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NYguy Feb 14, 2025 1:45 PM
https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...nother-setback

Related’s casino gets thumbs-down from borough president in another setback


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Nick Garber
February 14, 2025


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Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine will oppose the zoning changes the Related Cos. needs to build its Hudson Yards casino complex – another setback for the megaproject as it contends with well-funded opposition from the nearby High Line.

Levine, who shared his decision exclusively with Crain’s, emphasized that he supports development on the Western Rail Yards — the 13-acre train yard to the west of Hudson Yards. But he opposes Related’s current plan because it would reduce the amount of housing that Related had committed to building under a 2009 deal with the city. He also echoed the objections of Friends of the High Line, which says the bulky buildings would block views and cast shadows over the linear park.
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While mostly symbolic, Levine’s rejection could put pressure on local City Councilman Erik Bottcher, who may control the fate of the rezoning when it faces final approval by the council this spring. It also carries weight for other reasons: Levine is one of the local officials who will appoint members to the six-person committees that will hold binding votes on every casino plan this summer, and if his appointee votes no, Related could have a tough time getting the four votes it will need to advance to the final round.
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In his recommendation, Levine suggested Related could win his support by adding more housing to conform with the 2009 plan, or by simply adding more affordable units. He also said the developer may need to reduce the size of the podium containing the hotel-casino, which would sit near the High Line’s northern terminus.

But Natalie Ravitz, a Related spokeswoman, called Levine’s suggestions unfeasible, saying that it would not earn enough money by adding residential units to pay for the costly platform Related needs to build over the existing train yard.

“There is no getting around the fact that the site cannot be developed without first paying for the $2 billion platform over the rail yards, and unfortunately it is simply not viable to pay for the platform with housing,” Ravitz said. “The housing units removed from the plan were multi-million dollar, luxury condos that the west side does not need and the market does not support.”
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Related says it has met with Friends of the High Line 10 times and has made four changes to its plan in response to the group’s concerns, including changing the shape of the casino podium, rotating the base of a residential tower to preserve views from the High Line, and reducing the frontage of an office tower

Related, despite its hurdles, is still seen as a leading contender given the sheer size of its plan, which has endeared it to powerful labor unions.



https://nypost.com/2025/02/14/us-new...ng-opposition/

By Carl Campanile
Feb. 14, 2025


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Community Board 4 — which represents the Hudson Yards neighborhood — voted unanimously last month against approving a zoning change to allow the project by Related Companies and Wynn to proceed, saying it would be bad for the neighborhood.

Friends of the High Line said dangling money won’t win support for the project.

“The fact that Related and Wynn are now trying to buy our community off shows just how out of touch they are. They need to scrap this plan and do what they should have done in the first place — work with the community to develop the Western Rail Yards in a way that increases housing, creates new jobs and protects the High Line,” said Friends of the High Line executive director Alan Van Capelle.

Under the city’s Uniformed Land Use Procedure, the local board has a right to weigh in on the zoning change, though the vote is only a recommendation.

Ultimately, the City Council must sign off along with city planners in Mayor Eric Adams’ administration.

ChiND Feb 14, 2025 1:54 PM
Is it correct that Levine cannot unilaterally defeat this?

This project is a gift to NY.

NYguy Feb 14, 2025 2:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10371878)
Is it correct that Levine cannot unilaterally defeat this?

It will follow the same approvals process as any other project. It comes down to what the City Planning and the City Council will do.

But no approvals for any casino have begun yet. This is just to get to the starting line. The Borough President is one of 6 votes to make up the board that will send recommendations to the siting board down the line. You need to get 4 out of 6 votes there. There is no reason for the governor, mayor, or any borough president (each who have a vote on the board) to be voting no on any of the proposals, this guy is just a fool.

ChiND Feb 14, 2025 2:13 PM
Thanks. I agree that he’s a putz who’s pandering to the public.

NYguy Feb 14, 2025 9:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10371870)
https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...nother-setback

Related’s casino gets thumbs-down from borough president in another setback

A little more from this idiots recommendation...


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They need to stop hiding behind the High Line as an excuse. There are already multiple supertall buildings around it, and it's part of the experience. Likewise, insisting that thousands more condos be built is tone deaf. The 2009 site plan already had flexibility built into it. The size of the development remains the same.

ssh Feb 14, 2025 11:37 PM
Obviously it excludes the casino aspect, but I don't mind the alternative. Two more towers means a denser looking HY skyline.

The New York Lion Feb 15, 2025 12:20 AM
I think Related and the Hudson Yards proposal will get the license.

This will be right there with the greatest casinos on planet Earth.

Maybe the best.

The New York Lion Feb 15, 2025 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10371878)
Is it correct that Levine cannot unilaterally defeat this?

This project is a gift to NY.
Levine may not even be Manhattan borough president much longer.

He's running for comptroller this November.

NYguy Feb 15, 2025 1:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ssh (Post 10372331)
Obviously it excludes the casino aspect, but I don't mind the alternative. Two more towers means a denser looking HY skyline.
It would be 5, not 2. And the whole point of it is that plan is no longer financially viable - meaning it’s not getting built.

NYguy Feb 15, 2025 3:43 AM
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mrnyc Feb 15, 2025 11:04 AM
i don’t get levine. its not like they are building on dirt. this project is hellishly complicated and expensive. its not getting built without the casino money generator. if he wants to be comptroller you would think he would understand the finances of hy a little better.

Mulan Feb 15, 2025 12:48 PM
Hudson Yards Phase Two and the northern plot were to be used for housing. Instead of the casino, two 1600-foot Twin Towers could be built. Which rise above a five-story podium. This could accommodate up to 4000 apartments, or more. Another good location for housing is Red Hook. This could be built denser and higher than Gowanus.

The New York Lion Feb 15, 2025 2:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 10372528)
i don’t get levine. its not like they are building on dirt. this project is hellishly complicated and expensive. its not getting built without the casino money generator. if he wants to be comptroller you would think he would understand the finances of hy a little better.
He's just pandering for votes.

Sky88 Feb 15, 2025 3:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ahoi (Post 10372546)
Hudson Yards Phase Two and the northern plot were to be used for housing. Instead of the casino, two 1600-foot Twin Towers could be built. Which rise above a five-story podium. This could accommodate up to 4000 apartments, or more. Another good location for housing is Red Hook. This could be built denser and higher than Gowanus.
I agree with you, on the Hudson Yards Phase Two site, they could build the five-story podium with the two 1600/1700 foot tall Twin Towers on top. They could also build a sphere-shaped casino that could be built both on the site and on the water in front of it. While on the North site, they could build a tower similar to the one proposed for the 100 Gold Street project in Lower Manhattan with 2,000/3,000 residential units plus a school.

In any case, I think everyone is waiting for the election of the new mayor and governor to proceed with the projects.

HyperPower Feb 15, 2025 4:14 PM
The casino will definitely generate enough return on investment to make the project profitable... However at the same time if you're a business located at Hudson yards which has upscale five-star shopping and residential do you really want to draw that crowd to the Hudson yards? yes they'll be a few high rollers but the majority of people aren't high rollers and you'll have a lot of homeless people hanging around with degenerates gambling and getting drunk.. not exactly the crowd wanted hanging around your office or multi-million dollar residential unit. Think Times Square and Penn station I mean that's the crowd you'll be drawing.. vagrants and loiters.

But as mentioned before I think everyone just waiting for the new elections for the governor and mayor to move forward on these huge projects. Something will be built here It's just too valuable.

ohhey Feb 15, 2025 6:05 PM
They should build a Las Vegas-Nevada casino & hotel (& residences) on Hudson Yards in the style of and as a counterpart to the New York-New York casino & hotel in Vegas. :2cents::runaway:

NYguy Feb 15, 2025 7:21 PM
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Originally Posted by HyperPower (Post 10372622)
The casino will definitely generate enough return on investment to make the project profitable... However at the same time if you're a business located at Hudson yards which has upscale five-star shopping and residential do you really want to draw that crowd to the Hudson yards?
They already went over that, and I don't know what type of "crowd" you expect, but Wynn casinos are very classy establishments. It hardly matters, the Hudson Yards draws in tourists from every corner.






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Originally Posted by Ahoi (Post 10372546)
Hudson Yards Phase Two and the northern plot were to be used for housing. Instead of the casino, two 1600-foot Twin Towers could be built. Which rise above a five-story podium. This could accommodate up to 4000 apartments, or more.
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Originally Posted by Sky88 (Post 10372609)
I agree with you, on the Hudson Yards Phase Two site, they could build the five-story podium with the two 1600/1700 foot tall Twin Towers on top.

I see there's still confusion as to what was supposed to be built, what can be built, and what will be built. I'll try to clear it up (though no doubt I will be repeating myself soon enough).



Firstly, the maximum FAR on the site is 10. That's it. Very low for a prime Manhattan location, or anywhere in Manhattan for that matter. But people have prioritized "open space" as a magic elixir. They don't take into account having too much open space. That's why many people feel the Hudson Yards doesn't really feel like New York. It's not very dense, no matter how tall you build, because they're only allowed that total maximum far of 10. That won't change no matter the mix of development. It comes out to about 5.7 msf.


Secondly, the ratio of development was mixed at a maximum/minimum of 20/80, either residential or commercial. That means either a minimum of 20% could be residential or office. It works likewise with the maximum.




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Related's entire programming of both east and west railyards was driven by the high end condos. That's what they were expecting to make the whole thing worthwhile. But the funny thing is that the office took off way better than was expected, and the residential has lagged. That in turn has caused the retail to lag somewhat, because it was based on having all of those high end customers living there. So much so that when Neiman went bankrupt, Related immediately pivoted to office for that space, which was quickly bought up by Wells Fargo.

Without the casino plan, Related likely would have pivoted to more office space anyway. The market for thousands of units of mult-million dollar condos just wasn't coming like they thought it would. But the commitment to affordable housing had to stay the same. And so it has.




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So, circling back to my earlier point, there's way too much open space here, especially considering you've got the Hudson River Park, the High Line, Hudson Boulevard, and a smaller city park nearby.




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Since the casino development would make the entire thing viable, they could sacrifice some of that open space for a couple more affordable towers (they won't). But nobody is even asking for that. They want the open space, and those thousands of units of condos that the market isn't demanding.

That's the level of stupidity at work here, and the BP knows it. The community boards all effectively work for the borough presidents. So he's trying to walk a fine line by saying there's room for improvement, but that's not what the morons want.

In the end, they could build 10,000 condos along with the casino, but it's the casino that they don't want.

Mulan Feb 15, 2025 8:14 PM
Man could if zoning and FAR could allow it. Build something great here, my dream would be to build a twin tower complex here up to 2300 feet tall. Or something similar that would be worthy of the old "Age of Ramses" title. But alas, thanks NYguy for the illustration.

Sky88 Feb 16, 2025 1:03 AM
I honestly would have preferred something like this. It's my personal idea not a real project... A sphere shaped casino with a 1,700 ft hotel/office tower next to it. The rest of the site schools and affordable apartments. That way I would have shut up those stupid people who don't want the casino. :)

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ssh Feb 16, 2025 1:07 AM
This city is so frustrating sometimes. Most of the time actually.

NYguy Feb 16, 2025 4:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sky88 (Post 10372881)
I honestly would have preferred something like this. It's my personal idea not a real project... A sphere shaped casino with a 1,700 ft hotel/office tower next to it. The rest of the site schools and affordable apartments. That way I would have shut up those stupid people who don't want the casino. :)

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Yes, they would have loved that giant sphere, and an even higher supertall. Just face it already, there is nothing that is going to please the NIMBYs.

BK1985 Feb 16, 2025 7:01 PM
I would definitely like to see a MSG sphere on one of the west side piers

ssh Feb 16, 2025 9:01 PM
No thanks, trashy/tacky little ball.

UrbanImpact Feb 17, 2025 2:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ssh (Post 10373174)
No thanks, trashy/tacky little ball.
I think the sphere would be fine and an awesome idea as long as the sphere is covered up within a building and without the exterior light display in a Non-Times Square New York City location.

NYguy Feb 17, 2025 3:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BK1985 (Post 10373117)
I would definitely like to see a MSG sphere on one of the west side piers
Dolan (who built the Las Vegas Sphere) thought about it, but it was too costs prohibitive. Related tried to get an MSG move to the railyards, also declined. That would have done nothing more than anger the NIMBYs, who fought tooth and nail over the proposed Jets stadium. As it is now, they're lucky they aren't getting either of those things, but they can never be pleased.


There are some who spoke out, but the "community boards" don't actually represent the community. They represent the NIMBY arm, because only NIMBYs will actually join a community board. No one joins a community board to demand more development.


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Despite supporters showing up in large numbers of community board meetings over the past few months to ask them to vote in favor, the board inexplicably wants to issue a blanket denial of the project. Fortunately, their vote isn’t binding, and there is another way forward – working together to make this project a reality.

Related has already updated their plans to reflect community feedback. Together, we can ask for additional changes that are realistic for the development and better for those of us who live nearby. If we can do that, in less than five years the community would have a brand-new park, keys to new apartments, thousands of new jobs, and dozens of new restaurants, coffee shops and stores in the surrounding area. It’s time for our elected officials to step up and move the plan ahead.

If not, we will just have a hole in the ground and some bragging rights that we blocked yet another development that wasn’t quite perfect.

Those voices were ignored.



Related also spoke on the matter:

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In his recommendation, Levine suggested Related could win his support by adding more housing to conform with the 2009 plan, or by simply adding more affordable units. He also said the developer may need to reduce the size of the podium containing the hotel-casino, which would sit near the High Line’s northern terminus.

But Natalie Ravitz, a Related spokeswoman, called Levine’s suggestions unfeasible, saying that it would not earn enough money by adding residential units to pay for the costly platform Related needs to build over the existing train yard.

“There is no getting around the fact that the site cannot be developed without first paying for the $2 billion platform over the rail yards, and unfortunately it is simply not viable to pay for the platform with housing,” Ravitz said. “The housing units removed from the plan were multi-million dollar, luxury condos that the west side does not need and the market does not support.”

Meanwhile:


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Community Board 4 — which represents the Hudson Yards neighborhood — voted unanimously last month against approving a zoning change to allow the project by Related Companies and Wynn to proceed, saying it would be bad for the neighborhood.

Friends of the High Line said dangling money won’t win support for the project.

“The fact that Related and Wynn are now trying to buy our community off shows just how out of touch they are. They need to scrap this plan and do what they should have done in the first place — work with the community to develop the Western Rail Yards in a way that increases housing, creates new jobs and protects the High Line,” said Friends of the High Line executive director Alan Van Capelle.

This is why you don't bring idiots to the table. What jobs do they think they are bringing by reverting back to housing? And how exactly will developing the railyards - which would happen in either scenario - harm the High Line?

Sky88 Feb 17, 2025 4:12 PM
I believe that Community Board 4, Friends of the High Line and Levine will not be able to stop Related’s casino project. None of them can raise the $2 billion to pay for the platform over the rail yards and therefore cannot force Related to build affordable housing. Their protests are futile. Everyone is now waiting to see who the new mayor of the city will be before they move forward with the various projects.

NYguy Feb 17, 2025 7:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sky88 (Post 10373560)
Everyone is now waiting to see who the new mayor of the city will be before they move forward with the various projects.
This is the second time this was repeated, and its just stupid. Developers are trying to get financing for various projects, and nothing will move forward without it. Administrations come and go, tenants who need space remains constant.

NYguy Feb 20, 2025 2:27 PM
https://w42st.com/post/controversial...ssion-hearing/

City Grills Developers Over Hudson Yards Casino Plan at Western Rail Yards

by Dashiell Allen
2/20/25


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Garodnick questioned why a 200-foot podium, used to house the gaming facility in the proposed project, is also featured in the alternative plan which includes an office tower, a residential tower, and a 700-room hotel.

When asked if Related had considered other designs, Rosen admitted, “Frankly, we don’t have as much specificity with that plan as you do with the proposed projects, because we’ve been working hard on … pursuing the gaming license, and that’s been our focus.”

Garodnick also asked why Related had not pursued a special permit that would allow it to build a hotel — which, he noted, could be done even if the developer had not secured an operator for the alternative plan.
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“It does feel like we’re missing a little bit of the design element and the layout element in the alternative,” he said, adding that he hoped the developers would work with the planning commission in the next several weeks before it takes a final vote.

When asked by another commissioner, David Gold, about why the 2009 plan is unfeasible, Rosen repeated that it would cost $2 billion alone to construct a platform over the rail yards.

He also shared that the weight distribution of a podium, compared to the buildings in the original 2009 plan, would allow for columns with a smaller width above the train tracks below, something he said was not known when the original plan was agreed upon.
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The City Planning Commission is expected to vote on Related’s proposed zoning changes at an upcoming meeting, the date of which has not been determined, a spokesperson for the Department of City Planning told W42ST. After the Planning Commission, it will be voted on by City Council, which typically defers to local members, in this case Councilman Erik Bottcher.

How do you not know by now that those 4,000 units are not for affordable housing?


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Hell’s Kitchen resident and member of the W47/48th Street block association Catherine Lafferty said she doesn’t “want the city to cannibalize its existing cultural resources like the High Line.”

Instead of a casino, she suggested, “in addition to the much needed 4,000 or more affordable housing units, New York City is a cultural center on so many levels — why not offer a museum on our Hudson?”

In contrast, Kim Hoover, treasurer of the West Chelsea Block Association said her group is in favor of the proposal. “[It] will not only transform the site into a bustling, lively complex featuring a world class casino, affordable housing and additional restaurants and retail, but will also bring in additional security presence to our neighborhoods,” she said.

NYguy Feb 21, 2025 3:49 PM
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ChiND Feb 21, 2025 3:55 PM
This looks INCREDIBLE.

NYguy Feb 21, 2025 8:19 PM
I think there's still too much open space in this plan. But the amount of lush landscaping this project would bring to the area is more than the foolish NIMBYs who claim they want park space would get otherwise.



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The New York Lion Feb 21, 2025 8:36 PM
Utterly spectacular.

ajbeaver25 Feb 22, 2025 12:19 AM
The new proposal is so much better, since I prefer building volume over quantity/height. I would rather have 3 vanderbilts than 6 billionaires row buildings.

mrnyc Feb 22, 2025 12:31 AM
i don’t care what they do as long as it gets built out, but yeah these plans are pretty terrific. :cheers:

NYguy Feb 25, 2025 1:44 AM
Some Q&A with Related from City Planning at their review session last week...



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NYguy Feb 25, 2025 4:52 PM
Should also point out that Related has shifted to the need for the platform base, casino or not.

NYguy Mar 6, 2025 2:15 AM
Now that Related is strictly podium, casino or not, they are proposing changes that would see a north/south opening in the non-casino scenario.



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NYguy Mar 6, 2025 3:05 AM
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is it being strictly podium good or bad?
Only strictly podium as it relates to the earlier plan. Related's site plan changes now includes the podium scenario should they not get the casino license, to be topped by office/hotel/residential. Makes sense, the railyards have to be developed either way.

ChiND Mar 6, 2025 4:17 AM
If this proposal is not selected, it would be an egregious crime that would warrant investigation by the ICC.

Lincolnlover2005 Mar 6, 2025 6:00 PM
I finished my 3D model of Hudson Yards Phase 2
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Feel free to check it out!
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TK2001 Mar 6, 2025 6:26 PM
Great work! And great job making the west faces of 40 HY flush, renderings show those sections stacking up like stairs while the plans show the flush side

NYguy Mar 11, 2025 1:37 AM
They've already done a lot on the west side, but the railyards development needs to be completed, and this is a big opportunity to do that.



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NYguy Mar 31, 2025 12:01 AM
They've included a webcam on this Gateway information page...



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Hudson Yards Concrete Casing – Section 3
The Hudson Yards Concrete Casing – Section 3 Project will provide the vital link that connects the new Hudson River Tunnel to New York Penn Station.


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This project involves extending the existing concrete casing on a diagonal alignment from 11th Avenue to 30th Street, where it will link up with the new tunnel.

HYCC-3 will be approximately 500 feet long, 60 feet wide, and 60 feet high. Its structure will consist of heavily reinforced concrete ranging from 3.5 to 10 feet thick to support future loading from the overbuild platform. A waterproofing membrane will cover its perimeter.

Sections 1 and 2 of the concrete casing were built underground in the block bordered by 10th and 11th Avenues and 30th and 33rd Streets. Construction of the first 800-foot section (between 10th and 11th Avenues) began in August 2013. The second section extended the project west another 105 feet under the 11th Avenue viaduct in Manhattan. Both sections were completed in 2018.

HYCC-3 is the final segment that will enable the new Hudson River Tunnel to connect into New York Penn Station.



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NYguy Apr 4, 2025 12:42 AM
Clowns talking about the High Line again.


https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/04/...the-high-line/

Lander calls for killing Hudson Yards casino bid, saying it will hurt the High Line


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By Chris Sommerfeldt
April 3, 2025


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City Comptroller and mayoral candidate Brad Lander is calling on a major real estate firm to pull the plug on its bid to develop a casino on Manhattan’s west side, saying the plan would pose a burden on the High Line and fall short when it comes to affordable housing.

In a statement shared exclusively with the Daily News, Lander said the Related-Wynn plan would disrupt the High Line, the iconic 1.5-mile elevated greenway spanning through the old train yards. Lander said he’s even more concerned the latest version of the Related-Wynn plan drops the number of housing units — from 5,700 to 1,500 — that they’d have to build in the surrounding area in exchange for getting to operate the casino. Just 324 of those units would be affordable under the plan.

Somebody tell that moron that the affordable units would be the same in either plan.



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In a statement, a rep for the joint Related-Wynn venture behind the casino bid suggested Lander’s complaint about a lack of housing is counterintuitive, as the units that got dropped from the plan would have been luxury apartments priced at $4,000 per square foot. Additionally, the rep said Related and Wynn have worked with local stakeholders to address complaints about disruption to the High Line, including by rotating the design of the tower in order to ensure an unobstructed view along the promenade.

“This is an economically viable plan that builds on the success of Hudson Yards — which the comptroller has previously acknowledged — and creates more than 1,500 new homes in our city, including maintaining the entirety of the original affordable housing commitment,” the rep said. “We will continue to work with local leaders to improve the plan.”

ChiND Apr 4, 2025 12:52 AM
What a dope!

NYguy Apr 4, 2025 2:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Garynewman (Post 10403934)
which candidate is most pro development? Why do these people always want proposals striked down?
Lander in particular has always been a critic of the Hudson Yards, and he's had to eat some of his words. But he's late to the "harm the High Line" party, and is just skimming for votes.



https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...-got-it-wrong/

Lander candid on Hudson Yards: “I got it wrong”
Comptroller admits development producing more tax revenue than expected

Jun 20, 2023

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City Comptroller Brad Lander openly admitted the Bloomberg administration was right about Hudson Yards’ public financing scheme.

It’s not just working, but working better than anticipated — even after the development was slammed by Covid.

“One really interesting thing we looked at this month, in the Class A, in the trophy parts of the market, things are actually really rebounding well,” he said on NY1. “Hudson Yards is giving about $200 million more a year than we expected, and that’s going to grow to $300 million.”

https://nypost.com/2023/06/19/fierce...-got-it-wrong/

Fierce Hudson Yards critic admits financial boon to city: ‘I got it wrong’

By Steve Cuozzo
June 19, 2023

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The staunchest elected critic of Related Companies’ Hudson Yards finally admitted that the complex makes money for the city.

Comptroller Brad Lander long griped that the city was getting stiffed by the deal that let Related make payments-in-lieu of taxes, which he said wouldn’t cover the debt and shortchange the city.

In a jaw-dropping admission on Errol Louis’s NY1 show last week, Lander said: “Hudson Yards is giving about $200 million more a year than we expected, and that’s going to grow to $300 million.”

Sky88 Apr 4, 2025 2:31 PM
Brad Lander has little chance of becoming the next mayor, so what he says matters little...

NYguy Apr 6, 2025 4:36 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/04/...-yards-casino/

Transit wins with a Hudson Yards casino


By MITCHELL MOSS
April 6, 2025


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Everyone benefits from mass transit — even those who never use it, since the essential workers who staff our hospitals and keep groceries on supermarket shelves, rely on the subway everyday along with more than 250,000 students who take the train to public, independent and religious schools.

Today, we have an opportunity to generate more than $2.7 billion to support the MTA simply by building a casino on the western portion of Hudson Yards on Manhattan’s Far West Side. This is possible since a casino on that site, along with an office tower, would generate enough cash to pay for a massive deck above the railroad yards and also generate more than $600 million in revenues over 30 years to the MTA.
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In a normal world, the intelligent elected officials who represent this area would recognize that all New Yorkers will benefit from a casino at Hudson Yards, even if it might interrupt the sightlines from the neighboring High Line and Hudson River Park.

The local Community Board has organized against the plan, preferring to wait for the State of New York to spend $2 billion for a deck on the rail yards, even if this is a fantasy that the rest of the state will never indulge. Of course, the residents of this Community Board are not typical New Yorkers. They are more affluent, with almost 30% having annual household incomes above $200,000, compared with 15.6% of all New York households.
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….. luxury housing, by itself, will not cover the costs of a massive deck above the yards. It is worth noting that within the community board area, Hudson Yard’s developer — the Related Companies — has more than 7,000 new housing units planned, of which 3,255 will be affordable.

To be clear, this isn’t an argument for casinos in New York City. I’m not involved in this process in any way other than caring about my city. State lawmakers settled the casino question several years ago when they approved three licenses for the region. So, the debate must be around the best place to locate them, that have the highest chance of generating significant dollars and jobs and proving the least intrusive on neighborhoods.
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All New Yorkers will win with a new casino at Hudson Yards. The $2.7 billion generated by the construction and operations of a new casino could cover the cost of making 23 subway stations fully accessible, purchasing 495 new subway cars, or more than half of the $5.4 billion needed to modernize subway signals in the 2025-2029 MTA Capital Plan.

The West Side of Manhattan has a long history of progressive leadership. The opposition to the casino is a sad departure for a community that gave us the High Line and Hudson River Park, which have brought new life and energy to the Hudson River waterfront. A casino at Hudson Yards will help all New Yorkers at a time when the future of our subways and buses is at stake.

Without this project, the western yards will remain an open scar on the West Side of Manhattan rather than an economic engine. Along with the proposed casino and its 5,000 permanent union jobs, there will be a new 5.6-acre park open to the public and a new public school to serve the projected growth in the surrounding communities.

New Yorkers are facing tough times in the years ahead without many allies in Washington — it’s shortsighted to say no to projects like this one.

More than half a century ago, New Yorkers approved a lottery to support public education. Today we need a casino at Hudson Yards to pay for the cost of modernizing our transit system.

NYguy Apr 9, 2025 11:59 AM
https://w42st.com/post/everything-we...-hudson-yards/

“Everything We Agreed to is Gone”: West Side Residents Protest Casino Plan at Hudson Yards


https://i0.wp.com/w42st.com/wp-conte...50%2C798&ssl=1


by Dashiell Allen
4/8/2025


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“We are demanding that our electeds stand with us in this fight, as they did 10 years ago in our victory,” said Ambur Nicosia, president of the Penn South Board — a cooperative housing development in Chelsea — on Tuesday morning.

She and other community leaders from Hell’s Kitchen and Chelsea braved the cold, blustery weather at a press conference, to stand strong against Related Companies and Wynn Resort’s push for a proposal that overhauls a 2009 plan for the undeveloped western portion of Hudson Yards (bw W31/33rd St and 11/12th Ave) that prioritized housing, in favor of a primarily commercial development, with the potential for a gaming facility.
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The developer has since submitted plans that include 4,000 fewer housing units (but the same amount of affordable housing), a hotel, and a casino built on top of a podium — which requires approval through a separate state-led process.

“This was a long, hard fought battle that the community thought they had already won. So the fact that we’re standing here today is with great sadness,” Nicosia said.

Joe Restuccia, a longtime member of MCB4, was involved in negotiating the 2009 plan. “Here we are looking at the idea that everything we agreed to (in writing)… is gone,” he said on Tuesday, “and that’s why our Council Members have got to vote this down. Related Companies should have to withdraw the proposal. Let’s start again and do something that has a real housing plan.”
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In defense of the proposal, Related’s Chief Operating Officer of Hudson Yards Andrew Rosen told the City Planning Commission in February, “We’re at a rare moment in time with a realistic, achievable opportunity to finish the Yards, deliver thousands of construction and permanent union jobs, green space, affordable housing and economic development in the city.

“Twenty percent of the High Line surrounds the western rail yard area, and the magic that is standing 30 feet above in the air, looking over and seeing the sweeping views of the city will be erased forever,” Van Capelle said on Tuesday.

The City Planning Commission is expected to vote on Related and Wynn’s proposal tomorrow (Wednesday), after which it would be voted on by the City Council in the coming weeks for final approval. The City Council typically defers to local members, in this case, Councilmember Erik Bottcher, who represents the West Side.
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At a working session on Monday, the Department of City Planning urged the Commission to support the proposal, with slight modifications including dividing a large podium in the northern portion of its site plan into two parts with a corridor between them, and slightly lowering the podium’s height.

Restuccia said it’s likely the Commission will approve the proposal. “I think the real power lies with the City Council, and that’s who has to vote on this,” he said. “It used to be in the planning commission. Now it’s a rubber stamp commission.”


These morons. Everything of benefit to them is still there - the school, community space, open space, the affordable housing, all still there.

ChiND Apr 9, 2025 12:07 PM
These people are delusional. This area was a desolate, disgusting dump before the HY was built. Phase II will make it even better.


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