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Riverranchdrone Feb 5, 2021 2:40 AM

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...1f&oe=6040A30F

ahealy Feb 5, 2021 3:00 PM

Great emerging skyline views! This is a bit dramatic, but I can't help but compare Domain to downtown Century City....of course a much younger version, but I wonder what Domain will look like in 10 years. As I've said in the past, we'll certainly have 400'+ tower(s) down the line.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...7Qhp5j21sQoFW0

clubtokyo Feb 5, 2021 4:27 PM

I had never even heard of century city, thanks for sharing. I could see the comparison in the future of the domain.

ahealy Feb 5, 2021 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clubtokyo (Post 9181703)
I had never even heard of century city, thanks for sharing. I could see the comparison in the future of the domain.

Of course! Just seeing that aerial of Domain, I immediately thought of CC. It's a really neat part of LA that I enjoy visiting--not the most exciting place tho.

I suppose after Broadmoor, Metric would be the logical next step for high rise development?

drummer Feb 5, 2021 7:11 PM

I'm not sure what the plan is or could be, but I've always thought of a box with Gracy Farms on the north, Metric on the east, Mopac on the west, and 183 on the south. Anything in that box could/should be developed for increased height and density.

Additionally, the Arboretum area and everything south of Braker down to the point at 183/Mopac's NW corner (while leaving a lot of the green at Braker/Stonelake, if possible) could be redeveloped or improved.

The Burnet/Metric area from Gracy Farms down to 183 makes the most sense if there were to be focus on one area of course. J.J. Pickle will go at its own pace, of course.

Mopacs Feb 5, 2021 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahealy (Post 9181627)
Great emerging skyline views! This is a bit dramatic, but I can't help but compare Domain to downtown Century City....of course a much younger version, but I wonder what Domain will look like in 10 years. As I've said in the past, we'll certainly have 400'+ tower(s) down the line.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...7Qhp5j21sQoFW0

Nakatomi Plaza at the Domain!

https://i.imgur.com/ZA6nLII.jpg

https://variety.com/2020/dirt/filmin...rd-1234874301/

Mopacs Feb 5, 2021 7:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clubtokyo (Post 9181703)
I had never even heard of century city, thanks for sharing. I could see the comparison in the future of the domain.

For reference - Century City on the Westide of LA. A few 400-500 footers among it - Maybe one day!

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...y-jpg-20150610

https://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-...925-story.html (sans the earthquakes)

gillynova Feb 5, 2021 9:05 PM

Thanks for pointing out the comparison, ahealy.

I was in LA last year and Century City DRASTICALLY CHANGED over the past couple of years. LOTS of high rises in this area and it would be AMAZING if the Domain can transform into something like this

ahealy Feb 6, 2021 2:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gillynova (Post 9182011)
Thanks for pointing out the comparison, ahealy.

I was in LA last year and Century City DRASTICALLY CHANGED over the past couple of years. LOTS of high rises in this area and it would be AMAZING if the Domain can transform into something like this

Yesss! I really think it will someday!

Mopacs, I would l kill for a Nakatomi style tower there down the road.

Not sure if my post was deleted or if I forgot to hit post afterpreview but...
I think Domain will at least resemble Houston's medical center by 2029. What's funny is that with Q2 stadium, Domain resembles the average American downtown blueprint perfectly.

https://chotnsf.org/wp-content/uploa...10/Capture.png

H2O Feb 6, 2021 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by drummer (Post 9181885)
I'm not sure what the plan is or could be, but I've always thought of a box with Gracy Farms on the north, Metric on the east, Mopac on the west, and 183 on the south. Anything in that box could/should be developed for increased height and density.

Additionally, the Arboretum area and everything south of Braker down to the point at 183/Mopac's NW corner (while leaving a lot of the green at Braker/Stonelake, if possible) could be redeveloped or improved.

The Burnet/Metric area from Gracy Farms down to 183 makes the most sense if there were to be focus on one area of course. J.J. Pickle will go at its own pace, of course.

The Gateway part of the North / Burnet Gateway Master Plan http://www.austintexas.gov/page/north-burnetgateway west of MOPAC is slated for denser mixed use development similar to the Domain. It is currently limited to 180 feet (with development bonus), although that could change, as it has for Broadmoor and Domain Southside. The undeveloped, wooded area is owned by UT, and is known as Pickle West Campus. It will be developed eventually.

The areas east of the tracks to Metric and south of Longhorn are currently reserved for more industrial uses, but that will obviously change close to Q2 Stadium.

I think the most immediate change in zoning of the plan will be to upgrade the CMU areas near the stadium to CMU Gateway (a TOD term not to be confused with 'the Gateway' west of MOPAC), which allows heights up to 360' with development bonus. This would be totally justified with the relocation of the Kramer rail station to McKalla (next to Q2 stadium).

GoldenBoot Feb 6, 2021 6:19 PM

Don't forget...not too far away is Robinson Ranch - which, if my memory serves me correctly, has areas which already are (or will be) zoned for dense urban development similar to Austin's CBD. Due to the lack of immediate SFRs, I can see some tall buildings eventually going up here. There will be less of a neighborhood pushback here than that of the area surrounding the Domain.

drummer Feb 7, 2021 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O (Post 9182601)
The Gateway part of the North / Burnet Gateway Master Plan http://www.austintexas.gov/page/north-burnetgateway west of MOPAC is slated for denser mixed use development similar to the Domain. It is currently limited to 180 feet (with development bonus), although that could change, as it has for Broadmoor and Domain Southside. The undeveloped, wooded area is owned by UT, and is known as Pickle West Campus. It will be developed eventually.

The areas east of the tracks to Metric and south of Longhorn are currently reserved for more industrial uses, but that will obviously change close to Q2 Stadium.

I think the most immediate change in zoning of the plan will be to upgrade the CMU areas near the stadium to CMU Gateway (a TOD term not to be confused with 'the Gateway' west of MOPAC), which allows heights up to 360' with development bonus. This would be totally justified with the relocation of the Kramer rail station to McKalla (next to Q2 stadium).

Nice, thanks for the extra info.

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot (Post 9182750)
Don't forget...not too far away is Robinson Ranch - which, if my memory serves me correctly, has areas which already are (or will be) zoned for dense urban development similar to Austin's CBD. Due to the lack of immediate SFRs, I can see some tall buildings eventually going up here. There will be less of a neighborhood pushback here than that of the area surrounding the Domain.

Very true!

Mopacs Feb 7, 2021 6:23 PM

Shots taken 2/6/2021

https://i.imgur.com/KVtsWJV.png

https://i.imgur.com/hbhZHuL.png

https://i.imgur.com/YDvXnxc.png

https://i.imgur.com/zn1omCP.png

Southbound on Burnet Rd

https://i.imgur.com/TdpEFmS.png

From Mopac and 183

https://i.imgur.com/bOYrflg.png

From northbound 183 near Ohlen

https://i.imgur.com/Vi2uaWB.png

https://i.imgur.com/EAQkxzy.png

Mopacs Feb 7, 2021 6:24 PM

Also spotted from Elgin, ~20 miles away.

https://i.imgur.com/yANtNKv.png

https://i.imgur.com/rQb4alu.png

KevinFromTexas Feb 7, 2021 11:03 PM

Wow! That's awesome seeing them from that far out. I've noticed the Domain Tower II and The Bowen this past week from I-35 about a half mile south of Riverside. It's just a brief view, but it's there.

ahealy Feb 8, 2021 3:03 AM

Yeeees! Bring on Domain City skyline lol

drummer Feb 8, 2021 2:48 PM

How much higher does this one have to go?

mtb_jeremy Feb 8, 2021 3:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mopacs (Post 9183747)
Shots taken 2/6/2021

https://i.imgur.com/hbhZHuL.png

This shot is really interesting because in the bottom left of the shot they built a new bridge over the drainage retention area, to build out the street grid. This is a new connection from Burnet straight to the front of both new buildings.

Novacek Feb 8, 2021 3:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenBoot (Post 9182750)
Don't forget...not too far away is Robinson Ranch - which, if my memory serves me correctly, has areas which already are (or will be) zoned for dense urban development similar to Austin's CBD. Due to the lack of immediate SFRs, I can see some tall buildings eventually going up here. There will be less of a neighborhood pushback here than that of the area surrounding the Domain.

This got me curious about any zoning limitations of RR. I found the actual PUD agreement here.

http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=82936

The areas that aren't already set as protected space will have a "major land use category" of either MXD or TOD (mixed use or transit oriented development). The distinction being that TOD has to be within 2000 feet of a "major transit station".

Within that major use, there's a variety of "specific land use categories" under that. The ones most interesting to this discussion are Mixed Use Commercial 1 and 2 (CO-ROB1 and CO-ROB2). The former being the TOD version.

Neither has a height limit (though there are some compatibility restrictions). CO-ROB2 has a FAR limit of 6:1 and the TOD version has a FAR limit of 12:1. That seems to be the absolute limit though, I don't see a version of downtown or UNO's development bonuses.

We vs us Feb 8, 2021 4:05 PM

All of these great shots point out how important a 300 footer is to the emergence of a Domain skyline. For whatever reason, that's the height that finally establishes it from a distance. Not to take away from the progress that's been in that area, but from afar the skyline looks like a bit of a muddle. Not a new downtown, but more like a corporate campus in the distance. And I'm willing to admit that might be my personal biases . . . But I honestly can't wait to get more of these, and maybe one that's a little more distinctive than a box.

I've really started to despair of seeing Robinson Ranch developed significantly within the next decade or so -- maybe even within my lifetime. Everything we've seen so far shows them doing what they've always done, which is release small chunks of the acreage for ad hoc development, but not really any moves towards mapping out how the entirety of the property should work. I assume/hope that's being done behind the scenes, but the magnitude of developing something that size is really mind blowing. I mean . . . I'm watching the Apple Campus rise out my back door, and when all is said and done, that small fraction of RR will have taken something like 5 years to complete, from start to finish. I can't imagine building out the rest of the 8000 acres (or whatever it is). Just the utility work will be a generational project.


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