These people are delusional. This area was a desolate, disgusting dump before the HY was built. Phase II will make it even better.

Does anyone remember this vile McDonald’s?

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One thing everyone has got to understand - including these reporters - is that the casino bidding process hasn't even started yet. Everything moving through any type of approval process now is land-use related. The casino approval process is to begin this summer.



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Hudson Yards West project with proposed casino moves closer to approval; will plans help give MTA a financial boost?


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By Barbara Russo-Lennon
April 9, 2025



One thing that was made clear from an earlier meeting is that, even if the original site planning was financially viable (it isn't), the MTA has already rejected that plan as not compatible with the railyards.

Very good news. Nice to see the City Planning Commission enthusiastically approve the project.

So if Wynn/Related is awarded the license, this proposal can proceed? (It will easily obtain financing.)

It’s not a matter of getting the license, as there is an aternative without the casino. The site plan would change regardless. It would just enable Related to submit a bid for a casino license.

Thanks. So these putzes who opposed the change of plans from what was originally approved have been thwarted?

The City Council will have the final vote, or send it back to City Planning for further changes.

The change in site plan allows for 2 scenarios - with a casino and without.



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Does this indicate that Related must break up the podium into two separate buildings? That would suck.

That’s the alternative scenario, without the casino.

Thanks. So if they get the license, the full podium that was initially shown will still be built?

Related/Wynn have the absolute best plan by far.

This is going to be incredible.

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Yes. That’s what the alternative scenario is for, in case they don’t.

Thanks. Let's hope that the City makes the sensible decision.

Is the opposition primarily to the casino or the entire development in general?

They claim to want the thousands of condos - which Related has stated would start at $5 million and up - that were eliminated from the plan. Nobody in New York is demanding that, just the opposite in reality. They’re also using the argument that it will harm the High Line and block views from it. Something so stupid, it defies all logic and common sense. They’re not even fighting for more affordable units, something the borough president said he would like.

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April 10, 2025

ZONING VOTE CLEARS KEY HURDLE
New York: Hudson Yards casino proposal gains momentum with City Planning Commission approval

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https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/04/...casino-debate/

NYC comptroller hopeful Justin Brannan nets key union support amid Hudson Yards casino debate


By CHRIS SOMMERFELDT
April 10, 2025

This will be the most sybaritic casino in the world.

The free drinks will be served in golden chalices.

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

A place apropos for 007 and Pussy Galore!

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Now we shall see how much they really wanted that housing....


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Developers “Think Outside the Box” to Add More Housing at Hudson Yards West


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https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...ubling-housing

Related sweetens embattled Hudson Yards casino with 2,500 new apartments


Nick Garber
4/25/25

I’m fine with this. The office tower didn’t look that great. Also, I think that there’s more demand for office space in midtown right now.

I wouldn’t be surprised if BP’s 34th St tower is converted to housing.

The office space in Hudson Yards is filled. The demand is strong there, so strong in fact that Related sold the former retail space vacated by NM to Wells Fargo to be converted to more office space. When they said they could start building the office tower today, they weren't lying.

Meanwhile, the switch to so many residential units means that this phase likely won't be built all at once, with the residential towers being phased in. That could take a decade or more.

Still, it will be interesting to see how the NIMBYs really feel about all of this expensive, new housing that they have been demanding.

Old compared to new...


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the W42 group is already claiming on twitter that related dropped the casino in lieu for this, LMAO. meanwhile you can see the edge of the casino in the image.

I think I'm disappointed a bit by this, not because of the increase in housing (that is always needed) but the lack of a visual impact on the southern end of the western yards. They are both relatively short. I wish they could have figured out a way of adding more housing without sacrificing the office tower.

Lame.

Terrible.

These towers are SHORT.

A massive loss for NYC.

I'm sorry, but those thousands of market rate ($4 million +) condos is not something NYC needs, especially when condos are going up all over the city. As far as those idiots claiming victory over the casino, they're as stupid as they always have been.

Disappointing but most proposals overshoot, I'd still be happy with a ~1,200 footer since it seems that's part of the plan.

The other 7-800 foot towers are alright, the designs are at least unique.


Could Empire Station / Port Authority developments still lead to a 400+ meter tower? It would be nice for this area to have one of those someday.




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There was no overshoot here. They have once again shifted plans. It now remains to be seen if the city/state will accept the financing model to get the platform built. They did it with the first phase, but there are critics for everything. Also, the alternative scenario (should they not get the casino license) could show the return of the office tower.

BTW, the whole purpose of redeveloping the area isn’t just so a 400 meter tower can rise.

Oh Hmm, I stupidly assumed the additional units were "affordable".

Besides Gehry's planned res tower and the high-line the entirety of the Hudson Yards complex is extraordinarily bland, corporate and boring. The Urban development is terrible and there's no small businesses in the area.. devoiding it of soul.

I actually like the revised proposal better. But maybe one consolation will be that some of the other office proposals next to HY will be built sooner and maybe will be even taller, like 70 HY.

I suspect that Related had discussions with possible office tenants, and none were interested. I'd rather work on Madison or Park than in the HY. If an iconic office design were in the works, I'd be disappointed, but what was shown was nothing great (though it wasn't as lousy as Foster's Miami Citadel tower, which is utterly horrible).

This is a better proposal skyscraper/skyline wise imo, but why would it not be built NYGuy? Wouldn't the Wynn make it financially viable?

Edit: Misread the comment, didn't realize you said wouldn't be built *all at once*, which definitely would be the case due to these useless luxury apartments.

I'm fine with this, as long as it increases the likelihood of approval. NYC does need housing. If there's future interest in corporate towers around Hudson Yards, there are still sites for jumbo supertalls.

I know but it would still be cool, if someone does want to build one though Empire Station or PABT could be it.

There used to be a site for Wynn New York, but it seems that it was removed.

I cared most about the casino tower/hotel, the original residential tower, and the park, all of which look amazing. The office tower was one of Foster's duds, like 50 HY, though not as terrible as Citadel Miami, which is absurd.

Also, I'd rather see no competition for 175 HY. I hope that BP's and Moinian's fat HY dud and Related's proposed box in the HY are also switched to residential. The HY should become more of a residential area.

This looks amazing.

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I actually think it looks a lot better by adding some more height variation

That's another maddening thing about it. These people weren't even asking for more affordable units, even as Related specifically told them that the units they were asking for would be the luxury condos.



I actually wish Related could get the 3 Hudson Yards site. Then we would finally see that one rise.



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Again, NYC doesn't need more luxury housing. I'm not against the housing, but those people insisting that the city needs the housing are not speaking for the vast majority of the city. The city needs affordable housing. All you need to know about the Hudson Yards at this point is this:


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It's important to keep in mind that the casino approval process hasn't even begun yet (it will start this summer), and that's when the real rounds of approval begin, where the proposals still can be sent back to the drawing boards for revisions. Thank the governor for this waste of time, but that's how it is.

But the thing they will be looking at the most is economic development. I'm not sure this new financing method puts this proposal in a stronger position. Also, Related will most certainly not be able to put 4,000 condo units on the market at once. They have had trouble moving the units they have built there in the past (which is the reason they shifted away from the resi plan in the first place).

As for the NIMBYS claim that the development will harm the High Line, I don't see how this changes the argument, stupid as it may be. There really isn't much difference, save for an extra tower.




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There’s a huge demand for luxury condos in NY — just not here. This is still an area in development and an isolated one too. 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th Avenues are basically highways for trucks. This whole area needs a serious road diet and more greenery like Field Operations plans for Fifth.

If I had $5 million+ to spend on a condo, I'm not spending it in HY. Maybe one day, but not now. The average condo prices are so high bc there's nothing but super luxury new construction in that area.

The point is to get Phase II approved and moving forward with platform. If this moves things forward, I'm for it. If there's a demand for HY office supertalls, they'll get built.

I completely agree. :cheers:

It's already been mentioned several times mostly by NYguy that the entire Phase II complex is veing designed by SOM, F+P did not have any part in any of the buildings.

I look forward to this.

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Condos are in demand, but it's very localized. (Affordable units are more in demand citywide). No one is building 4,000 condos, that have to be sold. Related went into this with the idea that the second phase of developments, the condos, would carry the entire development. That turned out not to be the case. Things are further complicated by the fact that the MTA insists that the current approved plan is unworkable for the railyards. It's why there will now be a podium structure with or without the casino. One way or another, the plan has to be altered.

These people demanding the housing be built out of need are the same people trying to restrict the amount of housing being built in the surrounding area. Let that sink in. They only demand more housing as an alternative to whatever is being proposed, both here and at the Penn redevelopment sites. Yet as the city is trying to get more housing built in the greater surrounding area, these community boards are trying to restrict it. You can't take anything they say seriously, and they get absoulutely zero sympathy from me.

I think that affordable housing demands in Manhattan are ridiculous. No one has a right to live in one of the most expensive areas in the world. They should build tons of housing in the Bronx and lousy areas of Brooklyn, Queens, and SI. Huge infusions of new housing would help to revive those areas too.

There should be hundreds of thousands of affordable housing units built every where in every corner of the city. And yes that includes Manhattan.

I disagree, but I respect your opinion.

Well, the railyards is a state owned property, meaning the people. So I don’t find it outrageous to ask for some affordable housing. But lets compare Related’s 4,000 units with 325 units of affordable housing to the Con Ed site proposal:


That’s more than a third of the units that would be dedicated to affordable housingon private property. I’m someone who doesn’t think you have a right to affordable housing everywhere, but if you are going to do it, public land would be best. Still, there are a lot if factors that go into it.

We haven't discussed it much, but I think we should keep in mind the alternative scenario - the one without the casino license.



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https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...e-city-council

Related pleads its casino rezoning case at City Council


NICK GARBER
April 29, 2025