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Handro Dec 30, 2019 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 8787008)

Oh cool, thanks! I was looking for that one too. But the other site I'm trying to find is actual street views.

rgarri4 Dec 30, 2019 6:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gandalf612 (Post 8786485)
Made this one its own post since y'all usually want the Adler view larger. Full is linked to my Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ed1bad3c_k.jpgDecember 25, 2019 by Tomasz Wojtasik, on Flickr

https://images2.imgbox.com/e2/06/kcweipX9_o.jpg

Steely Dan Dec 30, 2019 8:21 PM

^ 1000M will be one of the most significant gap-fillers in the entire history of our fair city's spectacular skyline.

IrishIllini Dec 30, 2019 8:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Handro (Post 8787047)
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Oh cool, thanks! I was looking for that one too. But the other site I'm trying to find is actual street views.

You can view “historical” street views on Google, but I think the furthest back you can go is 2007.

VivaLFuego Jan 2, 2020 5:37 PM

For those into the statistical look at winter (and trying to feel better about being in Chicago for it, sometimes), the Midwest Regional Climate Center does a cool "Accumulated Winter Season Severity Index" by city that updates every day and allows all sorts of historical comparisons. We had a pretty lousy mid-November which got us off to an "Extreme" start, but mildness since then has us now in an "Average" winter and if current forecasts hold, we'll soon be in "Moderate" winter territory in the coming week or so.

https://mrcc.illinois.edu/research/awssi/indexAwssi.jsp

I'd summarize as: Chicago's typical winters are ok and roughly in line with other big cities at/near the same latitude, but we have a long tail in the extremely awful direction (e.g. winters of 1978-79, 2013-14) which stand out in people's memory and impressions. As with many things in life, the 90th and 95th percentile cases are important for human perception and decision-making even if not for day to day life, and our 95th percentile for winter awfulness is pretty bad even if our 50th percentile is fine.

Steely Dan Jan 3, 2020 4:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 8789153)
Before 2009 there were 10 800+ footers completed and 13 700+. When WPS breaks ground it will double it up to the 20th 800+ built and u/c and 29 for 700+. Almost hard to believe!

yeah, the greater number of taller towers is really the most exciting part of this building boom, IMO.

as you can see on the chart below, there have been bigger booms for buildings over 150m in chicago, but it's the upper end height that's really making this one stand out.


https://i.postimg.cc/v81Gkqjb/graph2.png
source: chart made by me based on CTBUH data

Baronvonellis Jan 3, 2020 5:14 PM

I saw this really cool documentary called The World's Greatest Fair on Amazon Prime. It's about the 1904 St. Louis Worlds Fair, but I imagine it would be similar to the 1893 Chicago Fair, as they said St. Louis tried to one up Chicago, and this one was bigger. I haven't seen an in depth documentary about the 1893 fair that I know of.
They discussed the Chicago fair quite a bit, and show the history of the Ferris Wheel. St. Louis bought the 1893 Chicago wheel, and then dynamited it at end lol. It's a shame that no city wanted the wheel and they just sold it for scrap.

maru2501 Jan 3, 2020 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 8787185)
^ 1000M will be one of the most significant gap-fillers in the entire history of our fair city's spectacular skyline.

Truly. Especially considering how much Essex stood out. Glad to see the framing of grant park continue so hard

Ricochet48 Jan 3, 2020 6:50 PM

Wow thanks so much for that rendering. One can dream!

I cycle a lot to the planetarium and that view would be even better!

HomrQT Jan 3, 2020 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 8789637)
yeah, the greater number of taller towers is really the most exciting part of this building boom, IMO.

as you can see on the chart below, there have been bigger booms for buildings over 150m in chicago, but it's the upper end height that's really making this one stand out.


https://i.postimg.cc/v81Gkqjb/graph2.png
source: chart made by me based on CTBUH data

I know you don't normally include NYC in your numbers because they have been at such an outrageous pace for such a long time, but it would still be interesting to see them in this format... :D

Steely Dan Jan 3, 2020 10:36 PM

^ here are the charts for the northeast and midwest, for comparisons:

https://i.postimg.cc/qRFNqpv7/graph3.png
source: chart made by me based on CTBUH data

https://i.postimg.cc/v81Gkqjb/graph2.png
source: chart made by me based on CTBUH data



chicago has been really solid over the past 2 decades, but NYC has gone absolutely apeshit.

rivernorthlurker Jan 4, 2020 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 8789996)
^ here are the charts for the northeast and midwest, for comparisons:


chicago has been really solid over the past 2 decades, but NYC has gone absolutely apeshit.

As has the entire world. via: https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/year-in-review/2019

https://i.imgur.com/8JqWydW.png

rivernorthlurker Jan 4, 2020 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 8789637)
yeah, the greater number of taller towers is really the most exciting part of this building boom, IMO.

as you can see on the chart below, there have been bigger booms for buildings over 150m in chicago, but it's the upper end height that's really making this one stand out.


https://i.postimg.cc/v81Gkqjb/graph2.png
source: chart made by me based on CTBUH data

Great chart! :tup: I was wondering where to get some raw data for skyscrapers for free. Does CTBUH have it in csv or comparable format?

Also what software/language/library did you use to make that chart?

rivernorthlurker Jan 4, 2020 12:32 AM

Ok triple post...

Additionally 1000M puts Chicago ahead of HK in the 250m+ category 17 to 16 which I found surprising/amazing. Chicago has done a lot of catching up in that height class the last decade. And given the situation in HK doesn't seem like they will be making a run anytime soon.

WPS will make it 18 if they use the 835 ft measurement. Legacy and 110 Wacker are also like < 2 m short of this mark.

via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_inclusive)

https://i.imgur.com/vNm7X1P.png

marothisu Jan 4, 2020 1:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 8790096)
Ok triple post...

Additionally 1000M puts Chicago ahead of HK in the 250m+ category 17 to 16 which I found surprising/amazing. Chicago has done a lot of catching up in that height class the last decade. And given the situation in HK doesn't seem like they will be making a run anytime soon.

Hong Kong is probably the biggest "reality isn't what the media portrays it as" city I've ever been to in the world. Hong Kong has the most high rises in the world of any city, but when you're talking about really, really tall buildings, it doesn't do even close to as well as most people think. They have a ton of buildings between the 150M and 200M mark - basically let's say the 48 story to
65 story range. Also, HK is mountainous so it makes it feel like there are sometimes taller buildings on some areas than reality.

Steely Dan Jan 4, 2020 2:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 8790085)

Also what software/language/library did you use to make that chart?

Nothing fancy, just plotted the data out the old-fashioned way in AutoCAD.

It's a fine way to kill a lunch hour.

HomrQT Jan 4, 2020 2:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 8789996)
chicago has been really solid over the past 2 decades, but NYC has gone absolutely apeshit.

Freaking insane. According to your data, 2009 was a heck of a year for Chicago, paired with 2010 made a good run.

Tom In Chicago Jan 5, 2020 6:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 8790157)
Nothing fancy, just plotted the data out the old-fashioned way in AutoCAD.

It's a fine way to kill a lunch hour.

Great work as usual Dan. . . thanks for posting. . . wondering if it would be too hard to look at "the rest of the US" in this context. . . hmmm. . . :???:

. . .

BrinChi Jan 9, 2020 7:08 PM

Where are Illinoisans moving to?

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/opin...is-hello-where

https://s3-prod.chicagobusiness.com/...2/s3/ilnew.jpg

The adjusted gross income of Illinois taxpayers who didn’t migrate averaged $78,959. Illinois has been losing high-income residents (a lot of them retirees, one imagines) to Florida, middle-income residents to the South and West, and those with lower incomes to neighboring states. Also, the top two destinations for Illinois migrants are the top two for the nation as a whole, with Florida first, Texas second.

Domestic migration statistics are frequently cited as evidence of the failures of blue-state governance, in particular the higher taxes imposed by states that are losing lots of residents. There’s something to that—income-tax-free Florida sure is attracting a lot of affluent people from Illinois and New York, and a recent study of high-income California taxpayers concluded that a 2012 income tax increase there did in fact drive some away. But California, Illinois and New York have all experienced bigger per capita personal income gains than the nation as a whole since the beginning of 2010, and all saw taxpayers with incomes below $50,000 overrepresented among the leavers from 2011 through 2018. These departures may indicate failures of governance as well, but it’s a different set of governance failures, presumably related more to housing costs, commutes and job opportunities than taxes per se.

There also isn’t much evidence in the IRS data—yet—of an exodus of high-income taxpayers hit by the state-and-local-tax-deduction limits imposed by the 2017 tax bill. That is, the number of taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes of $200,000 or more leaving for other states actually fell in high-tax California, Connecticut, Illinois, New Jersey and New York from 2017 to 2018, the year the cap went into effect. Those who ended up with higher tax bills due to the change generally didn’t find out exactly how much higher until 2019, though, so it may just be too early to tell.

Handro Jan 10, 2020 8:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BrinChi (Post 8794996)
Where are Illinoisans moving to?

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/opin...is-hello-where

https://s3-prod.chicagobusiness.com/...2/s3/ilnew.jpg

The adjusted gross income of Illinois taxpayers who didn’t migrate averaged $78,959. Illinois has been losing high-income residents (a lot of them retirees, one imagines) to Florida, middle-income residents to the South and West, and those with lower incomes to neighboring states. Also, the top two destinations for Illinois migrants are the top two for the nation as a whole, with Florida first, Texas second.

Domestic migration statistics are frequently cited as evidence of the failures of blue-state governance, in particular the higher taxes imposed by states that are losing lots of residents. There’s something to that—income-tax-free Florida sure is attracting a lot of affluent people from Illinois and New York, and a recent study of high-income California taxpayers concluded that a 2012 income tax increase there did in fact drive some away. But California, Illinois and New York have all experienced bigger per capita personal income gains than the nation as a whole since the beginning of 2010, and all saw taxpayers with incomes below $50,000 overrepresented among the leavers from 2011 through 2018. These departures may indicate failures ofgovernance as well, but it’s a different set of governance failures, presumably related more to housing costs, commutes and job opportunities than taxes per se.

There also isn’t much evidence in the IRS data—yet—of an exodus of high-income taxpayers hit by the state-and-local-tax-deduction limits imposed by the 2017 tax bill. That is, the number of taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes of $200,000 or more leaving for other states actually fell in high-tax California, Connecticut, Illinois, New Jersey and New York from 2017 to 2018, the year the cap went into effect. Those who ended up with higher tax bills due to the change generally didn’t find out exactly how much higher until 2019, though, so it may just be too early to tell.

Old people moving south upon retirement. In other news...


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