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TheRitsman Oct 10, 2018 7:10 PM

Apparently they are still working on this, no new information, but this was posted a couple weeks ago:

https://mccallumsather.com/inside-ti...e-restoration/

Dr Awesomesauce Oct 12, 2018 12:22 AM

Clearly a sketchy proposal or this would have been sorted by now...

TheRitsman Oct 12, 2018 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce (Post 8343322)
Clearly a sketchy proposal or this would have been sorted by now...

As per their requirements, they must complete the restoration of the theatre prior to construction of any residential or commercial building.

Chronamut Oct 12, 2018 2:49 PM

some useful info on this project:

https://pub-hamilton.escribemeetings...umentId=115453

https://thepublicrecord.ca/wp-conten...ning-Brief.pdf

And a view of the original facade for reference:

https://dynamicmedia.zuza.com/zz/m/o...___Gallery.jpg

hamilton23 Oct 12, 2018 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chronamut (Post 8343823)

It looks like the second link (and possibly the first) are both from 2014....

Chronamut Oct 12, 2018 3:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hamilton23 (Post 8343862)
It looks like the second link (and possibly the first) are both from 2014....

Yeah can't find anything more recent.. but that would make sense as those would have originally been proposed in 2014. The first is from after 2015.

Also I laugh at their use of "grand staircase" - that's not a grand staircase in the design.. it's just.. a.. staircase haha..

https://images.fineartamerica.com/im...ain-dreams.jpg

THAT'S a grand staircase.

hamilton23 Oct 12, 2018 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRitsman (Post 8341688)
Apparently they are still working on this, no new information, but this was posted a couple weeks ago:

https://mccallumsather.com/inside-ti...e-restoration/

It appears that the purpose of the architect posting this case study is to demonstrate the process to revitalize the old building. It doesn't necessarily mean the actual work mentioned is/will be completed. Your guess is as good as mine though.

Chronamut Oct 12, 2018 3:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hamilton23 (Post 8343872)
It appears that the purpose of the architect posting this case study is to demonstrate the process to revitalize the old building. It doesn't necessarily mean the actual work mentioned is/will be completed. Your guess is as good as mine though.

As it stands it's just currently another missing tooth in the mouth of the classy old lady that is miss hamilton.

hamilton23 Oct 12, 2018 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRitsman (Post 8343328)
As per their requirements, they must complete the restoration of the theatre prior to construction of any residential or commercial building.

The restoration proposal for the theatre has been out there for four plus years now. While our city can be slow to approve proposals at times, I have a hard time believing this wouldn't have been a while ago if everything checked out and if other factors also checked out. It's anyone's guess at this point.

Chronamut Oct 12, 2018 3:33 PM

Found this snippet from a site in 2016 which may give some insight:

"Tivoli developer Domenic Diamante is resisting the buzz, holding off on going to market for his 22-storey project until timelines are firmed up.

Diamante says he'd like to start immediately, but has to get through environmental and heritage work on the old James North theatre site.

"At best, it's going to take another three years … That's if everything moves along smoothly.""

So don't expect to see anything on this project until at least 2019.

TheRitsman Oct 12, 2018 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hamilton23 (Post 8343888)
The restoration proposal for the theatre has been out there for four plus years now. While our city can be slow to approve proposals at times, I have a hard time believing this wouldn't have been a while ago if everything checked out and if other factors also checked out. It's anyone's guess at this point.

Last I heard they were working on it. They said it would likely take until 2019 to complete the restoration. I have hope!

hamilton23 Oct 12, 2018 4:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRitsman (Post 8343896)
Last I heard they were working on it. They said it would likely take until 2019 to complete the restoration. I have hope!

It's a big undertaking! It's also important to note that it's almost the beginning of 2019 and no work on the restoration has taken place. It's great to be optimistic, but it would be difficult to complete all of what's proposed for the restoration of that properly by 2019. We'll see though!

TheRitsman Apr 20, 2019 4:41 AM

According to what I've heard this has no timelines at all anymore. So I'm going to file this into my dead folder.

matt602 Apr 20, 2019 9:25 AM

Just tonight I stumbled across a recent photo of the inside of the auditorium and I could definitely see some new water damage on a few of the walls. The hydro is still hooked up for now but apart from that, literally nothing else has changed. I wouldn't be surprised if the place slips back into abandonment, unless they sell to a more qualified developer (which could very well put the auditorium at risk of demolition)

timach Apr 20, 2019 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by matt602 (Post 8546875)
Just tonight I stumbled across a recent photo of the inside of the auditorium and I could definitely see some new water damage on a few of the walls. The hydro is still hooked up for now but apart from that, literally nothing else has changed. I wouldn't be surprised if the place slips back into abandonment, unless they sell to a more qualified developer (which could very well put the auditorium at risk of demolition)


At this point let them demolish the whole thing. If a new devolpers wants to actually build here, let them build. Better than letting this place to sit vacant and rot

TheRitsman Apr 20, 2019 6:52 PM

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Originally Posted by timach (Post 8547036)
At this point let them demolish the whole thing. If a new devolpers wants to actually build here, let them build. Better than letting this place to sit vacant and rot

I was at the Elgin theatre last night, and while the Tivoli is nowhere near the same level, it is sad that we just tear these down and never build anything of similar quality. We should try to preserve what we were able to save.

matt602 Apr 21, 2019 7:03 AM

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Originally Posted by timach (Post 8547036)
At this point let them demolish the whole thing. If a new devolpers wants to actually build here, let them build. Better than letting this place to sit vacant and rot

The Tivoli is literally the last theatre of it's era located within downtown and while there is water damage and mold, a restoration should be more than do-able. Buildings that were in far worse condition have been restored downtown (Lister Block, parts of the Royal Connaught, Victoria Hall/McKay building, probably most of the upper part of 10 James N). Recent restorations to the Westdale and Playhouse theatres prove there is obviously a business case for restoration versus demolition and the location of the Tivoli couldn't possibly be better for it, right in the centre of the most desirable part of downtown right now.

The problem is the current owners, not the structure. The fact that they had to resort to a "toonie drive" a decade ago proves that they were never really in the financial position to build a condo tower in the first place, let alone restore the existing auditorium.

movingtohamilton Apr 21, 2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by timach (Post 8547036)
At this point let them demolish the whole thing. If a new devolpers wants to actually build here, let them build. Better than letting this place to sit vacant and rot

Just one more example of what Hamilton specializes in. Demolition-by-neglect. It's a defeatist attitude, and should not be promoted imo.

Pipedreams Apr 21, 2019 3:12 PM

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Originally Posted by matt602 (Post 8547440)
The problem is the current owners, not the structure. The fact that they had to resort to a "toonie drive" a decade ago proves that they were never really in the financial position to build a condo tower in the first place, let alone restore the existing auditorium.

The classic problem with heritage buildings, everyone likes the idea of them being restored but very few people can afford to do so. So what we are left with is heritage buildings in ruin throughout the downtown with hopes that someday someone with deep pockets will sweep them up and restore them. Historic buildings are beautiful, and I agree with that they are preferable to generic new builds but unless we as a society are ready to pay for the costs of restoring them (either through taxation or only having unaffordable "luxury" condo's built on their grounds) then we have to allow for some of them to be replaced.

Crapht Apr 21, 2019 3:47 PM

Effort Trust should step up and partner with the owners or the city and demolish their plaza beside the Tivoli because it's disgusting. Restore the Tivoli and build the tower beside the theatre at the corner of Wilson and Hughson. The remaining property along James From CBC to Wilson should be a public space called Tivoli Square. That's my wish for the property.


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