Wow! I'm very familiar with this photo, but I had no idea whatsoever that that rough tracing in the land at left was to become Court Circle. That would make it one of the oldest residential streets in Los Angeles, wouldn't it? My goodness, I'm speechless. Thank you so much, gsj!

-Scott

Richard Schave has found the bunker hill scene from the outsiders on line.

you can view the whole bunker hill scene here

(as an added plus, the vintage 1969 ford maverick commercial is included)

Enjoy!

a great image from 1951 of the general petroleum building under construction at 7th and flower. nice backside views of the southland and richfield

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5108/...935b7aa6_o.jpg
Source: USC Digital Archive

The Baker Block - Then & Now
 

Great photo of one of my favorite buildings in vanished Los Angeles: the Baker Block (1877-1942).

WOW, such great photos of the 2nd Street tunnel and Court Circle! Very amazing.



I've always wondered what mush was. I remember they'd make references to it on The Little Rascals. To me, it always looked like Cream of Wheat, or grits. So it's cornmeal? Is it similar to polenta, then?

I agree, it's too bad the original library doesn't exist.

It was actually replaced in the 1950s (?) by this structure:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics23/00031179.jpg
LAPL

The current library dates from 2003; as you can see it was designed as an homage to the Craftsman architecture of the area with the use of river rock, exposed rafters, low-sloped roof, etc:
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7299/picture1nkx.png
Google Street View

I've been here a number of times, it's not far from where I live. It's actually a nice little library inside, but of course it's nothing like the original little neoclassical-style library that used to exist here.

I agree with you malumot. Why is the relocation of vintage buildings so rare, especially with today's modern technology?

Here are two of the photos I posted earlier in which you referenced.

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1...jjournal2a.jpg
unknown


below: The transportation of an apartment complex cut into three distinct pieces.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7...ptin3secti.jpg
unknown

sorry the pics are missing. [may 28, 2017]



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a very noirish image looking west across the civic center 1963

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5301/...7565c22e_o.jpg
Source: USC Digital Archive

A similar view facing the opposite direction, circa 1967.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5...center1967.jpg
usc arcives

two aerials one looking east from 1939, the other looking west from 1953.

in the 1939 aerial you can clearly see the old los angeles school building with the vacant area to the north and west of it, where it was proposed to relocate the school so it wouldn't be lost to the freeway construction.

in the 1953 building, the freeway is in place, and the school building is now gone forever. oh and that vacant space to the north and west of where the school once was?.......why a parking lot of course..........................

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5304/...ecabc86a_o.jpg
Source: USC Digital Archive

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5262/...804ab0f9_o.jpg
Source: USC Digital Archive

you can see what was probably the last remaining days of court circle

in this 1958 photo you can see that the west side of court circle (lower left of the photo), was actually spared from being obliterated by the hollywood freeway.....interesting

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...-1-6-ISLA?v=hr
Source: USC Digital Archive

Neat! Last night, I was archiving some recent pages in this thread and I noticed the spared portion of Court Circle in one of the photos, but this one shows it better. :D

Any more old Baist map pages a'comin', by any chance? :rolleyes:

-Scott

I go away for a few days and all hell breaks loose--but in a good way, of course. As for the pic above, I do like the Carnation Mush sign...but even more interesting in this shot is the "Julian Pete" sign advertising its "Definace" gasoline. Courtney Chauncey "C.C." Julian struck oil in the early '20s, and then must have decided that that was too easy--he began over-selling shares in his oil company. In a few years he'd swindled some big L.A. names as well as small, made enemies, and was finally brought down in one of the great scandals of '20s Los Angeles. I read a good book a while back about it called The Great Los Angeles Swindle--here's a review and a good synopsis of the Julian misadventure and its all-star cast: http://www.processedworld.com/Issues...33/julian1.htm


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics09/00024283.jpgLAPL
C.C. Julian: Even his end was dramatic--suicide by poisoning in Shanghai
in 1934


LinLorienelen: Re your post ( http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3652) about the corner of Orange and Lucas--great investigative work, great pictures. And thanks for your offer to be our investigative street archaeologist!


A colorful view of Court Circle:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_d...54712%20PM.jpghttp://www.historicmapworks.com

I looked up Court Circle in my 1943 Renie Atlas. I just had to see where it was in relation to what's there now.

It was located north of Mignonette, east of Beaudry, and of course it's now completely gone, not even half of the circle is there anymore:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/807/picture3in.png
Google Maps

:previous:


Here's an overlay of the circle on modern L.A.:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_d...84301%20PM.jpg


A fuller view:
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Overlay/?m=19413&c=US

Thank you GaylordWilshire and sopas_ej! The overlay helps a lot.

I have to ask......why did 'Court Circle' even exist?
Was it simply a speculative real estate venture?


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:) That's what's always intrigued me about it. Circles like that are usually reserved for city centers, areas of high traffic, and ritzy neighborhoods, and Court Circle appeared to be none of those. And now knowing that it was originally laid out in the mid-1870s even deepens the mystery for me. I can only speculate, but perhaps it was a ploy by the original land owners to get the county court house to be built at that location. Or perhaps to create a new upscale neighborhood there on the "outskirts" of town. On the basis of that photo of that one house on Court Circle that gsjansen posted, though, upscale that neighborhood definitely wasn't.

BTW, wasn't that very near a big early oilfield? I seem to recall a nearby hillside there being thickly populated by oil derricks around the turn of the last century...

-Scott

Give me the modernist one any day.... best out of the three.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5185/...1c0072c5_o.jpg
Source: historicmapworks.com

Looking at this 1910 Baist Real Estate Survey, there's a tunnel extension on Broadway starting around Fort Moore Place and running to Bellvue. Did this exist? Does anyone have more information on it? Thanks a ton, L.A. scholars.

:previous:
Re: the Broadway Tunnel, this post from earlier in this thread is a good start:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1035

For more images/info, copy/paste this string in Google:

site:skyscraperpage.com noirish "broadway tunnel"

Nice to have you with us, good sir! It's an honor, if I may say so. :worship:

-Scott

in this 1949 overlay map showing the route of the freeway system through downtown, the broadway tunnel still exists, (barely.....but it is there), you can see the full length of the tunnel.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/...abbf8dcb_o.jpg
Source: LAPL

(and why they couldn't spend the crummy $49,000.00 to move the old school building a measly 100 feet or so, is still something i can't understand.........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)