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LMich Nov 4, 2009 10:37 AM

That's going to be one big-@ss park. We just got three moonscapes (GM is keeping hold of what would have been #4) here in Lansing that we're trying to figure out what to do with, though, it seems that the city and township leaders are under the impression that they'll actually be able to develop them.

I'm confused, though, are they turning the whole thing into a giant compost heap, or just part of it? Is there any map or masterplan of the potential layout of the park? This is an incredibly large area to work with, and you could concievably develop a host of different park amenities on it.

robk1982 Nov 4, 2009 12:50 PM

Yeah, the article wasn't very clear to me either. I'm guessing that the city will just start making one big compost pile, and as the actual "work" progresses, then it will spread out the newly formed dirt. They'll also use the new dirt to backfill demolitions.

There was a proposal put out a while back (2007 or 2008, I believe) that the Land Bank put out, detailing two plans for Chevy-In-The-Hole: either do a more extensive/costly clean up of the site and make it into a "urban" riverfront, or turn it into a park and let nature take it's course in cleaning the site up. The proposal actually called for it to be a State Park, but I don't think that's going to happen.

http://www.thelandbank.org/Landuseco...n_the_Hole.pdf


edit: After reading the proposal again, I realized the "urban" riverfront idea involved first creating a city park on the site, then developing it as needed.

robk1982 Dec 15, 2009 8:49 PM

Great Lakes Tech Center Auction
 
This kind of snuck up on me. The owners of the Great Lakes Technology Center (former GM factory-turned-office/mixed use facility) recently decided to split the property into 4 parcels and auction them off. Most of the Center has been empty for quite a while, so hopefully the new owners will be able to put their respective parcels to good use.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/inde..._great_la.html

Quote:

First parcel sells for $885,000 at Great Lakes Technology Centre auction
By Ron Fonger | Flint Journal
December 15, 2009, 11:42AM
FLINT -- The first parcel up for auction at the Great Lakes Technology Centre sold just minutes ago, fetching $885,000.

The identity of the online buyer was not immediately known. About two dozen people were at the auction with five others participating online, officials said.

The buyer had the option of choosing which of four parcels the complex has been divided into for sale. The winning bidder chose the east parcel of the center.

The east parcel includes underground parking and a steel atrium.

The second auction has just begun with bidding at $250,000.

The Great Lakes complex once housed thousands of General Motors white and blue collar workers but the company's last workers are leaving here by the end of the month. The complex has been divided into four parcels for today's auction.

An auction official told the small crowd here that someone was going to get bargains in today's sales.

"I think the actual structures ... I think we're going to sell them for a tiny fraction of what it would cost to reproduce them today," the official said.

Second parcel sells for $525,000

Third parcel of property sells for $350,000

Final parcel sells for $230,000

LMich Jan 11, 2010 11:16 AM

Just found this from last month:

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City of Flint loses its argument over Genesee Towers in Michigan Court of Appeals ruling

By Teri Banas
December 23, 2009, 11:15AM

FLINT, Michigan -- The Michigan Court of Appeals says the city of Flint must pay more than $6 million for the dilapidated downtown Genesee Towers.

The appellate court’s decision, filed Tuesday, essentially upholds an arbitrator’s decision that the property, vacated for years and long considered an eyesore, is valued at $6.02 million.

The finding in the long-standing legal dispute creates yet another drain on the city budget which is facing a $10 million-budget deficit. An audit detailing the deficit was presented to Council on Monday.

In 2008 the city was ordered to take possession of the towers and pay its owners -- Kumar and Sasikala Vemulapalli -- $1.5 million by Genesee Circuit Court Judge Geoffrey L. Neithercut. The city had condemned the property, considered the 19-story building dangerous and wanted to tear it down.

City attorney Pete Bade today said the city’s legal team will prepare a timely appeal of yesterday’s decision.

“We will seek leave to the Michigan Supreme Court and ask them to reverse the Court of Appeals because we think their decision is deeply flawed,” Bade said.

...
I can't believe the wild descrepency between the first ruling and this one. Really, how much do you guys think this is worth given the reality of the building? Closer to the lower ruling or the higher one?

uaarkson Jan 11, 2010 5:08 PM

Given the economy, the building is practically worthless. If there was any demand for office space in Flint (lol!) then it might be worth saving. I say leave it be for now, but it either needs to be renovated or torn down. It can't just sit there unoccupied for decades.

Rizzo Jan 11, 2010 6:43 PM

This is incredibly embarassing. The building has very little value at alll points. For one, no major tenant to fill it. Two, the fact that there is visible damage to the building. And three, the building is ugly. No company would want an image of being in a type of building like that. I'm confident that a new building on the site would actually attract tenants.

uaarkson Jan 11, 2010 8:37 PM

I like the geometry of the building, and if it were re-clad and/or a little taller it would look great. For all the money they spent on trying to get it torn down, they could have done something decent with it by now.

robk1982 Jan 12, 2010 1:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uaarkson (Post 4644789)
Given the economy, the building is practically worthless. If there was any demand for office space in Flint (lol!) then it might be worth saving. I say leave it be for now, but it either needs to be renovated or torn down. It can't just sit there unoccupied for decades.

Actually, there has been quite a bit of demand for office space downtown. That's why the Rowe, Wade Trim, and new Social Security Administration Buildings have been built in the last 3 years and why the IRS is building a new building on the northern edge of downtown (I'm sure it won't take long until the IRS's old office space in the Phoenix Building is leased). Also, if HealthPlus was able to sell their current building in Flint Township, it is highly likely that we would be witnessing the building of a new headquarters for them downtown. I think their current building is 6 stories with a large floorplan, so they could have easily built a 10+ story building downtown.

But, Hayward is right. There is no value in this building now, even if a major tenant were to come along. I just glad that both sides are running out of appeals. It's way past time that this building gets torn down, and, hopefully replaced with something that compliments the Mott Building.

uaarkson Jan 12, 2010 2:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robk1982 (Post 4645661)
Actually, there has been quite a bit of demand for office space downtown. That's why the Rowe, Wade Trim, and new Social Security Administration Buildings have been built in the last 3 years and why the IRS is building a new building on the northern edge of downtown (I'm sure it won't take long until the IRS's old office space in the Phoenix Building is leased). Also, if HealthPlus was able to sell their current building in Flint Township, it is highly likely that we would be witnessing the building of a new headquarters for them downtown. I think their current building is 6 stories with a large floorplan, so they could have easily built a 10+ story building downtown.

But, Hayward is right. There is no value in this building now, even if a major tenant were to come along. I just glad that both sides are running out of appeals. It's way past time that this building gets torn down, and, hopefully replaced with something that compliments the Mott Building.

I was talking about demand that would justify use of a building the size of Genesee Towers. But yeah, I completely forgot about HealthPlus.

LMich Jan 12, 2010 5:55 AM

With the new(ish) remake of the Supreme Court, I can't imagine them upholding the Court of Appeal's ruling, here, and thank god. If it was never apparent before, it's apparent now that the Vemulapallis never had any real intention in managing and marketing the property, nor did they have the wherewithal even if they wanted to, and bought the property to flip it.

Anyone happen to remember -- or can find out -- how much they were able to purchase it for?

robk1982 Jan 12, 2010 1:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LMich (Post 4646053)
Anyone happen to remember -- or can find out -- how much they were able to purchase it for?

$500,000

LMich Jan 13, 2010 4:51 AM

Jeeze. The guy makes out a bandit either way this goes. Hell, he got that thing for the price of a mansion in Flint, at the time, and this was while the building was still in relatively decent shape, too.

robk1982 Jan 27, 2010 8:57 PM

owe building opens its doors to the public in downtown Flint
 
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/inde...opens_its.html

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Rowe building opens its doors to the public in downtown Flint
By Jean Johnson | The Flint Journal
January 26, 2010, 3:15PM

FLINT, Michigan — The Rowe building opened its doors Tuesday, as more than 200 guests toured the site following a ribbon cutting.

The $22.7 million project combined three adjacent buildings in the heart of the downtown business district, combining them into a four-story, 83,000-square-foot building on S. Saginaw Street.

"We mark another significant milestone in the redevelopment of Downtown Flint," said Tim Herman, CEO of Genesee Regional Chamber of Commerce and president of the Uptown Reinvestment Corporation. "The Rowe Building is testimony to what is possible when private, public and non-profit partners work together toward a common goal."

Rowe Professional Services Company — which occupies the second and third floor of 504 S. Saginaw St. — features open brick walls, high ceilings, and huge windows. The engineering firm has signed a 10-year lease for the headquarters, which drew approximately 100 professionals to the city.

"Those 100 plus employees will have a tremendous impact and that just can't be overstated," Flint Mayor Dayne Walling.

The surrounding business should feel the effect, he said. The project redefined downtown Flint, and depicts the future of the community.

"We're moving past the boarded-up windows, and the broken sidewalks and the neighborhoods that need repair to a place that's renovated and modern."

The project began in 2006 but faced a huge stumbling block with the partial collapse of the building in August of 2007.

"While the partial collapse of the building was a definite setback and very frustrating ... Rowe never lost it's its enthusiasm for seeing this project completed," said Rowe CEO John Matonich.

After the ceremony, Rowe and residents opened their doors to gawkers so they could see the inside of Flint's newest edition.

"This is wonderful for Flint," said Gracie Harris, of Fenton. "I love the clean lines — it's nicely done. I like that it's open and airy."

Prior to the development's completion, each of the eight fourth-floor lofts were leased. Currently 14 people occupy them.

For resident David Custer, his mind was set as soon as he saw a building rendering. He lives in one of the eight fourth floor lofts with his pug, Mona.

His 2,100-square-foot loft is stylish, with a first floor master bedroom equipped with a full bathroom, kitchen, and second full bath. Upstairs is a second bedroom, which Custer converted into an office and a balcony that overlooks the kitchen and main room with high vaulted ceilings.

Custer, who moved to the building from Goodrich Township, said that lofts like these makes downtown living accessible.

"The people in this building, we want to be in Flint," Custer said. " I hope to attend more of these types of openings."

robk1982 Jan 29, 2010 10:54 PM

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/inde..._in_flint.html

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Sweeping demolitions in Flint to clear out blight, create space for potential redevelopment
By Kristin Longley | Flint Journal
January 29, 2010, 7:00AM

FLINT, Michigan — You can call it shrinking, repatterning or something else entirely, but it’s still the same concept — and it’s coming to the city.

Home by foreclosed home, bulldozers will soon flatten areas potentially as large as blocks in some Flint neighborhoods to make way for greenspace and a hope of future development.

Demolition in three target areas will be funded by $2.5 million of a $25-million stimulus grant awarded to the city for neighborhood stabilization and to fight blight.

Now, after a year of talking about sweeping demolition in Flint, the city now has the resources to make it a reality.

City leaders say it’s not truly shrinking the city — at least not in the way it’s been portrayed by some.

Instead, only foreclosed homes will be targeted.

Under no circumstances would residents be forced to leave their homes to move elsewhere, Flint Mayor Dayne Walling has said.

However, residents in blighted areas could be offered relocation assistance if they chose to move, City Administrator Gregory Eason said.

The $2.5 million grant is Flint’s opportunity to clear some space for redevelopment, commerical opportunities or alternative uses, like urban farming or sidelot acquisition in the areas surrounding Flint Park Lake, Hurley Medical Center and University Avenue.

The foreclosure rate is so high in at least some portions of those neighborhoods that it could mean razing entire blocks of empty homes, Eason said.

"Most of the acquisition in areas of blight, the city will acquire (the properties), the land bank will clear titles and we'll go through and clear out the land," he said. "It will allow the city to purchase large blocks of housing where speculators haven't had the resources to do that."

A plan presented to Flint City Council members says 247 foreclosed homes will be demolished in the three areas.

“This is our first opportunity here to remove a lot of blight and hopefully put together a strategy on how to renovate our infrastructure,” Eason said.

Flint’s population is shrinking at one of the fastest rates in the nation. Now the city plans to shrink its most broken-down housing stock along with it.

Patrick Ryals, who lives in the Flint Park Lake area, supports ridding his community of blighted homes, but wants to make sure the resulting empty land is managed properly.

After all, Flint is a city, he said — not the countryside.

“Some of these neighborhoods have already been decimated,” he said. “We want to make Flint a city that’s going to be a city again.

“We need to keep these neighborhoods going.”

City Councilwoman Jackie Poplar worries about what people in those areas will make of the demolitions, and asked city officials to communicate their plans with residents.

“When Grandma Susie is watching television and she sees the bulldozers come down her street ... how are we going to get the message out that we’re not shrinking her city?” she said.

Carriage Town resident Phillip Barnhart said he would rally against bulldozers razing the area’s historic homes located near Hurley Medical Center before they can be preserved. He said he would try to dissuade the city from demolishing any of Flint’s historic buildings and encourages rehabilitation instead.

“Any structure with historic value needs to be saved,” he said. “That’s so you don’t degrade the quality of the historic potential in the neighborhood.”

However, Barnhart also said he supports Flint’s revitalization and rehabilitation efforts.

“It’s exciting to see the city cross over this peak and start to see things happen,” he said.

Others question whether the stimulus dollars go far enough. Flint is made up of dozens of neighborhoods, but only a handful will see these stimulus dollars.

Eason said the three demolition target areas were chosen by the federal government based on their high rate of foreclosures.

But Councilman Bernard Lawler, whose 5th Ward is barely represented in the target areas, said some areas in his ward is riddled with foreclosures. The 5th Ward also had the highest rate of some crimes in the city last year.

“I think somebody made a mistake,” Lawler said.

Eason said the grant will also provide assistance to people who want to leave blighted areas and relocate elsewhere in the city.

“It’s a holistic approach whereby the city and the Land Bank identify and relocate people into good areas,” he said. “It’s an opportunity to talk about a lot of different ideas and approaches.”

But moving people within the city is a sensitive issue for some.

Ryals, who’s lived in the same house for 40 years, said the city should think very carefully about how it plans to offer relocation assistance.

“That might be a politically bad move,” he said. “We’re the ones keeping a neighborhood going. Without us, what’s a neighborhood going to be?”

http://media.mlive.com/newsnow_impac...85fd_large.jpg


robk1982 Jan 30, 2010 2:19 AM

EPA says Buick City cleanup for southern end of property expected to cost $5.9 millio
 
http://www.mlive.com/business/mid-mi...leanup_fo.html

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EPA says Buick City cleanup for southern end of property expected to cost $5.9 million
By Melissa Burden | Flint Journal
January 28, 2010, 6:15PM

FLINT, Michigan — Cleanup for the southern part of Buick City — where developers want to create a truck-to-rail intermodal hub — is expected to cost $5.9 million, nearly twice as much as expected.

The new estimate was released today by U.S. Environmental Protection Agency as part of its recommendations for cleaning up the site.

Even after the cleanup — which includes steam treating contaminated underground water and excavating or containing polluted soil — the EPA says the site will be best suited for industrial or commercial use only because of lingering contaminants.

In September, a chamber official estimated cleanup costs at $1.1 million to $3.7 million.

The pollution in the 230-acre portion of Buick City — between Leith and Harriet streets, east of Cole Boulevard — includes lead in the soil as well as hydraulic oil, fuel oil and gasoline in the groundwater.

The EPA says the drinking water and Flint River have not been affected.

The agency is accepting public comment until Feb. 28 on its recommendations. Officials also will go over recommendations, answer questions and allow for public comment during a hearing set 5:30-7:30 p.m. Feb. 18 in the auditorium of Mott Community College's Regional Technology Center, 1401 E. Court St.

Riding the concrete slabs, old parking lots and weeds of contaminants is a crucial step for developers who want toopen a truck-to-rail intermodal hub on the site, creating 600 jobs.

Cleanup work could start later this year on the site, said Jill Groboski, an EPA project manager.

“Having a definite timeline is a positive step forward toward the redevelopment of the Buick City site,” said Tim Herman, the chamber’s chief executive officer.

Herman said the project is moving forward, but the question of long-term environmental liability is still an issue for developers who don’t want to take that on.

He said the $1.1 million to $3.7 million cleanup estimate for that portion of Buick City was an early estimate and that the EPA must have made revisions based on additional information gathered since then.

Mick Hans, a spokesman for the EPA’s Region 5 office in Chicago, said the EPA is working to reach an agreement with Motors Liquidation Co., the company formed to dispose of old General Motors assets, to pay for the cleanup.

“The specifics haven’t been determined,” said Steve Blow, a spokesman for Motors Liquidation. “But there’s a close partnership with (the EPA) and the city and everyone else involved to resolve the environmental remediation obligations.”

Blow said he couldn’t offer cleanup cost estimates for specific Motors Liquidation sites.

In the past Motors Liquidation has said it has funds to clean up the properties it controls.

Cleanup estimates for the southern part of Buick City also include excavating soil at an adjacent property owned by CSX Railroad that was contaminated by pollution from Buick City.

Groboski said work on the soil should go fairly quickly but the groundwater portion will take “months” to complete because some studies need to be done to make sure the process is working.

But Hans said it’s possible development work on the site could happen while cleanup work continues.

“I think the government’s intent is to be as flexible as possible to allow development to happen,” he said. “That’s what we all want to see there.”

Recommendations for cleaning up the larger, more contaminated, northern portion of Buick City will be released by the EPA later this year.

Total Buick City cleanup costs had been estimated as high as $19.5 million.

LMich Jan 30, 2010 6:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robk1982 (Post 4673340)

I was kind of surprised to here they are only using $2.5 million to demolish 247 homes. Here in Lansing, we're using our $17 million of the "stabilization" fund to knock down 258 homes (and rehab nearly 100 more), which when even not compared with Flint sounds like a helluva lot. I honestly, don't see 258 homes here that could be considered for demolition. I have a lot of questions and concerns, mostly, about the stablization fund.

robk1982 Feb 5, 2010 3:01 PM

Powers asks Grand Blanc Township for permission to convert General Motors SPO World H
 
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/inde..._townsh_1.html

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Powers asks Grand Blanc Township for permission to convert General Motors SPO World Headquarters to a school
By Ron Fonger | Flint Journal
February 04, 2010, 5:49PM

http://media.mlive.com/newsnow_impac...426f_large.jpg
Flint Journal file photo
General Motors Service and Parts Operations World Headquarters

GRAND BLANC TWP. — Powers Catholic High School wants to move into General Motors’ Service and Parts Operations World Headquarters by the end of this year and has asked the township for permission to get started.

Representatives of the school filed an application with the township Thursday asking for permission to use the building as a school. A member of the Powers relocation committee — John Gazall of Gazall, Lewis & Associates — said he believes there is a purchase agreement in place for the complex.

A GM official would not comment on the status of the property but the company confirmed late last year that it was trying to sell the facility and move hundreds of employees elsewhere.

Powers parents and students said they look forward to the move from the school’s current site on on West Carpenter Road in Mt. Morris Township provided it makes the school stronger for the future.

“It doesn’t make a huge difference to me which building the school is in as long as the school keeps the same staff and the same teaching philosophies,” said Tammy Trzcinski-Green, who has a son in 10th grade. “I know enrollment would go up if the school is in Grand Blanc Township.

“I know that’s what they want, and I strongly believe in a Catholic education ...,” said Trzcinski-Green. “The more kids (who) have access to that the better.”

For years, Powers officials have looked to move south because of declining enrollment and a shift in population.

The school has been at its current location since its opening in 1970, but a 1996 survey showed 75 percent of area Catholics actually live south of the Flint River.

Powers Principal Tom Furnas told parents earlier this year that the school had entered a "period of concrete negotiations" to sell its existing building.

Furnas’ name is also on the land use application filed with the township. Powers Advancement Director Bill Milne referred questions to Gazall.

Gazall, who has worked with Powers as a member of its building committee for several years, said Powers has tentative plans to move students into the SPO site during Christmas break — assuming it gets the special land use permit and other permits needed from the township.

"The gameplan is to be able to occupy by the end of December ... if everything gets the approvals," Gazall said.

Township officials said they have scheduled a hearing on the Powers land-use request for 7 p.m. March 4. In December, the township changed its zoning ordinance to allow private and parochial schools to locate at any site in the township regardless of how the land is zoned if they are granted a special use permit.

“It will be a good use for the site,” said township Planner Mike Deem. “It will be a good anchor for that part of the township.”

GM spokesman John McDonald would not comment on the application by Powers, saying, "We haven't announced anything yet."

"I can't confirm any specific interest in the building," McDonald said.

GM told The Flint Journal in December that the SPO building was for sale as the company finalized an efficiency study that could result in employees moving to the Warren Tech Center.

About 800 GM employees work at the SPO building, which opened just 14 years ago.

Township Supervisor Micki Hoffman said the loss of tax revenue from the departure of GM will hurt the township but the sting will be lessened by filling what otherwise might be a vacant building.

“We’re very happy to have Powers come in,” Hoffman said. “Although it’s not taxable, it brings more people to our community (and) best of all, we don’t have an empty building at the entrance of Grand Blanc.”

Powers senior Andrew Forsleff said underclassmen are lucky they’ll have the chance to graduate from the new campus and said students haven’t been talking about a move yet.

“Nobody feels like it’s really official because they’ve been talking about this sort of thing forever,” Forsleff said.




LMich Feb 6, 2010 5:32 AM

I wonder how large the headquarters is in square feet. It looks kind of large for a school.

This news is kind of ironic. The day they say the SPO headquarters is going to the Tech Center, GM also announced that they'd be maintaining their presence in the RenCen after threatening to move half of GM jobs to the Tech Center.

robk1982 Feb 6, 2010 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LMich (Post 4684872)
I wonder how large the headquarters is in square feet. It looks kind of large for a school.

This news is kind of ironic. The day they say the SPO headquarters is going to the Tech Center, GM also announced that they'd be maintaining their presence in the RenCen after threatening to move half of GM jobs to the Tech Center.


I don't know the exact size, but it would definitely be huge for a school of 800 students. I remember another Flint Journal article when this was first proposed (around December?) mentioned that Powers might "rent out" some of the extra space - not sure to who.

robk1982 Feb 10, 2010 12:51 AM

http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/...al_spo_wo.html

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General Motors official: SPO World Headquarters staying in Grand Blanc Township
By Ron Fonger | Flint Journal
February 09, 2010, 3:35PM

GRAND BLANC TWP -- General Motors' Service and Parts Operations World Headquarters is staying put in the township, a decision that will cost Powers Catholic High School a potential new home but save hundreds of white collar jobs here.

A GM spokesman told The Flint Journal today that the company has made a final decision to remain in the 345,000-square-foot complex, and Powers said in a news release that officials there will continue to work toward finding a new home.

"This has been a very difficult six months. We believed we were going to be moving," said John McDonald, a GM spokesman. "Everybody had been working toward that goal."

Employees were told of GM's decision to keep its SPO headquarters here earlier today.

Just last week, Powers filed for a special use permit from the township that would have allowed it to use the SPO building as a high school, and officials said they had a purchase agreement for the property.

The news release from Powers said those plans were interrupted by GM's decision not to relocate.

Powers called that decision "welcome news to everyone in the region" but a disappointment to the Powers community.
Good news for the Flint area, but very strange given the Powers deal that was supposedly agreed to last week.


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