.
http://garychicagoairport.com/feature_detail.asp?ID=273

2. Google Maps now show a new aerial view of O'Hare. This looks very recent, as you can see progress on the new 10/28C runway, and the finished version of 10L/28R.

3. If the western terminal isn't built, would O'Hare still use the 14/32 runways? Even if the western terminal is built, I could still see runway 14L/32R still possibly used. I wouldn't think it would be too much more difficut than the 4L/22R runway operations.

denizen467 Sep 3, 2010 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jenner (Post 4967986)
2. Google Maps now show a new aerial view of O'Hare. This looks very recent, as you can see progress on the new 10/28C runway, and the finished version of 10L/28R.

Yet their maps still do not reflect the updates evident in the satellite photos.

The 10C/28C progress is really cool - almost like it was on a whiteboard and someone smudged the middle of the runway/taxiways to draw something else.

nomarandlee Sep 7, 2010 5:44 PM

Quote:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,2785845.story

Chicago hopes to borrow another $1 billion for O'Hare expansion
The fresh money would buy time to keep the project going so the city will be able to persuade the airport's two largest tenants to help with funding and avoid costly litigation

By Jon Hilkevitch and Julie Johnsson, Tribune reporters
8:10 p.m. CDT, September 6, 2010

Like a poker player who has gone all in on a bet that's too big to lose, the Daley administration is expected to explain to aldermen on Tuesday why it needs to quickly issue $1 billion in new bonds to prevent the expansion of O'Hare International Airport from folding.

With less than half of the mega-project completed, the city is running out of money and needs the bond deal to continue work. In the high-stakes game of Chicago-style airport expansion, the fresh money would basically buy time to keep the project going with the hope that the city will be able to persuade the airport's two largest tenants, American and United airlines, to sign on.

Ultimately, the city will need to raise at least $3.3 billion to finish the job — and that's without new terminals, a People Mover extension and other infrastructure that Chicago officials once deemed integral to building the first runways at O'Hare in almost 40 years.

The move for more money comes while the city continues to be stymied in its effort to get American and United to help pay for a western terminal that would be primarily used by other airlines. The carriers also have refused to sign off on the last three runways of the project, which are expected to produce the biggest increases in O'Hare's flight capacity.

Still, the city's talks with United in recent months have yielded a potential compromise that would postpone development of the new terminal until demand for flights reached a predetermined level, say people close to the discussions. The two sides, however, have not agreed on the amount of traffic that would trigger work on the $2.2 billion terminal.

"The western terminal is demand-driven," said Chicago Aviation Commissioner Rosemarie Andolino. "When we need it, we will have the ability to build it."

But Andolino is running out of time to broker a deal with the airlines. On Tuesday, the City Council's Finance Committee is scheduled to review an ordinance paving the way for the $1 billion in new bonds, which would pay for preliminary runway work, including moving a portion of Irving Park Road. The measure is expected to be approved by the full City Council on Wednesday, Andolino said, calling it "routine business."

Andolino is gambling the airlines will fall in line once work on the runways begins, observers said. Yet by pushing ahead without the airlines' support, she risks a courtroom showdown that could mire the O'Hare overhaul, a plan announced nine years ago by Mayor Richard Daley, in further delays, sources said.

"I guess they are using the saying, 'If you build it, they will come,'" Ald. Joe Moore, 49th, said. "Keeping O'Hare as an economic engine is vital to the city, but that's a huge amount of money to appropriate. ... We the taxpayers may end up having to foot the bill if the airlines don't want the extra capacity."

Daley has long said local taxpayers won't be liable for helping pay for the expansion project. But there is concern that if the city fails to sign on the airlines, ultimately the city and taxpayers will be responsible for paying for the rest of the work.

United and American have hired the law firm DLA Piper to represent their interests in the proposed funding, design and construction of the remaining O'Hare project. The airlines contend that a 2005 contract bars the city from funding construction with bonds paid by airline landing fees and terminal rents, without first gaining the consent of carriers accounting for a majority of O'Hare operations.

In an Oct. 14, 2009, letter to Andolino obtained by the Tribune, DLA Piper warned that United and American "will protect their contractually bargained-for rights."

Andolino responded: "If we go down that path … it is a litigation issue."

The city will have to tap the bond market at least twice to pay for the remaining work. The bonds at the center of the legal wrangle would likely be raised a year or so from now and would total about $2.3 billion. What's unclear is whether the initial $1 billion debt would also be disputed by the carriers because it would be principally repaid with fees tacked on to passenger tickets and a $410 million Federal Aviation Administration grant.

"There are two questions," said Aaron Gellman, a professor at Northwestern University's Transportation Center. "Are the airport commissioner and city willing to run roughshod over the carriers and perhaps trigger a lawsuit under (the argument that the city failed to get the required approval of carriers who account for a majority of the airport's operations), or are they willing to make concessions to enough carriers to get (such) approval?"

Both sides have much to lose if the current deadlock turns into a prolonged legal battle.

Airlines at Los Angeles International Airport successfully sued aviation authorities to block airport terminal overhaul plans that would have imposed significantly higher finance costs on carriers, said Steve Lott, spokesman for the International Air Transport Association, an airline trade group.

It is in the airlines' interest to cut a deal now to take advantage of low interest rates, Gellman said. But other analysts said the project risks making O'Hare even more expensive to airlines and passengers — and less attractive to the management of American and United.

United is slated to gain a new CEO, Continental Airlines chief Jeff Smisek, with no ties to Chicago when the airlines' merger is legally completed Oct. 1. O'Hare will be eclipsed by Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport as the new airline's largest hub, and observers are watching to see whether United will shift flights and resources away from its O'Hare base.

The city and airlines largely kept their differences on O'Hare's expansion to themselves until 2008. That summer, six of the major airlines serving O'Hare sent letters to city aviation officials warning that the expansion plan is flawed. They also suggested suspending the final phase of the project because of a decline in air travel and the airline industry's cloudy future.

The airlines' resentment boiled over again in February, when the city raised landing fees by 38 percent and rents by 15 percent to 17 percent to prepay bonds that weren't due until 2030. United and American called the move "fiscally irresponsible" and broke off talks in protest.

American has refused to sit down with city officials since the dispute, sources said. A spokeswoman for the airline declined to comment for this story. United, however, has resumed negotiations with Andolino's team in recent months aimed at ending the deadlock over the western terminal. United spokesman Michael Trevino confirmed the negotiations but declined to elaborate on what is being discussed.

Sources said recent talks have focused on a contractual clause that would enable the city to push ahead with airfield improvements without committing to financing the new terminal, which would almost double the cost of this phase of the project.

The city is conducting a study on the costs of the western terminal, which initial estimates pegged at about $2 billion. But new number-crunching shows the final price could be much higher. The soaring expense might provide the city with a face-saving reason to shelve the western terminal in exchange for the airlines' support of the overall airport renovation project, sources said.

"I think all sides still want to make the deal come together," said Lester Crown, a leading member of the Civic Committee of The Commercial Club of Chicago. "There is no demand at the present time for the western terminal gates. I think the terminal is completely on the back burner."

While the city has faced escalating costs because of project delays and ongoing litigation with opponents of new runways, another big hang-up has been timing. Flights at O'Hare are down about 100,000 annually from a 2004 peak, and the lingering recession has stymied efforts to bring aboard financial support from the airline industry, which has long insisted the project be scaled back, or from private investors.

Demand for additional runways and passenger terminals will likely materialize, but it will take years, according to FAA projections. The agency has supported O'Hare expansion with $747 million in taxpayer money — the largest financial commitment ever made to a single airport project.

Andolino is undeterred.

"When I started out here in 2003, I was given the direction by the mayor and the business community that they wanted these runways,'' she said. "I prefer to work in an environment with my airline partners, and I am confident that will still happen. (But) we are moving forward with the program, period."

Always the optimist, Andolino insisted that the entire O'Hare project can still be completed by 2014, as the mayor directed when Chicago was competing to host the 2016 Summer Olympics.

"It is still the goal, but with the challenges we face, I reserve the right to (reconsider) that decision as appropriate,'' she said.

Tribune reporters Hal Dardick and John Byrne contributed to this report.

jhilkevitch@tribune.com

jjohnsson@tribune.com
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Kngkyle Oct 6, 2010 2:10 AM

There is quite a bit of talk/rumors on airliners.net about United and American announcing new long haul routes from ORD.

Many believe that AA will soon announce service to Hong Kong and Birmingham, UK. Someone just recently posted saying UA will be announcing service to Moscow, Vienna, Oslo, Lisbon, and Manchester from ORD.

The AA announcement is supposed to be tomorrow (wednesday) whereas the UA announcement is supposed to be sometime in the next few weeks.

Hopefully it becomes more than just a rumor.

denizen467 Oct 6, 2010 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kngkyle (Post 5005835)
Many believe that AA will soon announce service to Hong Kong and Birmingham, UK.

ORD-HKG would be huge. I don't know of any nonstop Asia routes from ORD other than NRT and SEL (please correct me anyone; PEK nor TPE are served yet, right?). This would be the first time Chicago has direct access to "inner Asia", or if you like, "tropical Asia".

What would precipitate that development in a recession like this? Reduction in capacity from NYC/DFW to ORD as a jumping-off point that is slightly closer to HKG? Or is AA getting longer-haul aircraft? Or did they just get the slots from the USA/PRC? Or they simply want to snag customers who on Star/SkyTeam/etc. would have to transfer at Pacific Rim airports before reaching HKG?

nomarandlee Oct 6, 2010 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kngkyle (Post 5005835)
There is quite a bit of talk/rumors on airliners.net about United and American announcing new long haul routes from ORD.

Many believe that AA will soon announce service to Hong Kong and Birmingham, UK. Someone just recently posted saying UA will be announcing service to Moscow, Vienna, Oslo, Lisbon, and Manchester from ORD.

The AA announcement is supposed to be tomorrow (wednesday) whereas the UA announcement is supposed to be sometime in the next few weeks.

Hopefully it becomes more than just a rumor.

That would be awesome to get all those in play. I am a bit surprised a Moscow route hasn't worked yet given that there seems to be a sizable Russian ex-pat population in the metro.

the urban politician Oct 6, 2010 2:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kngkyle (Post 5005835)
The AA announcement is supposed to be tomorrow (wednesday) whereas the UA announcement is supposed to be sometime in the next few weeks.

^ Hey! Where's that announcement? ;)

nergie Oct 6, 2010 4:24 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 5006249)
^ Hey! Where's that announcement? ;)

Go to AA web-site, they just announced ORD-Helsinki starting in April

trvlr70 Oct 6, 2010 6:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 5006127)
ORD-HKG would be huge. I don't know of any nonstop Asia routes from ORD other than NRT and SEL (please correct me anyone; PEK nor TPE are served yet, right?). This would be the first time Chicago has direct access to "inner Asia", or if you like, "tropical Asia".?

No. ORD already has flights currently to Hong Kong, Beijing, and Shanghai on United. They have all been around for a while now. There are also nonstops to Seoul and Tokyo on various airlines. Also, there was a ORD - Osaka flight a few years back on United as well.

trvlr70 Oct 6, 2010 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nomarandlee (Post 5006200)
That would be awesome to get all those in play. I am a bit surprised a Moscow route hasn't worked yet given that there seems to be a sizable Russian ex-pat population in the metro.

AA had an ORD - Moscow flight a couple years back that tanked almost immediately. Even summer flights were empty.

nomarandlee Oct 6, 2010 8:22 PM

:previous: Yea, that was a bit of a head scratcher why that didn't have more legs but I think that was perhaps tried at the height of the recession/depression..

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Originally Posted by trvlr70 (Post 5006555)
No. ORD already has flights currently to Hong Kong, Beijing, and Shanghai on United. They have all been around for a while now. There are also nonstops to Seoul and Tokyo on various airlines. Also, there was a ORD - Osaka flight a few years back on United as well.

It would be nice to get either a Manilla or Bangkok flights.

VivaLFuego Oct 6, 2010 9:50 PM

Other than LAX, JFK, and IAD, do any other US airports have regular scheduled nonstop service to Moscow? It seems the coasts provide the more natural base for US-Russia travel, and despite a decent sized population in the Chicago area, the heartland in general is not overflowing with Russian immigrants, Russian business operations, nor Russian tourists.

Kngkyle Oct 6, 2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VivaLFuego (Post 5006855)
Other than LAX, JFK, and IAD, do any other US airports have regular scheduled nonstop service to Moscow? It seems the coasts provide the more natural base for US-Russia travel, and despite a decent sized population in the Chicago area, the heartland in general is not overflowing with Russian immigrants, Russian business operations, nor Russian tourists.

Transaero is starting Miami service in a few weeks. That doesn't disprove your theory though.

spyguy Oct 7, 2010 1:14 AM

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/310059746/

Will Elgin-O'Hare Expressway reach the airport?
By Marni Pyke


After years of talk, completing the eastern part of the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway and building a western bypass around the airport are gaining momentum and indications are that all or part of the project could be a tollway.

Gov. Pat Quinn announced this morning the creation of an advisory council of business, local government, urban planners and labor to coordinate and work on funding for the project.

Rail Claimore Oct 7, 2010 2:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VivaLFuego (Post 5006855)
Other than LAX, JFK, and IAD, do any other US airports have regular scheduled nonstop service to Moscow? It seems the coasts provide the more natural base for US-Russia travel, and despite a decent sized population in the Chicago area, the heartland in general is not overflowing with Russian immigrants, Russian business operations, nor Russian tourists.

Year-round? No. ATL has seasonal service on DL that used to be year-round, but the recession forced them to cut back. I'm not sure any other airports have even seasonal service.

yaga Oct 7, 2010 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VivaLFuego (Post 5006855)
Other than LAX, JFK, and IAD, do any other US airports have regular scheduled nonstop service to Moscow? It seems the coasts provide the more natural base for US-Russia travel, and despite a decent sized population in the Chicago area, the heartland in general is not overflowing with Russian immigrants, Russian business operations, nor Russian tourists.

IAH has regulaur non-stop service to Moscow Domodedovo continuing to Singapore by Singapore Airlines.

trvlr70 Oct 7, 2010 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VivaLFuego (Post 5006855)
Other than LAX, JFK, and IAD, do any other US airports have regular scheduled nonstop service to Moscow? It seems the coasts provide the more natural base for US-Russia travel, and despite a decent sized population in the Chicago area, the heartland in general is not overflowing with Russian immigrants, Russian business operations, nor Russian tourists.

Aeroflot used to fly from Chicago nonstop to Moscow. But post-911, Aeroflot's service was cut along with ORD departing flights on Austrian, Singapore, Virgin and ANA. Virgin Atlantic and ANA have returned since then.

Rail Claimore Oct 7, 2010 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yaga (Post 5007524)
IAH has regulaur non-stop service to Moscow Domodedovo continuing to Singapore by Singapore Airlines.

Completely forgot that stopped in Moscow. That service must be doing well considering the distance that routing is to Singapore.

nergie Oct 22, 2010 1:14 AM

As a frequent flyer with ORD being my home airport, It seems ORD has suffered moreso than other large Hub airports in last 5 years. Also it seems the airlines are slow to return.

In last few weeks several airlines have announced new routes, yet aside from +1 frequency on ORD-LA and ORD-Helsinki from AA there was not much new news. I hope this is just the calm before the storm of major announcements from AA, UA and Int'l carriers.

So my questions are, are AA, UA holding routes back as barganing chip with city over proposed W. Terminal?

Is this a sign of more difficult times at ORD in near-term future?

Is this me just making bad observations?


Thank you all for your feedback.

BrennanW Oct 22, 2010 2:19 AM

ORD just earned a daily on Eagle to MHK. Local officials here are hinting at a second daily. Additionally, dont forget all the new European service AA just added.

nergie Oct 22, 2010 2:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BrennanW (Post 5026005)
ORD just earned a daily on Eagle to MHK. Local officials here are hinting at a second daily. Additionally, dont forget all the new European service AA just added.

BrennanW, nice to see a fellow Kansan as that was my home state for 23 years of life. AA only added Helsinki, while eliminating FRA and switching Dublin to seasonal.

Manhattan Kansas, is not exactly what I am talking about in terms of new service, sure must be nice for coaches to recruit. Mind you, I am J-Hawk. But thanks for the response.:)

BrennanW Oct 23, 2010 6:35 PM

Thanks for your reply. I think what I meant to say was "All the new service UA just added," but since AA was on my mind I typed the wrong thing. UAL did add some nice new service to Eastern Europe.

On aside, The Cats just chartered an AA M80 for the flight to Baylor yesterday. Nice to see they switched from just using the random charter operator or Southwest to support the new service. We'll be up to 4x daily in November, and as stated it looks like ORD may get bumped to 2x daily. Nicely sized regional airport we're developing here in MHK.

Jenner Oct 25, 2010 5:33 AM

I'm going to continue a conversation started on airliners.net, regarding O'Hare expansion under a Rahm Emanual regime. The thread is here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/4960022/
To respond to that forum requires a sign up fee of either $5 monthly or one-time $25. Although the material is interesting to read, I don't see me paying money just to respond to a post. If anyone has an account over there, perhaps they can cross-post.

Essentially, the responders at the forum mentioned above believe that the Western terminal should be built and given to United, and American can move to terminal 1. Other posts talk about their idealized version of O'hare, and also a lot of talk about what to do about terminal 2.

According to the OMP, the western terminal would have 8700 sq ft of apron frontage. Currently, UA and Star Alliance using all of terminal 1, and the majority of terminal 2, save for 8 gates used by Delta and Jet Blue. Combined apron footage is approximately 11,600 sq ft (1: 7259sqft, 2: 4436sqft). This would mean that the western terminal wouldn't be big enough for United and its Star Alliance partners.

I had a post _here_ that envisions creating a terminal 4 where the HVAC building is currently located. It looks doable. You could move Delta and Jet Blue over there, and maybe some other airlines from terminal 3 onto terminal 4. Then United can take the rest of terminal 2, and AA could fill more of terminal 3.

United would be left with an interesting situation. Delta would have a newer terminal at O'Hare, and United probably understands that terminal 2 would need to be revamped. United would probably insist that Chicago come up with some money to help rebuild terminal 2, considering that a new terminal was just built for Delta. Coming up with a rebuilt terminal 2 would be ideal for United, without the need of the western terminal. This scenario would restrict the total capacity since the western terminal isn't built, but would probably leave UA and AA happier.

denizen467 Oct 25, 2010 11:25 AM

8000 square feet sounds teeny. Do you mean linear?

Jenner Oct 25, 2010 4:18 PM

Yes, sorry. Linear feet of apron space.

spyguy Oct 26, 2010 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nergie (Post 5025921)
I hope this is just the calm before the storm of major announcements from AA, UA and Int'l carriers.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-medina-merger

United makes global plans on shoestring budget
By Julie Johnsson October 21, 2010


...O'Hare International Airport was the only hub not to gain new destinations in the first wave of expansion by the new United, but it hasn't been overlooked, said United spokeswoman Jean Medina.

"O'Hare serves a wide breadth of destinations today," she said. "That said, we're just beginning to roll out the new destinations, and we expect to add additional cities from O'Hare soon."

BrennanW Oct 26, 2010 1:37 AM

...like MHK!

Just Kidding. I'm really hoping for some more Europe/Africa/Middle East flights from ORD. South America is really lacking in UAs network, too. AA is mining gold down there with the DFW and MIA hubs. IMO, UA shouldn't have dropped the MIA hub- it was great for that sort of thing.

Jenner Oct 26, 2010 3:31 AM

UA through acquiring Continental will gain more marketshare regarding South America, Europe, and some MiddleEast/Africa. Much of the European trips will leave from EWR (Newark Liberty in NJ), and the South American trips will leave from IAH (Houston Intercontinental). ORD serves as a good mid-continent airport for Asia and European travellers.

ardecila Oct 26, 2010 5:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jenner (Post 5029286)
This scenario would restrict the total capacity since the western terminal isn't built, but would probably leave UA and AA happier.

The western terminal probably needs to be built at some point, even if it doesn't have any gates in it. Ground transportation into O'Hare is limited to the tiny I-190 corridor. In the long run, western access for autos, taxis, buses, and transit vehicles will need to be built, and that requires some sort of large intermodal facility with a connection to the terminals on the east side of the airfield.

Numerous plans, from Metra's STAR Line to DuPage's J-Line and now MHSRA's 220mph HSR plan assume that a western terminal will be built, because ground access from the east is so difficult to expand.

BrennanW Oct 27, 2010 1:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenner (Post 5030573)
UA through acquiring Continental will gain more marketshare regarding South America, Europe, and some MiddleEast/Africa. Much of the European trips will leave from EWR (Newark Liberty in NJ), and the South American trips will leave from IAH (Houston Intercontinental). ORD serves as a good mid-continent airport for Asia and European travellers.

I agree. With Great Circle Mapper, there isn't a whole lotta added distance from EWR/ORD to Europe - and ORD's huge catchment area plus its large O+D markets make it a prime location to expand European and Asian ops. I think ORD is really lacking in a single connection to Rio or the middle east (Emirates).

trvlr70 Oct 27, 2010 1:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrennanW (Post 5032570)
I think ORD is really lacking in a single connection to Rio or the middle east (Emirates).

There exists today a nonstop from ORD to Abu Dhabi on Etihad Airlines. And while we do not have nonstops to Rio, Unitied opereates a daily nonstop to Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Nowhereman1280 Oct 27, 2010 4:43 PM

Chicago also has a daily (or 6 days a week) flight to Amman, Jordan on Royal Jordanian.

trvlr70 Oct 27, 2010 5:58 PM

There are also Pakistani Air flights to Islamabad but there is an intermediary stop I believe in Manchester, UK or someplace like that.

nergie Oct 27, 2010 6:27 PM

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Originally Posted by trvlr70 (Post 5032872)
There are also Pakistani Air flights to Islamabad but there is an intermediary stop I believe in Manchester, UK or someplace like that.

It is Barcelona.

BrennanW Oct 29, 2010 2:10 AM

On that note, AA/IB/BA are planning on BCN being a secondary spanish longhaul hub. MIA will be one of the first to see the A343s, does it look like ORD could get a flight also?

denizen467 Oct 29, 2010 10:31 AM

To what extent is runway/taxiway accommodation for A380 craft included in the present ORD Modernization Plan? (I assume that jetway accommodation is further down the road.)

Are LAX and JFK the only airports handling them right now? Beyond those, are there other US hub airports capable of handling the A380 at present? I assume no US passenger carrier has expressed interest in acquiring one yet.

ardecila Oct 29, 2010 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 5035125)
To what extent is runway/taxiway accommodation for A380 craft included in the present ORD Modernization Plan? (I assume that jetway accommodation is further down the road.)

Are LAX and JFK the only airports handling them right now? Beyond those, are there other US hub airports capable of handling the A380 at present? I assume no US passenger carrier has expressed interest in acquiring one yet.

Wikipedia says that, for all intents and purposes, any airport capable of handling 747s is capable of handling A380s, apart from some lighting and signage changes.

Hot Rod Oct 30, 2010 12:56 AM

I know Vancouver International has several gates to handle the A380, Im not sure about Toronto. Vancouver, Los Angeles, and JFK are the only airports in North America that are A380 service-able.

I think all ORD would need to do is reconfigure the some of the gates in T5 to be ready.

denizen467 Oct 30, 2010 2:04 AM

Let me add some more background first. First, airports like ORD cannot handle the A380 because the taxiways (or spacing next to them) are not wide enough. This a recognized impediment at ORD. I am just not sure whether it's all over the ORD airfield or only at a limited number of points.

Second, for all practical purposes 2 jetbridges (or 2 tarmac stairs, except not in a northern city like Chicago) that can handle 2 different levels would be necessary for an airline to introduce A380 service. Unlike the 747, a huge number of people must schlep their carry-on luggage up to the 2nd floor, and it is unrealistic to expect 200+ people to use a 747-style measly interior staircase for this.

I am not sure whether existing jetbridges can serve the upper level of an A380 (there is a certain maximum incline for people to climb/descend with their luggage from the upper level). And of course getting 2 adjacent jetbridges to simultaneously serve the 2 opposite sides of an A380 is not a given; it might require a fair amount of gate area construction. Depending on the dimensions of hold rooms, jetbridges, jetbridge spacing, apron, etc., this could be a smaller or bigger project than the taxiway issue.

urbanfan89 Oct 30, 2010 2:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hot Rod (Post 5036047)
I know Vancouver International has several gates to handle the A380, Im not sure about Toronto. Vancouver, Los Angeles, and JFK are the only airports in North America that are A380 service-able.

I think all ORD would need to do is reconfigure the some of the gates in T5 to be ready.

Toronto is served by EK A380 three times per week.

plinko Oct 30, 2010 6:56 AM

Pretty sure that SFO has A380 service.

nomarandlee Oct 30, 2010 11:48 AM

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http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhal...102910.article

City testing 'new marketing concepts' at O'Hare
October 29, 2010

BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter
The next time you wash your hands in an O’Hare Airport restroom, you might see more than your own reflection in the mirror.

City Hall is testing “new marketing concepts” at O’Hare that call for ads to be plastered on everything from 3-D bathroom mirrors and marketing kiosks to escalator handrails, moving walkways, and motion sensor LCD screens.

City Hall is testing “new marketing concepts” at O’Hare that call for ads to be plastered on everything from 3-D bathroom mirrors and marketing kiosks to escalator handrails, moving walkways, and motion sensor LCD screens.

They’re even slapping ads on those plastic bins that passengers use to put their shoes and valuables in while they’re passing through security checkpoints.

They’re even slapping ads on those plastic bins that passengers use to put their shoes and valuables in while they’re passing through security checkpoints.

It’s yet another outgrowth of Mayor Daley’s five-year-old “municipal marketing’ plan to turn city assets into money makers.

The airport ads are expected to generate up to $750,000 next year. But, Aviation Commissioner Rosemarie Andolino insisted that money is not the only motivation. Some of the ads serve a dual purpose.

An ultra-violet light in the escalator ad “sanitizes the rail…For H1NI issues and others, it allows us to sterilize the handrail as well as greeting people when they’re entering the escalator—with a ‘Welcome to Chicago’ or some other ad,” Andolino said after testifying Friday at City Council budget hearings.

“Our goal is [also] to have all of that new technology tie into our…alert system. So, if there was some type of an emergency, we would be able to override these systems and actually inform people—whether it be evacuation or information.”............

The city is also planning to offer “higher profile entertainment” at O’Hare and install more “recreational areas” to occupy antsy children enduring long delays while traveling with their parents............

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Jenner Nov 1, 2010 4:16 AM

AFAIK, the new taxiways designed according to the OMP should be able to handle a Category VI (6) type aircraft, which include the A380. However, the existing taxiways cannot support this type of craft, meaning that no A380s or 747-8 type craft can use the terminal core or the terminal core taxiways.

Group I - < 49' (15m)
Group II - 49' (15m) - <79' (24m)
Group III - 79' (24m) - <118' (36m)
Group IV - 118' (36m) - <171' (52m)
Group V - 171' (52m) - <214' (65m)
Group VI - 214' (65m) - <262' (80m)

Boeing 747-4 wingspan: 211 ft 5 in (64.4 m) (wikipedia)
Boeing 747-8 wingspan: 224 ft 7 in (68.5 m) (wikipedia)
Airbus 380 wingspan: 79.75 m (261.6 ft) (wikipedia)

I've seen satellite images where a 747 is docked in Concourse C, so I'm guessing that the terminal core taxiways are Group V compliant. If they aren't, then the tower must give some kind of special clearance to ensure that the 747 has the right-of-way.

Good point about the apron changes and gate modifications. My guess is that this may only affect T5, since the A380 is generally an international flying machine, rather than domestic.

spyguy Nov 9, 2010 5:55 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...next-year.html

Virgin America Sees Chicago O'Hare, Atlanta Flights Next Year
By Mary Jane Credeur - Nov 9, 2010


...Discussions with Chicago over gates at O’Hare airport, the nation’s second-busiest, have “moved forward” and may be resolved by year’s end, David Cush, chief executive officer of Virgin America, said yesterday in a telephone interview.

Virgin America wants to lease two gates in O’Hare’s Concourse L inside Terminal 3 that are now controlled by Delta Air Lines Inc., he said. The closely held carrier, based in Burlingame, California, has been trying to enter O’Hare for more than three years.

“If we can make progress in the next 60 days, I think you’ll see Virgin America in Chicago in April,” Cush said. “The city is making good progress in taking control of that concourse. We wish them success because we want in.”


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