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casper
Mar 13, 2020, 12:39 AM
That loophole wouldn't last long, I'd hazard.

It is not a loophole. The Euopean ban has very similar wording to the one on China. It simply bans anyone who has been in certain (but not all) European countries over the past 14 days. US citizens, permanent residents, and close relatives are exempt from the ban.

My point is there will still be traffic between the US and Europe. Air France, Lufthansa etc. are still going to be flying into the major US hubs like New York but they will be cancelling a substantial number of roots. Some of that connecting traffic will help to fill the Canadian flights.

As an example Air France will now stop their flight to Seattle for 60 days but keep Vancouver. Both flights would have been lightly loaded. They are now consolidated onto the Vancouver flight.

NewfBC
Mar 13, 2020, 4:25 AM
Is freight included in the ban? I thought cargo was not supposed to be part of the measures

A lot of freight/cargo travels on passenger flights... I doubt they'll fly planes with no passengers to transport a small amount of cargo.

Ron.

whatnext
Mar 13, 2020, 5:48 AM
A lot of freight/cargo travels on passenger flights... I doubt they'll fly planes with no passengers to transport a small amount of cargo.

Ron.

Depends how much they can get for it.

casper
Mar 13, 2020, 4:17 PM
Depends how much they can get for it.

At least domestically in Canada, Cargo airlines spend a lot of time on the ground. They are usually older aircraft and only fly at night. There is no shortage of dedicated cargo aircraft.

YVR Bruce
Mar 14, 2020, 5:12 AM
It looks like Air Tahiti Nui will use YVR to avoid LAX during the lockout of EU carriers. 1st scheduled for tomorrow Sat Mar 14 arrives 13:35. May be one-time only....

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/290299/air-tahiti-nui-14-20mar20-paris-service-changes-one-time-papeete-paris-nonstop/

TheGreatestX
Mar 14, 2020, 5:20 AM
YVR-MEL will be suspended from May 1-Nov 27

Now from April 3.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 14, 2020, 8:40 AM
AC now starting to dump European capacity.

Some routes are cancelled for thr entire summer, some suspended for a couple of months, some seasonal delay starts.

So far no YVR routes affected... this round...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/290297/air-canada-ns20-long-haul-service-reductions-as-of-13mar20/

thenoflyzone
Mar 14, 2020, 1:38 PM
It looks like Air Tahiti Nui will use YVR to avoid LAX during the lockout of EU carriers. 1st scheduled for tomorrow Sat Mar 14 arrives 13:35. May be one-time only....

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/290299/air-tahiti-nui-14-20mar20-paris-service-changes-one-time-papeete-paris-nonstop/

Nice.

PPT-CDG (15,715km) non stop is longer than EWR-SIN (15,344km), making it the longest non stop flight in the world by distance.

Also, PTP–PPT must be the longest domestic flight ever. 10,355 km.

casper
Mar 14, 2020, 3:45 PM
It looks like Air Tahiti Nui will use YVR to avoid LAX during the lockout of EU carriers. 1st scheduled for tomorrow Sat Mar 14 arrives 13:35. May be one-time only....

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/290299/air-tahiti-nui-14-20mar20-paris-service-changes-one-time-papeete-paris-nonstop/

Sounds like Air France is also considering shifting their Tahiti service to Vancouver.

Good chance this will become permanent with both airlines. YVR has a much better setup for operating this flight than anything at LAX.

Denscity
Mar 14, 2020, 6:03 PM
Mm Tahiti. I often forget about that place but perhaps I should check out that tropical paradise one day via YVR.

whatnext
Mar 14, 2020, 6:27 PM
Sounds like Air France is also considering shifting their Tahiti service to Vancouver.

Good chance this will become permanent with both airlines. YVR has a much better setup for operating this flight than anything at LAX.

LA has way more of the moneyed people who would go to Tahiti. It is not a cheap destination. Vancouver has lots of bottom feeders looking for the cheapest Maui condo+air stay.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 14, 2020, 10:19 PM
This is obviously going to be a temporary replacement. Let’s not get too carried away over analysing this. There’s going to be a lot of strange “shite” happening over the next little while.

casper
Mar 15, 2020, 5:54 AM
LA has way more of the moneyed people who would go to Tahiti. It is not a cheap destination. Vancouver has lots of bottom feeders looking for the cheapest Maui condo+air stay.

Wound be interesting to see what percentage of traffic is Paris to Tahiti vrs originating in the US. Tahiti has some weird colony status within France. Not certain how much government traffic there is on the route.

trofirhen
Mar 15, 2020, 6:51 AM
Wound be interesting to see what percentage of traffic is Paris to Tahiti vrs originating in the US. Tahiti has some weird colony status within France. Not certain how much government traffic there is on the route.
Tahiti is a "Territoire Outre Mer" (T.O.M.) 'Overseas Territory' and is semi-autonomous.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-16492623
There has been a development in bilateral negotiations regarding flights between Tahiti and Canada, if the right is ever exercised.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/398874/air-service-agreement-between-french-polynesia-and-canada

connect2source
Mar 17, 2020, 11:42 AM
Westjet ending all international and transborder flights starting March 22nd.

https://dailyhive.com/mapped/westjet-stop-international-cross-border-operations

Johnny Aussie
Mar 17, 2020, 6:08 PM
https://blog.westjet.com/statement-on-operations-and-network-from-ed-sims/

“ On Sunday, March 22 at 11:59 p.m. MDT, we will suspend scheduled commercial operations for all international and transborder flights for a 30 day period.”

casper
Mar 18, 2020, 3:09 AM
https://blog.westjet.com/statement-on-operations-and-network-from-ed-sims/

“ On Sunday, March 22 at 11:59 p.m. MDT, we will suspend scheduled commercial operations for all international and transborder flights for a 30 day period.”

What is interesting is the response by WestJet to one of the questions on the blog. Someone asking about a flight after they stop operation. The advise from the WestJet rep is to try to contact WestJet to rebook for an earlier flight and if they are not able to register on the Canadian government side for a repatriation flight.

Sounds like after they stop operating they switch into operating charters for the government to bring Canadians back home. Weird times.

nname
Mar 18, 2020, 10:01 AM
Some update of YVR long-hual routes for Mar-May as of tonight. Subject to changes, as always.

() = April frequency

TPE (15-16x weekly)
AC reduced to 3-4x weekly Mar-Apr, 4-5x weekly May
BR unchanged daily
CI reduced to 5x weekly Apr

LHR/LGW (14x weekly)
AC unchanged daily
BA unchanged daily

HKG (12x weekly)
AC reduced to 4x weekly Mar-Apr, 6x weekly May
CX reduced to 8x weekly Apr, 10x weekly May

PVG (11x weekly)
AC suspended, resumes daily May
MU unchanged 11x weekly

NRT/HND (9-11x weekly)
AC reduced to 5-7x weekly Mar-Apr
NH reduced to 4x weekly Mar-Apr
JL suspended, resumes 3x weekly May

MNL (7x weekly)
PR unchanged daily

DEL (7x weekly)
AC unchanged daily

SYD (7x weekly)
AC unchanged daily

BNE (7x weekly)
AC unchanged daily

AMS (7x weekly)
KL unchanged

ICN (6x weekly)
AC reduced to 4x weekly Mar, 6x weekly Apr
KE suspended, resumes 4x weekly May

PEK (5x weekly)
AC suspended, resumes daily May
CA reduced to 5x weekly Mar-Apr

MUC (5x weekly)
LH unchanged

FRA (4-7x weekly)
LH reduced to 4x weekly Mar-early-Apr

XMN (3x weekly)
MF unchanged 3x weekly

CTU (2x weekly)
3U unchanged 2x weekly

SHE
3U suspended, resumes Sept

TAO
JD suspended, resumes late-May

NKG
MU suspended, resumes late-June

SZX
HU suspended, resumes late-June

MEL
AC suspended for the season

AKL
NZ suspended Apr, resumes July

CDG
AF suspended, resumes 3-4x weekly May

Johnny Aussie
Mar 18, 2020, 3:28 PM
Minimal impact in the west but Sunwing, Porter and Air Transat suspending all operations temporarily.

Sunwing
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-sunwing-airlines-to-halt-operations-after-march-23-amid-pandemic/

”Rachel Goldrick, a spokeswoman for Sunwing, said the shutdown is “temporary” and will last until April 10, but “at this time we cannot confirm when commercial southern flight operations will resume. That is why Sunwing was forced to communicate layoffs to our flight and cabin crew members [Monday] evening.”

Porter and Air Transat

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-transat-starts-suspending-flights-laying-off-workers-as-virus-closes/

LeftCoaster
Mar 18, 2020, 6:54 PM
Shocked to see so much still flying. I imagine that will continue to get cut as Canadians are repatriated and the planes empty out.

whatnext
Mar 18, 2020, 9:55 PM
Shocked to see so much still flying. I imagine that will continue to get cut as Canadians are repatriated and the planes empty out.

Which should make everyone worried. There's a lot more carried in the belly of an Air Canada widebody than pax luggage:

Fears over air freight movement are rising as government efforts to stem the rising tide of COVID-19 infection in Canada intensify.

Those fears are increasing even though new air travel restrictions announced this morning by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will not be applied to trade or businesses.

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) noted Monday morning that the combination of dramatic travel restrictions and the subsequent collapse of the industry’s passenger sector has “severely limited cargo capacity.”

Passenger planes are a major mover of air freight cargo, which includes medicines, medical equipment and a wide-range of time-sensitive goods....

https://biv.com/article/2020/03/global-air-freight-movement-worries-escalating

nname
Mar 18, 2020, 11:40 PM
Shocked to see so much still flying. I imagine that will continue to get cut as Canadians are repatriated and the planes empty out.

AC Route status that was just updated. I'll just use smilies here so they are easy to read

:) Still running
:( Cancelled

Long-Haul
:) NRT
:( PEK
:( PVG
:( ICN
:) TPE
:) HKG
:) DEL
:( SYD
:( BNE
:( MEL
:) LHR

Trans-border
:) SEA
:( PDX
:( SMF
:) SFO
:( SJC
:) LAX
:( SAN
:( PSP
:( HNL
:( OGG
:( KOA
:( LAS
:( PHX
:) DEN
:( DFW
:) ORD
:) EWR

Mexico
:) MEX
:( SJD
:( CUN
:( ZIH
:( PVR

Canada
:) YYC
:) YEG
:) YQR
:) YXE
:) YWG
:) YYZ
:) YOW
:) YUL
:) YXY
:( YZF

BC
:) YYJ
:) YCD
:( YQQ
:( YYF
:( YKA
:) YLW
:( YXC
:( YCG
:( YPR
:( YZP
:( YYD
:) YXT
:) YXS
:) YXJ

Denscity
Mar 18, 2020, 11:53 PM
YCG no??
Well if Kamloops is cancelled then i shouldnt be surprised if a city 1/10th the size is also cancelled lol.

nname
Mar 19, 2020, 12:00 AM
YCG no??
Well if Kamloops is cancelled then i shouldnt be surprised if a city 1/10th the size is also cancelled lol.

YVR-YCG cancelled
YYC-YCG is still running

I guess you guys prefer YYC over YVR..? :(

Denscity
Mar 19, 2020, 12:04 AM
YVR-YCG cancelled
YYC-YCG is still running

I guess you guys prefer YYC over YVR..? :(

Definitely not! There was 3 daily to YVR for decades and only 1 daily to YYC!

Alexcaban
Mar 19, 2020, 3:37 AM
This list is far from being completed. I can guarantee you that.
Things are changing day to day.

LeftCoaster
Mar 19, 2020, 8:44 PM
AC Route status that was just updated. I'll just use smilies here so they are easy to read

:) Still running
:( Cancelled

Long-Haul
:) NRT
:( PEK
:( PVG
:( ICN
:) TPE
:) HKG
:) DEL
:( SYD
:( BNE
:( MEL
:) LHR

Trans-border
:) SEA
:( PDX
:( SMF
:) SFO
:( SJC
:) LAX
:( SAN
:( PSP
:( HNL
:( OGG
:( KOA
:( LAS
:( PHX
:) DEN
:( DFW
:) ORD
:) EWR

Mexico
:) MEX
:( SJD
:( CUN
:( ZIH
:( PVR

Canada
:) YYC
:) YEG
:) YQR
:) YXE
:) YWG
:) YYZ
:) YOW
:) YUL
:) YXY
:( YZF

BC
:) YYJ
:) YCD
:( YQQ
:( YYF
:( YKA
:) YLW
:( YXC
:( YCG
:( YPR
:( YZP
:( YYD
:) YXT
:) YXS
:) YXJ

This is fantastic, thank you!

Alexcaban
Mar 19, 2020, 8:57 PM
Update to the AC list

YVR-LHR, NRT, HKG, MEX & DEL are the only international flights.

YVR-LAX, SFO, DEN & SEA are the only US flights.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 19, 2020, 9:09 PM
Update to the AC list

YVR-LHR, NRT, HKG, MEX & DEL are the only international flights.

YVR-LAX, SFO, DEN & SEA are the only US flights.

Yup changing by the hour almost!

Denscity
Mar 19, 2020, 10:27 PM
Update to the AC list

YVR-LHR, NRT, HKG, MEX & DEL are the only international flights.

YVR-LAX, SFO, DEN & SEA are the only US flights.

Thank you. Did I see that YUL and YYZ had even less than this??

Canadian74
Mar 20, 2020, 12:44 AM
Interesting that they are keeping DEL, considering India has suspended all visas including OCIs and Canada has closed borders.

Alexcaban
Mar 20, 2020, 1:40 AM
Thank you. Did I see that YUL and YYZ had even less than this??

YUL will keep CDG, FRA & LHR

YYZ will keep DEL, FRA & LHR

It does seem like YVR has extra international however the flights are not daily.

YYZ/YUL are also keeping a lot more US destinations then YVR.

YYC has domestic only.

casper
Mar 20, 2020, 1:43 AM
Interesting that they are keeping DEL, considering India has suspended all visas including OCIs and Canada has closed borders.

The devil is in the details. Not something the media is a good at covering.

India suspected all tourist visas. It did not suspend business visas. Canada also is still permitting international transit. So Americans can still transit through YVR as long as they are making onward connections. I would expect some DEL connecting traffic to SEA, LAX, SFO.

nname
Mar 20, 2020, 3:02 AM
Update to the AC list

YVR-LHR, NRT, HKG, MEX & DEL are the only international flights.

YVR-LAX, SFO, DEN & SEA are the only US flights.

YVR-TPE removed

YVR-EWR and -ORD are still bookable.

Denscity
Mar 20, 2020, 3:09 AM
YUL will keep CDG, FRA & LHR

YYZ will keep DEL, FRA & LHR

It does seem like YVR has extra international however the flights are not daily.

YYZ/YUL are also keeping a lot more US destinations then YVR.

YYC has domestic only.

K thanks for the details.

Alexcaban
Mar 20, 2020, 3:36 AM
YVR-TPE removed

YVR-EWR and -ORD are still bookable.

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2020/china-travel.html#/na

Under North American >>> US

Vancouver - Newark Temporary suspension from April 1 until April 30
Vancouver - Chicago Temporary suspension from March 23 until April 30

Johnny Aussie
Mar 20, 2020, 8:04 AM
YVR one of 12 remaining destinations by CX.

https://news.cathaypacific.com/cathay-pacific-to-reduce-passenger-capacity-by-96-in-april-and-may

Johnny Aussie
Mar 20, 2020, 8:20 AM
Pacific Coastal also suspending operations.

https://www.pacificcoastal.com/temporary-service-suspension/

“Temporary Service Suspension for travel between March 25 and May 2, 2020 inclusive.”

hollywoodcory
Mar 20, 2020, 1:40 PM
KLM is suspending YVR-AMS from March 26
https://news.klm.com/covid-19-klm-is-doing-everything-it-can-to-repatriate-as-many-travelers-as-possible/

TheGreatestX
Mar 20, 2020, 3:16 PM
Update to the AC list

YVR-LHR, NRT, HKG, MEX & DEL are the only international flights.

YVR-LAX, SFO, DEN & SEA are the only US flights.

Last YVR-DEL is today

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2020/china-travel.html#/atlantic

YYCguys
Mar 20, 2020, 7:21 PM
Pacific Coastal also suspending operations.

https://www.pacificcoastal.com/temporary-service-suspension/

“Temporary Service Suspension for travel between March 25 and May 2, 2020 inclusive.”

Does that mean an end to Westjet Link, for the time being, as well?

LeftCoaster
Mar 20, 2020, 11:05 PM
YYZ/YUL are also keeping a lot more US destinations then YVR.


For now. The US is about to fall off a cliff.

I suspect they'll be one if, if not the first, nations to break 100,000 reported cases.

Alexcaban
Mar 20, 2020, 11:37 PM
For now. The US is about to fall off a cliff.

I suspect they'll be one if, if not the first, nations to break 100,000 reported cases.

This is what happens when stupid people party for spring break in Florida....

casper
Mar 22, 2020, 4:19 AM
For now. The US is about to fall off a cliff.

I suspect they'll be one if, if not the first, nations to break 100,000 reported cases.

With United temporarily suspending all flights to Canada there is going to be very few options out of YVR.

YVR Bruce
Mar 22, 2020, 11:47 PM
A story says the crosswind runway will be closed for aircraft storage. Tomorrow/Monday.

stiffdeadman
Mar 24, 2020, 2:39 AM
Saw a post from KLM stating that until at least May 3 only Canada destinations they will serve are Calgary and Toronto. So Vancouver completely cut.

Marshal
Mar 24, 2020, 3:45 AM
Does anyone know how many routes remain active?

nname
Mar 24, 2020, 7:09 AM
Does anyone know how many routes remain active?

According to Google, for the month of April for at least some part of the month:

NRT,HND,PEK,PVG,CTU,XMN,CAN,TPE,HKG,MNL,SYD,LHR,FRA,MUC,KEF
YYZ,YUL,YOW,YWG,YXE,YQR,YYC,YEG,YXY
SEA,LAX,SFO,DEN,SLC,DFW,MSP,ATL

Plus BC destinations

The list ignores all WG, WS, and UA flights not yet removed in April as we know they will not be operating.

TheGreatestX
Mar 24, 2020, 4:15 PM
The WestJet routes still operated are here: https://blog.westjet.com/westjet-working-to-keep-economic-lifelines-open-across-canada/

The AC routes still operated are here: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2020/china-travel.html?icid=INT:INTR:china-travel:travelNews:032320:062320:banneracdotcom|caen

spaceprobe
Mar 24, 2020, 9:13 PM
The WestJet routes still operated are here: https://blog.westjet.com/westjet-working-to-keep-economic-lifelines-open-across-canada/

The AC routes still operated are here: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2020/china-travel.html?icid=INT:INTR:china-travel:travelNews:032320:062320:banneracdotcom|caen

Westjet is really focusing all its efforts on Calgary!

thenoflyzone
Mar 25, 2020, 12:24 AM
The AC routes still operated are here: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2020/china-travel.html?icid=INT:INTR:china-travel:travelNews:032320:062320:banneracdotcom|caen

They are still listing YVR/YYZ-DEL for April, but highly doubt those will operate. India is on lockdown. All domestic flights have been stopped.

Edit: They just moved both flights in the suspended list until April 30th.

Alexcaban
Mar 25, 2020, 1:49 AM
According to Google, for the month of April for at least some part of the month:

NRT,HND,PEK,PVG,CTU,XMN,CAN,TPE,HKG,MNL,SYD,LHR,FRA,MUC,KEF
YYZ,YUL,YOW,YWG,YXE,YQR,YYC,YEG,YXY
SEA,LAX,SFO,DEN,SLC,DFW,MSP,ATL

Plus BC destinations

The list ignores all WG, WS, and UA flights not yet removed in April as we know they will not be operating.

We could probably factor out FRA and MUC if it get worse in Germany.
LH is maintaining flight to 6 destinations BKK, ORD, JNB, YUL, EWR, HND

SYD ends April 11th.

I would have liked to see EWR with AC stick around at least with a 319.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 25, 2020, 5:59 AM
What you see today will probably change tomorrow. With borders shutting around the world and travel crawling to a hault...
Passenger numbers will be irrelevant.

twoNeurons
Mar 25, 2020, 3:57 PM
This is what happens when stupid people party for spring break in Florida....

This is what happens when an autocracy covers up an outbreak for 6 weeks.

whatnext
Mar 25, 2020, 7:23 PM
I posted this in the Canada thread, lots of parked AC Express a/c at YVR:


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49695393093_83d79a63db_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2iHpT1i)IMG_7574 (https://flic.kr/p/2iHpT1i) by whatnextyvr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59750459@N07/), on Flickr

craneSpotter
Mar 26, 2020, 5:17 PM
Route updates:

China Airlines: Taipei Taoyuan – Vancouver, 2 weekly A350-900XWB (29 Mar - 30 Apr ; 5 weekly from 11APR20)

Air China: Beijing Capital – Vancouver, 4 weekly A330-300 (29 Mar - 30 Apr)

EVA Air: Taipei Taoyuan – Vancouver, 4 weekly 787-9 (29 Mar – 28 Apr)

British Airways: London Heathrow – Vancouver, 1 daily 747-400 cancelled (31Mar – 17Apr)

teriyaki
Mar 26, 2020, 6:51 PM
JL was previously noted here as being suspended.

Showing as operating twice weekly now. Last updated Mar.25.

Vancouver Narita - Vancouver JL018/
JL017 March 29 - April 30, 2020

JL018: Operates on Thu, Sun (Operates on April 28)
JL017: Operates on Mon, Fri (Operates on April 29)

vanlaw
Mar 26, 2020, 8:47 PM
A story says the crosswind runway will be closed for aircraft storage. Tomorrow/Monday.

There were nine Westjet aircraft parked there yesterday.

TheGreatestX
Mar 26, 2020, 9:06 PM
Delta:
Service from Atlanta to Vancouver suspended as of March 24.
Service from Minneapolis to Vancouver suspended as of March 27.
Service from Salt Lake City to Vancouver suspended as of March 24.

https://news.delta.com/coronavirus-update-changes-our-flying-schedule

craneSpotter
Mar 27, 2020, 3:11 PM
Route updates:
Air China: Beijing Capital – Vancouver, 4 weekly A330-300 (29 Mar - 30 Apr)

With the new Chinese government rules as of Mar 29 - this flight can only be 1 per week.

Needless to say things change daily - in these unsettled times.

Starting March 29, Chinese airlines are only allowed to maintain one route to any specific country with no more than one flight per week each, while foreign airlines are only allowed to maintain one route to China with no more than one weekly flight, CAAC said in the statement posted on its website on March 26.

whatnext
Mar 27, 2020, 8:16 PM
YVR is expecting a 50% drop in pax numbers for 2020. Construction program is on hold.

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-vancouver-airport-effect/wcm/76ca7680-665e-4309-9ae1-d4cfec69b488/

Canadian74
Mar 27, 2020, 11:32 PM
YVR is expecting a 50% drop in pax numbers for 2020. Construction program is on hold.

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-vancouver-airport-effect/wcm/76ca7680-665e-4309-9ae1-d4cfec69b488/


Wow..........

Johnny Aussie
Mar 27, 2020, 11:56 PM
Wow..........

Surprised? Really?

Passenger numbers are going to be meaningless.

Marshal
Mar 28, 2020, 1:17 AM
Except that they may show how our world is knit together in terms of necessary and absolutely necessary air travel. Which airports and routes are able or needed during a world-wide shutdown. The cargo numbers will tell an equally interesting tale.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 28, 2020, 1:25 AM
YVR reduces by 50% 60% 70% 80% ?

What exactly will that tell us?

connect2source
Mar 28, 2020, 4:02 PM
YVR is expecting a 50% drop in pax numbers for 2020. Construction program is on hold.

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-vancouver-airport-effect/wcm/76ca7680-665e-4309-9ae1-d4cfec69b488/

Amazing!! Passenger numbers to equate to pre-international terminal construction.

Marshal
Mar 28, 2020, 9:34 PM
YVR reduces by 50% 60% 70% 80% ?

What exactly will that tell us?

Not much. But, for example, a map showing what airports are being used and by how much (like the circle-covid19 maps) across NAmerica, and the world would give a clear picture of what remains operational as opposed to what is more completely shut down. Compared to normal times, it would unmask underlying strengths within the network. Strengths meaning routes that remain more open than others, airports that are more focused upon based upon necessity or government decisions, routes that remain more essential for a variety of reasons, etc..

I don't expect to see anything like this, but it would show some interesting structural aspects usually hidded withing the whole network and system.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 28, 2020, 11:57 PM
Not much. But, for example, a map showing what airports are being used and by how much (like the circle-covid19 maps) across NAmerica, and the world would give a clear picture of what remains operational as opposed to what is more completely shut down. Compared to normal times, it would unmask underlying strengths within the network. Strengths meaning routes that remain more open than others, airports that are more focused upon based upon necessity or government decisions, routes that remain more essential for a variety of reasons, etc..

I don't expect to see anything like this, but it would show some interesting structural aspects usually hidded withing the whole network and system.

I understand... my point is schedules are changing daily whereby it’s impossible to see any patterns.

Example AC38 is about to fly MEL-YVR today (departure time is now) that’s the only Australia-YVR flight operating today. Why is that? Who knows?
There are 4 Condor 763s heading to PER to rescue stranded cruise ship passengers. That is a very specific reason. Repatriation flights are happening. So passenger numbers overall will be meaningless in 2020.

Marshal
Mar 29, 2020, 1:39 AM
I understand. Maybe what I am talking about would be an analysis over the duration of this terrible period of time - from the start to the final abatement. It is unlikely that we will ever see the numbers, but Craig Ferguson and all his counterparts are going to be keeping track of all sorts of data.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 29, 2020, 2:39 AM
Not one to post schedule changes at the moment but this is just to show what we know today changes tomorrow...

Air Canada cutting another 1000 weekly flights from its already greatly reduced schedule posted just 4 days ago... I would expect more and from Westjet too soon.

https://westernaviationnews.com/2020/03/28/air-canada-drops-1000-more-flights-from-april-schedule/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

“Air Canada’s revised domestic schedule plans 1,652 departures in April, down almost 1,000 flights from its already pared-down plan released just four days ago when the airline had hoped to fly 2,614 flights.”

nname
Mar 29, 2020, 3:04 AM
Not one to post schedule changes at the moment but this is just to show what we know today changes tomorrow...

Air Canada cutting another 1000 weekly flights from its already greatly reduced schedule posted just 4 days ago... I would expect more and from Westjet too soon.

https://westernaviationnews.com/2020/03/28/air-canada-drops-1000-more-flights-from-april-schedule/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

“Air Canada’s revised domestic schedule plans 1,652 departures in April, down almost 1,000 flights from its already pared-down plan released just four days ago when the airline had hoped to fly 2,614 flights.”

Seems like WS is banking everything on YYC right now.

So WS is planning to have much bigger operation out of YYC compared to AC out of YYZ :sly:

Johnny Aussie
Mar 29, 2020, 3:19 AM
Seems like WS is banking everything on YYC right now.

So WS is planning to have much bigger operation out of YYC compared to AC out of YYZ :sly:

And flying heaps of empty planes no doubt. I also think it would actually be irresponsible of them to launch flights to Italy in 5 weeks. Who in their right mind would be planning a trip to Europe at the moment let alone Italy.
I would expect a similar draw down of flights from Westjet, this is not sustainable.

casper
Mar 29, 2020, 4:08 AM
So the airport is closing off concourses

Domestic Terminal Gates B 18-27

International Terminal Gates D 72-74

USA Terminal Gates E 88, 90-96

AB passenger screening is closed and every thing through the C entrance.

https://www.yvr.ca/en/updates/yvr-terminal-operations-update

nname
Apr 4, 2020, 7:47 PM
Now the entire A and B concourses are closed. All domestic passengers uses C concourse.

Also closed are

International Terminal Gates D 68

USA Terminal Gates E 75-76

TheGreatestX
Apr 5, 2020, 12:49 AM
AC removing YVR-NRT for April.

YVR Bruce
Apr 5, 2020, 8:13 PM
Amongst all the reductions, we must have had record heavy ANZ volume today. At least for tonnage on the runway, with 6x 773 movements..

But I'm thinking not a lot of O&D for here. I heard of Germans being repatriated to FRA, but presumably NZ'ers going the other way from Europe too.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 6, 2020, 5:29 AM
Amongst all the reductions, we must have had record heavy ANZ volume today. At least for tonnage on the runway, with 6x 773 movements..

But I'm thinking not a lot of O&D for here. I heard of Germans being repatriated to FRA, but presumably NZ'ers going the other way from Europe too.

And there is another NZ 77W on its way from CHC as we speak. NZ1952 ETA is 0845 tomorrow morning.

nname
Apr 6, 2020, 5:47 AM
And there is another NZ 77W on its way from CHC as we speak. NZ1952 ETA is 0845 tomorrow morning.

Evacuation flights?

NZ1960 AKL-YVR-FRA
NZ6011 FRA-YVR-AKL

NZ1952 CHC-YVR-??? (FRA?)

And in fact the the FRA flight today have gate D71 assigned, suggests that it's also loading/unloading passengers at YVR.

Alexcaban
Apr 6, 2020, 3:09 PM
Evacuation flights?

NZ1960 AKL-YVR-FRA
NZ6011 FRA-YVR-AKL

NZ1952 CHC-YVR-??? (FRA?)

And in fact the the FRA flight today have gate D71 assigned, suggests that it's also loading/unloading passengers at YVR.

All Cargo, Change of crew in YVR most likely.

thenoflyzone
Apr 6, 2020, 5:04 PM
All Cargo, Change of crew in YVR most likely.

There are pax on board as well. LH and NZ are both operating repat flights between Germany and NZ. It will require 20 flights in total. LH is doing one stops via BKK.

https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-airbus-a380-new-zealand/



And in fact the the FRA flight today have gate D71 assigned, suggests that it's also loading/unloading passengers at YVR.

It's loading/unloading crew only.

https://simpleflying.com/air-new-zealand-frankfurt/

The team consists of four pilots and 12 cabin crew operating the Auckland-Vancouver leg. In Vancouver, the airline positioned a full replacement crew to continue to Frankfurt.

hollywoodcory
Apr 6, 2020, 7:50 PM
WS appears to have cancelled all international/transborder flights basically until further notice, except for May. All flights beyond June 1 are "cancelled".

YVR-LGW is presently unaffected for now.

Edit: I think this could have been a glitch / or system issue as they have restored the removed schedules.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 6, 2020, 11:20 PM
WS appears to have cancelled all international/transborder flights basically until further notice, except for May. All flights beyond June 1 are "cancelled".

YVR-LGW is presently unaffected for now.

Edit: I think this could have been a glitch / or system issue as they have restored the removed schedules.

Changes still happening on a daily basis... what we see today won’t be the same next week. Just cannot see WS with their complete European schedule this summer... hardly anybody will want to travel even if this turns around tomorrow (which it won’t)... long term recovery before most people will want to travel again.

nname
Apr 7, 2020, 12:04 AM
Changes still happening on a daily basis... what we see today won’t be the same next week. Just cannot see WS with their complete European schedule this summer... hardly anybody will want to travel even if this turns around tomorrow (which it won’t)... long term recovery before most people will want to travel again.

I've stopped my weekly update of AC schedule now...

Well, I haven't even been bother scanning them for almost a month now. There's just no point at the moment.

hollywoodcory
Apr 7, 2020, 4:25 AM
I've stopped my weekly update of AC schedule now...

Well, I haven't even been bother scanning them for almost a month now. There's just no point at the moment.

I usually only check weekly, as WS typically updates its schedule on Sundays. This week the update occurred today. This at least gives me something to do now that I'm not working. :haha:

It looks like they blocked middle seats on all US / Sun destination flights for all flights right through the summer so that may have caused the schedules to disappear briefly. They didn't do this for any of the long haul routes, so they would have not been affected.

agamemnon
Apr 7, 2020, 5:40 AM
Looking a little shorter-term, FWIW, international for next week (as of today!) seems to be:

AC: 2 X HKG, 3 X LHR
BR: 3 X TPE
CA: 1 X PEK (inbound via SHE)
CX: 2 x HKG
CZ: 1 X CAN
JL: 2 X NRT
MF: 3 X XMN (*)
MU: 1 X PVG
NH: 3 X HND
3U: 1 X CTU

(*) timetable listing says 3 X, and it does seem to have run three times in the last seven days, but surely they have to reduce to one weekly?

nname
Apr 7, 2020, 8:47 AM
Looking a little shorter-term, FWIW, international for next week (as of today!) seems to be:

AC: 2 X HKG, 3 X LHR
BR: 3 X TPE
CA: 1 X PEK (inbound via SHE)
CX: 2 x HKG
CZ: 1 X CAN
JL: 2 X NRT
MF: 3 X XMN (*)
MU: 1 X PVG
NH: 3 X HND
3U: 1 X CTU

(*) timetable listing says 3 X, and it does seem to have run three times in the last seven days, but surely they have to reduce to one weekly?

MF runs 1x weekly on Thursday
MU doesn't run to YVR anymore... they picked YYZ
FI to KEF currently schedule to resume next week, 3x weekly

casper
Apr 7, 2020, 8:50 AM
WS appears to have cancelled all international/transborder flights basically until further notice, except for May. All flights beyond June 1 are "cancelled".

YVR-LGW is presently unaffected for now.

Edit: I think this could have been a glitch / or system issue as they have restored the removed schedules.

I don't see the LGW service working over the next year. Given tourism is dead for the next 12 months.

More likely is seeing WS fly into Paris or Amsterdam and try to use their European partners to provide onward connections. Perhaps WS can shift into Heathrow through some kind of magic slot reallocation. LGW is a crappy airport to provide onward connections from.

whatnext
Apr 7, 2020, 5:22 PM
The numbers say it all:

YVR passenger traffic falls to 3,000 per day from 78,000
Traffic has plummeted at YVR to four per cent of its normal volume
By Maria Rantanen, Richmond News
April 7, 2020, 9:32am

Traffic has plummeted at YVR to four per cent of its normal volume.

Craig Richmond, CEO of the Vancouver Airport Authority, reported to the Richmond COVID-19 Community Task Force on Monday that only 3,000 passengers were travelling through the airport given the current travel restrictions, down from a normal volume of 78,000 per day.

Furthermore, the terminal has been largely consolidated into just Terminal C and its adjacent gates...

https://biv.com/article/2020/04/yvr-passenger-traffic-falls-3000-day-78000

TheGreatestX
Apr 16, 2020, 12:58 AM
AC has suspended CDG, TPE, BNE for the summer

Johnny Aussie
Apr 16, 2020, 2:14 AM
MF runs 1x weekly on Thursday
MU doesn't run to YVR anymore... they picked YYZ
FI to KEF currently schedule to resume next week, 3x weekly

I don’t think the 1 flight per week to each country per Chinese airline is happening. MU is still flying to YVR at least 5x per week. CA is operating more than 1 flight per week and MF is still operating 3 x per week as well.
Same with Australia CA, CZ and MU are flying to both MEL and SYD multiple times per week.

vancouverer
Apr 16, 2020, 8:24 PM
April 15, 2020

As passenger traffic continues to slow at YVR, we are bringing together additional areas of the terminal to conserve our resources. Beginning today, you’ll see some changes to domestic check-in and international passenger pre-board screening.

Flying Within Canada?

Domestic check-in and baggage drop-off have been moved to the International Terminal. This impacts the following airlines:

Air Canada
WestJet
Air Transat
Flair Airlines
Air North
The Domestic Terminal check-in and baggage drop-off area on departures level 3 is temporarily closed.

Once you are checked-in, head to the C-Gates checkpoint for pre-board security screening.

Flying Internationally (not including the U.S.)?

Your check-in and baggage drop-off process stays the same at the International Terminal.

Please note, once you have checked-in, you will now go to the Domestic Terminal C-Gates checkpoint for pre-board security screening, then walk to your International Terminal gate after security. The international pre-board screening checkpoint is temporarily closed.

Flying to the U.S.?

Your process does not change. Check-in and drop your bags off at the U.S. Terminal, then head to pre-board security and US Customs.

These terminal changes include closing all washroom and retail, food and beverage outlets in the impacted areas. Changes to retail, food and beverage are happening daily, and tenants are trying their best to match operating hours with flight schedules to ensure services are available for our passengers. As of April 16, all food and beverage outlets pre-security in International Terminal will be closed. Select operators remain open pre-security in the Domestic Terminal on Level 3 (food court) and Level 1 as well as Hudson News.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 19, 2020, 9:58 AM
Xiamen, Sichuan, Air China, Hainan, China Southern and China Eastern have all operated to YVR this week and some more than once weekly. This one flight per week rumour doesn’t seem to be true.
CX, JL, BR, NH, NZ, AM and KE cargo have also been operating regular flights to YVR.

nname
Apr 19, 2020, 7:02 PM
Xiamen, Sichuan, Air China, Hainan, China Southern and China Eastern have all operated to YVR this week and some more than once weekly. This one flight per week rumour doesn’t seem to be true.
CX, JL, BR, NH, NZ, AM and KE cargo have also been operating regular flights to YVR.

Only 1 flight/week is bookable through airline website. Not sure what the others are... cargo-only? charter? repatriation?

Most of these flights to China had been marked as sold out till at least mid-May or early June, and the ones that aren't only have a few seats left at full fare...

Johnny Aussie
Apr 19, 2020, 8:50 PM
Only 1 flight/week is bookable through airline website. Not sure what the others are... cargo-only? charter? repatriation?

Most of these flights to China had been marked as sold out till at least mid-May or early June, and the ones that aren't only have a few seats left at full fare...

Don’t know. Just saying the Airlineroute article wasn’t accurate. MF is flying in both directions as we speak for example and with their regularly scheduled flight numbers.

Also Cargojet has had two 763 freighters to NRT over the last two days.

WestCoastEcho
Apr 19, 2020, 10:36 PM
Only 1 flight/week is bookable through airline website. Not sure what the others are... cargo-only? charter? repatriation?

Most of these flights to China had been marked as sold out till at least mid-May or early June, and the ones that aren't only have a few seats left at full fare...

I believe cargo only. I'm hearing a lot of airlines are flying cargo only flights with passenger aircraft, with either packing the bellies of the aircraft full of air cargo, which has seen a massive spike in demand, or are taking out seats in the main cabin and loose loading light packages in the main cabin along with packing the bellies full.

nname
Apr 19, 2020, 10:44 PM
Don’t know. Just saying the Airlineroute article wasn’t accurate. MF is flying in both directions as we speak for example and with their regularly scheduled flight numbers.

Also Cargojet has had two 763 freighters to NRT over the last two days.

I searched for information for MU581 and MU582 on the Chinese side. They are now listed under "Cargo Flight"

jollyburger
Apr 20, 2020, 4:09 AM
Only 13 international flights were scheduled to arrive at the airport Friday: seven from the U.S., two from Hong Kong, and one each from Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines and Mexico.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-over-100-quarantined-at-hotels-after-b-c-screens-international-arrivals/

jollyburger
Apr 20, 2020, 4:13 AM
I believe cargo only. I'm hearing a lot of airlines are flying cargo only flights with passenger aircraft, with either packing the bellies of the aircraft full of air cargo, which has seen a massive spike in demand, or are taking out seats in the main cabin and loose loading light packages in the main cabin along with packing the bellies full.

On the YVR blog of a cargo filled cabin. Looks like a pain to net everything down.

https://www.yvr.ca/-/media/images/cargo-only-flight.png

https://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2020/why-does-yvr-remain-open

officedweller
Apr 20, 2020, 5:40 AM
And a long time, especially to balance weight in the plane

Johnny Aussie
Apr 21, 2020, 8:35 AM
Right now the following airlines flying intl routes are in the air to or from YVR.

CX, BR, 3U, NH, AC, CZ.