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AustinYIMBY Jun 19, 2022 3:12 AM

From today on my phone. Standing at the gate to 80 Red River, right next to Van Zandt.

https://i.imgur.com/LHSdTiC.jpg

deerhoof Jun 21, 2022 9:35 PM

https://twitter.com/WalkableAustin/s...bZ2ou-l468iYCA

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVzUaRbW...pg&name=medium

https://i.imgur.com/sN9GfOY.jpg

myBrain Jun 21, 2022 11:18 PM

Love that second rendering. This tower is sleek and will have an awesome profile rising out of the river.

I wonder where he got these? There have got to be more. This is the rendering quality to be expected of a KPF project

bobbywest87 Jun 22, 2022 12:31 AM

Looks like Willow Street is no more:

https://i.ibb.co/jTh61H7/compare1.jpg

We vs us Jun 22, 2022 3:58 PM

Those renderings are beautifully done, but man, that tower is whack. It sets off all my OCD muscles. But whatever happens, it'll be one of the most memorable and iconic towers in North America. I can't think of any other buildings this size that are this weird.

AusTex Jun 22, 2022 4:02 PM

Both those fine renderings really show for the first time the continuous taper of the building all the way through the crown. It looks very sleek. I hope to see more of these quality renderings in the near future.

bobbywest87 Jun 22, 2022 7:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by We vs us (Post 9656375)
Those renderings are beautifully done, but man, that tower is whack. It sets off all my OCD muscles. But whatever happens, it'll be one of the most memorable and iconic towers in North America. I can't think of any other buildings this size that are this weird.

I know the idea is to have an open-air garden half way up, but I dislike how the tower takes a jump back for the top layer as opposed to just following the contour of the level beneath it.

Nickelplate Jun 22, 2022 9:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbywest87 (Post 9656611)
I know the idea is to have an open-air garden half way up, but I dislike how the tower takes a jump back for the top layer as opposed to just following the contour of the level beneath it.

Bobby I was thinking this exact thought before I arrived down to your comment. It would be more attractive with a continuous taper from top to bottom without any setbacks. Although I also believe the quality of materials and attention to detail this design may have will provide a more pleasing real life building than rendering.

zx14 Jun 23, 2022 1:09 AM

I cant wait to see this under construction. It will be amazing to see Austin have a building on the Supertall forum page along side NYC and others. Also if the Texas Republicans get their way it will be the tallest building in the country :cheers: JK LOL

jkconno Jun 23, 2022 3:13 PM

Looks like rebar is on site :cheers:

https://i.ibb.co/ncy0bDW/image.png

drummer Jun 23, 2022 4:46 PM

Video Link


Can anyone help me understand why a youtube link isn't working?

jbjjbjbb Jun 23, 2022 5:20 PM

Use this: [YOUTUBE]L4kS6S053b4[/YOUTUBE]
Instead of this: [YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/L4kS6S053b4[/YOUTUBE]

More details here

Quote:

Originally Posted by drummer (Post 9657521)
Video Link


Can anyone help me understand why a youtube link isn't working?


drummer Jun 23, 2022 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbjjbjbb (Post 9657605)
Use this: [YOUTUBE]L4kS6S053b4[/YOUTUBE]
Instead of this: [YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/L4kS6S053b4[/YOUTUBE]

More details here

Awesome, thanks!

And this is one of my favorite clips from a show. Stinkin' hilarious.

The ATX Jun 23, 2022 8:38 PM

A couple updates:

https://i.imgur.com/aADVllf.png
https://twitter.com/TheATX1/status/1539746435788423176


https://i.imgur.com/TOy0AwL.png
https://twitter.com/TheATX1/status/1540069824310792194

bobbywest87 Jun 24, 2022 2:25 AM

This probably isn’t the right place to ask this, but if there were to be an economic downturn like everyone is predicting, would that stall or cancel this tower (and others) indefinitely? Just curious, as I don’t know how these types of industries are impacted.

paul78701 Jun 24, 2022 2:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbywest87 (Post 9658251)
This probably isn’t the right place to ask this, but if there were to be an economic downturn like everyone is predicting, would that stall or cancel this tower (and others) indefinitely? Just curious, as I don’t know how these types of industries are impacted.

If we go into a recession, it seems to me that it will be a self fulfilling prophecy. All of the talking heads seem to be doing a ridiculous amount of hand wringing and talking us into one. So now some of the worry warts that control purse strings are preparing for a recession even though there is not yet evidence that we are going into a recession. But by preparing for a recession, they may cause a recession. I know inflation is high, but the economy is still doing well. So, IMHO, it's mind numbing negative nancy-ism run amuck.

At any rate, I'm no expert, but I imagine most of these towers have already secured enough funding to get these buildings done. This isn't like the old Intel building which, if I'm not mistaken, Intel was funding itself and could just cut it off at a whim.

bobbywest87 Jun 24, 2022 3:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul78701 (Post 9658288)
If we go into a recession, it seems to me that it will be a self fulfilling prophecy. All of the talking heads seem to be doing a ridiculous amount of hand wringing and talking us into one. So now some of the worry warts that control purse strings are preparing for a recession even though there is not yet evidence that we are going into a recession. But by preparing for a recession, they may cause a recession. I know inflation is high, but the economy is still doing well. So, IMHO, it's mind numbing negative nancy-ism run amuck.

At any rate, I'm no expert, but I imagine most of these towers have already secured enough funding to get these buildings done. This isn't like the old Intel building which, if I'm not mistaken, Intel was funding itself and could just cut it off at a whim.


Thank you for explaining it to me. My knowledge of how the economy works is limited at best. I should be worried about things other than whether some towers in Austin are going get built or not, but I just don’t want to see all these buildings get shelves and turned back into parking lots in a few years.

the Genral Jun 24, 2022 5:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbywest87 (Post 9658308)
Thank you for explaining it to me. My knowledge of how the economy works is limited at best. I should be worried about things other than whether some towers in Austin are going get built or not, but I just don’t want to see all these buildings get shelves and turned back into parking lots in a few years.

Just to be clear, here is a list of legitimate things to worry about in order of importance:
Tower's getting built in Austin, oxygen, water, food, shelter, money in the bank, and peace on Earth.

lonewolf Jun 24, 2022 1:27 PM

Austin has benefitted from every recession/downturn going on almost three decades. Our economy is the least riskiest bet in the country. Money will seek a safe haven, companies will look to lower costs with minimal compromise on talent, that's Austin. We saw a boom from covid, we saw a boom from the subprime mortgage loan crisis. If we enter a recession (more likely than not imo) people and companies will seek to move here.

That said there is a small chance any project could get cancelled, but nothing that has gone vertical will get cancelled (builders know this and i suspect we have already seen some projects hitting gas faster than they otherwise would)

StoOgE Jun 24, 2022 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul78701 (Post 9658288)
If we go into a recession, it seems to me that it will be a self fulfilling prophecy. All of the talking heads seem to be doing a ridiculous amount of hand wringing and talking us into one. So now some of the worry warts that control purse strings are preparing for a recession even though there is not yet evidence that we are going into a recession. But by preparing for a recession, they may cause a recession. I know inflation is high, but the economy is still doing well. So, IMHO, it's mind numbing negative nancy-ism run amuck.

At any rate, I'm no expert, but I imagine most of these towers have already secured enough funding to get these buildings done. This isn't like the old Intel building which, if I'm not mistaken, Intel was funding itself and could just cut it off at a whim.

I mean - there are real economic forces that are harming the economy. The global supply chain is still a wreck, ocean freight costs are still astronomical, raw material shortages are extremely real, inflation is the highest its been in 40 years and the labor market is completely wrecked.

The fed is currently fighting 8% inflation and a labor market where non-college education workers are seeing a 14% annual increase in wages and trying to figure out how to curb inflation without bringing the economy to a screeching halt.

Now, the particulars of the Austin housing market is that it is absolutely red hot. i also imagine many of these towers already have financing but I also assume they are all looking at increased construction costs. Nationwide I assume we will see a slowdown in non public works construction but that does not mean that every single market will see a slowdown. Austin has real needs for apartments and condos. Hotel and office construction may slow down but its too early to say.

Its also not clear how long this particular recession (if it happens) will last. The 08 recession was an outlier. Most recessions are relatively short lived (11 months is average). I suspect a lot of the Summer/Fall starts on these towers will largely still rise but I suspect a few of the projects we think are about to break ground will fall through and projects in the earlier stages may be paused.


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