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Busy Bee Feb 21, 2024 4:00 PM
I'm in no way saying I prefer this casino proposal over Times Square or Coney Island but I wonder if they would fund a direct escalator with fare control into the mezzanine of the 34 St-Hudson Yds subway station. That would be very convenient for patrons to not have to exit to the east and then walk back above ground to the complex.

SkyHigher Feb 21, 2024 4:26 PM
Interesting but they are going to be blue boxes aren't they? Either way come on 1500ft plus enough of this between 1000ft-1300ft rubbish.

ESB was built nearly a century ago...

colemonkee Feb 21, 2024 4:55 PM
I actually prefer the Alternative massing option without the casino. Those two tall bulky super-talls don't step up to the first phase of Hudson Yards. And if one of those is red glass like the Dubai Wynn tower (albeit absent the branding on the crown), that's not a great look for the Hudson river skyline. Though Gary Hershorn will somehow make it look great regardless... ;)

Busy Bee Feb 21, 2024 5:06 PM
^I'm not sure I'd worry about it 'cause I don't see Related getting the casino license, but yes, stepped back from the Hudson is more aesthetically pleasing.

NYguy Feb 21, 2024 5:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 10148346)
Damn. Bigtime skyline boost.

These are tall, bulky towers. These three will really fill out the Midtown skyline. Very nice.

And at least we finally have some heights for Phase II. This will be epic.
The heights I would say are adjustable, but the numbers are what they aare sirking with.


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Originally Posted by SkyHigher (Post 10148392)
Interesting but they are going to be blue boxes aren't they? Either way come on 1500ft plus enough of this between 1000ft-1300ft rubbish
I doubt you get more blue glass, particularly with the Wynn casino. But pay no attention to those massings, which are reflective of the programming.



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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 10148454)
^I'm not sure I'd worry about it 'cause I don't see Related getting the casino license, but yes, stepped back from the Hudson is more aesthetically pleasing.
Judging by the boards own selection criteria, Related’s would likely get tge highest rating.

But I think the most noise among tge NIMBYs woukd be against the large podium, which is basically the casino complex.

One thing for sure, the old plan is dead. Related is all in on the office, as they have run out of room. At the same time, residential hasn’t done as well. In the beginning, they were expecting it to be the other way around.


BTW, though it doesn’t look it on the graphic, that residential tower is nearly 1,200 ft.



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...SizeRender.jpg



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...SizeRender.jpg

Zapatan Feb 21, 2024 6:34 PM
Holy cow!

That's what I'm talking about.

Sky88 Feb 21, 2024 6:55 PM
So this is Related's Hudson Yards casino project? Where would the spectacular tower be? But I believe it is only an initial, I would say rough, phase of the project.

From what I see, if tower A is 1,172 feet tall, then towers B and C (almost twins) would be much taller than 1,366 feet, perhaps 1,700+ feet.

If it were a problem, the large podium could be shortened and tower C made to grow in height, perhaps adding a restaurant sphere at the top. :)

NYguy Feb 21, 2024 7:21 PM
^ that graphic is not meant to be literal.


Consider the program massing to be something like this:


https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...i.IMG_1482.JPG



Which could get you something like this: (though the South St site is more limited)


https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...5b4o0y.r1e.jpg

BK1985 Feb 21, 2024 7:30 PM
Here's hoping for a rendering leak, lol.

NYguy Feb 21, 2024 7:37 PM
https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...500-apartments

Related's Hudson Yards casino bid: 3 skyscrapers, offices and 1,500 apartments


NICK GARBER
February 21, 2024


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….. The casino building, spanning 2.7 million square feet, would be built on the lot’s north side at the corner of West 33rd Street and 11th Avenue. Standing 80 stories and 1,200 feet tall, it would contain a 1,750-room hotel, ballroom and conference space, retail and restaurants, all standing atop a five-story “podium” containing the casino.


A 1,400-foot office tower would occupy the site’s southeast corner and also include a 750-seat public school. The southwest corner, finally, would become home to a 1,200-foot-tall apartment building with 1,507 units, including 324 that would be set aside as affordable. About 6 acres of public open space would span the area in between the new towers.

In addition to its main application with the state, Related has the extra hurdle of filing this plan with the city because it is seeking to change the terms of the 2009 rezoning that allowed them to develop Hudson Yards. Whereas that original deal called for six buildings atop the still-undeveloped Western Rail Yards, Related is trying to reduce the number to three but make the towers taller and denser — although the public school and affordable housing, promised to the community as part of the 2009 rezoning, will remain the same.

Related spokesman Jon Weinstein said in a statement that the casino development would be a $12 billion investment, pricier than Steve Cohen’s rival $8 billion plan for the site next to Citi Field — widely seen as one of the other most ambitious downstate proposals.
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”We are excited to continue engaging with stakeholders across the local community as part of the city land-use process for the undeveloped railyards,” Weinstein said. “As the state’s parallel process moves forward, we look forward to unveiling our full proposed plan which will provide thousands of jobs, billions in revenue and community benefits, a new park, affordable housing, a school and more.”

Weinstein said Related would be unlikely to pursue the same project without the gaming license, saying that component makes the whole development “viable.” (The planning documents spell out an “alternative scenario” showing how the development could be built without the casino, but Weinstein said that scenario was only included as a procedural step.)

skeena222 Feb 22, 2024 2:41 AM
Love site A, work needs to be done at the Marshall Yard
 
Would prefer a gaming podium to be built on the current marshalling yard than anywhere else on that site. Rework the northern end of the high line to feed directly into the gaming podium and unlock a whole nother block to build.

NYguy Feb 22, 2024 2:49 AM
Had a chance to do a little more reading. One thing I like about this proposal is that just like the eastern yards, it will be built in a single phase. But it is massive in scale, basically 3 Empire State Buildings being added to the skyline.



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...q7qwYj.p3b.jpg



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...7aXD0l.d14.jpg



I like that the residential tower still straddles the High Line. The programming of the open space will be interesting. The height of the casino podium could go a long way towards making the development feel less "tower in the parkish", and more like a Manhattan street, as long as they activate it properly at the street level.


https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...xgarQSS.d3.jpg



I wouldn't be surprised to hear calls for more affordable housing in the residential building, as a tradeoff for the casino.


https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...gPVpoxc.d1.jpg
https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...TSmsrP9.d2.jpg



Basic zoning for the western yards...


https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...Mj3moFj.d5.jpg



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...5Iv2hvA.d6.jpg



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...uBWtdSr.d7.jpg



Site A (residential)

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...VuliYHN.d8.jpg



Site B (office)

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...i4O80H8.d9.jpg



Site C (the Casino complex)

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...kfnhBi.d10.jpg



It'll take 5 years to build the entire complex.

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...tFRKBy.d11.jpg



It remains to be seen if Related has retained Gehry and Calatrava.

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...4zsjo0.d12.jpg




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...gDGEbU.d13.jpg





Quote:
Originally Posted by skeena222 (Post 10148965)
Would prefer a gaming podium to be built on the current marshalling yard than anywhere else on that site. Rework the northern end of the high line to feed directly into the gaming podium and unlock a whole nother block to build.

That's state land, and is most likely going to be used for more affordable housing, same as site K. It will also likely be put out to bid for a private developer to develop. Related already has the rights to build over the railyards.

NYguy Feb 22, 2024 3:28 AM
https://bnnbreaking.com/world/us/tra...r-hudson-yards

Transforming New York Skyline: $12 Billion Casino Project Proposes A New Vision for Hudson Yards


Rafia Tasleem
21 Feb 2024


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Imagine stepping into an area west of Hudson Yards in New York City, where the skyline is redefined by towering skyscrapers, not just with offices and apartments, but with the allure of a state-of-the-art casino, a plush hotel, and verdant open spaces. This is the vision presented by Related Companies, in partnership with Wynn Resorts, proposing a $12 billion casino project that promises to transform the cityscape and introduce a new era of urban development.

The Vision: A New Urban Oasis

The proposed project, sprawling over a 13-acre site above MTA's West Side Yard, seeks to marry luxury and leisure with community and sustainability. Envisioned are three skyscrapers that will house not just a 2.6 million-square foot casino and a 1,750-room hotel, but also offices, housing units, a public school, and over five acres of public open space. This ambitious development is not just about creating a new entertainment hub; it's about crafting a comprehensive ecosystem that caters to residents, visitors, and the community alike.

The Journey: From Proposal to Reality

Despite the dazzling prospects, the journey from proposal to reality is fraught with challenges. Securing one of the three downstate casino licenses, expected to be issued by the state, is just the first hurdle. The project also requires a rezoning approval from the city, a process that involves changing the terms of a previous rezoning deal and necessitates the construction of a platform over the rail yard.

As detailed in their rezoning application filed with the Department of City Planning, Related Companies and Wynn Resorts are prepared to navigate these obstacles, emphasizing the project's potential to generate thousands of jobs, billions in revenue, and significant community benefits. With construction estimated to span approximately five years, the vision for a transformed Hudson Yards by 2030 hinges on overcoming these regulatory challenges.

The Impact: Weighing Pros and Cons

The potential benefits of the project are immense. Aside from the thousands of jobs and billions in revenue, the development promises to provide substantial community benefits, including affordable housing, public open spaces, and educational facilities. However, as with any major urban development, there are concerns. The impact on local infrastructure, potential increases in traffic and congestion, and the social implications of introducing a large-scale casino into the community are issues that require careful consideration and dialogue with stakeholders. The promise of engaging with the local community and stakeholders is a step in the right direction, aiming to ensure that the project not only transforms the skyline but also enriches the fabric of the city.

NYguy Feb 22, 2024 3:56 AM
This image from Bohbrus gives an overview of the site...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bohbru...81582/sizes/l/


https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...a.Bohbrus1.jpg



https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...Q.Bohbrus2.jpg

NewYorkCity76 Feb 22, 2024 4:22 AM
Regardless of either the "Proposed Scenario" or "Alternative Scenario", the whole Western Yards plus the completed Eastern Yards would look like a completely new city :)

mrnyc Feb 22, 2024 8:41 AM
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Originally Posted by NewYorkCity76 (Post 10149043)
Regardless of either the "Proposed Scenario" or "Alternative Scenario", the whole Western Yards plus the completed Eastern Yards would look like a completely new city :)
absolutely. thats why hy is the top casino choice imo. :tup:

NYguy Feb 22, 2024 2:18 PM
^ I rank it #1.


https://casinonewspress.com/related-...s-casino-plan/

Hudson Yards to become a casino hotspot with $12 billion project


By Ace Highman
February 22, 2024


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Related Companies has partnered with Wynn Resorts, one of the leading operators of luxury casinos and resorts, to create a world-class gaming and hospitality experience at Hudson Yards. The casino resort would span 2.6 million square feet on the north side of the site, featuring a 1,750-room hotel, a ballroom, conference space, retail, restaurants, and a five-story casino. The casino would offer a variety of games, including slots, table games, poker, and sports betting, catering to different preferences and budgets.

The casino resort would also be a landmark for the city, as it would rise 80 stories and 1,200 feet tall, making it one of the tallest buildings in New York.

The design of the tower would reflect the modern and elegant style of Wynn Resorts, with a curved glass facade and a distinctive crown.

The resort would also offer stunning views of the Hudson River, the Manhattan skyline, and the surrounding greenery.
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The development would also include two other skyscrapers, one on the southeast corner and one on the southwest corner of the site. The southeast tower would be 1,400 feet tall and house 2 million square feet of office space and a 750-seat public school. The southwest tower would be 1,200 feet tall and contain 1,507 housing units, of which 324 would be affordable. The development would also provide six acres of public open space, including a park, a playground, and a plaza.

The project would bring significant benefits to the city and the community, according to Related Companies. The project would generate thousands of jobs, billions in revenue, and millions in taxes for the city and the state. The project would also contribute to the master plan of Hudson Yards, which is the largest private real estate development in the history of the United States. The project would create a vibrant and diverse neighborhood that would attract visitors, residents, and businesses.

Busy Bee Feb 22, 2024 2:39 PM
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Design of the tower would reflect the modern and elegant style of Wynn Resorts, with a curved glass facade and a distinctive crown.

This is what I consider a liability. I would submit a vote of zero confidence that a Wynn complex and tower would look like it belonged in New York and not Baku, Las Vegas or Macao.

NYguy Feb 22, 2024 5:29 PM
I don’t know about this ranking, supertalls are on the rise in the city, but each would be the tallest under construction in the US outside of New York…


https://www.usbets.com/wynn-resorts-...shape-skyline/

Wynn Resorts Casino Plan Would Reshape New York City Skyline
The $12 billion plan would result in three of the seven tallest buildings in the city


https://www.usbets.com/wp-content/up...4x615.jpg.webp


Jeff Edelstein
Feb 22, 2024


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Related Companies and Wynn Resorts have unveiled their objectively massive plan for what their New York City casino complex would look like.

In filings with the New York City Planning Department, the companies would take the 13 acres between West 30th and West 33rd Streets and Eleventh and Twelfth Avenues in Manhattan and build a trio of skyscrapers: a casino/hotel, an apartment complex, and an office building. Each one would be at least 74 stories tall.

Even by New York City standards, these are large buildings. The office complex would be the tallest of the three, clocking in at 1,366 feet, which would make it the third tallest building in the city.

The casino/hotel would be up to 1,189 feet, which would make it the sixth tallest building in New York, eclipsing the proposed apartment complex at 1,172 feet.

TonyNYC Feb 22, 2024 6:54 PM
[QUOTE=NYguy;10149207]^ I rank it #1.

AGREE!!!

I've ranked it #1 since the beginning and now even more so.. perfect location for it!!!


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