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Altoic Aug 27, 2022 8:01 PM

I count 10 150+ m towers U/C which means Austin is number 3 for skyscrapers under construction in the U.S.

1. NYC
2. MIA
3. ATX

That's incredible!!! Way to go austin :cheers:

Dariusb Aug 27, 2022 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altoic (Post 9714099)
I count 10 150+ m towers U/C which means Austin is number 3 for skyscrapers under construction in the U.S.

1. NYC
2. MIA
3. ATX

That's incredible!!! Way to go austin :cheers:

That's quite remarkable indeed!

pianowizard Aug 28, 2022 12:35 AM

How come CTBUH shows only 9 "UC" or "ST":

https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/exp...y=&output=list

Altoic Aug 28, 2022 1:10 AM

It takes people or the actual CTBUH staff to submit data for buildings whether they become U/C, proposed, etc... In the case of submittals they either take days to months. Recently I've noticed that the U/C count for the USA is still stuck at 69. Maybe they're not accepting any submits right now? It used to be only 4 U/C for austin before I submitted a few towers as U/C, it's really a community and staff effort.

MAC123 Aug 28, 2022 1:13 AM

CTBUH is good for a general overview, but specifics get muddy especially for people like us who know all the big developments going on. I noticed this when looking at NYC in general a while back.

Altoic Aug 28, 2022 1:28 AM

Yup, their U/C counts are a bit wrong for some cities. The completed section of towers is always right though.

Urbannizer Aug 30, 2022 12:56 AM

West Campus

Union on 24th | 310 feet | 29 floors

https://www.powerdesigninc.us/app/up...il_560x748.png

https://i.imgur.com/E1RyKnuh.jpg

Rise | 294 feet | 26 floors

https://www.riseatwestcampus.com/ima..._Exterior.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/TPGO0EHh.jpg

Rambler

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...g?format=1000w

https://i.imgur.com/PplvuIDh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8bNHHmGh.jpg

The ATX Sep 8, 2022 9:43 PM

X-posting from the Austin forum. We got another 700 footer today -707'. This is a twin tower project with the other tower being 540'

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Originally Posted by agsatx88 (Post 9725405)


The ATX Sep 8, 2022 9:51 PM

We also got an 858' tower today.

Elevations also added to this site plan. Seems to be 858'.

https://i.imgur.com/Yvr8I7u.jpg

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...ertyrsn=549074

ILUVSAT Sep 8, 2022 10:01 PM

Well...the rumors of a supertall there are incorrect. In any case - 858'6" is nothing to sneeze at.

Urbannizer Sep 8, 2022 10:07 PM

Block 41 North (Perennial Phase II) - 766’ & 65 Floors

Quote:

Originally Posted by agsatx88 (Post 9725455)
Elevations also added for this one. They aren't great quality but we should be able to get height from theses.

https://i.imgur.com/OG8DVvU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GV80bY3.jpg

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...rtyrsn=6626791

Sabine Tower - 439’ & 38 Floors

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Originally Posted by The ATX (Post 9725292)
It is the Sabine Tower now with 38 floors. I'm looking forward to the renderings.

https://i.imgur.com/fJeI6Ia.png
https://i.imgur.com/wxEk8tg.png


The ATX Sep 8, 2022 10:10 PM

Just today, we got elevations for towers that are:

858'
766'
707'
540'
439'

clubtokyo Sep 9, 2022 2:32 AM

Holt shit! Austin is not playing around!! Love to see it!

colemonkee Sep 9, 2022 2:34 AM

^ Wow, to say Austin is on a roll is an understatement.

drummer Sep 9, 2022 3:04 PM

Wow - I was traveling for work for a couple days and you guys put all this up! I need to step away more often!

unit Sep 9, 2022 4:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 9725472)
Well...the rumors of a supertall there are incorrect. In any case - 858'6" is nothing to sneeze at.

Wasn't the rumored supertall supposed to be at the lot near the Austonian that was recently purchased by a developer? If so, then there's still hope.

The ATX Sep 9, 2022 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by unit (Post 9726149)
Wasn't the rumored supertall supposed to be at the lot near the Austonian that was recently purchased by a developer? If so, then there's still hope.

Both sites were rumored to be a supertall. 3rd & Congress next to the Austonian is the 90-story rumor. This project (410 E. 5th) came up 125 feet short of supertall status.

Urbannizer Sep 9, 2022 11:23 PM

https://www.related.com/press-releas...fice-buildings

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Related Companies today announces two category defying, Class-A commercial office buildings in Austin, TX that will introduce a new class of luxury workspace to the City’s growing office market. Marked by Related’s signature amenity-driven design, hospitality services, and commitment to sustainability, One Ladybird Lake and 901 South Congress, will enhance Austin’s office environment to ensure the City’s growing roster of leading companies continually attract the nation’s top talent.

One Ladybird Lake, a joint venture partnership with Christopher Investment Company (CIC), will sit on 750 feet of downtown waterfront property, making it the first commercial office on the lake, and offering tenants one-of-a-kind access to the outdoors.

Designed by KPF, and developed in partnership with Austin-based Christopher Investments, the 15 story building will offer 475,000 sq. ft. of flexible, open plan commercial office space and 16,700 sq. ft. of retail space on the ground level. The building’s unique design will feature 4 large wrap-around terraces and a penthouse bar fostering collaboration indoors and out. Construction is expected to begin in late 2023 with an estimated grand opening in 2025.

901 South Congress will offer a boutique luxury office environment in the center of Austin’s most vibrant and sought-after lifestyle district.

Designed by Gensler, the five story, 106,854 sq. ft. luxury building will feature flexible, open plan layouts with expansive outdoor terraces on every floor. The ground floor will also have space for a retail or restaurant tenant. Construction will begin later this year and the building is expected to be completed in 2024.
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2...pjpg&auto=webp

https://m.box.com/file/1003169253167...ew/preview.png

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https://m.box.com/file/1003169965340...ew/preview.png

clubtokyo Sep 10, 2022 4:25 AM

Amazing!

Urbannizer Sep 13, 2022 2:04 AM

The Waller @ Symphony Square

https://i.imgur.com/wDXnxfEh.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/xAXTgVFh.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/M09GlTwh.jpeg

https://austin.towers.net/wp-content...5-1536x864.jpg

colemonkee Sep 13, 2022 3:40 AM

Oh wow, so One Lady Bird Lake would essentially take that big surface lot next to the Hyatt Hotel along the trail?

photoLith Sep 13, 2022 6:20 AM

Austin is off the chain. I’ve been to Austin about every year or so since the mid 90s and it’s been incredible to see it’s transformation. I was just there a few months ago again and it’ll be nuts to see it again in December when I go back to Texas and then it’ll be super nuts to see to see the skyline and the city in a couple of years.

I remember in the 90s when it was still weird and there was only a couple of “skyscrapers”. Now it’s going to have a skyscraper taller than even JP Morgan Chase in Houston. Never thought that would happen, even with the current skyscraper boom that’s been happening since around 2006 in Austin. I remember thinking that Austin would never get anything taller in the foreseeable future other than the Austonian back when it U/C.

Dariusb Sep 13, 2022 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 9729142)
Austin is off the chain. I’ve been to Austin about every year or so since the mid 90s and it’s been incredible to see it’s transformation. I was just there a few months ago again and it’ll be nuts to see it again in December when I go back to Texas and then it’ll be super nuts to see to see the skyline and the city in a couple of years.

I remember in the 90s when it was still weird and there was only a couple of “skyscrapers”. Now it’s going to have a skyscraper taller than even JP Morgan Chase in Houston. Never thought that would happen, even with the current skyscraper boom that’s been happening since around 2006 in Austin. I remember thinking that Austin would never get anything taller in the foreseeable future other than the Austonian back when it U/C.

I agree. I can't think of another city that has transformed as much as Austin except maybe Nashville. It'll be interesting to see the skyline in a few years. By 2030 it could rival Seattle/Bellevue.

BG918 Sep 13, 2022 7:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 9729142)
Austin is off the chain. I’ve been to Austin about every year or so since the mid 90s and it’s been incredible to see it’s transformation. I was just there a few months ago again and it’ll be nuts to see it again in December when I go back to Texas and then it’ll be super nuts to see to see the skyline and the city in a couple of years.

I remember in the 90s when it was still weird and there was only a couple of “skyscrapers”. Now it’s going to have a skyscraper taller than even JP Morgan Chase in Houston. Never thought that would happen, even with the current skyscraper boom that’s been happening since around 2006 in Austin. I remember thinking that Austin would never get anything taller in the foreseeable future other than the Austonian back when it U/C.

Same, it seemed like a sleepy large college town for many decades. Excited to see what other cities emerge in a similar fashion in the next couple decades.

clubtokyo Sep 14, 2022 1:58 AM

It’s a crazy development time, with pandemic and economic issues Austin keeps pacing on! Love it.

Urbannizer Sep 17, 2022 12:04 AM

Waterloo Park Central

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Two 37-story residential apartment towers with 921 units and over 772,000 square feet of living space.

28,000 square feet of retail space including a gourmet food hall and indoor live music venue.
30,000 square feet of elevated outdoor plaza that provides an amenity and connects the two residential structures, optimized to both contribute to and enjoy the 12th Street Capital View Corridor.
https://texasglobalequity.com/wp-con...00-298x450.jpg

https://texasglobalequity.com/wp-con...40-900x666.jpg

https://texasglobalequity.com/wp-con...g2-900x504.jpg

bossabreezes Sep 17, 2022 2:28 AM

Gotta love those gigantic, impossible to miss parking podiums.

Urbannizer Sep 17, 2022 4:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossabreezes (Post 9733572)
Gotta love those gigantic, impossible to miss parking podiums.

Rather unfortunate as it could be better integrated with the high-rise itself to make it less offensive but it’s pretty average for a sunbelt city. It does include parking for the retail component and outdoor plaza.

clubtokyo Sep 17, 2022 4:45 AM

Austin keeps growing tall and looking beautiful!

KevinFromTexas Sep 17, 2022 4:48 AM

I like the facade designs. Anything to distract from how ugly I-35 is.

chris08876 Sep 17, 2022 5:28 AM

Incredible times for Austin. And the towers keep rolling on.

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 9725472)
Well...the rumors of a supertall there are incorrect. In any case - 858'6" is nothing to sneeze at.

Ah, this answers my query. Was getting ready to ask about this but looks like I got my answer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbannizer (Post 9733637)
Rather unfortunate as it could be better integrated with the high-rise itself to make it less offensive but it’s pretty average for a sunbelt city. It does include parking for the retail component and outdoor plaza.

Its good to see high unit count developments. When developers start pitching developments 700...800...900+ units at a clip, that's a good sign. I'd especially look at the rate that they are selling units once they go to market. Your rapid sales or occupancy percentage in a short period is always good sign that more is to come. Unsatisfiable demand! :cheers:

Urbannizer Sep 17, 2022 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 9733664)
Incredible times for Austin. And the towers keep rolling on.



Ah, this answers my query. Was getting ready to ask about this but looks like I got my answer.

I can say the super-tall rumor is real. It has been upped from 859’ and from what I know it’ll be the tallest proposal outside of NYC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsCalledTownLake (Post 9710763)
Hearing construction start in 2Q23 with 4 year construction timeline. That length of time indicates a very tall building. Look for 9/26 design commission meeting.


chris08876 Sep 17, 2022 3:25 PM

^^^^

Thanks.

Yeah I'm almost in disbelieve of what's happening with Austin. Knock on wood but may the good luck continue! :D

kenc Sep 17, 2022 4:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbannizer (Post 9733637)
Rather unfortunate as it could be better integrated with the high-rise itself to make it less offensive but it’s pretty average for a sunbelt city. It does include parking for the retail component and outdoor plaza.

True... but DT Austin is getting so dense ( resulting in sky high land prices ) it may be cost effective soon to go underground with parking. Dallas and Houston are also filled with enormous parking podiums but both also have much larger CBD's so more land to work with.

As a Dallas native I hate to say it but the Austin skyline will eclipse both Dallas and Houston in terms of height by 2025 or so when all these towers are completed.

R1070 Sep 17, 2022 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kenc (Post 9733887)
True... but DT Austin is getting so dense ( resulting in sky high land prices ) it may be cost effective soon to go underground with parking. Dallas and Houston are also filled with enormous parking podiums but both also have much larger CBD's so more land to work with.

As a Dallas native I hate to say it but the Austin skyline will eclipse both Dallas and Houston in terms of height by 2025 or so when all these towers are completed.

Don't "hate to say it"... Dallas and Houston both have FAA regulated heights in their downtowns that Austin does not appear to have to deal with.

ILUVSAT Sep 17, 2022 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by R1070 (Post 9733961)
Dallas and Houston both have FAA regulated heights in their downtowns that Austin does not appear to have to deal with.

I don't believe that is 100% correct. In fact, if I remember correctly, it wasn't too long ago a Turkish developer filed a proposal with the FAA for a tower of 1,080'. However, I believe that proposal has died - but, not due to any FAA regulation. And, Houston already has 2 supertalls.

The FAA doesn't directly restrict the height of buildings, but issues a "determination of hazard" when buildings are too tall near airports. At that point, local zoning boards are reluctant to approve construction and buildings can become unaffordable because of higher insurance costs and smaller size.



If I'm not mistaken - as-the-crow-flies distances from a downtown to nearest edge of a runway (using Google Earth):

Dallas - DAL = 4.4 miles
Austin - AUS = 5.4 miles
Houston - HOU = 8.6 miles
Dallas - DFW = 13.8 miles
Houston - IAH = 14.1 miles

R1070 Sep 18, 2022 6:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 9734052)
I don't believe that is 100% correct. In fact, if I remember correctly, it wasn't too long ago a Turkish developer filed a proposal with the FAA for a tower of 1,080'. However, I believe that proposal has died - but, not due to any FAA regulation. And, Houston already has 2 supertalls.

The FAA doesn't directly restrict the height of buildings, but issues a "determination of hazard" when buildings are too tall near airports. At that point, local zoning boards are reluctant to approve construction and buildings can become unaffordable because of higher insurance costs and smaller size.



If I'm not mistaken - as-the-crow-flies distances from a downtown to nearest edge of a runway (using Google Earth):

Dallas - DAL = 4.4 miles
Austin - AUS = 5.4 miles
Houston - HOU = 8.6 miles
Dallas - DFW = 13.8 miles
Houston - IAH = 14.1 miles

Chase Tower in Houston is the only supertall they have and has been deemed as the highest a tower can go in that area. It's original design was to be taller than it currently is, but was cut short due to Hobby flight paths around downtown. The 2nd tallest tower is under 1,000 feet.

IluvATX Sep 18, 2022 6:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1070 (Post 9734498)
Chase Tower in Houston is the only supertall they have and has been deemed as the highest a tower can go in that area. It's original design was to be taller than it currently is, but was cut short due to Hobby flight paths around downtown. The 2nd tallest tower is under 1,000 feet.

A supertall is at least 984’ or 300 meters so Houston has 2.

The ATX Sep 18, 2022 7:30 PM

The Chase tower in Houston was originally planned to be over 1,100', but the FAA wouldn't allow it. I don't know what the exact FAA height limit is for downtown Houston, but I suspect it's not much more than the building's 1,002' height.

MAC123 Sep 18, 2022 7:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1070 (Post 9734498)
Chase Tower in Houston is the only supertall they have and has been deemed as the highest a tower can go in that area. It's original design was to be taller than it currently is, but was cut short due to Hobby flight paths around downtown. The 2nd tallest tower is under 1,000 feet.

A supertall is not 1,000 ft. And Houston has 2.

MAC123 Sep 18, 2022 7:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The ATX (Post 9734525)
The Chase tower in Houston was originally planned to be over 1,100', but the FAA wouldn't allow it. I don't know what the exact FAA height limit is for downtown Houston, but I suspect it's not much more than the building's 1,002' height.

Unfortunate. 1,100 ft would have been nice. But at least they got it as tall as they did.

N90 Sep 18, 2022 7:47 PM

Houston has 2 actual supertalls with JP Morgan Chase Tower (1,002 feet) and Wells Fargo Plaza (992 feet).

Antennas don’t count, if antennas counted the way spires do then One Shell Plaza is exactly 1,000 feet and is the 3rd supertall in Downtown Houston. IOW Houston isn’t hurting for supertalls, it has plenty of its own. NYC, Chicago, and LA are the only other cities besides Houston that have multiple supertalls.

I’m hoping Austin joins that small exclusive list of US cities with multiple supertalls someday in the future.

The ATX Sep 18, 2022 8:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N90 (Post 9734530)
Houston has 2 actual supertalls with JP Morgan Chase Tower (1,002 feet) and Wells Fargo Plaza (992 feet).

Antennas don’t count, if antennas counted the way spires do then One Shell Plaza is exactly 1,000 feet and is the 3rd supertall in Downtown Houston. IOW Houston isn’t hurting for supertalls, it has plenty of its own. NYC, Chicago, and LA are the only other cities besides Houston that have multiple supertalls.

I’m hoping Austin joins that small exclusive list of US cities with multiple supertalls someday in the future.

It looks like we'll have three if the the economy doesn't tank.

MAC123 Sep 18, 2022 8:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The ATX (Post 9734543)
It looks like we'll have three if the the economy doesn't tank.

Yeah, and aren't they supposed to be even taller than Waterline?

The ATX Sep 18, 2022 8:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MAC123 (Post 9734547)
Yeah, and aren't they supposed to be even taller than Waterline?

Yes.

wwmiv Sep 18, 2022 9:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The ATX (Post 9734543)
It looks like we'll have three if the the economy doesn't tank.

Wait. Three? Waterline, 410 E. 5th, and which other tower?

N90 Sep 18, 2022 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 9734581)
Wait. Three? Waterline, 410 E. 5th, and which other tower?

3rd & Congress (said to be 90 floors).

And that doesn’t even include the Railyard condos site, which has the potential to also be a supertall.

Looking at a possibility of 4 supertalls in Austin.

wwmiv Sep 18, 2022 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by N90 (Post 9734582)
3rd & Congress (said to be 90 floors).

And that doesn’t even include the Railyard condos site, which has the potential to also be a supertall.

Looking at a possibility of 4 supertalls in Austin.

Then I would argue that we are inevitably looking at more, because we all know whatever ends up at the old post office block whenever it is developed is a supertall.

KevinFromTexas Sep 18, 2022 10:52 PM

It's not distances to the airport that are so important as it is which way the runways go. In Austin's case, our runways (for now at least) run parallel to downtown. Meaning that inbound and outbound flights never fly directly over downtown on approach, at least, not at altitudes low enough to cause problems.

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Originally Posted by MAC123 (Post 9734528)
A supertall is not 1,000 ft. And Houston has 2.

I agree that 984 feet is a lame threshold for what is considered to be a supertall, but officially, it is.

It's not just a Wikipedia link saying it, but rather what the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat came up with years ago. Personally, I think 1,000 feet should be the cutoff point. One Shell Plaza is 714 feet to the roof, but the huge mast on the tower actually stands on the mainroof - below 714 feet. I think I measured it at 688 feet once. Anyway, the mast goes up to 999 feet, just shy of 1,000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertall_building

N90 Sep 18, 2022 11:14 PM

It’s because the US is the only country in the world that measures buildings by feet and not meters.

Supertalls are 300+ meters, that’s 984 feet, that’s the universally accepted threshold by almost every source and planning department.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertall_building

Houston has 2 supertalls, if counting antannas too then 3 supertalls. Which puts it just behind NYC and Chicago.

It doesn’t apply to us here in the US since we don’t have any but 600+ meters, or 1,969 feet, are considered megatalls.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ll_skyscrapers


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