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drummer Nov 19, 2020 7:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drummer (Post 9111213)
Doesn't LA have a couple that are taller?

Edit: I just looked it up. These are from Wikipedia, so I'm not sure how accurate the numbers are...here are the 1000ft+ towers west of the Mississippi.

Wilshire Grand (Los Angeles): 1,100 ft / 335 m
Salesforce Tower (San Francisco): 1,070 ft / 326 m
**98 Red River (Austin)**: 1,023 ft / 311 m (is this the agreed-upon height?)
U.S. Bank Tower (Los Angeles): 1,018 ft / 310 m
JP Morgan Chase Tower (Houston): 1,002 ft / 305 m

I updated my post with the above as other folks were replying.

drummer Nov 19, 2020 7:13 PM

What would be cool is if this gets built, they love the success, and then come back and do something 100 ft taller at 99 Red River...:notacrook:

IluvATX Nov 19, 2020 7:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drummer (Post 9111213)
Doesn't LA have a couple that are taller?

Edit: I just looked it up. These are from Wikipedia, so I'm not sure how accurate the numbers are...here are the 1000ft+ towers west of the Mississippi.

Wilshire Grand (Los Angeles): 1,100 ft / 335 m
Salesforce Tower (San Francisco): 1,070 ft / 326 m
**98 Red River (Austin)**: 1,023 ft / 311 m (is this the agreed-upon height?)
U.S. Bank Tower (Los Angeles): 1,018 ft / 310 m
JP Morgan Chase Tower (Houston): 1,002 ft / 305 m

The height got changed to 1,030 ft on the Austin subforum.

drummer Nov 19, 2020 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IluvATX (Post 9111243)
The height got changed to 1,030 ft on the Austin subforum.

Ok, good to know, thanks. The ranking would remain the same, but a few extra feet is always nice!

Dale Nov 19, 2020 8:50 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O (Post 9110997)
No. Just 4/11 currently, but they have enough power to block some things. I guess the jury is still out on our newest Council Member. It seems like she might side more with the majority, but we will have to wait and see. Two current Council Members (one on each side) are also in run-offs. Their opponents are quite far right and would likely side with the NIMBYs.

Interesting, I thought the far left were the NIMBYs.

The ATX Nov 19, 2020 8:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale (Post 9111354)
Interesting, I thought the far left were the NIMBYs.

I would say it is both. NIMBYism seems to be a rare non-partisan issue.

ILUVSAT Nov 19, 2020 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drummer (Post 9111276)
Ok, good to know, thanks. The ranking would remain the same, but a few extra feet is always nice!

Based on ATX's diagrams and the FAA filing - this may actually be closer to 1042'.

EDIT: Based on compelling arguments on the Austin Forum, I'm currently in agreement that this tower is about 1031' in height.



Wilshire Grand has a 166' spire bringing it to 1100'. The peak of 98 Red River/Waller Creek Tower's roofline will be just under 100' taller than Wilshire's roof.

ATXboom Nov 20, 2020 7:16 PM

I second the notion that NIMBYism is non partisan. People want what they want for neighbors and context regardless of politics. But philosophically, regulating what can / can't be built is left leaning.

nixcity Nov 20, 2020 8:40 PM

I disagree, I don't know a single republican who would be okay with seeing a single family neighbor's home torn down for a small apartment complex.

eburress Nov 20, 2020 9:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nixcity (Post 9112481)
I disagree, I don't know a single republican who would be okay with seeing a single family neighbor's home torn down for a small apartment complex.

You don't know me, but I (frequently Republican) would be delighted by that.

GoldenBoot Nov 20, 2020 9:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nixcity (Post 9112481)
I disagree, I don't know a single republican who would be okay with seeing a single family neighbor's home torn down for a small apartment complex.

One would have to raise a least several homes for a "small apartment complex." Plus, there's going to be a zoning issue in accomplishing said feat.

I'm a conservative and would be in favor of more dense development in the inner city - especially if they got a great buyout deal! Heck, if the price was right, I might sell too.

Having said that, if said development was to occur in the suburbs, that would be more challenging.

IluvATX Nov 20, 2020 9:31 PM

Just some 500’+ Towers under construction
848’
https://i.postimg.cc/bJJsx7XW/6-X-Guadalupe.png
594’
https://i.postimg.cc/9X4HfCsq/JNDaJUxh.jpg
542’
https://i.imgur.com/uuO0BMuh.png
573’
https://i.imgur.com/jplDMjV.png
516’
https://austin.towers.net/wp-content...0785302458.jpg

ILUVSAT Nov 20, 2020 10:20 PM

^^^You forgot Hanover Republic Square (514', 44 floors).

IluvATX Nov 20, 2020 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 9112609)
^^^You forgot Hanover Republic Square (514', 44 floors).

I always forget about that one. I added it.:)

ILUVSAT Nov 20, 2020 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IluvATX (Post 9112628)
I always forget about that one. I added it.:)

Yeah...she's kind of tucked in there. :)

Dale Nov 21, 2020 12:49 AM

Yeah, just a few 500-footers. :)

KevinFromTexas Nov 21, 2020 1:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 9112609)
^^^You forgot Hanover Republic Square (514', 44 floors).

Hanover Republic Square is actually 516 feet. Building page:

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=116108

Quote:

Originally Posted by IluvATX (Post 9112628)
I always forget about that one. I added it.:)

The one that you added is Hanover 3rd & Brazos which is 514 feet. Both of those have 44 floors. I know, it's confusing. Building page:

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=119520

Austin has at least seven 500 footers in development, and 4 of those are under construction.

IluvATX Nov 21, 2020 2:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 9112832)
Hanover Republic Square is actually 516 feet. Building page:

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=116108



The one that you added is Hanover 3rd & Brazos which is 514 feet. Both of those have 44 floors. I know, it's confusing. Building page:

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=119520

Austin has at least seven 500 footers in development, and 4 of those are under construction.

I changed it. Hanover should be changed to 516’ in the Austin subforum.

ILUVSAT Nov 21, 2020 7:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 9112832)
Hanover Republic Square is actually 516 feet. Building page:

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=116108



The one that you added is Hanover 3rd & Brazos which is 514 feet. Both of those have 44 floors. I know, it's confusing. Building page:

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=119520

Austin has at least seven 500 footers in development, and 4 of those are under construction.

Kevin,

The image posted is of Hanover Republic Square (you can see that it is adjacent to the Hotel ZaZa). Also, according to the Austin sub-forums - Hanover Brazos is 45 stories and 513' and Hanover Republic Square is 44 stories and 514'. If these are incorrect, either you or TheATX need to make the appropriate adjustments.

Many thanks.

KevinFromTexas Nov 21, 2020 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 9112989)
Kevin,

The image posted is of Hanover Republic Square (you can see that it is adjacent to the Hotel ZaZa). Also, according to the Austin sub-forums - Hanover Brazos is 45 stories and 513' and Hanover Republic Square is 44 stories and 514'. If these are incorrect, either you or TheATX need to make the appropriate adjustments.

Many thanks.

Before IluvATX edited his post, he had the rendering up for Hanover 3rd & Brazos. He was only posting projects that were under construction. Hanover 3rd & Brazos is not under construction, but Hanover Republic Square is.

The difference in height for Hanover Republic Square is because the first elevations we saw didn't show the mechanical penthouse. There had been some modification to the roof that added height. I had the 516 foot height listed in my files, but I'm not sure why the thread title wasn't updated.

Here's my post explaining the bump in height when those elevations came out last year.
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...&postcount=122

As for Hanover 3rd & Brazos, I'm not sure why I said 514 feet. It is 513 feet according to the elevations. However, there was an FAA permit filed in August that said 514 feet.

FAA permit info.
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...4&postcount=97

My post with with the 513 foot height from the site plan that was posted to the AULCC page in June.
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...8&postcount=91

ILUVSAT Nov 21, 2020 3:51 PM

^^^Awesome. Many thanks, Kevin.

IluvATX Nov 21, 2020 3:53 PM

Proposed 700’+ towers (too many under 700’)

98 Red River 1031’
https://i.imgur.com/l2hIbRp.png
BBVA Tower 774’
https://i.imgur.com/DQPKKHE.png
ATX East ~900’
https://i.imgur.com/Tr4qlG2.jpg
The Republic 708’
https://i.imgur.com/XfxjspM.png
Block 16 723’
https://i.imgur.com/WtmgNpT.png

wwmiv Nov 21, 2020 4:39 PM

I’ve never seen this block 16 proposal rendering. What project is this?

GoldenBoot Nov 21, 2020 5:04 PM

I think the consensus is the proposed ATX East may be north of 1000' tall. ATX West may be between 650' & 750'. However, this development may require a PPP with the city due to the convention center expansion.



Missing from the list:

-4th & Brazos (823'/65 stories)
-Travis-Tower II (704'/60 stories)

GoldenBoot Nov 21, 2020 5:06 PM

4th & Brazos:

https://i.imgur.com/4qduNY2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bUeLT6D.jpg

IluvATX Nov 21, 2020 5:17 PM

^^^ that’s Right. Another one. 823’ ^^^
I left out Travis 2 because I thought it was down to only one tower now.

Dariusb Nov 21, 2020 5:36 PM

This city just keeps changing and evolving day by day!

dc_denizen Nov 21, 2020 6:22 PM

Do you folks think any scrapers will get built East of I-35 ?

wwmiv Nov 21, 2020 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_denizen (Post 9113249)
Do you folks think any scrapers will get built East of I-35 ?

There are some legit skyscrapers east of 35 already, like RBJ and that new one at MLK.

Now that we have passed Project Connect, the Green Line commuter rail will be a key component in upzoning areas east of 35. In fact, the city did just that the other day with the old Motorola campus off of 183 just a stones throw from a potential Green Line station with heights on one parcel up to 400’ and 120’ elsewhere. The details aren’t exactly nailed down what will end up happening here, as the proposals keep changing, but something will happen here. This is half the distance from downtown as the Domain and IBM with basically the same development premise and is now also on a commuter rail line.

We already have VMU development built, in progress, or proposed all the way out to this development, too. It isn’t as if this is detached from our existing urban core. It is an extension of it. Visually speaking, it’ll be a cohesive skyline with two nodes.

Short answer: there already are, there are current proposals, and there will be more.

The ATX Nov 21, 2020 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IluvATX (Post 9113203)
^^^ that’s Right. Another one. 823’ ^^^
I left out Travis 2 because I thought it was down to only one tower now.

It's still approved as two towers with the apartment tower being built first and the second condo & hotel tower being built after the first one is completed. But I'm starting to think this project has Covid.

KevinFromTexas Nov 22, 2020 5:06 AM

So, yeah, Austin has 8 towers on the way that are over 700 feet. One of those is under construction (6 X Guadalupe). To put that into perspective, Dallas has 5 towers over 700 feet. Houston has 11 in that height bracket with another one under construction. If all those happen, that would put Texas in the top three along with New York and Illinois for 700+ footers, and we'd have nearly twice as many as #4 California.

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Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 9113179)
I’ve never seen this block 16 proposal rendering. What project is this?

The design changed. Previously, it was planned to be 613 feet with 42 floors. I wasn't so crazy about this new design they have for it at first, but I'm coming around to it the idea. I like the color and facade design. It's just the overall shape that bugs me.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240509

https://austin.towers.net/[email protected]

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Originally Posted by dc_denizen (Post 9113249)
Do you folks think any scrapers will get built East of I-35 ?

There are a few already, but nothing that I would really call a skyscraper. The tallest so far is The Dorsey condo tower, but it's only 170 feet. There are taller buildings planned farther out than that. So far, the Domain in North Central Austin is turning into our 2nd downtown with a handful of 200 foot buildings built and under construction. There's also a 300 foot office tower under construction up there. And there's at least one office building planned that could be a few feet shy of 400 feet there. Then there is the 3443/Austin Viie office park in East Austin that WWMI mentioned that could have three 400 footers, plus two 200 footers and a handful of other low highrises. Then there is the Statesman newspaper site just south of downtown across the river. That redevelopment has shown several renderings with a handful of towers. One of them could be north of 500 feet. And there already a handful of high rises south of the river now. The tallest now is a 200 foot condo, and there's another 200 foot office tower being built nearby.

I did a Google Earth rough model of Austin projects and included the 3443 Tech campus. You can see them on page 5 of this thread:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...=231930&page=5

Statesman redevelopment thread - there are renderings on page 13 and a model on page 16.
http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...199758&page=13

Dariusb Nov 22, 2020 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 9113579)
So, yeah, Austin has 8 towers on the way that are over 700 feet. One of those is under construction (6 X Guadalupe). To put that into perspective, Dallas has 5 towers over 700 feet. Houston has 11 in that height bracket with another one under construction. If all those happen, that would put Texas in the top three along with New York and Illinois for 700+ footers, and we'd have nearly twice as many as #4 California.



The design changed. Previously, it was planned to be 613 feet with 42 floors. I wasn't so crazy about this new design they have for it at first, but I'm coming around to it the idea. I like the color and facade design. It's just the overall shape that bugs me.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240509

https://austin.towers.net/[email protected]



There are a few already, but nothing that I would really call a skyscraper. The tallest so far is The Dorsey condo tower, but it's only 170 feet. There are taller buildings planned farther out than that. So far, the Domain in North Central Austin is turning into our 2nd downtown with a handful of 200 foot buildings built and under construction. There's also a 300 foot office tower under construction up there. And there's at least one office building planned that could be a few feet shy of 400 feet there. Then there is the 3443/Austin Viie office park in East Austin that WWMI mentioned that could have three 400 footers, plus two 200 footers and a handful of other low highrises. Then there is the Statesman newspaper site just south of downtown across the river. That redevelopment has shown several renderings with a handful of towers. One of them could be north of 500 feet. And there already a handful of high rises south of the river now. The tallest now is a 200 foot condo, and there's another 200 foot office tower being built nearby.

I did a Google Earth rough model of Austin projects and included the 3443 Tech campus. You can see them on page 5 of this thread:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...=231930&page=5

Statesman redevelopment thread - there are renderings on page 13 and a model on page 16.
http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...199758&page=13

Wow! The fact that Austin will soon have more 700+ footer buildings than Dallas and could eventually surpass Houston is mind boggling.

The ATX Nov 23, 2020 1:37 AM

Not that it matters much, but we're back at 1,022 feet for 98 Red River for now. Here's a side by side of the two best renderings:

https://i.imgur.com/ApyW4a7.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/AdkZcRH.png

IluvATX Nov 23, 2020 5:18 PM

Any speculation on the hotel operator? ^^^

R1070 Nov 24, 2020 2:56 AM

Am I the only one who doesn't like the look of it? If Austin is going to get a supertall, it needs to be very sleek. That is too bulky on the bottom and the top design is just not good.

The ATX Nov 24, 2020 3:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1070 (Post 9115134)
Am I the only one who doesn't like the look of it? If Austin is going to get a supertall, it needs to be very sleek. That is too bulky on the bottom and the top design is just not good.

Not that it probably matters, but it is bulky on the bottom because the podium is really two buildings that are connected a couple floors up. The south building is a hotel. The split in the podium is the hotel entrance.

https://i.imgur.com/GnhhJNZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/Z8CWlor.png

Dariusb Nov 24, 2020 5:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1070 (Post 9115134)
Am I the only one who doesn't like the look of it? If Austin is going to get a supertall, it needs to be very sleek. That is too bulky on the bottom and the top design is just not good.

I'd love a building with Asian skyscrapers as inspiration. That'd look cool!

AviationGuy Nov 25, 2020 3:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1070 (Post 9115134)
Am I the only one who doesn't like the look of it? If Austin is going to get a supertall, it needs to be very sleek. That is too bulky on the bottom and the top design is just not good.

Agree. Not at all fond of that design.

clubtokyo Nov 26, 2020 4:04 AM

I like the design, it’s different and unique in my opinion.

photoLith Nov 26, 2020 12:15 PM

It’s pretty hideous in my opinion. It looks all disjointed. Needs to be sleek like the Austonian or something.

IluvATX Nov 26, 2020 3:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clubtokyo (Post 9117199)
I like the design, it’s different and unique in my opinion.

Agreed, though the “lines” between floors should be every floor instead of every two. It makes it look like a ~40 floor super tall.

KevinFromTexas Nov 26, 2020 5:25 PM

I freaking love the landscaping and interaction with Waller Creek. I like the podium and tower facade. I like the columns, but I feel like there could be some tweaking. Don't ask me how, though. I'm not crazy about the crown, and I'm pretty much never a fan of angled facades/slopes, but sometimes they turn out ok. Overall, I like it, but I feel that the crown needs the most work. I don't know how to make it work, but I still wish we could get another Frost Bank style crown to complement it.

GoldenBoot Nov 26, 2020 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IluvATX (Post 9117455)
Agreed, though the “lines” between floors should be every floor instead of every two. It makes it look like a ~40 floor super tall.

Actually, I like the way it looks consistent between the two uses of the tower itself - office and residential. The office floors are twice as tall as each individual residential floor.

The ATX Nov 26, 2020 11:28 PM

Here's the new 1215 Red River project that We vs us posted about in the Austin sub-forum. 36-story residential & 15-story office.

https://i.imgur.com/NwROnHb.png
https://i.imgur.com/9obqVso.png
https://i.imgur.com/lxQ43cn.png
https://www.austintexas.gov/edims/do....cfm?id=350672

clubtokyo Nov 27, 2020 4:13 AM

These are sharp designs and I am here for it!

Syndic Dec 1, 2020 4:23 AM

I like the design of the smaller one better but hard to beat that view from the bigger one.

Hard to overstate the impact that views of the capitol are having on spurring development further north. Who wouldn't want a view of the capitol from their balcony?

Sigaven Dec 1, 2020 5:53 PM

Does the Capitol View Corridor go between these two buildings?

KevinFromTexas Dec 1, 2020 6:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sigaven (Post 9121724)
Does the Capitol View Corridor go between these two buildings?

No, but the East 7th Street bridge at Tillery one is to immediately to the south of them, and the East 12th Street bridge at I-35 is immediately to the north of them.

ATX_21 Dec 3, 2020 9:48 PM

$1 Billion development set to replace a strip mall in southwest Austin!
https://communityimpact.com/austin/s...eek-greenbelt/

Quote:

Developer Barshop & Oles Co. announced plans Dec. 3 for a major project to remake the Brodie Oaks Shopping Center in Southwest Austin.

The mixed-use project, which could top $1 billion of total investment over the next ten years, is still in the conceptual stage, according to a press release. The developer plans to file an application for a planned unit development with the city of Austin in February, and construction could begin at the end of 2022 or in 2023.
https://communityimpact.com/uploads/.../03/104256.jpg
Quote:

Redevelopment will come in phases. In the end, the project could include 1,600 new residential units, 1.1 million square feet of office space, 450 hotel rooms, and 140,000 square feet of retail and restaurant space. According to the release, the total square footage of the project would be up to 3 million, with an additional 13.7 acres of parking lot and building area being converted to green space.

Echostatic Dec 3, 2020 10:57 PM

Welcome to the forum ATX_21!

This proposal is quite exciting, it even has (tentative) support from the usually obstructionist Save Our Springs. If this does happen, I just hope Texican sticks around for a few years.


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