Looks like a giant grain silo in white like that.

That casino tower needs to be 1600ft plus. A real signature tower. As it stands the best views would be blocked even on the upper floors.

Ah shoot i should probably start working on my version

The tunnel "box" beneath a portion of the site is being constructed now. It will run beneath the office tower. Another look at what's being done in regards to that and the platform...



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33rd Street, as it slopes down towards the river and the High Line. The plan is to level it.



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This is where the school/office tower will rise.



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Yea, I'm hoping and assuming these renderings are nothing final / just concepts.

Even the 1360+ envelope would be good, but I don't see that here.




Designs are top notch though and if 175 and 350 Park get built (+ whatever other giants in Midtown + 2WTC) it will more than make up for it.

Quantity of supertalls is also impressive, as is height.

So, if they don't get the casino bid, will the tallest tower be shortened because they won't need the large base?

No, the whole Casino needs to go somewhere else. Gambling is a disease and should not be encouraged or rewarded.

Related and Amtrak should also double track the Empire Tunnel as part of this project as well.

Certainly given the 12 billion dollars they want to spend. According to Related's statements, we should have expected a spectacular tower that we don't see in these renderings. Furthermore the office tower is very disappointing. Let's hope for some changes...

if they dont get the casino bid none of it will get built.

totally agree, but that morality ship has sailed. :shrug:

That's been discussed in other threads in the past. It's unclear from an engineering standpoint whether that's even possible. If someone has it in with some engineer high up at Amtrak or MTA please pass on the question. It does seem like an obvious need, especially so when future Hudson Line M-N trains will use the West Side Line to reach Penn as part of the second phase Penn Station Access.

If they don’t get the bid, they just revert back to the already approved site plan.



LOL, this reads as satire. But I’ll assume you are serious. One thing that pisses me off is when the morality police try to push their beliefs off on everyone. It’s fine to disagree with gambling and casinos. But the solution is simple. DON’T GO TO ONE. There are people who don’t like drinking, and don’t go into bars. And you know what? They’re happy they don’t. New York gets Billions in it’s budget from casinos, money largely put into its schools and other important needs of the public. It would be as foolish to outlaw casinos as it was to outlaw drinking a century ago.

"If they don’t get the bid, they just revert back to the already approved site plan."

I thought that I heard somewhere that they wanted to emphasize more office space on this second phase compared to residential, since the office portion of phase 1 was more successful.

They do. But that would be another approval. The approval this time is for the scenario laid out. The alternative is for the purposes of the study. IF they do not get the license, it just reverts to what it is now.

Meanwhile, the "box" for the new tunnel/rail entrance is under construction. This is on the site where the school (under any scenario) and the office tower would be located.



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And Wells Fargo begins the buildout of the former Neiman Marcus space it purchased.



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From my 3d model:

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Thanks! We may eventually get to see what's planned for the Affirmation Tower site, if Hochul remembers it's still there.

But these designs and renders are good.


An idea of what was planned before. What they refer to as 6 towers was really 8. It was planned that two of the sites would have towers sharing a podium.



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There are people who look at a pre-Hudson Yards west side with rose colored glasses. Some of them never got to see it.



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https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...-casino-zoning

Planning Commission approves new casino zoning


By Courtney Gross
Mar. 20, 2024

Can't complain too much, but I do think I prefer some of the earlier plans with smaller, but more towers. 3 giants like this just adds to Hudson Yards being one big plateau. I was fine with some smaller ones on the riverfront to blend in better

There will be smaller towers. Hudson Yards isn't built out yet. Also, Hochul has yet to issue an RFP for the former truck yards just across from the proposed casino.

What I would like to see are three smaller towers, descending in height, and less than the height of 55 Hudson. It remains to be seen which direction Hochul will go, but affordable housing seems to be one way.




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There was a short scoping meeting with City Planning today. Only a few people from the public spoke. Not really any new information given, but information we've seen in the draft scope.

The biggest piece of info is that SOM is the architect. The building heights are still as given, so we should eventually get some updated renderings.



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The "no action" condition is the reversion to the original site plan. Shown here is what is expected to be built by "2030", or the build year.

The housing would be phased in, so 3 of the sites would still be unbuilt in 2030.


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I still think the Marshalling Yard between 33rd and 34th Street and 11th and 12th Avenue should be decked over and turned into a High Line Lawn.

Full disagree. There will already be a large park in Hudson yards proper. It should be decked over and developed with apartments per the state’s plan. We are in a massive housing crisis this is what we need instead of spending a billion dollars for a deck only to top it off with a park that will more than likely be underutilized.

More than likely, Hochul will mandate some affordable housing there when the state issues an RFP for the site. They have to first resolve the issue with the other site (site K) where the Affirmation Tower was proposed. That was re-issued to mandate affordable housing, and this site, which is much larger, would do the same.

When you look at Related's older site plan for the railyards, you can see a potential 3 tower development on the site, though not controlled by Related.



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I hope they build these. Can't wait to see the view coming into NYC on NJtransit in a couple years. Hudson Yards already dominates the view from that angle, these towers will just make it better. BUILD IT!

https://www.casino.org/news/wynn-new...-of-6-billion/

Wynn’s Bold Bet: New York Casino Investment Set to Surpass $6B


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Todd Shriber

If we're going to count the "Park" in Hudson Yards (which I would not) then the City should own that park not Related Companies.

Why don’t you consider that a park? The city is dotted with with POPs throughout midtown this is just a much larger iteration. The point that I’m making is that since the marshaling yard has to be decked over building a park on that spot isn’t going to return on the investment and also doesn’t make much sense when we need housing. I’m also making the assumption that whatever is built there will have plazas surrounding the high line which I’ve factored into my thought process.

The "park" should be an ambitious northern expansion of Hudson River Park with a bridge across 9A connecting to the High Line not a squandering of the marshalling yard overdeck ($$$) when Bella Abzug is a block away. Win-win.

Massive Duh.

While we're on the topic of Javits, the conversation needs to be had that the redvelopment potential of that site could very well lead to a total reimagining in the next 20 years. I can see a new convention center on a podium with towers soaring above, but I can also see a scenario where a Sunnyside Yard convention center also gains steam, especially if transit connections are improved. Best case scenario in my book is BOTH. NYC is colossal and one convention center may be better suited for a certain type of event for a certain group of people and an equally large facility in LIC might be a better spot for another.

Either way, I predict proposals pitched regarding a Javits redevelopment to start within a decade. The land will just be too valuable to let a 1980s glass box sit there surrounded by billions of dollars in ultra dense commercial and residential development.

Yes, deck Javits with affordable housing above and maybe one or two office towers, and also develop a second convention center at Sunnyside, with affordable housing above it.

The state just spent a lot of money on the Javits Center Expansion. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. As a matter of fact, I can send another expansion in about 10 years.

Twenty years is a good definition of "not anytime soon". But I still predict talk will start regarding its future and I fully expect 20 years from now we will see efforts to build a satellite convention center at Sunnyside and/or a major redevelopment attempt that takes advantage of all the opportunities above Javits. I envision a convention center of its current size in a floating podium about 30' above street level with a reconnected grid to 9A running below. It would share a lot of characteristics with the PABT plan with towers above aligned with the street grid.

I think Javits will be in Sunnyside within 15-20 years. The renovation was massively downsized and that land is far too valuable for a few annual conventions, which can be held anywhere. And a lot of the renovation was simple maintenance stuff like repairing the roof.

I'd guess the site would most likely end up as a defacto Hudson Yards Phase III. Big waterfront parcel adjacent to the previous phases. Related Companies is most likely to win the site.

They have to get serious about Sunnyside. And when they do, they will take decades going back and forth over just what to do with it. That is, unless someone comes along and takes charge. A Robert Moses if you will. Meanwhile, the state doesn't want to take the convention center out of Manhattan because being in Manhattan is a huge draw. It's removed from much of what makes Manhattan an attractive place to visit, but it would be further removed placed in the middle of Sunnyside. I remember the proposal to build a completely new convention center at Aqueduct, that would have been paid for by Resorts World. But only if they got exclusive rights to the city's first casino. Any talk of a major convention center is removed from Resorts World's proposal for a casino license there now. All of the proposals feature some type of meeting space. Perhaps if there were some major landfill added along the shoreline, I could see a convention center being built there.

While we're on Sunnyside, what that needs to be is sort of like some of these new economic centers we have seen pop up in places like lagos or singapore. Throw up the development platforms, pave the streets and provide some needed park space to the tune of cadman plaza. Don't be pretentious about it either. Deliver the needs.

Money should not always be the prime consideration.

And Abzug Park is too dissected by roads to be a real park anyway.

Was looking forward to Related's full reveal. But who knows when that will happen with the slow moving state approvals process. Too many moving parts at one time.

Somehow, they didn't understand all of this when creating the various levels of hoops the bidders would have to jump through to get a license.



https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...025-state-says

New York City casino bids won't be due until 2025, state reveals


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NICK GARBER
March 25, 2024

It's nothing that can be done on anyone's end right now, it's the age difference. Money isn't everything, but it isn't nothing either. A solid bed of finances isn't a bad thing, it's what you put it to use in that makes the difference. That being said, what Abzug Park needs is to be elevated in its own right above street level and that stupid holdout situation with the Manhattan Aquariums rowhouse. An argument could be made to deck over the other exposed portions of railroad even up into Hell’s Kitchen and let development naturally burn its way through.

^ Most of the exposed rail cut is already built over north of 41 St and will eventually be totally covered. The plan for Abzug Park is to cover over the other two open sections from 37 to 39 St's and as far as I know create an elevated bridge sort of thing across the Lincoln Tunnel plaza to 40 St, though I don't see that depicted in the PABT planning docs but that doesn't really mean anything.

There are people who think even one casino would be too much for New York to handle. Those people are morons.



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https://www.amny.com/news/high-line-...-casino-plans/

How one section of the High Line could throw serious wrinkle into Hudson Yards casino plans


By Barbara Russo
April 3, 2024

This doesnt even make any sense, the proposed open area is the same size as the previous proposal.

What does this even mean? It's likely he can't even explain it.

^ He can't. What he meant to say was "now the buildings are taller. Hudson Yards is supposed to be a lowrise district."

What a clown. The buildings were always going to be tall. Now they're taller, but there are fewer of them. Meanwhile, nobody is touching the High Line itself, same as before. Get that creep off the stage!

"rail yard preserve" lol, where do they find these people. Tell me how increased developed public space, increased green space, and increased access to the high line entrances is anything but a positive for the High Line.

And that section of the High Line is not even the section people love about the High Line. The proposed complex will do no more harm or change in scale than the eastern yard does.

These people are just stupid.


https://w42st.com/post/community-boa...e-casino-plan/

Community Board Challenges Hudson Yards Shift: From Residential Dream to Office-Casino Plan


by Dashiell Allen
March 4, 2024




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