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waterloowarrior
Aug 9, 2017, 2:45 PM
Charlesfort is back!

http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__APHMO7

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGy0ztjV0AAULU6.jpg

McC
Aug 9, 2017, 3:02 PM
speaking of gap filling (picking up from the Cycling thread); streetview: https://goo.gl/maps/3YWLn7EGR7H2

cr872190
Aug 9, 2017, 3:22 PM
Well that's disappointing. Was looking forward to seeing what Charlesfort was up to next.

McC
Aug 9, 2017, 3:26 PM
A handsome building for a vacant lot on a downtown street that badly needs some love, at a scale that is likely to be built sooner rather than later. I don't see anything to be disappointed about.

FutureWickedCity
Aug 9, 2017, 3:43 PM
Finally!!!! I think this lot has been deserted for my entire 39-year old life. Nothing runs down a block like a big, empty void. Doesn't help when the building next door is candidate for fugliest building in the city (anyone remember "Sweater ConTEMPOrararies"? lol). Nice to see the revitalization of Gladstone ongoing.

cr872190
Aug 9, 2017, 5:10 PM
A handsome building for a vacant lot on a downtown street that badly needs some love, at a scale that is likely to be built sooner rather than later. I don't see anything to be disappointed about.

As someone who is in the market for a condominium purchase in the next 2-4 years, I was not hoping for some narrow, awkwardly designed 'stacked townhomes'. The units only access is three open air staircases on the back of the building, and each come with a rather small balcony. Charlesfort's other buildings have had some beautifully and well thought out layouts.

And as an avid fan of development, I would selfishly like Charlesfort's designs to dominate our skyline.

McC
Aug 9, 2017, 5:35 PM
The units only access is three open air staircases on the back of the building.
I beg your pardon?
The façade of the development is divided into four (4) sections punctuated by three (3) enclosed stairways that provide access to each unit.

cr872190
Aug 9, 2017, 5:43 PM
I beg your pardon?

https://i.imgur.com/scaK1vZ.png

You are forgiven.

bradnixon
Aug 9, 2017, 5:55 PM
https://i.imgur.com/scaK1vZ.png

You are forgiven.

It looks like there is an error in that image. The rendering clearly shows, and the planning rationale specifically states, that the front staircases are enclosed. Only the secondary rear staircases are exterior.

Norman Bates
Aug 10, 2017, 12:23 AM
No elevator means I'm out.

Urbanarchit
Aug 10, 2017, 3:21 AM
No elevator means I'm out.

It would be better to have one for accessibility and moving furniture, but considering the height and size, this is likely a Part 9 building in the OBC, meaning that standards for accessibility and fire safety are not going to be as strict as Part 3 buildings. The cost of the elevator and it's maintenance split across 18 units might be a bit too high... Walking up to the second or third floor isn't too strenuous though. It's like walking up to the second floor of a house.

I'm disappointed there won't be retail on the street. Isn't Gladstone zoned to allow for retail? There are some spots nearby with stores - why couldn't this one include it? Obviously, the floorplan and accessing the units would be completely different, but this looks... cheap?

waterloowarrior
Aug 10, 2017, 7:56 PM
I think it's a Building/Fire Code reference related to sprinkler requirements. Opening can also mean windows and doors.

unfinite
Aug 11, 2017, 4:05 PM
It would be much better with some ground floor retail, but I'm happy with any work getting done in the neighbourhood. I don't know who would want a long skinny ground floor condo anyway. Should be retail.

Looks like a modern version of this monstrosity (https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.4083701,-75.6968089,3a,90y,324.45h,88.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sG95l486rx8R_f-6stz8qdA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DG95l486rx8R_f-6stz8qdA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D309.62732%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) just three streets over on Arlington:

http://i.imgur.com/Dx2p4Wh.png

Which is actually being torn down at the moment to construct this much better building: (http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__003SPU)

http://i.imgur.com/u8rp2ty.jpg

Urbanarchit
Aug 11, 2017, 7:55 PM
It would be much better with some ground floor retail, but I'm happy with any work getting done in the neighbourhood. I don't know who would want a long skinny ground floor condo anyway. Should be retail.

Looks like a modern version of this monstrosity (https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.4083701,-75.6968089,3a,90y,324.45h,88.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sG95l486rx8R_f-6stz8qdA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DG95l486rx8R_f-6stz8qdA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D309.62732%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) just three streets over on Arlington:

http://i.imgur.com/Dx2p4Wh.png

Which is actually being torn down at the moment to construct this much better building: (http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__003SPU)

http://i.imgur.com/u8rp2ty.jpg

I saw this happening and was really sad. The proposed building is really bleak/ uninteresting, while the original one as actually quite beautiful if you were to remove the giant boxes and revealed the original building behind.

FutureWickedCity
Aug 11, 2017, 8:21 PM
'80s renos were the worst!!! Gawd what were they thinking. The only thing they built well in the 80s was condos

waterloowarrior
Oct 14, 2017, 5:49 PM
http://thepullman.ca/

http://thepullman.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/logo_pull.png

Jayday23
Oct 16, 2017, 6:33 PM
2 bedrooms starting in the 390's. Very well priced IMO.

Jayday23
Mar 30, 2018, 10:23 PM
Excavation is just about to start on this one. They're currently bringing in equipment.

Jayday23
Apr 25, 2018, 6:52 PM
Excavation has started. They're currently 1 level below the surface right now.

JHikka
May 29, 2018, 8:22 PM
May 29, 2018
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/901/42388345212_aa4ec645a6_h.jpg
flickr, my photo

J.OT13
Aug 17, 2018, 5:42 PM
Posted in the wrong thread a few days back. Past by the site on Saturday. Wood frame and particle board is up.

I was surprised by the fact it was a wood framed building, but after I checked the price, starting at $404,000 for 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms, it makes sense. Very affordable for Centretown, and Charlsfort!

danishh
Aug 17, 2018, 7:58 PM
there's a lot still unsold though. Realtor.ca has 14 units up and the charlesfort website has 11 as unreserved. (18 units total in the building). Not sure why there's a discrepancy there either.

I think the walk-up nature might be scaring people away.

Urbanarchit
Sep 12, 2018, 10:44 PM
Progress update

https://i.imgur.com/9Oa2ktM.jpg?1

Davis137
Sep 13, 2018, 1:58 PM
The location and the overall design of this project suits that area of town. It will be nice to see what it looks like when it has the exterior fascias installed.

JHikka
Sep 13, 2018, 2:04 PM
The location and the overall design of this project suits that area of town. It will be nice to see what it looks like when it has the exterior fascias installed.

It's a nice in-fill project. It would be nice to see Gladstone gentrify a bit and become a better, more dense east-west connection between Elgin and Bronson. The section between Bank and Bronson currently is...blah.

waterloowarrior
Oct 24, 2019, 4:21 AM
Photo - Matt Richling
https://www.mattrichling.com/pullman-flats-509-511-515-gladstone-ottawa-centretown-condos-for-sale

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/534c8a1fe4b0259491342174/1568831338659-F73U8Z9788ZYWDT13ILZ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCHChmuivJZ1Va5ov3ZJeg17gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0ouw-8l5B_J38LMU7OZFvYcSGirBhY_3j1yQtntvGS73bypqQ-qjSV5umPUlGbQFAw/_DSC0098.jpg?format=1000w

OTSkyline
Oct 24, 2019, 2:52 PM
The black windows are beautiful. those god-awful stairways though... ISSSSHHHH

They look like huge mechanical penthouses or AC units :yuck:

J.OT13
Oct 24, 2019, 3:45 PM
That is terrible!! I would not expect such a blatant disregard of the original vision from Charlesfort. Very disappointed.

Photo - Matt Richling
https://www.mattrichling.com/pullman-flats-509-511-515-gladstone-ottawa-centretown-condos-for-sale

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/534c8a1fe4b0259491342174/1568831338659-F73U8Z9788ZYWDT13ILZ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCHChmuivJZ1Va5ov3ZJeg17gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0ouw-8l5B_J38LMU7OZFvYcSGirBhY_3j1yQtntvGS73bypqQ-qjSV5umPUlGbQFAw/_DSC0098.jpg?format=1000w

Charlesfort is back!

http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__APHMO7

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGy0ztjV0AAULU6.jpg

waterloowarrior
Oct 24, 2019, 6:14 PM
night view from http://thepullman.ca/
http://thepullman.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/PULLMAN.web_.PIC2SIZED.jpg

bartlebooth
Oct 24, 2019, 9:23 PM
night view from http://thepullman.ca/
http://thepullman.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/PULLMAN.web_.PIC2SIZED.jpg

I live near this building and walk by it regularly. It is very hostile. I have always found Charlesfort projects to be very poorly integrated into the fabric of the city. There is a lot of disrespect to the urban environment in which they sit.

Glenlivet Ave
Oct 24, 2019, 9:41 PM
The price point for these units may have hinted to the fact that the material selection wasn't going to be stellar. My issue with the building is the lack of setback from the sidewalk as much as the metal slats that should have been glazing or possibly wood slats.

Urbanarchit
Oct 24, 2019, 11:33 PM
This is a real letdown. I was happy that this lot would be developed, though I wished they included some retail along the street. But instead of windows but having beige blinders for the staircases is really shitty. I don't think there's anything good about this project, and the street interaction is quite poor... :yuck:

Harley613
Oct 25, 2019, 1:20 AM
It's a very bizarre design. It always grabs my attention when I drive by, and not in a good way. The stairways look like ventilation towers for a data centre or hydro station or something along those lines.

Kitchissippi
Oct 25, 2019, 1:42 AM
Black laser-cut or wrought metal grilles with a Frank Lloyd Wright-ish motif would have looked sharp instead of those ugly louvres

kwoldtimer
Oct 25, 2019, 2:50 AM
Black laser-cut or wrought metal grilles with a Frank Lloyd Wright-ish motif would have looked sharp instead of those ugly louvres

Don't know about FLW-ish, but yes, absolutely. I don't know why we're not seeing more of this.

Urbanarchit
Oct 25, 2019, 3:00 AM
Black laser-cut or wrought metal grilles with a Frank Lloyd Wright-ish motif would have looked sharp instead of those ugly louvres

Do you mean like a decorative privacy/ sun screens?
There's a building on O'Connor that has a decorative screen with concrete blocks:
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4182564,-75.6961341,3a,41.3y,62.48h,90.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stk3Vpkmf1d6AZTGtsXMBxQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Anything would be better than these louvres, I guess. If only they went with a better design from the beginning.

Who was the architect behind this project?

OTSkyline
Oct 25, 2019, 7:19 PM
Wait, so is this a wall or are there windows? Or is it open to the elements?

If so, this isn't very practical for our climate... Rain and snow would likely seep in during winter/spring... I mean, I guess it's better than nothing, but why not just close it off?

Kitchissippi
Oct 25, 2019, 7:32 PM
Do you mean like a decorative privacy/ sun screens?
There's a building on O'Connor that has a decorative screen with concrete blocks:
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4182564,-75.6961341,3a,41.3y,62.48h,90.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stk3Vpkmf1d6AZTGtsXMBxQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Anything would be better than these louvres, I guess. If only they went with a better design from the beginning.

Who was the architect behind this project?

I was thinking this kind of thing:

https://www.oxworks.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Laser-Screen-Slider7.jpgoxworks.com

or

https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB14hnMXR1D3KVjSZFyq6zuFpXa0/decorative-white-color-indoor-aluminum-laser-cut.jpg_350x350.jpg

waterloowarrior
Oct 25, 2019, 11:27 PM
This is the company that did the drawings according to the site plan documentation from the City... Buchan Lawton Parent – building envelope consulting engineers

http://www.blp.ca/Welcome.html
http://thepullman.ca/features-specifications/

Interesting notes on the plans...
-the stairwells are exterior exits clad in open fixed louvers with > 50% open air, therefore no fire alarm system required under OBC
-these are classified as stacked towns and exempt from barrier free requirements of OBC


https://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__APHMO7

movebyleap
Oct 27, 2019, 5:51 AM
What an unfortunate building. I thought those were ventilation shafts of some sort.

Mille Sabords
Nov 1, 2019, 12:54 AM
That is terrible!! I would not expect such a blatant disregard of the original vision from Charlesfort. Very disappointed.

Absolutely horrible. Hope that's the last we see of Charlesfort. They've outstayed their welcome. This is like a middle finger at the whole city.

McKellarDweller
Nov 1, 2019, 12:18 PM
This is like a middle finger at the whole city.
Still doesn't register on the middle-finger scale of Andaz, though!

CityTech
Nov 1, 2019, 2:40 PM
At the least the Andaz provided the city with an awesome rooftop hangout.

waterloowarrior
Nov 2, 2019, 12:11 AM
Walked by last night...it looks better at night with the lighting in the stairwells. But seems a bit too close to the sidewalk and feels like you are looking at the back of the building.