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ILUVSAT Apr 12, 2021 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bossabreezes (Post 9245981)
The cookie cutter suburban areas are cheaper than the East Coast, but the places that people actually want to be are pretty outlandishly and artificially expensive IMO. I'm sure many East Coasters would agree.

I'm not trying to be rude or upset anyone when I say this, I just see this becoming a problem in the not-too-distant future. It could be a bubble on the horizon or some kind of slowdown due to the expense. I think Nashville is in a similar situation, although Nashville actually has more scarcity of land due to topography than Austin does and potentially justifies its high housing costs.

I don't see many young New Yorkers moving to Austin to live in a cookie cutter suburb, but precisely to the overly expensive areas that we're talking about. I know quite a few people, including one of my best friends who turned down a transfer to Austin due to its COL, and they currently live in New York. I've also worked out that living in Austin would cost more per month than it would in New York for me, mainly due to the necessity of having a car, something I don't have right now. Rents are actually not much cheaper out there for something nice.

In any case, I wish Austin the best and hope it can solve its housing issue.

I wouldn't worry about Austin. It's going to do just fine. I think I read last month that 45% of new Austinites came from either the Bay Area, New York or Chicago (55% coming from intra-state). Maybe the New Yorkers moving there don't mind living in cookie-cutter neighborhoods?!? Maybe that is the appeal?!? I don't know. But, they're moving. Austin is just not right for everyone. And that is a-okay.

With regard to Austin's prices...value is based on what someone is willing to pay. Just like you are only worth what someone is willing to pay you. Supply and demand. And, there is quite a gap in Austin right now. As more housing comes online, prices will stabilize. There is currently no concern of a bubble within the real estate professional establishment.

Additionally, Austin has it own topographical (and ecological/environmental) challenges - especially in its entire western frontier (from northwest Austin metro to southwest Austin metro). And the east side is not exactly flat either.

All-in-all, I too hope that the city can fast-track the entitlement process for a myriad of housing projects in the pipeline.



*A few interesting recent data points - since a comparison to Nashville was broached:
Nashville: seeing about ½ of the active listings it saw at this point in 2020. Roughly 2.4 months of inventory.
Austin: seeing about ¼ of the active listings it saw at this point in 2020. Roughly 0.4 months of inventory.

Austin, Phoenix, Nashville, Tampa and Denver are expected to be the hottest markets in 2021. While New York, San Fransisco and Los Angeles are expected to be the weakest.

AviationGuy Apr 14, 2021 5:40 AM

I don't have the data, but it seems like the steep terrain in the hills and valleys of southwest through northwest Austin haven't kept growth at bay in those areas. Many newcomers want to live in those close-in scenic areas if they can afford it. But they also want to live in the central part, which is so incredibly expensive that it's just ridiculous. I think someone mentioned already that there must be plenty of families that are perfectly happy in the cookie cutter burbs, which are still relatively reasonable. I know people who are moving east to the burbs in the former farmlands. That wouldn't be for me, but for many, it's just fine.

KevinFromTexas Apr 15, 2021 4:18 AM

Block 185/Google Tower 2

3/28

https://i.imgur.com/pVj1kQh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mtEpzue.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IYHS6zH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LLvnfRY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LPCC6VN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4ieF86w.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vB1trVR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YBCBG3g.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZR0Mrht.jpg

RiverSouth

3/28

https://i.imgur.com/JnawkHH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rTINaEb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fiUexiF.jpg

jtown,man Apr 15, 2021 12:43 PM

I've seen this issue (urban housing affordability) in Austin and many of it's peer cities.

Its actually cheaper to live in urban Chicago than urban Austin or Nashville. It simply is. Chicago has way more inventory and less population growth. Austin and Nashville have a very small stock of urban housing stock which has caused what limited stock they do have to increase in value to insane levels.

Add in the need of a car in Austin and Nashville, and a place like Chicago (or Philadelphia) become increasingly attractive.

kingkirbythe.... Apr 15, 2021 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jtown,man (Post 9249705)
I've seen this issue (urban housing affordability) in Austin and many of it's peer cities.

Its actually cheaper to live in urban Chicago than urban Austin or Nashville. It simply is. Chicago has way more inventory and less population growth. Austin and Nashville have a very small stock of urban housing stock which has caused what limited stock they do have to increase in value to insane levels.

Add in the need of a car in Austin and Nashville, and a place like Chicago (or Philadelphia) become increasingly attractive.

Yes. I lived in Austin for 10 years, and then I lived in Chicago for 10 years. Chicago was much cheaper in live in. Not having to have to have a car really makes a difference. I rented in both cities and Chicago was cheaper there too.

H2O Apr 15, 2021 3:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkirbythe.... (Post 9249729)
Yes. I lived in Austin for 10 years, and then I lived in Chicago for 10 years. Chicago was much cheaper in live in. Not having to have to have a car really makes a difference. I rented in both cities and Chicago was cheaper there too.

And yet Austin and Nashville are the places that are growing. Apparently more people value other qualities over affordability. I think Chicago is a great city, so don't take this as a bash, but there are a lot of cities in this country that are more affordable than Austin and Nashville because they are not growing. There is a correlation.

bossabreezes Apr 15, 2021 6:04 PM

Chicago is pretty inexpensive as far as big cities go, though.

Austin seems more expensive than NYC on average to me though, based off of my calculations on necessary things to live. Maybe someone from the Bay Area, which is generally more expensive than NYC can justify a move to Austin, but I wouldn't be able to if it were purely based off of economics.

Also, from what I've seen, salaries seem to be more or less 20% less in Austin for tech industry jobs. One of my best friends works at Google and turned down a relo opportunity because it came with a 20% pay cut. Strange how that works, considering NYC is actually more affordable than Austin for a single person, but perception says otherwise.

That being said, Austin makes a lot of sense for some people obviously since its exploding with population growth. I tend to think a lot of the people moving to Austin are relatively unestablished in their careers and see it as an Eldorado for opportunity, which is awesome.

New York isn't really like that anymore, it seems that entry level jobs are requiring a minimum of 5 years experience. Same in SF. In this regard, I think it is great that there is an intermediate between NY and SF where younger people actually have a shot at getting a decent tech job.

In regards to Nashville, I think they are probably facing a bigger bubble than Austin is, because their economy is largely inflated and not robust in the ways that Austin's economy is. So if I were to bet on Austin or Nashville, I would bet on Austin. That being said, there will definitely be a price correction at some point in Austin housing, probably in the next 3 years.

Urbannizer Apr 16, 2021 10:39 PM

Hanover Republic Square

https://i.imgur.com/28hWoRCh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/DyTUjCOh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HPcoocZh.jpg

H2O Apr 17, 2021 1:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bossabreezes (Post 9250185)
Chicago is pretty inexpensive as far as big cities go, though.

Austin seems more expensive than NYC on average to me though, based off of my calculations on necessary things to live. Maybe someone from the Bay Area, which is generally more expensive than NYC can justify a move to Austin, but I wouldn't be able to if it were purely based off of economics.

Also, from what I've seen, salaries seem to be more or less 20% less in Austin for tech industry jobs. One of my best friends works at Google and turned down a relo opportunity because it came with a 20% pay cut. Strange how that works, considering NYC is actually more affordable than Austin for a single person, but perception says otherwise.

That being said, Austin makes a lot of sense for some people obviously since its exploding with population growth. I tend to think a lot of the people moving to Austin are relatively unestablished in their careers and see it as an Eldorado for opportunity, which is awesome.

New York isn't really like that anymore, it seems that entry level jobs are requiring a minimum of 5 years experience. Same in SF. In this regard, I think it is great that there is an intermediate between NY and SF where younger people actually have a shot at getting a decent tech job.

In regards to Nashville, I think they are probably facing a bigger bubble than Austin is, because their economy is largely inflated and not robust in the ways that Austin's economy is. So if I were to bet on Austin or Nashville, I would bet on Austin. That being said, there will definitely be a price correction at some point in Austin housing, probably in the next 3 years.

I've lived here for 20 years, and the only housing price corrections we have seen accompanied major recessions - .com in 2001 and Great in 2008. The corrections were very short lived - 1 to 3 years, and quickly regained any lost value. Other than those corrections, year over year increases in home values have run 10% to 15%. Obviously, that can't last forever, but I don't see it ending anytime soon with the severe housing shortage we are currently in.

GoldenBoot Apr 17, 2021 4:29 PM

Sorry if this has already been posted. But, the following is a very interesting read...

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...-explored.html

clubtokyo Apr 24, 2021 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot (Post 9252330)
Sorry if this has already been posted. But, the following is a very interesting read...

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...-explored.html

Thanks for sharing! Pretty much agree with what the article.

The ATX May 9, 2021 12:25 AM

I updated the list of Austin's tallest projects:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...05&postcount=6

There are at least 46 projects in the pipeline that are 300'+ and 8 between 700' and 1,050'.

These are 15 of the 46 that are underway.

https://i.imgur.com/CAFnmUd.png

Dariusb May 9, 2021 6:23 AM

Wow, that's crazy!!

The Best Forumer May 9, 2021 9:01 AM

No kidding.

ILUVSAT May 9, 2021 5:56 PM

^^^And, 6XGuadalupe may end up being 883'. A new FAA lining is being discussed in the subforum which states the structure's heigh to be 883' - up from 848'.

Rumor has it that the developer would like to slightly increase the ceiling height on the residential unit levels - totaling an additional 35' in height.

wwmiv May 9, 2021 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The ATX (Post 9274094)
I updated the list of Austin's tallest projects:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...05&postcount=6

There are at least 46 projects in the pipeline that are 300'+ and 8 between 700 and 1,050'.

These are 15 of the 46 that are underway.

https://i.imgur.com/CAFnmUd.png

Is it just me or did I count 79 entires, not 46?

The ATX May 9, 2021 6:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 9274447)
Is it just me or did I count 79 entries, not 46?

There are 79 entries but 46 that are 300' or more.

The ATX May 9, 2021 6:41 PM

From the construction webcam. Austin's new tallest 6 x G at 848' and possibly 883' now with a switch from rental to condo, is about 16 floors up at the core:

https://i.imgur.com/jPMRolv.png
http://webcampub.multivista.com/inde...6-E3C4B0C3B2C1

Echostatic May 9, 2021 6:56 PM

Looks like Block 164 has some glass going up as well.

N90 May 9, 2021 8:28 PM

883 feet means that it’ll surpass Charlotte’s Bank of America Tower.

Dariusb May 10, 2021 12:27 AM

The density in that pic is nice.

ILUVSAT May 10, 2021 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by N90 (Post 9274554)
883 feet means that it’ll surpass Charlotte’s Bank of America Tower.

Yep. By 12'.

Even though I prefer the design of Charlotte's Bank of America Corporate Center, the 848' version of 6XGuadalupe will have a higher occupied floor (I believe) than exists in the BOACC.

ILUVSAT May 18, 2021 8:04 PM

Congrats Austin!!! So, the new Samsung EUV plant is now going to cost $1B more than originally proposed ($18 billion)!

https://english.etnews.com/20210518200001

https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsu...tory-location/

Dariusb May 19, 2021 4:22 AM

Damn, that's crazy!!

clubtokyo May 23, 2021 2:28 AM

Austin is booming!

Dariusb May 23, 2021 5:18 AM

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Originally Posted by clubtokyo (Post 9289071)
Austin is booming!

Indeed! Exciting times!

The ATX May 23, 2021 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dariusb (Post 9289127)
Indeed! Exciting times!

It'll get better when more 800 footers and the supertall get started. :) I don't even get excited about towers less than 600 feet nowadays.

Dariusb May 23, 2021 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The ATX (Post 9289398)
It'll get better when more 800 footers and the supertall get started. :) I don't even get excited about towers less than 600 feet nowadays.

Right and I'm so ready for it!

Urbannizer May 26, 2021 6:19 AM

Block 185

https://i.imgur.com/4rzotmU.png

ILUVSAT May 26, 2021 6:23 PM

The Google "Sail" is really coming along!

drummer May 26, 2021 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbannizer (Post 9291839)

We've talked about this before, but those arches are just white now....not a speck of yellow left on them from this view. Actually doesn't look half bad. How do they look up close? It's been a while since I've seen them.

brwise1159 May 27, 2021 2:25 PM

Google building.
 
I think this is the best looking tower in the skyline. It will great when finished.

Sigaven May 27, 2021 4:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drummer (Post 9292449)
We've talked about this before, but those arches are just white now....not a speck of yellow left on them from this view. Actually doesn't look half bad. How do they look up close? It's been a while since I've seen them.

I drive by them every day, looks like very very very very faded yellow almost white. Might as well just repaint to white tbh so it's brighter, would look much better

drummer May 27, 2021 6:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigaven (Post 9293508)
I drive by them every day, looks like very very very very faded yellow almost white. Might as well just repaint to white tbh so it's brighter, would look much better

Crazy that they didn't paint it with a better quality paint originally.

The Best Forumer May 27, 2021 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clubtokyo (Post 9289071)
Austin is booming!

Indeed! Exciting times!

Drcastro May 28, 2021 1:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drummer (Post 9293702)
Crazy that they didn't paint it with a better quality paint originally.

I believe yellow paint is for some reason prone to fading. Maybe yellow pigment generally.

drummer May 28, 2021 2:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drcastro (Post 9294191)
I believe yellow paint is for some reason prone to fading. Maybe yellow pigment generally.

Interesting. In any case, I kinda like the white. Hopefully they find a remedy that lasts a bit longer.

The Best Forumer May 28, 2021 2:46 PM

I'm sure there is a reason for that kind of paint.

KevinFromTexas Jun 4, 2021 9:50 PM

6/1

44 East

https://i.imgur.com/XUlcbZa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/02KK9Ch.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qLUGbQo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8zAMP8l.jpg

Block 164 Tower

https://i.imgur.com/bM0Dema.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HYMa8fm.jpg

Block 185 Tower

https://i.imgur.com/GLkBrA3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/V4y9nQ8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5KroTzb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qLMi0YK.jpg

Hanover Republic Square

https://i.imgur.com/a5fDAAQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/wtWUtao.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0HMPx72.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RaV4UWQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ylxUTXR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QkK2vLW.jpg

Waterloo

https://i.imgur.com/eTxkBgd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qLMi0YK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RgdziDz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/844c9Vf.jpg

colemonkee Jun 4, 2021 11:14 PM

Great skyline shots!

Dariusb Jun 6, 2021 12:14 AM

Awesome shots Kevin! Loving the dense angles too!

clubtokyo Jun 7, 2021 2:56 PM

Really nice skyline shots!

The Best Forumer Jun 7, 2021 6:27 PM

very nice... keep up the good work.

ILUVSAT Jun 9, 2021 8:20 PM

Looks like the developer of 6XGuadalupe has changed the residential component from apartments to condos - and is increasing the residential floor-to-ceiling height on those levels.

So, this tower, which is under construction, is going to be 66 stories and 883' tall.

Sweet!!!

Dariusb Jun 10, 2021 4:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 9306863)
Looks like the developer of 6XGuadalupe has changed the residential component from apartments to condos - and is increasing the residential floor-to-ceiling height on those levels.

So, this tower, which is under construction, is going to be 66 stories and 883' tall.

Sweet!!!

Sweet indeed! Thanks for the update!

Urbannizer Jun 11, 2021 4:26 PM

Hyatt Centric

https://i.imgur.com/H4HkQmih.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/w7301FNh.jpg

Whole Food Expansion

https://i.imgur.com/qNGErgRh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Vnq9r3gh.jpg

701 Rio Grande

https://i.imgur.com/Z18i4byh.jpg

clubtokyo Jun 12, 2021 2:21 AM

I love the skinny Hyatt centric so much!

Urbannizer Jun 14, 2021 5:25 PM

44 East

https://i.imgur.com/xnJuoV8h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Man1KK7h.jpg

Urbannizer Jun 16, 2021 5:45 AM

Hanover Brazos Street

https://i.imgur.com/cLIbe18h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7FiRltxh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/m8b5JU6.jpg

Block 185

https://i.imgur.com/mKOEtbvh.jpg

halo2masterq Jun 16, 2021 6:39 AM

Any news on the Austin statesman site? Feels like that should have started by now.


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