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SkyHigher

Sep 1, 2024 3:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sky88 (Post 10274875)

Maybe something like that? :)

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:tup:

Hudson11

Sep 1, 2024 5:00 PM

now add a spire.

:roofvsspire:

NYguy

Sep 2, 2024 2:39 PM

Nothing they are proposing here is so drastically different from what exists at the High Line now.

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The state needs to get on board, and do something with the 2 sites it owns nearby, including Site K (Affirmation Tower), and this lot, the former truck marshalling yards.
It sits directly across from what would be the casino resort. The governor has said she wants affordable housing on these sites, but has done nothing to move that forward.

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NYguy

Sep 4, 2024 2:09 AM

Had more time to walk through the vast wastelands of the west side....

SEPTEMBER 2, 2024

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Government inaction allows this lot to sit, and sit. Meanwhile, the casino proposal across the street will sit some more, thanks to that same inaction.

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A casino/resort could rise above these rails...(earning the state mega bucks from both the casino, and the development that enables it). But let's not rush.

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This little corner would feature another park...

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Work continues on the tube for the Gateway tunnel crossing...

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I like posting photos like this. The next time someone complains about buildings "overwhelming" the High Line, you can tell'em to fuck off.

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Work continues on the Wells Fargo expansion...

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mrnyc

Sep 4, 2024 12:30 PM

if they win the casino bid they’ll probably have to start decking it over from north to south and leave the south end open for awhile while they work on gateway tunneling.

NYguy

Sep 4, 2024 3:54 PM

^ They’re just protecting the right of way. They did a similar thing on the eastern side. But only the casino resort will be above the deck.

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NYguy

Sep 5, 2024 1:42 AM

This is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about...

https://www.dezeen.com/2024/09/04/ne...-under-threat/

High Line "under threat" from proposed skyscrapers and casino say Friends of the High Line founders

Ben Dreith
9/04/24

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The Friends of the High Line founders Joshua David and Robert Hammond made a series of criticisms about proposed developments in an opinion piece published in NY Daily News today.

The duo expressed concerned about the impact of a proposed development at West Side Yard on the experience of the High Line – a disused railway track that was turned into a raised park by studios Diller Scofidio + Renfro, James Corner Field Operations and Piet Oudolf.

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The pair claims that such a development would negatively affect both the experience of the High Line and community-oriented urban development that has they say has resulted from the conversion of the elevated industrial rail line into a planted walkway a decade ago.

"Today the High Line is under threat again from Related and its casino partner, Wynn Resorts," said David and Hammond.

"They are now proposing a massive, Las Vegas-style development on the western rail yard that would wall off city views and eviscerate a hard-won, community-supported plan for a more balanced development centered on a major, riverview green space."

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The pair claims that the development would "block" the views from the High Line, which ends at Hudson Yards, and suggested that the casino and restaurants would negatively affect local businesses.

"So much for supporting the community fabric of Chelsea and Hell's Kitchen. This stands in contrast to other NYC-area casino proposals that offer incentives to patronize neighborhood restaurants," they said, adding that they support development of the site that would conform to the 2009 agreement.

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Related denied the claims, highlighting its status as a "long-time supporter" of the High Line. It claims that Friends of the High Line have engaged in a "disinformation campaign".

"First, the High Line is not remotely under threat by our proposal to develop the Western Rail Yards; as longtime neighbors and supporters of the High Line, we have met with them 10 times and made substantial amendments to our proposal in response to their concerns," a spokesperson for the company told Dezeen.

"Since that time, they have failed to communicate any substantive concerns and instead have launched a disinformation campaign."

Related also claims that the 2009 plan was scrapped because of economic feasibility, and noted the inclusion of housing under the proposed scheme, adding that the development will add housing and maintain the views from the High Line.

"While the High Line hand wrings over the impact on their 'city views' of a rail yard, this proposal will create a 5.6-acre new green public park, 5,000 permanent union jobs in the resort, more than 300 units of new affordable housing and much needed economic investment in NYC, all while enhancing access to the High Line."

I'm so sick of people just saying non-factual bullshit. But at least Related is fighting back. The evidence is all there for the jury to decide.

ChiND

Sep 5, 2024 2:18 AM

It will be an utter outrage if this project is killed (or dramatically scaled back) by NIMBYs.

NYguy

Sep 5, 2024 2:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10277022)

It will be an utter outrage if this project is killed (or dramatically scaled back) by NIMBYs.

It won't be scaled back. The square footage has to remain the same. But it is interesting that they met with the community and altered the project 10 times already. That means the formatting of the space probably changed from time to time. Could have been taller towers. Could have been a larger base. Who knows. The bottom line is everything the Friends of the High Line are saying is untrue. They can be against the casino, and that's fine. But they should just say that. It's the lying I can't stomach.

bdurk

Sep 5, 2024 3:13 PM

The fact that there are NIMBYs for these types of project in NYC always makes no sense to me. Manhattan is full of supertalls and somehow the 30th (I don't know the actual number but I figure it might be more than that) supertall skyscraper is going to "ruin" something. I'm used to people in Philly being like that but it is absurd to me that anyone can live in New York City and think they don't sound ridiculous spewing stuff like that.

Zapatan

Sep 5, 2024 6:20 PM

^ Agreed, anyone complaining about skyscrapers in NYC is welcome to move to Kansas.

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10277221)

It won't be scaled back. The square footage has to remain the same.

I just hope there's still a chance for something noticeably taller than 30HY.

gflny03

Sep 5, 2024 8:14 PM

Does anyone know if there's a development plan for Block 679?

NYguy

Sep 5, 2024 9:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bdurk (Post 10277238)

There is no rationale to NIMBY thinking. It is just the kneejerk reaction. Like a dog barking at anything that passes by.

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 10277473)

I just hope there's still a chance for something noticeably taller than 30HY.

I can tell you that that is not a goal of this development.

wanderer34

Sep 6, 2024 5:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bdurk (Post 10277238)

NIMBYism killed what would've been a very great supertall in Philly, yet NY is about to get it's 30th supertall. One Vanderbilt is a new supertall that I loved and it would've spurred competition between the two cities, but I guess Philadelphians are so nimbyish and so undynamic. They make great food, though!

Zapatan

Sep 8, 2024 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10277648)

I can tell you that that is not a goal of this development.

I know but it would be awesome.

I worry about the buildings being scaled back height wise (not square footage necessarily but being made fatter / shorter) and creating a plateau effect with the several existing 1k foot buildings.

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NIMBYism killed what would've been a very great supertall in Philly, yet NY is about to get it's 30th supertall.

Which one are you referring to?

NY has around 20 when counting U/C buildings.

MAC123

Sep 8, 2024 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 10278872)

Maybe he means including proposed? If so NYC has well over 30+

Zapatan

Sep 8, 2024 2:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MAC123 (Post 10278888)

Maybe he means including proposed? If so NYC has well over 30+

Maybe I'm cynical but proposals mean nothing. Many if not most never get built anyway.

ChiND

Sep 8, 2024 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10277221)

I agree. I thought that perhaps Related might cave and reduce the towers’ current proposed heights and instead build another one.

Anyway, presumably, if Wynn doesn’t get the casino license, the western yard won’t start for a long time, which means no school, no give-away, “affordable” apartments, and no park for a long time. Thus, these jerks are only spiting themselves. Also, on a bigger level for the city, Related’s proposal will create far more construction jobs than the other proposals would.

Zapatan

Sep 8, 2024 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10278971)

I agree. I thought that perhaps Related might cave and reduce the towers’ current proposed heights and instead build another one.

Do they have enough space to do this?

ChiND

Sep 8, 2024 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 10279164)

Do they have enough space to do this?

Weren’t 4-5 towers originally planned for the west yard?

P.S.: What’s the cat in the blanket supposed to represent? I’m curious.

Zapatan

Sep 9, 2024 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10279232)

Weren’t 4-5 towers originally planned for the west yard?

P.S.: What’s the cat in the blanket supposed to represent? I’m curious.

Not sure, I just hope they build as tall as possible here, not worried about the quantity since HY already has that. Although I guess both have their pros, especially if the designs stay cool.

No meaning, it's just a funny picture from years ago. Been meaning to update it.

ChiND

Sep 9, 2024 1:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 10279261)

Cool! :cheers::cheers:

NYguy

Sep 9, 2024 2:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10278971)

Anyway, presumably, if Wynn doesn’t get the casino license, the western yard won’t start for a long time, which means no school, no give-away, “affordable” apartments, and no park for a long time. Thus, these jerks are only spiting themselves.

The towers would have to be phased in, all but one being residential.

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 10279164)

Do they have enough space to do this?

They have more than enough space. Even in the earlier plan, with just as much open space, they were planning 8 towers.

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Zapatan

Sep 9, 2024 3:01 AM

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They have more than enough space. Even in the earlier plan, with just as much open space, they were planning 8 towers.

I guess that could easily kill the dream of seeing the heights in the title realized, I do like those designs though!

NYguy

Sep 9, 2024 7:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 10279316)

I guess that could easily kill the dream of seeing the heights in the title realized, I do like those designs though!

Why would it?

ChiND

Sep 9, 2024 9:22 PM

This is concerning.

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...ag-is-serious/

Zapatan

Sep 9, 2024 10:04 PM

^ This is why I never get my hopes for any proposal

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A decision is not expected until mid-2025, but already Related has hit a major snag. It is at an impasse with the Friends of the High Line, the creator and curator of the elevated park that has become the defining amenity of the West Side.

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10279776)

Why would it?

To please the NIMBYs. More towers = lower heights per tower. Unless they're skinnier.

NYguy

Sep 10, 2024 1:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10279846)

This is concerning.

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...ag-is-serious/

Not really. A lone councilmember doesn't have the power to block approval. The city council as a whole does have a say in the ULURP process. But if the city and state wants this done, it will be done. As it is, that's just one hoop, and the casino proposals already survived an earlier ULURP process. Even surviving ULURP (which is what the state is blaming the delay in licensing until next year on), there is still the matter of the 6 member board that has to approval a casino proposal before it even gets to the final round. Any proposal cand only afford to lose 2 votes, of which 1 will represent the city council member. Still a long way to go.

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 10279887)

To please the NIMBYs. More towers = lower heights per tower. Unless they're skinnier.

That could also equal less open space and more daylight blocking towers. See how that works?

Busy Bee

Sep 12, 2024 7:00 PM

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ChiND

Sep 12, 2024 8:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 10279982)

I hope that you’re right. I’d love to see the Related plan built precisely as shown.

NYguy

Sep 13, 2024 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10282011)

I hope that you’re right. I’d love to see the Related plan built precisely as shown.

Still a while to go before even this phase is final. There will be a lot of talking back and forth between then. Only once the land issues are finalized will this proposal (and the others) begin the state approval process, with more rounds of community engagement. It's a ridiculous repetitive process that was put in place by the governor, which is why we are where we are now - over a year away from knowing who the winning bidders are.

As far as the current ULURP goes, there are currently to things moving at the same time. The mapping change (alteration to a street), and modifications to the site plan itself, but not in the amount allotted to build.

NYguy

Sep 13, 2024 9:23 PM

Mapping action for 33rd Street

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ChiND

Sep 13, 2024 9:25 PM

It will be mierda del toros, per se, if this is not built as depicted.

NYguy

Sep 26, 2024 12:17 AM

Very glad they didn't go with this...

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NYguy

Oct 4, 2024 3:27 PM

This will be joining Metropolitan Park (Queens Future) in the 7 month approvals process soon.

https://www.amny.com/opinion/give-a-...sino-a-chance/

Op-Ed | Give a Manhattan casino a chance

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By Marc H. Morial
October 2, 2024

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As the New Orleans Mayor who brought the first land-based casino to the state of Louisiana, I know first-hand the opportunities–and the obstacles–of trying to bring gaming to an urban environment. That’s why I’m increasingly concerned to see the weakest arguments against development in New York City deployed against enormous economic opportunity for the city and state.

Top gaming operators are currently vying for three downstate casino licenses the state announced last year. Not surprisingly, opposition has been lining up to a number of projects before a single proposal has even been submitted. My sincere hope is that the decisionmakers allow the process to play out with integrity and give all proposals a fair hearing.

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The criteria for a winning bid should boil down to three key questions — who can deliver the most tax revenue, the most jobs, and the most benefits with the least disruption to their communities?

.....The resort will be the catalyst for other improvements that benefit the neighborhood’s growth and transition. This includes a large new public park, a public school and more than 300 units of affordable housing. As with most debates over big, public projects, some powerful people often get to have the loudest voices. They include supporters of a beautiful public park along the Hudson River who are worried that visitors’ views will be interrupted by the rail yards development. It would be unwise to let those concerns stand in the way of much-needed economic development that would benefit underserved communities. They need those jobs, that school, that park, and the services the tax revenues will provide. These are people who rarely have the power to influence these debates but have the most to lose if this project doesn’t happen.

...Certainly, no project is set in stone and community stakeholders must have an opportunity to weigh in and demand changes for the better. Indeed, Wynn and Related have already made changes based on community feedback and are certain to make more as they engage with additional community members. As all of this plays out, we must keep in mind what is in the best interests of all New Yorkers, and that should not be decided by a privileged few.

NYguy

Oct 12, 2024 5:09 PM

https://www.enr.com/articles/59491-m...-come-together

More Pieces of $16B Hudson River Rail Tunnel Come Together

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By James Leggate
October 11, 2024

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As work progresses on existing contracts of the $16.1-billion Hudson Tunnel Project between New York City and northern New Jersey, outgoing Gateway Development Commission (GDC) CEO Kris Kolluri said during the commission’s Oct. 11 meeting that seven of the nine contract packages will either be under construction or in procurement by the end of the year.

“A significant amount of work is happening on site and in our finance department,” Kolluri said.

Work on the Tonnelle Avenue bridge, which will carry road traffic over the New Jersey side approach to the rail tunnel, is about 48% complete, according to Hamed Nejad, GDC acting chief technical officer. He also told commissioners that 65% of secant piles for the Hudson Yards concrete casing on the New York side are complete, crews have begun underpinning the High Line, and 17,000 tons of soil have been excavated to date.

In the river, Nejad said crews have been working on a test section of the riverbed for stabilization and are preparing to start deep soil mixing.

• Video Link

NYguy

Oct 14, 2024 12:38 AM

This will be a good cam view to catch towers rising...

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NYguy

Oct 22, 2024 5:27 PM

https://igamingbusiness.com/casino/r...asino-project/

Rally planned in favor of New York’s Hudson Yards casino project

22nd October 2024
By Frank Legato

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The “We Build” rally, set for Thursday (24 October), is meant to counter recent efforts by the nonprofit “Protect the High Line.” The neighborhood group wants to defeat the project. Conversely, opposition says it would ruin the views afforded by the current High Line Park. The park provides an urban parkland vista over Hudson Yards, a former railroad facility.

Gary LaBarbera blasted the group’s efforts to derail the project in a letter published by the New York Post. LaBarbera, president of the Building and Construction Trades Council of Greater New York, wrote a letter to his union affiliates.

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Please join me with your members on October 24, 2024, at 555 West 18th Street at 3:30pm to raise our voices, call out the truth and send a message to elected officials that we will no longer be silent and that career opportunities, pathways to the middle class are simply more important than a few minutes of shade!!” wrote LaBarbera.

In addition, LeBarbera wrote an October letter to Friends of the Highline executive director Alan van Cappelle. In that letter, LeBarbera wrote,“We appreciate the experience of the High Line. However, we cannot let the fact that a new building may create new shadows prevent our city from moving forward. We live in a vertical city. We must continue to build. We must continue creating opportunities for our city’s residents, including residents of this community, to earn a middle-class lifestyle. We must raise our voices and be heard.

“Too often the will of the powerful few overcome the interests of the many. We cannot stand down and let this continue.”

https://nypost.com/2024/10/21/us-new...gh-line-elite/

NYC mega-casino plan pits hard hats vs. High Line ‘elite’ — as poll reveals what voters think

By Carl Campanile
Oct. 21, 2024

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Friends of the High Line, dumbfounded by the attack, released a poll Monday showing strong opposition from West Side voters to the mega casino development as currently designed.

The plan features an 80-story tower overlooking the Hudson River that would house a casino and hotel. Office buildings, apartment towers and a spacious 5.6-acre park would surround the gleaming casino skyscraper.

…. the Friends of the High Line survey found that 56% of West Side voters oppose the proposed zoning changes that would allow for the casino project over the Western Rail Yards, while only 24% support it.

Another 70% of voters say that placing a new 6 million square-foot development with a casino and three new skyscrapers directly adjacent to the northern part of The High Line would hurt neighboring West Side communities.

“New Yorkers want to see responsible development that respects our existing community commitments,” van Capelle said.

mrnyc

Oct 22, 2024 6:29 PM

opposition is about as nuts as it gets -- i guess people will whine about anything. :shrug:

NYguy

Oct 23, 2024 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 10305880)

opposition is about as nuts as it gets -- i guess people will whine about anything. :shrug:

They will. I don't even care if they would just say they don't want a casino. But saying the towers and the casino will alter the High Line experience should get people locked up. They tell you it would hurt the High Line and the neighborhood, but they can't tell you exactly how. Just say you don't want a casino, at least its honest and upfront.

NYguy

Oct 25, 2024 2:28 PM

https://w42st.com/post/newsletter/%F...well-at-rudys/

Hudson Yards Casino Support

by Phil O'Brien
October 25, 2024

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Tensions are rising over Hudson Yards’ casino proposal, as unions rallied on Thursday afternoon in support of the $12 billion project — while opponents released survey data revealing strong local opposition, citing obstructed views from the High Line and community concerns.

Building and Construction Trades Council of Greater New York President Gary LaBarbera and hundreds of union workers gathered outside the High Line’s main offices at 18th Street yesterday afternoon (Thursday) to voice their support of Related Company and Wynn Resort’s six million square foot development proposal.

“This is about your future,” LaBarbera told the crowd. “This city must continue to develop. If it does not develop, you don’t have a future.”

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Related and Wynn’s proposed casino complex features an 80-story tower housing a gaming facility, hotel and retail spaces on top of the Western Rail Yards (bw W31/33rd St and 11/12th Ave), next to office and residential buildings and a 5.6-acre park, comparable in size to Bryant Park. It’s also won the favor of former West Side Council Member and Women In Need Executive Director Christine Quinn.

Manhattan Community Board 4 (MCB4) has expressed strong opposition to Related’s plans submitted earlier this year, which are a far cry from the largely residential plan agreed upon in 2009. Originally, the site included 5,762 housing units (and no casino) — down to 1,507 in the updated proposal.

A campaign titled Protect The High Line, led by Friends of the High Line Executive Director Alan Van Capelle, opposes Related’s current proposal while supporting the 2009 plan, due to concerns that it would jeopardize iconic views of the NYC skyline from the park, 20% of which is located in the Western Rail Yards.

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ChiND

Oct 25, 2024 3:23 PM

These must be the same morons who tried to kill the Little Island park in the Hudson because it would harm the fish. They should all move to Portland.

BXFrank

Oct 27, 2024 5:44 PM

I hope this project gets built already with the supertalls and the affordable housing + school, really needed density in that area. That’ll be an incredible view from NJ, and a future James Bond scene on that casino would be epic lol.

ChiND

Oct 27, 2024 8:28 PM

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Are you the Beth Frank YouTuber? Your videos are great.

mrnyc

Oct 28, 2024 12:38 PM

what the heckkers is the matter with these people?

its an open rail yard pit for pete’s sake. :shrug:

SproutingTowers

Oct 28, 2024 5:00 PM

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Hudson Yards Casino Support

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October 25, 2024

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How many of these union workers actually live in Manhattan or ever walked the High Line? Sounds like they just want another developer to build a skyscraper just to keep them employed.

NYguy

Oct 28, 2024 5:29 PM

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How many of these union workers actually live in Manhattan or ever walked the High Line? Sounds like they just want another developer to build a skyscraper just to keep them employed.

Not the question to ask, not that it matters. Ask yourself how many people that visit the High Line are from that area, or even New York. Soundsclike the people in that area just want to protect their views, and keep certain people out. NOTHING about this new plan will affect that area more than what is currently planned for that site.

By the way, the casino will provide not just jobs, but MUCH needed income to the state to provide services for all New Yorkers.

NYguy

Nov 2, 2024 12:50 AM

NYguy

Nov 2, 2024 5:48 AM

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Hudson Yards Casino Picks Up Big Union Support, Friends of High Line Object

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01 NOV 2024

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It looks like such a lovely stroll. The sun glints off the apartment tower as you walk along the High Line from the shadow of the massive office building into the sunlight, first heading west toward the Hudson River and then north as the old railroad trestle loops around the sparkling new development of Hudson Yards West.This imagined meander comes courtesy of the developer, Related Companies, in a video that is the modern version of what used to be called an architect’s rendering.

But whether you see this rendering as a reasonable representation of what the hotel with casino could be or a rank piece of propaganda has a lot to do with which side you have taken in one of the nastiest fights yet triggered by the state’s decision to offer three new casino licenses in the New York City area.

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The city approved a plan in 2009 to deck over the western portion of the rail yard and build offices, 5,000 units of luxury and affordable housing, a school and a park. But Related never built it, and now says this is a better idea and, importantly, “economically viable.”

But Friends of the High Line, that wildly successful linear park on the reclaimed railroad trestle, say the plan would crowd the park, thrust it into shadows and “threaten the High Line experience.”

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While the High Line has been a huge boon to local business, a group of local merchants joined the construction workers in defending the casino development project.

“It is our firm belief that our city can’t afford to turn down opportunities for new business and economic growth,” wrote the ten small business owners, who ranged from Roman Mosher’s Manhattan Barber Shop to Sam Joseph’s Joe’s Pizza shop.

“The proposed development at Hudson Yards West would be vitally important for our community, creating the economic opportunities many of us need.”

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All of the 11 casino proposals would, presumably, generate construction and permanent jobs.

But few are quite on the scale of Hudson Yards (although perhaps close is the Soloviev group’s plan to partner with Mohegan Sun to build on its vast open property just south of the United Nations).

The heart of the criticism from the Friends of the High Line is that Related already had an approved plan for the (western) part of Hudson Yards.

“The 2009 plan allowed for up to 5,700 much-needed housing units,” Van Capelle said in comments repeated by Related so it could attack them. “The new plan has only about 1,500. That’s right—in the middle of a housing crisis, the developers are asking to slash the amount of housing they would build.”

Related called this “extremely disingenuous” because the abandoned housing units “were all ultra luxury condo units, which are no longer an economically viable option to pay for the $2 billion required platform over the railyard.”

The new plan, with 1500 units of housing, “still maintains our affordable housing commitment” as well as “the basic test of economic viability,” Related said.

Notably, while the new plan is centered on pursuit of one of the three new gaming licenses, Related soft-pedals the casino. “Gaming is only 3.6% of the total development,” the company said.

NYguy

Nov 6, 2024 6:55 PM

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