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ChiND

Nov 6, 2024 7:04 PM

It will be a horrendous crime if the Related-Wynn proposal is not selected.

mrnyc

Nov 7, 2024 1:39 PM

i dk about that lol, but if not the western yards would continue to languish unbuilt for sure.

Mulan

Dec 1, 2024 9:42 PM

https://nypost.com/2024/11/25/us-new...-their-chance/

mrnyc

Dec 2, 2024 12:49 PM

^ the gov did right. the process has been long set, let it play out. if property owners can’t figure out all their land use obstacles in two years then it wasn’t a good enough site in the first place.

MAC123

Dec 4, 2024 8:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 10327501)

The gov made it way too long in the first place. It never should have taken this long.

NYguy

Dec 4, 2024 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MAC123 (Post 10328813)

The gov made it way too long in the first place. It never should have taken this long.

No, it should never have taken this long. Hochul is the only one who wanted this thing to drag out. The redundant levels of approval only serve to drag out the clock. Yet, the calendar year is about to change, and it can only be delayed so much. The City approvals are an unneccesary waste of time, as the state’s process will begin afterwards.

But you can’t scream that the state is in such desparate need of funds that congestion pricing needs to start inmediately, while pushing these cash cows down the line, and similarly sitting on a state issued rfp for one Javits site, and outright ignoring a larger one. That’s just stupid.

mrnyc

Dec 5, 2024 2:54 PM

regardless of it being too long in the first place, they do have a process and should stick to it.

that they didn't stick to the congestion pricing process is another thing and reflects poorly on the gov as well, but in this case she is right.

also, unlike congestion pricing for which mta is in dire need of the funds, there is no rush for this casino awarding.

let them all be thoughtful about it, from the state to the bidders (meaning at best intentions of course).

NYguy

Dec 6, 2024 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 10329475)

regardless of it being too long in the first place, they do have a process and should stick to it.

And therein is the ENTIRE problem - they had a schedule, and DIDN'T stick to it. I guess you'd have to pay more attention to know that. But this should have been wrapping up already, instead we have AT LEAST another year of nonsense to go. Everyone knows it. Both houses of government in the state tried to fix it. But Hochul's strong point is her indecision.

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that they didn't stick to the congestion pricing process is another thing and reflects poorly on the gov as well, but in this case she is right.

She's wrong on both fronts. Sure, congestion pricing could generate funds, but you already have a process for licensing these casinos that could have been generating funds already, WITHOUT sticking it to people already paying higher prices for everything.

The sad part is that everyone can see this but the governor.

https://nypost.com/2024/06/11/us-new...mayhem-reigns/

NY pols push casino plan to aid MTA as congestion toll mayhem reigns

By Carl Campanile and Vaughn Golden
June 11, 2024

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Speeding up the selection process for the metro area’s three casino licenses could generate billions of dollars in much-needed revenue for the MTA after Gov. Kathy Hochul stalled the congestion toll, state pols say.

“We have to bring the casino deals to fruition — the MTA needs the money,” said state Assembly Racing and Wagering Committee Co-Chairman Gary Pretlow (D-Mount Vernon), who recently co-sponsored a bill to set up a faster timetable for the awarding of the licenses.

“The governor could open the bidding process right now, and that could help the MTA,” Pretlow told The Post.

Hochul created chaos last week when she suddenly put the kibosh on starting Midtown Manhattan’s new minimum $15 vehicle congestion toll June 30.

She claimed it was coming at a bad time for economically strapped drivers, while the transit agency and its supporters blasted her for pulling the rug out from under them out of nowhere — and throwing crucial mass transit projects dependent on the expected $1 billion a year in tolls into upheaval.

State pols say Hochul can clean up the mess by quickly signing the bill just passed by both the Senate and Assembly to speed up the awarding of the casino licenses.

.....“The legislation brings clarity to the process,” a casino industry source added of the bill. “The state gaming commission has been kicking the can down the road.”

NYguy

Dec 13, 2024 2:31 AM

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/pol...nies-high-line

High Line faces off against developer over casino plan

By Courtney Gross
Dec. 12, 2024

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When you think of the west side of Manhattan, two landmarks might come to mind: the High Line and Hudson Yards developed by Related Companies.

Now, those two titans of development are at odds over a plan by Related and Wynn Resorts to build a massive resort and casino, with office space and housing, on the site of the western rail yards — the second half of the Hudson Yards development.

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“We met with the High Line 10 times over the course of a couple years on this project and then we haven’t really spoken to them since last May,” Andrew Rosen, chief operating officer of Hudson Yards, said.

The High Line countered: “When you meet with someone 10 times and they make minor adjustments and tweaks, I think what it shows is we haven’t been reluctant to meet, they’re not good listeners, and they have to be better listeners,” Alan van Capelle of Friends of the High Line said.

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Both are trying to sway the community aggressively to their side.

Van Capelle brought a stack of petitions to the local community board Wednesday night, urging the board to reject the proposal.

The CEO of Related Companies attended, attempting to persuade the community to their side.

“This is an opportunity to make a big change for New York City, a lifetime change,” Jeff Blau, the CEO of Related, said. “And I am asking you, let’s not make this Amazon two.”

Related was delivered a loss this week — a committee at the local community board voted to reject the proposal, arguing the neighborhood wanted more housing, not a casino.

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The Council is expected to consider the application this spring. From there, if approved, it will head to a state licensing board who will select up to three projects to get a casino license.

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NYguy

Dec 13, 2024 4:13 PM

The fact that these morons aren't arguing for more affordable housing (the standard, and somewhat understandable argument against anything in the city), and are instead arguing for more of the luxury housing tells you everything you need to know about this particular community board, as well as the High Line activists that support it.

https://w42st.com/post/community-boa...to-commercial/

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Manhattan Community Board 4’s (MCB4) Clinton Hell’s Kitchen Land Use Committee voted unanimously to reject zoning changes that would allow for a largely commercial development — including a proposed resort and casino — on Manhattan’s West Side, telling the developer the neighborhood’s priority is creating more housing.

.....The air was tense inside a standing-room only Hartley House on Thursday evening for the Uniform Land Use Review Procedure (ULURP) meeting for Hudson Yard’s Western Railyards development. ULURP is a public review process in New York City that governs how applications for zoning changes and other land use actions are handled.

Supporters of Related’s new plan — including labor union members and tenants of its own buildings — sat shoulder-to-shoulder with community leaders from Hell’s Kitchen and Chelsea along with advocates for The High Line, who opposed the plan. Half the room would break into applause as a representative from either side spoke. The only point they could agree on was the coldness of the room, which unfortunately had a broken heater.

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MCB4 has expressed skepticism at Related’s plan since the spring, and the developer’s glossy rendering of a casino. Friends of the High Line executive director Alan van Capelle headed a campaign in opposition over the summer, stating it would obstruct iconic views of the skyline. At Thursday’s meeting he hand-delivered thousands of petition signatures from local residents and visitors to the High Line against Related’s proposal.

“Unfortunately, Related Companies have made a terrible misjudgment,” he said. “They have mistaken our community’s passion for inclusiveness and understanding, and seem determined to steamroll through a plan that ignores our voices, our values and our needs.” In the 15 years since it opened, van Capelle said the park had “not opposed a single building developed along the side of the High Line”

“We are strongly in favor of development on the Western Rail Yards,” he emphasized.

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Naya Cameron, a 16-year-old resident of Chelsea’s Fulton Houses, agreed with van Capelle. “A casino will be built regardless somewhere in New York City and that will create casino jobs wherever it is,” she said. “Why don’t we make sure that this development meets community needs [like] having a beautiful park and more residential housing?”

Veronica Thaxton, a resident of a Related-owned building in Hudson Yards since 2014, had a different opinion. “I believe that this plan is not only ambitious, but essential,” she said. “Based on my own research, I see this proposal delivering significant benefits, boosting New York City’s economic development, creating thousands of jobs.”

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Related CEO Jeff Blau defended his company’s proposal at the meeting. “The 2009 plan will not get built. The economics of that plan do not support development,” he said, adding that it “included 5,700 luxury for-sale $10 million-plus apartments.”

Speaking about the company’s history of building Hudson Yards, he remarked, “we built the city that we should all be very proud of. … We have created the best, safest, nicest community in New York City that I and many, many people are very proud of.” If Related completes its plan it would also contribute $2.7 billion to the MTA, which owns the land it wants to build on, Blau said.

“This is an opportunity to make a big change for New York City, a lifetime change. I’m asking you, let’s not make this Amazon Two,” he implored the committee members, referring to Amazon’s never-built second headquarters in Long Island City.

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“We need to be asking what is the current need, now and in the future, for not only our neighborhood but the city,” MCB4 member Delores Rubin said. “And I think everyone that is here on either side — they all think it’s housing. And if that is a point of agreement, that is a starting point to think of the opportunity.”

“Let’s come up with some strategies,” said committee co-chair Paul Devlin. “We can work towards a solution of financing if we put our heads together.”

“Given that the City of Yes for Housing Opportunity just went through [City Council] the demand for housing is there politically,” Devlin said. “Let’s tap into the current political will to promote housing, to get housing on this parcel.”

Restuccia contended there might be creative ways to finance the platform through state or federal funding instead of relying on the hope of a casino license to move the development of the rail yards forward.

NYguy

Dec 28, 2024 1:41 AM

The City/State need to get their act together, and proceed to see the railyard development completed. There's no excuse for this not to move forward now rather than wait years for things to maybe be developed. We see how that drug out with the WTC.

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DCReid

Dec 29, 2024 6:48 PM

Seems that they are waiting for a decision on the casino proposal. I wonder how they will proceed if they do not get the casino as they now say that the housing proponent of the previous proposal is no longer feasible.

NYguy

Dec 30, 2024 1:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DCReid (Post 10340184)

All of the city proposals that need to are currently running through the 7 month approvals process, which is really only beginning. (This follows the city's own approval of zoning to allow casinos at all). This is basically round two, and surviving this round (approval) only means you get to apply for the final round, the real approval which will be at state level, and be brought again before the various community boards. It's ridiculous to have this many rounds (the earlier casinos didn't need to since these will be state developments), but it's the way the governor wanted it. It's a real waste of everyone's time, on both sides.

But anyway, Related has an alternative plan that is supposedly basically for the ULURP (approvals) process. The real alternative is to simply try to phase in the buildings over time, which may or may not happen.

NYguy

Dec 30, 2024 1:42 AM

Then you have nuts like this...

https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/12/...the-high-line/

Opinion:
Not in my backyard. It will dwarf the High Line

By James Ferrari
December 29, 2024

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The views from my living room of my first apartment in New York City were of an abandoned elevated railway line covered in garbage and bramble. I worked for a nonprofit and was staying in what was then the General Theological Seminary founded by Clement Clarke Moore and is now The High Line Hotel, a 60-room luxury hotel with a Parisian themed garden on 10th Ave.

My old building has come a long way since the desolate stretch of rail and weeds was transformed into the High Line park, an innovative public space and 1.5 mile greenway with native plants and mesmerizing views that was developed with public input at every step, including an ideas competition to imagine ways the park could be used.

It has become a destination for New Yorkers and visitors alike to enjoy the scenery, art, and food, and has completely transformed the neighborhood. It is now vital to the community that helped determine what it became.
But that may not last. The developer Related Companies and the Wynn Resorts, which was founded by casino magnate Steve Wynn, are determined to build either a casino or a gargantuan convention center in the Western Rail Yards that will materially change and potentially undo the thriving ecosystem that New York has built around a vibrant public space.

Skip to the good part...

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The New York skyline will always change but its shape should be determined by the residents of the city itself, not developers with dreams of supertall buildings and tourist revenues.

ssh	Dec 30, 2024 4:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10340265)

Not in my backyard. It will dwarf the High Line

The High Line is easily one of the most overrated parts of the city. Calling it a "park" is laughable, and the way these people talk would make one think that Related plans on tearing it down completely with their proposal.

The hypocrisy of talking about the old rail tracks being ugly and decrepit, and then quite literally saying "not in my backyard" to a proposal that aims to replace an ugly and decrepit rail yard with a gorgeous public space is insanity.

Not in your backyard? Then move out of the most important city in the planet.

DCReid

Dec 30, 2024 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ssh (Post 10340292)

Too late Mr. Ferrari - HY has already dwarfed the High Line and it's no longer feels like a park but as chaotic main street. In fact, the main streets by the High Line may a respite to the often-crowded HighLine.

NYguy

Dec 30, 2024 9:53 PM

The High Kine Line was never meant to feel like an actual “park”. Though it’s called a park, it’s main purpose was a repositioning of an existing structure. Tge difference and attraction of this particular park is the way it weaves around and through buildings, creating an urban experience unlike all tge other parks, which are open spaces. The people who claim the skyscrapers (which will come either way) will overwhelm the HL either have never been there, or are outright lying in their dishonesty, and need to be called out on it.

NYguy

Dec 30, 2024 10:02 PM

It’s especially stupid when you consider the first phase.

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ssh	Jan 4, 2025 9:28 AM

https://gothamist.com/news/coney-isl...-license-in-25

Coney Island? Citi Field? Hudson Yards? Who wins a casino license in ‘25?

By Arun Venogopal
January 1, 2025

NYguy

Jan 7, 2025 5:26 PM

https://www.covers.com/industry/econ...ses-jan-6-2025

Economic Development Will Impact New York Casino Licenses
The New York State Gaming Commission's executive director reaffirmed the financial benefits of casino projects will influence who gets an approval.

Ziv Chen
Jan 6, 2025

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Williams highlighted key areas that the Commission will consider, including the size of capital investment, revenue for New York, and the quality of jobs the project provides. The Commission will also consider the architecture, design, and “the relationships that they have with local communities, with unions, how the different projects integrate into something as simple as traffic and sewer and water, and fire and police protection.”

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New York lawmakers tried to speed up the casino licensing process last year, with State Senator Joseph Addabbo and Assemblyman Gary Pretlow putting forward S9673A to speed things up. However, the bill waited on Governor Kathy Hochul’s desk until the end of the legislative session, ending any chance of streamlining the process.

While licensing has been slow, with a proposal deadline in June, lawmakers should finally make progress on New York City casinos.

ChiND

Jan 7, 2025 5:38 PM

No proposal remotely compares to Related’s. Also, its office tower likely will fill up quickly.

NYguy

Jan 8, 2025 4:53 AM

Meanwhile, as expected, the looneys at CB4 voted against the casino proposal...

https://nypost.com/2025/01/07/us-new...mmunity-board/

$12B casino complex in NY’s Hudson Yards rejected by community board: ‘Reeks of greed and disregard’

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By Carl Campanile
Jan. 7, 2025

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Community Board 4 — which represents the Hudson Yards neighborhood — voted unanimously Monday night against approving a zoning change to allow the project by Related Companies and Wynn to proceed.

Under the city’s Uniformed Land Use Procedure, the local board has a right to weigh in on the zoning change, though the vote is advisory.

.....Joshua David, co-founder of The High Line and former member of CB4, testified that the project “reeks of greed and disregard for the community.”

“A carefully planned mixed-use neighborhood is wiped out for a garish Las Vegas-style monstrosity that has no place on Manhattan’s West Side,” said David, who has lived in Chelsea for 38 years.

“If we wanted to live in Las Vegas,” he said, “we would live in Las Vegas.”

The plan features an 80-story tower overlooking the Hudson River that would house a gaming facility and hotel.

Office buildings, apartment towers and a spacious 5.6-acre park would surround the gleaming casino skyscraper.

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In its letter to City Planning Director Dan Garodnick, CB4 said the project slashes about 4,000 planned residential units and the environmental impact statement showed “catastrophic traffic and air quality impacts on our neighborhoods…. This proposal simply isn’t a fit for this site.”

Friends of The High Line executive director Alan van Capelle applauded the board’s rejection of the casino complex that “would do permanent damage to the High Line experience.”

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Related Companies defended the project and accused CB4 of being anti-development.

“The community board has a long track record of opposing projects that would bring opportunity to the West Side,” Related Companies said in a statement.

“While many of their ideas are not fiscally feasible to implement, we welcome feedback and elements that can make this project and neighborhood better. We are focused on moving forward with local elected officials, who have been committed to pursuing realistic plans that deliver the jobs, housing and community improvements New York needs today,” the company said.

ChiND

Jan 8, 2025 1:19 PM

These unemployed morons always use the word “monstrosity.”

NYCityBoy

Jan 8, 2025 1:29 PM

Casinos are coming to New York City whether we like them or not. I'd personally rather not have them but it's not up to me. I won't be gambling, but if there are entertainment and dining destinations I imagine I'll be using those at some point.

The BARREN west side of the Hudson Yards seems like as good a location as any for a casino. I also vote for Times Square for the second license. I doubt most New Yorkers will use the casino, but tourists definitely will.

NYguy

Jan 8, 2025 2:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCityBoy (Post 10344703)

I doubt most New Yorkers will use the casino, but tourists definitely will.

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“A carefully planned mixed-use neighborhood is wiped out for a garish Las Vegas-style monstrosity that has no place on Manhattan’s West Side,” said David, who has lived in Chelsea for 38 years.

“If we wanted to live in Las Vegas,” he said, “we would live in Las Vegas.”

You could put all 3 casinos in Manhattan, and barely notice it. New York is not some small town, and a casino isn't going to make any neighborhood in Manhattan Las Vegas. This idiot would no doubt be among those to enter the casino for one reason or another. The state needs the revenue, and no one will be forced to enter the casinos, unlike congestion pricing where you have to pay. These casinos will bring in more money to the city and state than the congestion pricing.

ChiND

Jan 8, 2025 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10344745)

Not only will New Yorkers, who travel to Las Vegas and Atlantic City to use them use them, New Yorkers also voted for them. It's why the casino in Queens is one of the top grossing casinos in the country, and it's not even a full casino. The problem, as is usually the case, is the NIMBYs are the loudest and most vocal about anything.

You could put all 3 casinos in Manhattan, and barely notice it. New York is not some small town, and a casino isn't going to make any neighborhood in Manhattan Las Vegas. This idiot would no doubt be among those to enter the casino for one reason or another. The state needs the revenue, and no one will be forced to enter the casinos, unlike congestion pricing where you have to pay. These casinos will bring in more money to the city and state than the congestion pricing.

That's true. During the U.N. General Assembly each year, when one exits GCT and turns to the west on The Deuce, one would barely know that the UNGA is going on, but for occasional motorcades and helicopter activity. Only in NY!

ChiND

Jan 8, 2025 4:27 PM

NY Guy:

If Related/Wynn get the license, when do you think that the casino and residential tower might start rising? Will any of it be built on terra firma, or must the platform be built first?

DCReid

Jan 8, 2025 5:15 PM

Will this rejection have any bearing on the decision? The general consensus seems that it was expected, but does this pose a risk even if the casino is awarded to HY? For example, will the residents and land use committee file lawsuits to stop it? And if HY does not get the casino, will Related proceed with the original plan even after saying that the residential component was not as successful in Phase 1 and should be scaled down for phase 2?

NYguy

Jan 8, 2025 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10344845)

NY Guy:

If Related/Wynn get the license, when do you think that the casino and residential tower might start rising? Will any of it be built on terra firma, or must the platform be built first?

Only the casino would be built on the platform.

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It’s always advisory with the CB. Technically, they voted against the change in site plan, not the casino. That would came in the next round. But it’s always dangerous, and also why the state usually doesn’t subject its developments to city approval. All of the new casinos in this process should have been approved just as the upstate casinoscwere. But Hochul, being from upstate, still doesn’t have a solid understanding of how NYC politics work.

ChiND

Jan 8, 2025 6:32 PM

Thanks, so the whole Wynn Hotel condo with the big casino base will all be built on the platform? It looks like the hotel tower portion might be on terra firma.

Also, do you know if any portion of the casino will be in the hotel tower?

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Gantz

Jan 8, 2025 7:55 PM

They need to put one in Coney Island. It is a good location for one.
Then turn the one in Queens into a full casino, and build one in Manhattan for the tourists.

NYguy

Jan 9, 2025 1:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10344966)

The casino complex is one building. The office tower and the residential building will be built on the site south of the railyards, not on the platform. The same as the Coach tower and 15 Hudson.

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Originally Posted by Gantz (Post 10345039)

They need to put one in Coney Island. It is a good location for one.
Then turn the one in Queens into a full casino, and build one in Manhattan for the tourists.

The Queens casino will remain open either way, but awarding the full license to that casino won't generate the same economic development and number of jobs that a completely new development will. That's what they are measuring with the existing casinos - the amount above what already exists.
It's why the board keeps stressing that the economic side of these proposals is what will heavily influence which proposals get built.

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But there is still that matter of settling the city's individual approvals process for various proposals. Of the proposals moving forward, two of them - Bally's Bronx proposal and Hard Rock's Citifield proposal - technically don't have a site yet, and may not get it. But keep in mind these are not ordinary proposals that generally run through the city's approval process. They each have HUGE implications for the state, all the more reason for Hochul not to play games with the city approval process. It's one thing to say a 50-story building should maybe be knocked down to 30. Another thing entirely to say a huge economic engine for the entire state shouldn't be built. So that's what they are dealing with. And they (the politicians) all know it. Will they do the smart thing? Sadly, that's always in doubt.

ChiND

Jan 9, 2025 1:47 AM

Thanks! If Related/Wynn win the license this year, when do you think is the earliest that the casino can start rising? I don’t recall how construction progressed with the platform and buildings in Phase 1.

NYguy

Jan 9, 2025 2:06 PM

^ Nothing will be done until next year. The casino licensing process will drag out at least until the end of this year, and possibly spill over into next year.

Meanwhile, Related is 100% right here:

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It's one thing to be allowed to voice legitimate concerns about any development, and have those concerns heard. But when you are outright lying, or simply can't be bothered to get the facts on what you are speaking on, you shouldn't have a seat at the table. It is no wonder the city is planning to rework the ULURP process to end some of these shenanigans, and the CBs have no one to blame but themselves.

ChiND

Jan 9, 2025 3:12 PM

So even if Related/Wynn get the license, could it be years before the casino begins rising? Once again, I don't recall the logistics of Phase 1. Do they have to finish the deck before they start building the casino or can they do that simultaneously?

NYguy

Jan 9, 2025 6:04 PM

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As with the first phase, everything is built at once. The casinos must be built within a given timeframe, and temporary casinos aren't allowed to open. Any pre-opening must be a part of the permanent casino floor.

ChiND

Jan 9, 2025 6:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10345701)

Thanks. So the foundations will be built around the tracks I assume.

If the license is awarded in 2025, I assume that work can start in 2026. I doubt that there will be any issues financing the hotel/casino.

NYguy

Jan 10, 2025 1:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10345710)

ChiND

Jan 10, 2025 1:34 AM

Thanks. Since they won’t have to wait for the platform to finish before starting the building, construction of the hotel/casino could realistically start in 2026.

NYguy

Jan 10, 2025 1:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10346005)

Thanks. Since they won’t have to wait for the platform to finish before starting the building, construction of the hotel/casino could realistically start in 2026.

Perhaps. But surviving this round only gets you into the competition. That's what they're all trying to do now. It's almost like a reality show. "New York's Next Top Casino". The real competition - should they make it that far - begins later this summer.

ChiND

Jan 10, 2025 2:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10346022)

Will the winners of the licenses be revealed in 2025? This “contest” is ridiculous. Related’s/Wynn’s proposal will generate the most economic impact by far.

NYguy

Jan 10, 2025 5:27 AM

This is if everything goes according to plan, which to date, nothing has…

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https://gothamist.com/news/coney-isl...-license-in-25

By Arun Venugopal
Jan 1, 2025

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All project proposals must be officially submitted by June 27, according to the Gaming Commission. Initially, each bid will go to a community advisory committee composed of members appointed by Gov. Kathy Hochul, as well as to state legislators and certain local officials. In the case of New York City-based proposals, those include Mayor Eric Adams and city councilmembers for the area.

Each community advisory committee requires a two-thirds supermajority to advance a proposal and must do so by Sept. 30. From there, the remaining proposals head to the Gaming Facility Location Board, headed by Vicki L. Been, the Judge Edward Weinfeld professor of law at NYU's School of Law.

By Dec. 1, that board will in turn recommend up to three applicants for licenses by the state’s Gaming Commission, which has until the end of the year to issue final approvals.

NYguy

Jan 10, 2025 11:30 PM

https://www.amny.com/oped/op-ed-west...o-fair-chance/

Op-ed | Let’s give the West Side Casino rezoning plan a fair chance

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By Kevin Rutter
anuary 9, 2025

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City politicians seem excited about their City of Yes’ potential to build more needed housing in the five boroughs. However, after attending several community meetings, it’s become clear that at the hyperlocal level, when it comes to big and bold new developments for my neighborhood, we are still a City of No.

I have called Chelsea my home for four years after moving from the West Village. A prominent feature of our neighborhood is the cavernous eyesore at the Western Rail Yards. Various plans to develop it over the years have been struck down due to differing interests, opposing forces, and exorbitant costs.

Now, a new proposal, Hudson Yards West, offers an opportunity to transform the underutilized space into something extraordinary for the community and all of New York. A resort and casino would anchor Hudson Yards West and would also deliver affordable housing, a huge public park, and thousands of full-time jobs.

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I recently attended three community meetings to hear developer Related Companies’ plans. Like some of my neighbors, I was initially doubtful about a casino. However, I learned that the Wynn gaming facility would make up less than five percent of the site. More importantly, the resort would provide $2 billion in funds to build the necessary platform over the unsightly rail yard, on top of which would sit a massive public park, a public school, and more than a thousand units of housing, including affordable housing.

The second-order economic effects of this development would ripple across our local community. We cannot let this opportunity slip away as previously planned developments have.

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In 2009, Hudson Yards was finally approved. It was a two-phase plan to create a retail, office, and luxury housing mecca. Once the first phase was done, the pandemic hit, and the original plan for phase two over the Western Rail Yards became unviable as public demand for ultra-luxury condos vanished. The eyesore—a massive hole in the ground revealing lines of train tracks—has remained.

While it’s not a perfect plan, it deserves a fair hearing. However, it has not received that from some community members. The Friends of the High Line, for one, has been campaigning against the plan with frivolous concerns about views and shadows. They have disregarded those Chelsea residents who are open to the plan.

For progress to occur in our neighborhood, we must refocus on what is important to Chelsea’s residents, such as having community spaces and new jobs. That’s why dozens of West Siders showed up at the Manhattan Community Board 4 Meeting on Monday to express their full support of Hudson Yards West.

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Despite supporters showing up in large numbers of community board meetings over the past few months to ask them to vote in favor, the board inexplicably wants to issue a blanket denial of the project. Fortunately, their vote isn’t binding, and there is another way forward – working together to make this project a reality.

Related has already updated their plans to reflect community feedback. Together, we can ask for additional changes that are realistic for the development and better for those of us who live nearby. If we can do that, in less than five years the community would have a brand-new park, keys to new apartments, thousands of new jobs, and dozens of new restaurants, coffee shops and stores in the surrounding area. It’s time for our elected officials to step up and move the plan ahead.

If not, we will just have a hole in the ground and some bragging rights that we blocked yet another development that wasn’t quite perfect.

NYguy

Jan 14, 2025 2:32 AM

chris08876

Jan 14, 2025 3:04 AM

About a similar timetable to Phase I. I just wish they would stop stalling and get shovels in the ground for the platform in 2025.

This is foreshadowing the coming boom. When Phase II kicks into high gear, the coming boom will also.

What's exciting is also a lot of the proxy developments that will spring up, just like with Phase I (Bound to happen). Three Hudson need to rise.

I still think this is not fully utilizing the land to the full potential. There should be at least two more components to the existing massing and more housing, because it would sell.

ssh	Jan 14, 2025 6:02 AM

Timeline seems relatively quick.

eXodius

Jan 14, 2025 10:21 PM

As much as I know most plans get changed heavily between planning and construction, I really hope this gets built as-is! Just the Wynn alone adds much to the Hudson Yards site visually! With the other 2, it finally completes the area (along with the "future development" in the pics above! Already looking forward to 2026! :notacrook:

ChiND

Jan 14, 2025 10:34 PM

I hope that this is accurate. Can you imagine this, 175 Park, 350 Park, 625 Madison (and who knows what else) rising simultaneously? This is the Age of the Mycenaeans! Long live Agamemnon!!

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...grjhIsJ.c9.jpg

NYguy

Jan 15, 2025 1:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 10348636)

I still think this is not fully utilizing the land to the full potential.

It isn't. The FAR of the railyards is well below typical FAR for Midtown - thanks to the more than generous open spaces. I believe it would have fit better in the overall scheme of the city if allowed to be built out to the fullest. And these NIMBY morons have the nerve to complain the buildings are too big.

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...c1ogPQR.c4.jpg

ChiND

Jan 15, 2025 2:46 AM

The hotel/casino has a magnificent design.

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