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The ATX Feb 15, 2016 5:45 AM

In this rendering it looks like the facade juts out slightly in every other group of four windows on the office levels.

https://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/a...32962eff161956
http://shoalcreekwalk.com/building/#building-1

AustinGoesVertical Feb 15, 2016 9:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The ATX (Post 7335931)
In this rendering it looks like the facade juts out slightly in every other group of four windows on the office levels.

https://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/a...32962eff161956
http://shoalcreekwalk.com/building/#building-1

Nice catch. So this building may not look so generic after all. I had never noticed that before, but that makes it feel fluid rather than a box you'd typically see in an office park.

Syndic Feb 16, 2016 12:15 AM

Oh that's super weird. I can't wait to see this effect in real Life.

427MM Feb 16, 2016 2:14 AM

This developer has a looong history of skimping out of great streets sidewalks (they even have a cheesy name for what they call their version of sidewalks). I truly hope that they do not do that with this block.

Digatisdi Feb 16, 2016 2:34 AM

It appears they're under quite a bit of scrutiny at the moment so I should hope they don't try something.

smith_atx Feb 16, 2016 3:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndic (Post 7336587)
Oh that's super weird. I can't wait to see this effect in real Life.

Our version of the Beekman Tower ;)

427MM Feb 16, 2016 4:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Digatisdi (Post 7336755)
It appears they're under quite a bit of scrutiny at the moment so I should hope they don't try something.

Ah, Richard--had he replied maybe he would have talked about some of his past successful projects such as the Hobby Building?...

AustinGoesVertical Feb 16, 2016 5:37 AM

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Originally Posted by smithlua (Post 7336818)
Our version of the Beekman Tower ;)

Petition to move that to the post office site?

ahealy Feb 16, 2016 5:57 AM

Just a little baby dash of Gehry

drummer Feb 16, 2016 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinGoesVertical (Post 7336946)
Petition to move that to the post office site?

Set it up and I'll sign it. :cheers:

Syndic Feb 17, 2016 1:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 427MM (Post 7336733)
This developer has a looong history of skimping out of great streets sidewalks (they even have a cheesy name for what they call their version of sidewalks). I truly hope that they do not do that with this block.

Well, they're already shitting on the urban fabric of downtown Austin by putting in steps and a railing, ruining any chance of any street interaction, so I can't say I'm surprised.

paul78701 Feb 17, 2016 4:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndic (Post 7337997)
Well, they're already shitting on the urban fabric of downtown Austin by putting in steps and a railing, ruining any chance of any street interaction, so I can't say I'm surprised.

Because the building has to deal with the flood plain. Which is certainly not the developer's fault.

wwmiv Feb 17, 2016 5:15 AM

Plus, this type of mini plaza type setting can actually break up an otherwise monotonous urban environment, thus providing more character and unique natural gathering places of people. In a city like Austin, diversifying the way that buildings interact with the streets not just horizontally, but vertically as well (especially when it interacts with the natural geography, as it does here), would actually aid in creating a more pedestrian friendly environment precisely because it creates a more unique urban atmosphere with places people actually want to experience. These kinds of designs have actually won cities like Greenville (S. Main Street / Reedy River area) Columbia (Congaree Vista) awards for their downtown redevelopment efforts.

For a wonderful example of why these kinds of designs are amazing at creating sustained pedestrian life, see Asheville, NC. It works there, it could work here. How involved is Austin in the craft beer industry? I imagine that probably helps Asheville, but we're also a tourist and music city with a vibrant downtown, so why aren't there more ad hoc public gathering spaces?

claustrum Feb 17, 2016 6:01 AM

This one's from the Shoal Creek Conservancy website; don't think it's been posted here before (apologies for the size, but this forum doesn't seem to support size attributes on IMG tags, and the image isn't isn't CC-licensed, so I can't resize it myself):


lzppjb Feb 17, 2016 6:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndic (Post 7146582)
It's pretty bad. There's almost no street interaction at all. It makes me sad to see downtown Austin dying a slow death one sterile behemoth of an office building at a time. What reason would anyone have to go to this place during the weekend or off-peak hours? None. Too many of these and you have a ghost town like downtown Dallas or Houston.

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Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 7146591)
Floodplain issues. It's unavoidable. Also, retail ground level this project has.

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Originally Posted by Syndic (Post 7146597)
Sorry, I just randomly navigated back here and saw your comment. And I would go with no. Stairs and railings and shit have no place in a downtown environment (unless it's like a government building or something).

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Originally Posted by ChrisBBradford (Post 7146909)
As someone else pointed out, it's a floodplain issue. The ground floor has to be elevated above the flood plain. The Memorial Day flood shows why it's necessary.

All of the buildings along Shoal Creek are like this for just that reason - Monarch, Austin City Lofts, the forthcoming 5th & West. It's not because the developers think that stairs and railings are swell things.

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Originally Posted by Syndic (Post 7337997)
Well, they're already shitting on the urban fabric of downtown Austin by putting in steps and a railing, ruining any chance of any street interaction, so I can't say I'm surprised.

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Originally Posted by paul78701 (Post 7338213)
Because the building has to deal with the flood plain. Which is certainly not the developer's fault.

lol

drummer Feb 17, 2016 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by claustrum (Post 7338281)
This one's from the Shoal Creek Conservancy website; don't think it's been posted here before (apologies for the size, but this forum doesn't seem to support size attributes on IMG tags, and the image isn't isn't CC-licensed, so I can't resize it myself)

I appreciate the larger size - gives a better perspective on the wave effect. I actually like that a lot.

Edit: Looking at it more, it reminds me of some MC Escher stuff...makes you wonder if your eyesight is messing up, but in a cool way. He drew some things as if they were reflections in a mirrored sphere.

Novacek Feb 17, 2016 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 7338246)
How involved is Austin in the craft beer industry?

Very

http://www.winemag.com/listicle/grea...n-beer-cities/
http://www.greatamericanbeerfestival...ition/winners/
http://www.craftbeeraustin.com/


However, many (though not all) of the breweries (as compared to brewpubs) in Austin are in the more industrial areas of town.

KevinFromTexas Feb 17, 2016 6:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claustrum (Post 7338281)
This one's from the Shoal Creek Conservancy website; don't think it's been posted here before (apologies for the size, but this forum doesn't seem to support size attributes on IMG tags, and the image isn't isn't CC-licensed, so I can't resize it myself):

http://www.shoalcreekconservancy.org...ck-NW-VIEW.jpg

I dusted off my shrink ray for the rendering.

http://i.imgur.com/vZuwjB1.jpg

_Matt Feb 17, 2016 9:33 PM

The street interaction is 10x better than Whole Foods next door. It's really amazing that even with such a large block to work with, they managed to mangle it so badly and put a damper on walking in the area (anybody who has walked in the area will know what I'm talking about). They basically dropped a suburban design on a large downtown lot with little thought to making it pedestrian friendly. Sure, it's a popular destination and you see many people there, but a lot of them are driving, contributing to traffic in the area. It would never pass muster today.

East Side: A long flat wall, with 5 lanes of vehicle entrance/exit. Poor designed sight lines. Have to walk in the lane, through parking garage traffic to enter from this side.
North Side: A friendly looking, but void-of-purpose corner plaza. Two more lanes of vehicle egress (difficult visibility). At least there is a proper walk-up entrance here, but they missed a possibility for pedestrian interaction as it is mostly a wall since the eating area is raised up.
West Side: Disconnected from the building, just a parking lot, more entrances/exits to dodge. This would never be allowed with current urban design practice. Doesn't even have shade down the block. Not a great streets sidewalk.
South Side: Big blank wall, about half of the block has some minor shade, none otherwise, barely hidden loading facilities, more entrances/exits. Peds required to cut through main parking lot entrance to get to store.

nixcity Feb 17, 2016 10:35 PM

^There was quite a political battle that went into that, but yes, you are right, it has no place downtown....


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