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thurmas
Feb 22, 2023, 2:12 PM
Feel free to discuss

goodgrowth
Feb 22, 2023, 2:23 PM
When Alberta struck oil and Winnipeg struck "wait why we are living here"?

Coldrsx
Feb 22, 2023, 2:55 PM
When Winnipeg went all in on Sears and horse rigging.

J.OT13
Feb 22, 2023, 3:02 PM
Winnipeg's decline started with the opening of the Panama Canal, when it lost importance as a rail hub. This event is what propelled Vancouver to surpass Winnipeg.

The Great Depression further stunted the city's growth and it never fully recovered.

Acajack
Feb 22, 2023, 3:11 PM
Thurmas: Lookin' for love in all the wrong places

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIuryZ8JUJM

thurmas
Feb 22, 2023, 3:12 PM
I would say the 1970s oil boom was the final nail in the coffin and Calgary and Edmonton never looked back.

OldDartmouthMark
Feb 22, 2023, 3:13 PM
Surpass in what way? Was there a competition that I missed?

When was it apparent that apples would surpass oranges? :)

Coldrsx
Feb 22, 2023, 3:43 PM
As part of this... Calgary started pulling away from Edmonton in the late 70s, with 1988 solidifying that move.

GoTrans
Feb 22, 2023, 4:34 PM
1. Manitoba doesn't have much oil.
2. Manitoba only has 1 mountain, Riding Mountain National Park whereas Alberta has many more thus creating tourist demand.
3. CF18's maintenance contract granted to Bombardier in Montreal instead of Bristol Aerospace in Winnipeg
4. Aviation improvements allow for flights over Winnipeg which rendered previous maintenance facilities unnecessary.
5. Mosquitos, Winnipeg has to spray them, unlike Calgary
6. Floods, The Red and Assiniboine Rivers flood almost every year unlike Calgary where floods are infrequent.

esquire
Feb 22, 2023, 4:40 PM
In some respects it's kind of wild that Winnipeg has reached the population level that it has... 841,000 in the CMA and closing in on a million.

Given the huge growth steadily pulling people away to Ontario, BC and Alberta pretty well since WWII, it's very easy to imagine a Halifax or Saskatoon sized Winnipeg.

Drybrain
Feb 22, 2023, 5:14 PM
In some respects it's kind of wild that Winnipeg has reached the population level that it has... 841,000 in the CMA and closing in on a million.

Given the huge growth steadily pulling people away to Ontario, BC and Alberta pretty well since WWII, it's very easy to imagine a Halifax or Saskatoon sized Winnipeg.


Indeed, but Winnipeg had already surpassed 200,000 people before the Depression, due to the boom of the preceding few decades, whereas Saskatoon and Regina were less than one-quarter of that. Incumbent's advantage, I imagine. (Halifax was about half of that, at100,000 people, so midway between the Saskatchewan's cities and Winnipeg--where interestingly it still is today).

MolsonExport
Feb 22, 2023, 5:24 PM
Feel free to discuss

I think it was all the fault of Quebec separatism.

Calgary and Edmonton surged passed Winnipeg around the time that Montreal was eclipsed by Toronto?

Coincidence? I think not.

:youmad:

Architype
Feb 22, 2023, 5:34 PM
When did it become apparent Calgary and Edmonton would surpass Winnipeg?

Feel free to discuss

It was all related to Okotoks and oil, Calgary surpassed Winnipeg around 1963.
When oil was discovered in Turner Valley in 1914, Okotoks quickly became a regional oil distribution centre. It earned the title "Heart of the Oilfields" because equipment stopped on the rail line in Okotoks before completing its road journey to Turner Valley.

The economic upturn came in the late 1970s.

Between 1963 and 1970.

whatnext
Feb 22, 2023, 7:13 PM
It was all related to Okotoks and oil, Calgary surpassed Winnipeg around 1963.


Between 1963 and 1970.

But when did Okotoks surpass Maple Creek?

MonctonRad
Feb 22, 2023, 7:53 PM
It was all related to Okotoks and oil, Calgary surpassed Winnipeg around 1963

There are just too many darn things to do in Okotoks. Winnipeg couldn't compete.

Calgary is closer to Okotoks therefore got all the benefits from this association.