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H2O May 23, 2024 9:04 PM

What's the scoop on the latest lawsuit? I'm sure it is the usual cast of characters but what is their supposed legal angle this time?

paul78701 May 24, 2024 1:34 AM

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Originally Posted by H2O (Post 10210450)
What's the scoop on the latest lawsuit? I'm sure it is the usual cast of characters but what is their supposed legal angle this time?

Environmental group sues Austin over massive redevelopment project at old Statesman building:
https://www.kvue.com/article/money/e...f-00620a334f07

The "environmental group", Save Our Springs, is suing to prevent the redevelopment of the naturally occurring sea of parking and vacated building.

H2O May 24, 2024 12:39 PM

So their argument is that PUDs are illegal?

GoldenBoot May 24, 2024 5:37 PM

^^^Inhaling O2 and exhaling CO2 is illegal to these nuts!

The ATX May 24, 2024 6:33 PM

The City Council votes on re-zoning the SCW District next week, and most of the area will have no height limit. I wonder if that will affect the case against the PUD?

https://x.com/TheATX1/status/1792969052475777400

Armybrat May 25, 2024 12:36 AM

Too bad - part of that site would be a perfect spot for a world class opera house with a different iconic architectural design - kinda like they did down in Sidney, Australia.

H2O May 25, 2024 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The ATX (Post 10211086)
The City Council votes on re-zoning the SCW District next week, and most of the area will have no height limit. I wonder if that will affect the case against the PUD?

https://x.com/TheATX1/status/1792969052475777400

Dang that's bold! After all the wrangling over even 200 feet in that area over the years.

ILUVSAT May 25, 2024 4:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Armybrat (Post 10211316)
Too bad - part of that site would be a perfect spot for a world class opera house with a different iconic architectural design - kinda like they did down in Sidney, Australia.

Why? The Long Center is right next door. There is no need for two, large performing arts centers.

I will say I was extremely disappointed when the original redesign of the Long Center was dumbed down to its current design. If I'm correct, I think it was going to be designed by SOM.

SproutingTowers May 26, 2024 1:46 AM

Is this Long Center expansion still in the works?

https://www.element5architecture.com/commercial-1

https://i.ibb.co/gjJpJBW/expansion.jpg

clubtokyo May 26, 2024 3:59 AM

I hope so that looks cool!

Armybrat May 26, 2024 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 10211584)
Why? The Long Center is right next door. There is no need for two, large performing arts centers.

I will say I was extremely disappointed when the original redesign of the Long Center was dumbed down to its current design. If I'm correct, I think it was going to be designed by SOM.

The Long Center architecture is as notable as an outhouse.
The Capital of Texas deserves a landmark entertainment structure that is an actual work of art.

wwmiv May 26, 2024 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Armybrat (Post 10211917)
The Long Center architecture is as notable as an outhouse.
The Capital of Texas deserves a landmark entertainment structure that is an actual work of art.

Amen.

Riverranchdrone May 26, 2024 3:54 PM

I respect your opinion but would disagree. The Reuse of the Old Parmer event center tiles are a great architectural design. Not to mention the circle of pillars have become a landmark photography spot that showcases the Austin skyline in the background. Not sure about how the inside looks. Maybe that's not that impressive. At least from the outside is has many elements that are Austin.

GoldenBoot May 26, 2024 5:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Armybrat (Post 10211917)
The Long Center architecture is as notable as an outhouse.
The Capital of Texas deserves a landmark entertainment structure that is an actual work of art.

I wish people would stop throwing around the word "deserve(s)." Especially when talking about a city.

As pointed out, the powers that be had a world-class design for the Long Center. However, those plans were axed for the current design.

austlar1 May 26, 2024 7:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverranchdrone (Post 10211984)
I respect your opinion but would disagree. The Reuse of the Old Parmer event center tiles are a great architectural design. Not to mention the circle of pillars have become a landmark photography spot that showcases the Austin skyline in the background. Not sure about how the inside looks. Maybe that's not that impressive. At least from the outside is has many elements that are Austin.

Maybe, but, when viewed from afar, the Long Center and adjacent parking facility is a clunky looking mess. It is architecturally incoherent, and it drastically needs an overall facelift. The interior of the building could use some refurbishment as well. It is sterile and not particularly user friendly.

J78704 Jun 3, 2024 1:48 PM

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Originally Posted by austlar1 (Post 10212063)
Maybe, but, when viewed from afar, the Long Center and adjacent parking facility is a clunky looking mess. It is architecturally incoherent, and it drastically needs an overall facelift. The interior of the building could use some refurbishment as well. It is sterile and not particularly user friendly.

Agreed! While a LC expansion would strengthen the facility, it would be even better for the neighborhood to demo the parking garage along Barton Springs for a buried parking structure (including public access for the parks) with retail, hotel, and residential on top. It could generate significant tax revenue and land some affordable / mixed housing proximal to the S. Congress line / walking distance to downtown if done right.

drummer Jun 3, 2024 2:26 PM

I think the main structure of the Long Center isn't terrible - could be better, but not terrible. The parking structure and chaotic integration of everything (LC, Palmer, and parking) is what makes it awful. I don't think it's beyond repair, though. Any solution would be costly, especially if maintaining a certain amount of parking were involved - my though is any parking there should be subterranean - same with deliveries. Obviously that would be a massive overhaul, and there would have to be something to support such a huge investment.

paul78701 Jun 3, 2024 9:33 PM

The idea of putting the parking garage and Riverside Dr below ground through Auditorium Shores/Butler Park has been suggested before:
https://services.austintexas.gov/edi....cfm?id=227996

I would be all for it. Riverside cutting through this park space is as much of a detriment as Barton Springs Road is at Zilker.

H2O Jun 4, 2024 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT (Post 10211584)
Why? The Long Center is right next door. There is no need for two, large performing arts centers.

I will say I was extremely disappointed when the original redesign of the Long Center was dumbed down to its current design. If I'm correct, I think it was going to be designed by SOM.

I don't know. I think the exposed ring beam framing the skyline from the terrace has become an icon of Austin.

Urbannizer Jun 11, 2025 6:08 PM

:cheers:

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...it-austin.html

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Judge sides with city in Statesman PUD lawsuit

A Travis County judge has sided with the city of Austin in a case over the planned redevelopment of the former Austin American-Statesman site, allowing a skyline-changing project to move forward.

The lawsuit, filed by environmental watchdog Save Our Springs Alliance, sought to void Austin City Council’s 2022 approval of the planned unit development zoning of the site. Opponents alleged the city did not provide proper public notice or reasonable opportunity for public comment before it was voted on.

The ATX Jul 22, 2025 10:48 PM

Statesman Demo won't be happening anytime soon. Base Power is investing $500K to renovate 100K Sq Ft of the Statesman building for a "maintenance and sevice" facility. They have a recent TDLR filing and some city permits including a site plan for this project.

Base Power is a provider of backup power systems.

Urbannizer Oct 9, 2025 10:47 PM

https://communityimpact.com/austin/s...th-1b-funding/

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Battery-powered home energy service Base Power has acquired funds to expand its operations with a Texas factory in the heart of Austin.

What to know

The company has raised $1 billion alongside 20 investors which will help build its first Texas factory in the space previously occupied by the Austin-American Statesman printing press in downtown Austin.

BrBlu Oct 11, 2025 10:46 PM

It seems odd that you would want to build batteries in a downtown location and then it seems even odder you would go to that much trouble for a temporary lease. Unless the 18-24 month part is wrong

Riverranchdrone Oct 11, 2025 11:05 PM

[IMG]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3b7968b3_b.jpgSOCO-23 by Jason Luebbe, on Flickr[/IMG]
[IMG]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9b59edee_b.jpgSOCO-24 by Jason Luebbe, on Flickr[/IMG]

The ATX Oct 11, 2025 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BrBlu (Post 10496269)
It seems odd that you would want to build batteries in a downtown location and then it seems even odder you would go to that much trouble for a temporary lease. Unless the 18-24 month part is wrong

Endeavor must have given them a great deal on the lease while they wait for their SE Austin factory to be built. Any money heading Endeavors way from this site is a plus since it won't be developed anytime soon.

BrBlu Oct 12, 2025 9:24 PM

Yeah true! Ah I missed the part about their hq being right there also that makes sense for QC on a fresh new company. I also didn’t realize the battery cells were already manufactured and they are just basically locally packaging them into their modules. Every now and then I’ll use my eyes to read lol


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