Canadian City Proposals II

[Xelebes]

This is a continuation of the previous thread (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210353). Please proceed.

[Hawrylyshyn]

64 Main St East | 54 m | 18 fl | Hamilton, ON - Huge improvement over the previous (cancelled) proposal (see spoiler)

https://i.imgur.com/ArAeRjT.png
https://i.imgur.com/VznqmSG.png


https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/64ma-jpg.360908/

[MonkeyRonin]

I like this mid-rise proposal to replace an auto mechanic in Toronto - 211 Gerrard East:

https://i.imgur.com/8TOHtZo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9fudogN.png
https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2023/10/car-repair-mid-rise-rental-cabbagetown-south.54234



80-82 Bloor St. West - 78 stories, 250 metres:

https://i.imgur.com/UpMai0T.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7NUqMki.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZNUBAuJ.jpg

[hipster duck]

I like this mid-rise proposal to replace an auto mechanic in Toronto - 211 Gerrard East:

https://i.imgur.com/8TOHtZo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9fudogN.png
https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2023/10/car-repair-mid-rise-rental-cabbagetown-south.54234

Great little proposal for that very forlorn strip of Gerrard. That whole area - anything along Gerrard east of Jarvis, west of Parliament - has to be the part of downtown that has seen the fewest changes. It's like a time warp to the year 2002.

[Nouvellecosse]

^ Yes looks like a great project. The style/colours/materials combo is perfect for Toronto.

[TorontoDrew]

Hullmark and BGO's Beltline Yards

Source: urbantoronto.ca

Address 250 Bowie Ave, Toronto, Ontario, M6E 2R9
Category Residential (Market-Rate Rental), Commercial (Retail, Industrial), Public Space / Park
Status Pre-Construction
Number of Units 1946
Developer Hullmark, BentallGreenOak
Architect Allies and Morrison
Landscape Architect SvN

Seems they are going for an Industrial feel here.

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/articles/2023/10/54125/54125-164385.jpg

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[O-tacular]

I really dislike the random colour blocks and rooftop peaks. Makes it look very 90's in a bad way. Sorta reminds me of Calgary's Eau Claire market.

https://curiocity.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Untitled-design-20-2-1255x600.png

[TorontoDrew]

I'm not seeing it. That Cineplex is a tacky play on 1950's that should never have left the suburbs.

[905er]

Hullmark and BGO's Beltline Yards

Source: urbantoronto.ca

Address 250 Bowie Ave, Toronto, Ontario, M6E 2R9
Category Residential (Market-Rate Rental), Commercial (Retail, Industrial), Public Space / Park
Status Pre-Construction
Number of Units 1946
Developer Hullmark, BentallGreenOak
Architect Allies and Morrison
Landscape Architect SvN

Seems they are going for an Industrial feel here.

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/articles/2023/10/54125/54125-164385.jpg

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/articles/2023/10/54125/54125-164387.jpg

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/articles/2023/10/54125/54125-164386.jpg

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/53350/53350-163586.png

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/53350/53350-163583.png


These are offensive.. gross. ...but somehow, I think they look like they'll turn out better once built.. but still...eeesh.

[MonkeyRonin]

I really dislike the random colour blocks and rooftop peaks. Makes it look very 90's in a bad way. Sorta reminds me of Calgary's Eau Claire market.

https://curiocity.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Untitled-design-20-2-1255x600.png


It is very 80s/90s inspired - clearly part of the PoMo revival of the last few years - but to say that it's bad because it reminds you of the Eau Claire mall is like saying the Chrysler Building is ugly because it's reminiscent of that tacky Vegas casino. One is of an actual architectural style, the other is the pastiche version.

[niwell]

I'm curious about replacement of the industrial use (Canada Goose Factory) onsite - that's a lot of employment. Been a bit out of the loop on this but I'd guess that intensification next to higher tier transit can take precedence over protection of employment lands? Imagine this is a pretty long-term vision. As far as these master planned communities though there does seem to be more thought put into the layout.

The residential blocks to the South will be an awkward transition but a lot harder to assemble land.

[WhipperSnapper]

Housing next to higher capacity transit can apply for carte blanche in case the city, which, IMHO, isn't anti large scale intensification by any means, puts up a stink.

There's easily over a hundred of these multi-tower transit community masterplans. I'm not going to speculated how many will get started. I doubt too many will be fully completed. It's the 20 year plus build out time vs public interest for real resolutions that address affordability.

It may be a good thing to have a number of these build their initial phases but, then pause a while and hope for better

[WhipperSnapper]

Yeah not Eau Claire Market although I've seen a lot of garbage compared to quality with vague design references over the years on the forums so whatever

Here's a built comparable in London by the firm

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4820478,-0.1244374,3a,75y,288.02h,89.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0BqM9m8txSCgsmefKn6rxQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D0BqM9m8txSCgsmefKn6rxQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D184.26866%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en-US&entry=ttu

[Maldive]

East Harbour | 214.2m | 65s | Cadillac Fairview | Adamson l site demolition

Site demolition of the huge East Harbour site. Applications for the first residential towers rumoured to be on their way which is logical given the sorry state of the office market.

15 commercial and residential towers in total and a new GO transit hub are planned here.

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/_n8a2345-jpeg.516684/
mburrrrr (https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/_n8a2345-jpeg.516684/)
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KPF are design architects for the commercial component (which won’t see the light of day for some time ;-).

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/48350/48350-145281.jpeg
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West Don Lands: Blocks 17 & 26 | 141m | 43s | Aspen Ridge | Core Architects l pre-construction

This one is now in front of the Design Review Panel (a site plan approval application was filed in June). Aerial of the site (see specific site in orange in the 2nd image below).

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/_n8a2347-jpeg.516527/
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61 Brownlow | 195.1m | 59s | Menkes | Turner Fleischer l pre-construction

Resubmitted as two 59 storey towers. Podium brick looking rather like a photocopy of COBE’s Canary Landing (West Don Lands). Nearly 1500 residential units near the corner of Eglinton East and Mount Pleasant.

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/46065/46065-164572.jpeg
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[WhipperSnapper]

Skyscrapers incorporating heritage facades for their bases. I'm not surprised by the change in course. I'm just disappointed. The pedestrain realm are promising. Of course, they omit the towers; not one feature tower but a complex of towers

59 storeys on Brownlow?!?

That must have local homeowners losing their minds.

[TorontoDrew]

I'm just happy those old Foundry buildings are still there. One was under demolition until local residents blocked the bulldozers and stopped the destruction. I don't recall which one but the backside of one was completely demolished.

Also thanks for sharing this link ( https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4820...n-US&entry=ttu ) Clearly that architecture firm has a style and I think it looks amazing.

source: https://www.generalprojects.com
https://www.generalprojects.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/CGI-garden--768x512.jpg

source: https://assets.savills.com
https://assets.savills.com/properties/GB0010L10106/b194500d8d55987a0b66eef0c18c765e-mc33116421hr_l_gal.jpg

source: https://d2hxw1celoutbe.cloudfront.net
https://d2hxw1celoutbe.cloudfront.net/media/filer_public_thumbnails/filer_public/80/97/8097fcda-98b4-4694-bd0f-2b68e3c5d4c1/10827_keybridge_external_v01_hi_res_copy.jpg__800x800_q85_crop_subsampling-2_upscale.jpg

[WhipperSnapper]

speaking of, I don't think I've seen renderings for this unbuilt concept.

https://www.alliesandmorrison.com/projects/yorkville


I only recall this rumoured on UT as a Kingsett development. Of course, Kingsett manages real estate growth funds than developing property.

[hipster duck]

Ah, the elusive Cumberland Terrace, a black hole for proposals!

[TorontoDrew]

I wonder why that site has so much trouble coming up with a proposal that sticks. It has everything going for it. Few developments can offer direct Subway and not to mention it's Yorkville path network connection with direct access to the Line 1 subway as well.

[hipster duck]

I wonder why that site has so much trouble coming up with a proposal that sticks. It has everything going for it. Few developments can offer direct Subway and not to mention it's Yorkville path network connection with direct access to the Line 1 subway as well.

I think it might be the challenge of building on top of an active subway line. If I'm not mistaken, line 2 runs directly under Cumberland Terrace.

[TorontoDrew]

I think it might be the challenge of building on top of an active subway line. If I'm not mistaken, line 2 runs directly under Cumberland Terrace.

I was thinking the same thing so I just took a look and the subway runs under the block north of Cumberland Terrace.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1pA9QiFf4yTIPBTUoZ_Uq6qnuMog&hl=en&ll=43.670647874833385%2C-79.38836808357826&z=19

[WhipperSnapper]

In the early years, tenant buyout clauses weren't worth it than Kingsett bought it and their interests are to grow wealth in the fastest and cheapest way possible.

I can't say if Kingsett is still a part of the ownership group. Their go to buyer that actually develop these properties was Cresford.

[kool maudit]

It's very Toronto to have this dismal postwar bunker carrying the name of such a famous Georgian landmark.

https://www.meisterdrucke.ie/kunstwerke/500px/Unbekannt_Unbekannt_-_Cumberland_Terrace_1827-28_designed_by_John_Nash_(1752-1835)_Regents_Park_London_-_(MeisterDrucke-506531).jpg

[WhipperSnapper]

All things considered, there's a lot in North America named after British and European landmarks. Surely situations like this, coincidential or purposeful, are more common than one would think.

American cities do have much older built environments than Toronto but, the post war growth is arguably huge compared to the turn of the 20th century industrialization. We view the junk from the Deco era differently than the junk of the Modernist era.

[Maldive]

Weston Park Development | 172.13m | 50s | Castlepoint Numa | SvN l recommended for Approval

Two mixed-use towers (50 and 45 storeys) with more than a 1,000 residential units now recommended for approval.

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/45992/45992-152908.jpeg
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QueenChurch | 185.9m | 57s | Tridel | Rosario Varacalli l site demolition

Site demo underway. 7 storeys taller than HPA's 88 Queen Street u/c right next door.

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/screenshot-2023-10-31-at-6-10-57%E2%80%AFpm-png.516875/
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Yonge at Wellesley Station | 129.2m | 41s | Plaza | BDP Quadrangle l excavation soon

The demolition of the former Catholic Children’s Aid building was completed more than 3 years ago… and the first excavator has just arrived on site. Plaza is notoriously slow.

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/img_1873-jpeg.517016/
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The Yonge subway runs under the parking lot in the rendering below (I think ;-).

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/39422/39422-134050.jpeg
UT (https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/39422/39422-134050.jpeg)


171-175 Lowther Avenue | ?m | 11s | Gabriel Fain Architects l pre-construction

An rather odd midrise proposed for the Annex nabe. The fins may be a nod to neighbouring Uno Prii-designed apartment buildings nearby.

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/gabriel-fain-architects_lowther-1_laurier-verd-jpg.515077/
UT (https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/gabriel-fain-architects_lowther-1_laurier-verd-jpg.515077/)


40 Walmer Road l ?m l 35s l 2114778 On Ltd l Turner Fleischer l pre-construction

Inspired architecture from TF as usual ;-). Bound to get a haircut but a new architect would be preferrable.

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/1698910070595-png.517152/
Northern Light (https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/1698910070595-png.517152/)
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Northern Light (https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/1698910612895-png.517160/)

Just north of this 38 Walmer Road development.

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/48806/48806-146818.jpeg
UT (https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/48806/48806-146818.jpeg)

[Nouvellecosse]

^ I love the Lowther Avenue project. That is definitely my jam, assuming that the materials turn out well.

[WhipperSnapper]

Tridel is a safe bet shoring rigs are on their way

[niwell]

Yeah the Lowther proposal looks great to me. Yonge-Wellesley on the other hand… goddamn that has to be one of the laziest podium/tower interactions for a major intersection. Also replacing a decent sized apartment as well as low-rise buildings (at least if I’m looking at the right lot)

[WhipperSnapper]

No clue what was demolished.

That 9 storey PoMo Wellesley building to the north has only 15 to 20 units. I'm surprised some 500 unit beast hasn't been proposed yet to replace it

Lowther is okay. Prii towers are more elegant and, unfortunately for this tower, this is his territory. I like the podium more than the tower. Still, the podium fenstration is too random.

[niwell]

My mistake - was thinking of the lot to the north. I’m sure that will go soon unfortunately! That does put the scale of the podium in a bit more context but it’s still somehow less grand than any of the neighbouring walkup apartments (which I also hope we don’t lose).

[WhipperSnapper]

Won't lose is a complex answer as any redevelop will undoubtedly consider keeping the facades of the walk ups and, for some, that counts.

Then there's a proposal is just a drawing. The city is awash with proposals. 20% of them being built is optimistic and that number declines the higher the height threshold.

[yaletown_fella]

The Walmer proposal would look better without the staggered windows and if it was entirely brick (with wraparound brick balconies on the eastern section) to simplify the massing.

[Maldive]

Tridel is a safe bet shoring rigs are on their way

You're correct.

Tridel's schedule says shorings and excavation for QueenChurch in January (after demo).

[WhipperSnapper]

Construction appears to be progressing so darn slow city wide making predictions a crap shoot. There's 80 towers that could be completed before spring 2024. Every new one helps.

[TorontoDrew]

My only issue with the Lowther proposal is that we will be losing 3 really nice older homes.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6682764,-79.4070789,3a,75y,181.5h,102.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syBMdgblNsVPI6NrXn_GojA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

[Maldive]

141 Roehampton | 186.3m | 58s | Lifetime | Wallman Architects l pre-construction

So after receiving pushback from the city, the proponent resubmitted… 10 storeys taller lol. Presumably some of the city’s complaints were addressed(?).

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410 Sherbourne | ?m | 42s | Sorbara | Graziani + Corazza l recommended for Approval

This one recommended for approval 3 storeys taller.

39 storey version:

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/46627/46627-139190.jpg
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1233 Queen East | 32.39m | 8s | Core Development | Studio JCI l recommended for Approval

This one will look better than the render with Studio JCI at the helm. Rentals and retail.

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/pln-architectural-plans-architectural-plans_1233-queen-st-e-7a-jpg.513536/
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8 Camden | ?m | 19s | Lamb Dev Corp | a—A l recommended for Approval

This one recommended for approval 2 storeys taller.

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[WhipperSnapper]

Camden is one of the streets in which intensification has delivered a consistent built form. 19 storey sticks out like a sore thumb.

[LikesBikes]

Perhaps I'm part of the problem for not posting on here but where did all the proposals from cities other than Toronto go?

[WhipperSnapper]

new threads were started in an attempt to repair the forum issues.

Why so much Toronto? well, Toronto has a shitload of proposal and every single one is cataloged on Urbantoronto.ca. It's as simple as copying and pasting than finding an external host, uploading them and then copy and paste.

[Martin Mtl]

The sheer number of Toronto's proposals is so overwhelming that any post from other cities gets drowned. I, for one, stopped posting proposals from Montreal because it seemed to just go unnoticed and forget as soon as it is posted. The situation is completely understandable since Toronto's proposals probably account for 90% of proposed projects in the country.

It's not a problem unless you're trying to find out about other cities' proposals, then you have to go through pages upon pages of TO projects to get a glimpse of what's going on elsewhere.

Maybe the solution, seeing that this situation will not change anytime soon, would be to actually create a dedicated thread for Toronto's proposals and another one for the rest of the country. This way, if someone is interested in finding out what goes on outside Toronto, they could do it more quickly and easily. Just a suggestion.

[Nouvellecosse]

Maybe the solution, seeing that this situation will not change anytime soon, would be to actually create a dedicated thread for Toronto's proposals and another one for the rest of the country. This way, if someone is interested in finding out what goes on outside Toronto, they could do it more quickly and easily. Just a suggestion.

That could work. Also, when I'm trying to find out about a specific project or city I just look in the diagrams or maps section. I only use this or other compilation threads when i just want to see whatever happens to be happening where ever it might be. When you find projects in the maps or diagrams section it also links to the project thread in the development section. So there's a few different options available.

[WhipperSnapper]

That may be necessary but I hate that idea.

Alternatives to singling out a metro

Concerted effort to not repost Toronto area proposals
A dedicated site prep/advancement thread

And, the one that may have the most impact as Toronto proposals get more attention
A separate rendering thread plus this one.

[hipster duck]

That may be necessary but I hate that idea.

Alternatives to singling out a metro

Concerted effort to not repost Toronto area proposals
A dedicated site prep/advancement thread

Part of the reason why Toronto proposals flood this page is just the facts: Toronto just has so many more proposals than other cities, and they’re meticulously documented on UT.

But I also sympathize with posters from other cities because a lot of proposals in Toronto get resubmitted, revised, work their way through the approvals process, which in Toronto could involve so many milestones like site plan approval, being submitted to the OLT, etc, and every time a milestone is cleared the same proposal is reposted to this thread.

And, beyond that, a lot of Toronto proposals go nowhere. A lot of them are just zoning flips. A lot of them are approved but don’t proceed to construction.

I agree with having a separate thread where site prep is the threshold for posting. If you did, you’d drastically cut down the number of Toronto proposals to just the ones that will be built as rendered.

[Martin Mtl]

part of the reason why toronto proposals flood this page is just the facts: Toronto just has so many more proposals than other cities, and they’re meticulously documented on ut.

But i also sympathize with posters from other cities because a lot of proposals in toronto get resubmitted, revised, work their way through the approvals process, which in toronto could involve so many milestones like site plan approval, being submitted to the olt, etc, and every time a milestone is cleared the same proposal is reposted to this thread.

And, beyond that, a lot of toronto proposals go nowhere. A lot of them are just zoning flips. A lot of them are approved but don’t proceed to construction.

I agree with having a separate thread where site prep is the threshold for posting. If you did, you’d drastically cut down the number of toronto proposals to just the ones that will be built as rendered.


+1

[TorontoDrew]

Would that not just trickle down to other cities as well? Other cities would then have to post the same way as well which would defeat the purpose. Toronto will still dominate in sub forums, there is no way to get around it other then just creating a ROC thread and a separate Toronto thread but nobody would want that.

[LikesBikes]

I for one wouldn't mind separating the cities out. Just like there's different pages for the skylines maybe there could be one for proposals too - i.e. big city proposals (TOR, MTL, VAN) and medium city proposals.

[ScreamingViking]

I'm not sure there's a solution to this, other than to suck it up and either post more updates for other cities or for readers to ignore/gloss-over the Toronto summaries. E.g., if there's a not-Toronto thread, will there be posts that say things like "this one in Ottawa/Edmonton/where-ever is so much like THIS building in Toronto"? And then Toronto pics ensue.

We have two skyline threads and the one to "post some pictures of your city" but I find they tend to bleed into each other. And the local sub-forums factor in as well.

And as we often see, thread intentions and content change as conversations evolve. There's nothing wrong with that, but without much moderator vigilance and intervention, I think separate proposal threads are doomed to fail. One of the great things about this forum, to me, is the light-touch the moderators tend to have and I'd not want to see that change.

[WhipperSnapper]

Proposals are interesting but, I don't take as much stock in them as other do. The construction thread is more balanced with occasional representation from cities that no longer appear in this proposal thread. Still, extract the GTA updates and the construction thread is a massive failure with no more than 1 in 5 high rises being built getting any coverage

I hate the idea of splitting these threads. It might be a necessity to increase coverage however, I feel the success rate of it working longer term will be low.

I have an obsessive compulsion for complete sets. That includes a complete list of built Canadian high rises. I think I have that narrowed down to new construction and demolition. More updates, the better

[Maldive]

After this I'll try and avoid posting in the thread until the latest round of complaints are sorted and a new strategy appears. Hope that helps (remain bewildered by this website's name ;-).


240 Adelaide West | 219m | 63s | Freed | AS + GG l sales centre u/c

This got a 20 metre haircut from the city (down to 199m/60s) but they've resubmitted back to the original 219m height along and added a 117 room hotel. New renderings:

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/screenshot-2023-11-06-175022-png.518407/
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34 Maitland | 183m | 56s | Hazelview | Turner Fleischer l pre-construction

This one has been resubmitted 5 storeys shorter with a greater setback from the retained heritage elements.

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494 Richmond East | 119m | 35s | 2073628 Ontario Limited | Sweeny &Co l pre-construction

A zig-zag land assembly but good news that all these residential units are proposed to be rentals (not sure what the affordable percentage is).

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/53385/53385-160591.jpeg
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[TorontoDrew]

After this I'll try and avoid posting in the thread until the latest round of complaints are sorted and a new strategy appears. Hope that helps (remain bewildered by this website's name ;-).


240 Adelaide West | 199m | 60s | Freed | AS + GG l sales centre u/c

Even though this got a 20 metre haircut from the city, thanks to a small footprint this still soars. New renderings:

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachments/screenshot-2023-11-06-175022-png.518407/



This is a nice surprise, how many versions before this have we seen? It's got a very Chicago 80's vibe.

[Maldive]

Here's a suggestion:

My personal metric for a Skyscraper is 150 metres or taller.

How about a thread for "Skyscraper Proposals (150m+)"

Though it would likely still be dominated by Toronto proposals... it can of course be ignored and still capture the skyscraper missing middle between Proposals and Tallest Proposals.

So something like 240 Adelaide posted above would land in the Skyscraper Proposals thread.

This ought to de-clutter the Proposals thread quite a bit ... a thread called Skyscraper Proposals on a website called SkyscraperPage seems reasonable no? :???:

[hipster duck]

34 Maitland | 183m | 56s | Hazelview | Turner Fleischer l pre-construction

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/50938/50938-164891.jpeg

I haven't seen this one before and I like it.

It's giving off 90s PoMo vibes, but at heights we never saw in 90s PoMo residential outside of Manhattan or Chicago.

I appreciate the form, the symmetry and the materials.

[yaletown_fella]

I haven't seen this one before and I like it.

It's giving off 90s PoMo vibes, but at heights we never saw in 90s PoMo residential outside of Manhattan or Chicago.

I appreciate the form, the symmetry and the materials.

I also appreciate the accented rectangular columns between the podium and cantilever, as opposed to the oversized round concrete columns which have become a signature of slap-dash condo developments of the past decade.

[ScreamingViking]

Here's a suggestion:

My personal metric for a Skyscraper is 150 metres or taller.

How about a thread for "Skyscraper Proposals (150m+)"

Though it would likely still be dominated by Toronto proposals... it can of course be ignored and still capture the skyscraper missing middle between Proposals and Tallest Proposals.

So something like 240 Adelaide posted above would land in the Skyscraper Proposals thread.

This ought to de-clutter the Proposals thread quite a bit ... a thread called Skyscraper Proposals on a website called SkyscraperPage seems reasonable no? :???:

I think you have something here! :tup:

[TorontoDrew]

I agree, lets do it, break off the high-rise portion of this. So This proposal page we are currentley on would be any proposal up to 149.9m, anything taller would go into the highrise proposal page.

[Coldrsx]

This is a nice surprise, how many versions before this have we seen? It's got a very Chicago 80's vibe.

Reminds me of the MB board game 'Presidential Hotels'.

[YYC1954]

https://engage.calgary.ca/riverwalkwest

Calgary’s Riverwalk West competition winner was announced today.

[Innsertnamehere]

This one is just short of the 150m list in Hamilton, being 147m tall. New Tallest for the city recommended for approval at council by planning staff - we'll have to see if they approve it.

Interestingly, although it's 20 metres taller than the city's existing tallest building, it will sit at an elevation exactly 20 metres lower.. meaning that geodetically it will be the same height.

https://i.imgur.com/q4Fuz54.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/i7ZDuyG.jpg

[Maldive]

[QUOTE=Innsertnamehere;10077230]This one is just short of the 150m list in Hamilton, being 147m tall. New Tallest for the city recommended for approval at council by planning staff - we'll have to see if they approve it.

Interestingly, although it's 20 metres taller than the city's existing tallest building, it will sit at an elevation exactly 20 metres lower.. meaning that geodetically it will be the same height.

https://i.imgur.com/q4Fuz54.jpg

Last time I was down here the neighbourhood was awash with "Stop the Tower" signs... bet there's a very loud NIMBY voice trying to nix approval of the tower.

I also noticed almost all the infrastructure for the project is already largely in place (streets, mini-piazza and promenades on the water etc)... surrounding vacant land.

Hope they at least start on the mid-rise community elements (designed by KMPB I think). Could be great.


Below, probably the only thing I've even liked from Kirkor (not that it will turn out like the renders lol).

Reside on Richmond | 59.9m | 18s | Originate | Kirkor Architects l pre-construction

Raptors star Scotty Barnes lending his name to this along with input on a state-of-the-art sports simulator room and a promise he’ll live here lol. With Scotty’s name attached… presumably the retail space will be occupied by SUBWAY ;-).

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[Dwils01]

New 108 Unit Apartment building being built in Sault Ste. Marie at 110 Pim Street. First render I've seen of this building.
https://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/sootoday/images/development/110pimsaldanconstructiongroup.jpg;w=960;h=640;bgcolor=000000

https://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/sootoday/images/development/20231109110pimstreetdevelopmentka02.jpg;w=960;h=640;bgcolor=000000

Sits on the former site of Tara Hall apartments.
Tara Hall was the oldest apartment building in Sault Ste. Marie when fire struck on Nov. 2, 1987. It was boarded up and left vacant, eventually leaving behind only the foundation.
Source: https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/work-begins-on-108-unit-apartment-building-behind-algonquin-hotel-7811305

[WhipperSnapper]

The ground floor is partially underground. I wonder if its two storey units or all parking.

This will come down to the stucco accents. Also, these developments look alot better with similar street hugging neighbours. I don't get that vibe in the photos.

[yaletown_fella]

Hopefully theres an effort to make the lintals look real and not obviously glued on pieces of EIFS on top of what I assume to be precast brick. Results could really vary a lot depending on execution.

The grassy hill between the building and street dosen't help. One could argue there was a missed opportunity to add retail to animate the street, but theres probably not enough of a retail demand there to begin with to justify paying the rent a new commercial unit.

[TorontoDrew]

Here is a small 9 storey infill project on Charles street in Toronto.

Source: urbantoronto.ca


Talk about blocking the views of the balconies on that condo to the right.
https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/53991/53991-163194.jpeg

[niwell]

The tacked on Edwardian shell is unfortunate but the scale of that is great.

[kwoldtimer]

The tacked on Edwardian shell is unfortunate but the scale of that is great.

At least it's not just the front facade stuck on the front of the tower.

[Maldive]

Forêt | 139.26m | 41s | Canderel | BDP Quadrangle l Approved(?)

Asked for (and got) more height here on all 3 towers, now 41, 37 and 35 storey mixed-use rentals and condos.

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[Coldrsx]

Phase 2 of The Parks in Downtown Edmonton
https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5610AQHrFVfieQ_4ew/image-shrink_1280/0/1699653605265?e=1700337600&v=beta&t=tEnBuWnIM7R5JvWOycwzXY4d0alCoE1yuZnZL7J5K2g
https://www.linkedin.com/company/maclab-development-group/?miniCompanyUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniCompany%3A18016750&lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_feed%3B%2FzP0JOtfQZqaw5Cm3U3PmQ%3D%3D

[MonkeyRonin]

Here is a small 9 storey infill project on Charles street in Toronto.

Source: urbantoronto.ca


Talk about blocking the views of the balconies on that condo to the right.
https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/53991/53991-163194.jpeg


Good scale, decent if unremarkable architecture, and an example of facadism done reasonably well in contrast to the one next door - the volume of the tower is set back from the existing building giving it some room to breath (and maintains more than just one or two exterior walls), and it maintains the existing width & scale rather than absorbing it into a borg-like monstrosity.

I wish we could have thousands of these instead of the typical tower podium + spandrel slab/point-tower model...like these ones, which on the other hand are just horrible. Bad architecture and even worse built form:

Forêt | 139.26m | 41s | Canderel | BDP Quadrangle l Approved(?)

Asked for (and got) more height here on all 3 towers, now 41, 37 and 35 storey mixed-use rentals and condos.

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/30470/30470-137732.jpeg

[WhipperSnapper]

It still looks like a facadectomy. Just demolish the house. Although it is just a rendering. Streetview would be different. I prefer this built form too however, because of its narrowness the number of units per floor is paramount to know.

I can't see anyone building a 9 storey building among the towers here. IIRC, tower separations start to come into play going taller with the this. However, should be able to squeeze in a narrow 150 metre tower assembling these two houses.


I can't figure out where Foret is.

The Parks looks very grey. There's not a lot of glass and it's Hariri Pontarini. Definitely curious on the finished cladding.

[Martin Mtl]

A 200 rooms hotel will be build adjacent to the big O, where the StarCité multiplex is now located. The 17-screens cinema will be downsized to only 6 screens.

Architects: Provencher_Roy

https://i.postimg.cc/Kj238s6B/temp-Image-Aj-CHc-Z.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/kg1SvsSP/temp-Image-EOm-Cjr.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/pd3ngdk0/temp-Imageh-Kc-Zb-I.jpg

[Coldrsx]

Love that design and integration.

[WhipperSnapper]

totally agree.

Only thing is, at least in the renderings, it seems hard to get to and, more importantly, to leave. That is, if the drop off isn't underground

[Martin Mtl]

Le Cardinal - student residence - Griffintown - Architects: ACDF.


https://i.postimg.cc/KzL2hPtK/temp-Imagedbl-Ddl.jpg

Will be build here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4966845,-73.5611585,3a,75y,39.28h,83.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGeweIbFyrQq-7dezd0Gung!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

[Martin Mtl]

TRIFECTA - A 3 towers project next to the Tour des Canadiens 2 and 3. The first tower (the one on the left with a slightly slender roof) is 36 stories (120 meters) and excavation is under way. It's a rental. I suppose the design of the other two are not finalized yet.
Architects: Zeidler architecture - NEUF architectes

https://i.postimg.cc/ncHhqhyy/temp-Image-CI0uig.jpg

[J.OT13]

Love that hotel next to the Big "O".

Proposal on Ottawa's Scott Street, across Westboro Station (Transitway being converted to rail). Scott has a long lineup of proposed, approved, u/c and completed TOD towers.

All the latest renderings (Oct 2023)

http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%20Referencing_Site%20Plan%20Application_Image%20Reference_2023-10-19%20-%20Design%20Brief%20-%20D07-12-23-0019.PDF

https://i.imgur.com/8VrHfoZ.png

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[905er]

Love that hotel next to the Big "O".

Proposal on Ottawa's Scott Street, across Westboro Station (Transitway being converted to rail). Scott has a long lineup of proposed, approved, u/c and completed TOD towers.

This looks promising... but then again it's Ottawa and Ottawa doesn't exactly have the best track record with building aesthetically pleasing towers. Fingers crossed though.

[WhipperSnapper]

The towers aren't bad lookin'. Similar commonplace Ottawa nonitecture. The 6 storey podium wall facing Scott ( presumably) with the gold accent frames are great. Those glass protruding boxes above them just don't fit.

4 elevators. Either a nice luxury or these are really small units. **edit oh, they are actually around 40 storeys. At a glance, I thought they were closer to 30 storeys

[TorontoDrew]

Le Cardinal - student residence - Griffintown - Architects: ACDF.


https://i.postimg.cc/KzL2hPtK/temp-Imagedbl-Ddl.jpg

Will be build here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4966845,-73.5611585,3a,75y,39.28h,83.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGeweIbFyrQq-7dezd0Gung!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

You didn't even need to say this was in Griffontown, it looks like so many buildings already there.

[giallo]

Much needed hotel space proposed on the corner of Granville and Davie St. in downtown Vancouver.

https://i.imgur.com/PAM6Yt1.png

https://i.imgur.com/aGFtVNg.png

[Nouvellecosse]

^ Oh that one is beautiful!

[Tone]

Rimouski - 20 and 16 units - got underway yesterday
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53333037394_0c62940d99_b.jpg
https://journallesoir.ca/2023/11/14/un-projet-de-36-logements-debute-sur-lavenue-ross/

[TorontoDrew]

I wonder why they chose to put so few balconies on this?

[TorontoDrew]

Much needed hotel space proposed on the corner of Granville and Davie St. in downtown Vancouver.

https://i.imgur.com/PAM6Yt1.png

https://i.imgur.com/aGFtVNg.png

This looks really nice, and ya Vancouver does need more hotel space.

[TorontoDrew]

1117 Queen West

Source urbantoronto.ca

Address 1117 Queen St W, Toronto, Ontario, M6J 3X7
Category Residential (Condo), Institutional (Community Centre)
Status Pre-Construction
Number of Buildings 1
Height 336 ft / 102.40 m
Storeys 29
Number of Units 272
Developer Queen Street Post Inc
Architect Giannone Petricone Associates
https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/54484/54484-165154.jpeg

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/54484/54484-165155.jpeg

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/54484/54484-165157.jpeg

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/default/files/images/projects/54484/54484-165156.jpeg

This is a really good architecture firm that has mainly done low and mid rise designs so far. https://www.gpaia.com/

[Tone]

I wonder why they chose to put so few balconies on this?

Right! The drawing shows the Arthur-Buies Boulevard side, a fairly busy main artery, so i suspect most of the balconies will be on the opposite side facing the inner court.

[TorontoDrew]

Thanks Tone. That makes sense.

[Nouvellecosse]

That Queen St. project looks very interesting. Although it gives me more of a College St. vibe than Queen St. for some reason.

But I like that it looks more Dutch or Danish than typical Canada condo. Not that I'd want everything to look like that but some variety is nice.

[zoomer]

That Ottawa proposal looks really good- I can’t think of a city that would love to have that. Of course it may not turn out as promising as the rendering or as lively at street level. Just once in my life I’d like to see a Vancouver or Victoria rendering with snow in it, even just for comedic effect. Or moody rain. It’s always sunny (not in Philadelphia).

I find it more interesting than the Vancouver hotel proposal, but that looks good as well. Assuming the Air BnB regulations are effective there will be a hotel building boom in BC. In the meantime there will be a lot of grumpy non-hotel tourism folks complaining about the lack of places for visitors to stay.

Yah, that Queen St. W looks cool and iconic as long as the quality is impeccable, otherwise it’ll look like a tin can. It has a speaker vibe - must be a catchy nickname somewhere in there.

[vanman]

Just once in my life I’d like to see a Vancouver or Victoria rendering with snow in it, even just for comedic effect. Or moody rain. It’s always sunny (not in Philadelphia).


Here's one. 320 Granville.

https://i.imgur.com/WrmF5fR.jpg

[zoomer]

/\ great find! Even looks to be Vancouver Slushy Snow ™️.

[Metro-One]

Its odd the things you become nostalgic for after living away for a decade.

I have only visited in the summer months since moving away, but I actually at times want to experience a dark rainy winter day and a classic Vancouver slush fest again.

[WhipperSnapper]

Another tower growing out of a low rise in Toronto

I can't take this proposal seriously. It's like 20 floors too tall. The neighbourhood context plan calls for taller towers along the rail corridor with the shortest (9ish storeys) on Queen. The planning context plan is not a Night Fury given all development up to this proposal has followed it. I don't see the exciting design swaying panels. Also, as far as I know, the site sold at a price with a 12 storey development (again, can't leave the post office alone) in mind.

Re: Vancouver hotel

It's a glass tower with some detailed mullions thrown in the mix. I don't see a whole lot design. It appears as curtain wall however, 70% of it is spandrel glass.

[TorontoDrew]

Another tower growing out of a low rise in Toronto

I can't take this proposal seriously. It's like 20 floors too tall. The neighbourhood context plan calls for taller towers along the rail corridor with the shortest (9ish storeys) on Queen.


It's only 8-9 storeys taller then several condos around it.

[suburbanite]

It fronts directly onto Queen West though. This is a very odd proposal, I don't even know where they would fit parking.

The scale of the existing building fits nicely onto that stretch of Queen and with the open public space behind it. I think this one's very unlikely.

[Innsertnamehere]

there is no parking proposed, to be clear.

[WhipperSnapper]

Anyways, cool design except for the post office integration. They tried but, it still doesn't work as in I would prefer it without the post office. Also, I'm totally over corrugated metal cladding. It was different when the George Brown waterfront campus was erected. Now, I see these houses everywhere with prefab shed quality panels (with exposed screws and all the associated dings and dents and it makes me appreciate taupe stucco with vinyl white trim and I hate that shit. It's also reminscent of the sheet metal panels added to the tops of deteriorating modern era brick slabs in the 1980s to the early 2000s

[shappy]

The Queen proposal is visually interesting and I find it actually works well within the context but it's too tall. The tower portion would look better (and more appropriate) if it was no taller than 12 storeys. Way too dominating at its proposed height.

[niwell]

If you're going to integrate the post office it would look cooler if it were fully cantilevered over with as much of the existing building exposed as is (elevator cores notwithstanding). They are pretty close with the design but could go further. Tower itself looks cool but needs to be chopped down in height - that's pretty overbearing for the area and right next to a park, even if it isn't on the shadowed side. While we're at it let's give that park a redesign (though it's surprisingly busy).

[WhipperSnapper]

It's only 8-9 storeys taller then several condos around it.

taller towers towards the rail corridor. Even 200 Sudbury on a tight triangular lot steps down to Queen. I could be wrong but, I think the developer would not have done the terraces or fewer of them if it was their choice

https://www.zumper.com/apartment-buildings/p992433/200-sudbury-st-skale-bay-street-corridor-toronto-on

[WhipperSnapper]

If you're going to integrate the post office it would look cooler if it were fully cantilevered over with as much of the existing building exposed as is (elevator cores notwithstanding). They are pretty close with the design but could go further. Tower itself looks cool but needs to be chopped down in height - that's pretty overbearing for the area and right next to a park, even if it isn't on the shadowed side. While we're at it let's give that park a redesign (though it's surprisingly busy).

I think it's the core you mentioned the abruptly cuts off the post office facade that ruins the attempt. This would have worked if they had recreated a seamless brick facade for the core giving the illusion of a fully cantilevered tower.