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KevinFromTexas Aug 26, 2013 1:47 AM

I wouldn't really count on East 6th Street between Congress and I-35 being redeveloped. A lot of the oldest buildings in downtown are on East 6th Street. Besides, it's one of Austin's entertainment districts. Developers are probably reluctant to build there because of noise concerns with the bars and nightclubs.

From this article:

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Although East Sixth Street remained a bustling thoroughfare from its inception in the 19th century until the early 1960s, it was its quick decline in the ’60s and ’70s, due to businesses leaving for suburban Austin, that helped solidify the district as the historic entertainment destination it is today. According to the DAA, because the decline happened so quickly, very few of the buildings were renovated to be brought into current architectural styles.

Because East Sixth Street is a national historic district, 65 percent of the buildings that were on the street before 1900 are still in place today.
West 6th Street, however, is slated for more highrise development. The US post office on West 6th is planned for redevelopment that could eventually support a 40-story tower with 800,000 square feet of space. There's also a 13-story office building across the street from that lot now under construction. Many of the lots in that area are affected by capitol view corridors. They limit buildings to a certain height based on how tall they would need to be (or not to be) to block the view of the state capitol dome.

As for development east of I-35, it's a mix of wood framed apartments going up, but mostly they're concrete.

MightyYoda Aug 26, 2013 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_denizen (Post 6244194)
When do you guys think the east-central parts of downtown Austin, say the land on both sides of sixth and east of congress, will be built out with most currently underused land developed? Are there any midrises planned for this area, woodframe stuff or is it mostly being reserved for highrise buildings?

I just think a seemless grid in this area, no major parking lots left, is going to be key to "completing" the cityscape, so to speak.

I think you will see a lot more development on smaller lots due to the parking restriction being removed. Small sites don't have to worry about providing on-site parking if it doesn't make financial sense. On congress though, I think the harsh overlay restrictions are going to continue to kill projects until they are loosened up a little. You have a bunch of historic buildings that either you can't develop, or would have to use the facade so smallish lots plus harsh overlay means it just isn't worth it. Biggest tragedy IMO of this boom has been 416 and 814? Congress. Both designs were amazing and really brought the facades into play of the original historic buildings. Maybe with the removal of on-site parking, there is a slight chance one of these projects could be revived.

AusTex Aug 26, 2013 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 6244385)
I wouldn't really count on East 6th Street between Congress and I-35 being redeveloped. A lot of the oldest buildings in downtown are on East 6th Street. Besides, it's one of Austin's entertainment districts. Developers are probably reluctant to build there because of noise concerns with the bars and nightclubs.

I have been wondering if the Westin Hotel and the 5th & Brazos development are being, (or are required to be) built with extra sound insulation. I have seen in other place where existing entertainment districts have been hurt with new "night time occupied" development. Just a few complaints are enough for the city to over-react to the previously allowed night time serenade. The clubs have been here for decades now. New development should not be allowed to have owners/guests/residents voices over speak the existing night time establishments.

MightyYoda Aug 26, 2013 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kotliz (Post 6244179)
Here's an updated poster. I've not included the Catherine or Green Water 1, Riverview or the various West Campus buildings. There are a few other smaller builds that I've not included on this round either, but still I think this makes for a fairly amazing collection. Feel free to pass on missing stat's like the floor count and height of the Westin and Seaholm towers if they exist.

http://venish.com/austin-skyscraper-...line-Aug13.jpg


If this is supposed to be proposals and under construction for this year, I would take off 5th and Brazos and add ZaZa,the Catherine, and Greenwater. Catherine is around 200 feet tall so it isn't small potatoes and will make an impact on the skyline from certain angles. Zaza and Greennwater are still expected to start in 2013 last I saw them mentioned. 5th and Brazos was listed as mid-late 2014 start date.

dc_denizen Aug 26, 2013 11:51 PM

Interesting responses, thanks all.

NYC_Longhorn Aug 27, 2013 1:43 AM

Hey, we need to add this bohemoth to the poster.... :-)
http://www.statesman.com/news/busine...congres/nZc36/

jtown,man Aug 27, 2013 2:52 AM

Super excited for the Colorado Tower. Most cities need some residential to mix with their offices, we need some offices(maybe not market wise...but for a good mix). Plus, its a damn good looking tower! Of course, could you imagine it at ....1,000 ft :D :D :D

JoninATX Aug 27, 2013 4:30 AM

Still disappointed about the 5th & Congress project. A 5 story renovation project doesn't make up for a possible 50 story tower.

wwmiv Aug 27, 2013 5:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NYC_Longhorn (Post 6245489)
Hey, we need to add this bohemoth to the poster.... :-)
http://www.statesman.com/news/busine...congres/nZc36/

You're kidding, right? 5 stories is not a behemoth.

The ATX Aug 27, 2013 7:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 6245625)
You're kidding, right? 5 stories is not a behemoth.

Yes, he is obviously kidding.

KevinFromTexas Aug 27, 2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NYC_Longhorn (Post 6245489)
Hey, we need to add this bohemoth to the poster.... :-)
http://www.statesman.com/news/busine...congres/nZc36/

Can someone please grab the renderings from behind the pay wall? If you email them to me I'll host them and post them. - [email protected]

lzppjb Aug 27, 2013 11:35 AM

Here's the entire article on another site (no photos): https://www.planning.org/news/daily/...y_id=189319715

LoneStarMike Aug 27, 2013 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 6245713)
Can someone please grab the renderings from behind the pay wall?

I'm not a subscriber, but I just did a google image search for "501 Congress" and "Rendering" and found these two. (I remember seeing the first one earlier.)

http://www.sixthriver.com/wp-content...y2-300x187.jpg


http://www.sixthriver.com/news-and-r...ress-property/


http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/l...dering---3.jpg

http://www.mystatesman.com/photo/bus...congres/pxhPN/

lzppjb Aug 27, 2013 1:46 PM

It looks nice and all, but would look better with a 40-story tower plopped down on top of it. :D

Kotliz Aug 27, 2013 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyYoda (Post 6244923)
If this is supposed to be proposals and under construction for this year, I would take off 5th and Brazos and add ZaZa,the Catherine, and Greenwater. Catherine is around 200 feet tall so it isn't small potatoes and will make an impact on the skyline from certain angles. Zaza and Greennwater are still expected to start in 2013 last I saw them mentioned. 5th and Brazos was listed as mid-late 2014 start date.

Good suggestion. I'll see if I can get those in there. The thing is getting a bit over-sized. Also, can anyone find a more finished-looking rendering of the ZaZa than the water colors?(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/i.../272-zaza3.jpg)

AusTxDevelopment Aug 27, 2013 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 6245713)
Can someone please grab the renderings from behind the pay wall? If you email them to me I'll host them and post them. - [email protected]

Below are the renderings included in the Statesman article. I hate the paywall ( :hell: ) but I am a subscriber so feel free to ping me if you ever need something. [email protected]

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/...psac0cddc3.png

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/...psa48523bd.png

corvairkeith Aug 27, 2013 3:06 PM

That would be a very cool modern looking design if this were 1958.

hookem Aug 27, 2013 3:10 PM

Credit the Statesman for putting quotes around the word "boutique" regarding the 5th and Congress project. It's just the developer putting lipstick on a pig. The project is not of the caliber a location like that deserves.

LoneStarMike Aug 27, 2013 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kotliz (Post 6245837)
Good suggestion. Also, can anyone find a more finished-looking rendering of the ZaZa than the water colors?(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/i.../272-zaza3.jpg)

Better renderings are in this post in the Hotel ZaZa thread.

LoneStarMike Aug 27, 2013 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by corvairkeith (Post 6245859)
That would be a very cool modern looking design if this were 1958.

I think that's on purpose (and the original building was built in 1964.)

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"This building lives in most Austinites' memory as a spacious mid-century inspired bank lobby," said Michael Hsu, principal of Michael Hsu Office of Architecture. "We used that history, and hopefully some of the original parts, as an inspiration for its next chapter. The updated building is designed to the user who wants an authentic downtown experience and a creative and boutique design spirit as opposed to a more standard office building finish out."
To me, it's no different than what they did with the Starr Building


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