Future skyline

[urban_planner]

Hey everyone
I am wondering if there are any people out there who are good with photoshop and could do a photo shopped skyline with bella towers finished as well as all the phases of the Royal Connaught Project?

Thanks

[the905sDW]

I use Photoshop for a living - I have a lot of 3D mockups of conceptual buildings I've posted in the "if you were a developer" forum. I'd love to mock up something of all of the current project approved/built/being built. The thing with this is that these projects don't have that much height compared to whats already up there. The Connaught would be the tallest of the ones to be built. City Square - the taller one to be built will be more noticeable as well. The Hilton I find from most angles doesn't really appear like much unless right down there by it. Bella might be more noticeable as well. I'll see what I can do though. :D

Hey everyone
I am wondering if there are any people out there who are good with photoshop and could do a photo shopped skyline with bella towers finished as well as all the phases of the Royal Connaught Project?

Thanks

[Beedok]

I have one on sketchup, but my laptop can't run it too well. I posted a pic somewhere though.

[urban_planner]

I have one on sketchup, but my laptop can't run it too well. I posted a pic somewhere though.

Do you have any idea where it was?

[c@taract_soulj@h]

Despite Hamiltons size and skyline...I always tend to chuckle when I hear "future skyline" for this town only because nothings really changed since 1991.

That said, I'm quite pleased with the amount of development downtown right now...finally...so if anyone was to make a future skyline attempt for the Hammer, it'd be appreciated!

I still love Al Frisinas quote (guy who built Landmark Place) saying no other building will be built in Hamilton taller than Landmark Place because as he puts it; 'the demand's not there and nobody's crazy enough to do it.'

[thomax]

I posted this in the Future Canadian Skylines thread a few months ago. Some of the proposals have changed a bit since then.

Just using paint, I filled in most of the major projects in downtown Hamilton that will have a big impact on the skyline.
All of the buildings, except two, have either been approved or are under construction. The two buildings that have not
yet been approved, should be, when the full plan is revealed within the next 2 months.

http://i49.tinypic.com/33wmowh.png

http://i50.tinypic.com/xepggg.png

*The location for the 44 floor tower has not been released yet, but it is rumored to be built on the location of what is currently Sir John A.
MacDonald Secondary School, so that is where I put it.


Photos Taken By: Jaybird | Posted On: skyscrapercity.com (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1596751) | Edited By Me


And here is Beedok's rendering.
A rendering of Hamilton I'm working on. Green is under construction, blue is proposed. Everything else exists. I still have a fair number of buildings left to add, but I've got all the major proposals and construction projects in at this stage and I'm not sure how clear they'll be later, so I thought I would post.
http://i.imgur.com/gga63Sr.png

[urban_planner]

Thanks guys, if that new carmens hotel is buils and all the phases of the Royal Connaught get built thouse along would really change up the skyline!

[Beedok]

Thanks for finding that. It is obviously missing a good chunk of existing stuff, but it gives the view well enough.

[johnnyhamont]

I think this came from the Urban Design document as part of the Conolly development application:
http://i.imgur.com/ZC7JLbH.jpg

[ScreamingViking]

They put the Connaught in the wrong place. It should be behind Landmark Place (maybe just partly blocked)

[matt602]

Yeah, thats way off. They put it in between CIBC and the Piggot building for some reason. The artizen building would also be just to the right or slightly in front of the Stelco tower.

[thomax]

I think my future skyline renders are the most up-to-date ones right now...

http://i.imgur.com/FSavJ6W.jpg
source (http://imgur.com/a/sLbpb)

http://i.imgur.com/MFXbc5H.jpg
source (http://imgur.com/a/sLbpb)

Large Size:

http://i.imgur.com/b5LbwVw.jpg
source (http://imgur.com/a/sLbpb)

[thomax]

I made a new future skyline rendering in Google Earth. There are a few developments that I still have to add, but here's what I have so far...

Red = Proposed
Green = Approved
Orange = Under Construction/Site Preparation

http://i.imgur.com/ekAqYbW.jpg
Source: Google Earth/My Render

http://i.imgur.com/gxnVX1m.jpg
Source: Google Earth/My Render

http://i.imgur.com/wRzQLR5.jpg
Source: Google Earth/My Render

http://i.imgur.com/9KDHoSO.jpg
Source: Google Earth/My Render

http://i.imgur.com/Ww0HwvC.jpg
Source: Google Earth/My Render

http://i.imgur.com/YiUpqBL.jpg
Source: Google Earth/My Render

[davidcappi]

I really don't think it's worth adding in the Hamilton Hammer to these renderings. That was literally a napkin sketch from years ago and doesn't hold much validity.

[thomax]

I'm including every development that hasn't been officially cancelled, still has a thread, and is still moving forward in some way. Even if the renders are old and we know the development is getting a redesign, I'm keeping the most current design in as a placeholder basically.

[davidcappi]

I'm including every development that hasn't been officially cancelled, still has a thread, and is still moving forward in some way. Even if the renders are old and we know the development is getting a redesign, I'm keeping the most current design in as a placeholder basically.

I get that, but it's not often that developments get an official cancellation.

[HillStreetBlues]

I'd forgotten about the Hamilton Hammer building, so when I looked at these was wondering what that interesting building was. Absent that, there's nothing with really interesting massing that's been proposed. I don't think Hamilton's skyline is likely to get much more exciting (I think it's a pretty good skyline as it is, now).

My most usual view of the downtown is from the west, and the last significant addition to that view wound up being a pretty boring stucco job. Maybe the views from the escarpment will be improved if the Connolly happens, and by the Tivoli which might look nice from afar.

[davidcappi]

I don't think having an impressive skyline is nearly as important as how the city feels from it's streets. I do however think that our skyline is incredibly diverse, and will only get more diverse as things are built up.

[HillStreetBlues]

I don't think having an impressive skyline is nearly as important as how the city feels from it's streets.

I agree strongly with this. And, for all some people lament about the relatively poor skyline Hamilton has, I never fail to be impressed by it when returning to the city. It really does look like a 'big city' from a far to me. And then, of course, most neighbourhoods even downtown are incredibly hostile to people on foot, and wide inner-city expressways make coherent street walls impossible.

[Scarface]

I don't think having an impressive skyline is nearly as important as how the city feels from it's streets. I do however think that our skyline is incredibly diverse, and will only get more diverse as things are built up. I agree strongly with this. And, for all some people lament about the relatively poor skyline Hamilton has, I never fail to be impressed by it when returning to the city. It really does look like a 'big city' from a far to me. And then, of course, most neighborhoods even downtown are incredibly hostile to people on foot, and wide inner-city expressways make coherent street walls impossible.

I think unless the city was design for walking, and cycling as primary, and driving as secondary modes of transport people tend to be less hostile towards Pedestrians. Unfortunately (in my eyes anyway) Hamilton has not been built as being pedestrian friendly. I've seen some cities that where once very hostile toward pedestrians now are actually turning around to becoming more walking, and cycling friendly. I don't think Hamilton could, or would make the same changes these cities are making, and have made. I've seen a lot of development going on in Canada with a lot of European influences within the last 5-10 years. (Europe being for the most part very pedestrian, and cyclist friendly)

[Beedok]

3-D scan at last! :D

(I swear I was just on google maps and it wasn't showing up as 3-D though...)

A for walkability, Hamilton is an easier city to fix than some. Just lower speed limits a little and widen some sidewalks and you're there. Apart from places where geography is an issue there's no real serious problems (no 10 lanes streets and parkways cutting the city up).

[davidcappi]

I wasn't referring to walkability, but that is definitely important. What I meant was that you're only viewing the city skyline maybe 5% of the time, if you're going up or down the mountain or down the 403. 95% of the time you're viewing the city looking up from the streets, so I care more about how these buildings look when I'm looking up at them.

[ScreamingViking]

I think unless the city was design for walking, and cycling as primary, and driving as secondary modes of transport people tend to be less hostile towards Pedestrians. Unfortunately (in my eyes anyway) Hamilton has not been built as being pedestrian friendly. I've seen some cities that where once very hostile toward pedestrians now are actually turning around to becoming more walking, and cycling friendly. I don't think Hamilton could, or would make the same changes these cities are making, and have made. I've seen a lot of development going on in Canada with a lot of European influences within the last 5-10 years. (Europe being for the most part very pedestrian, and cyclist friendly)

There's no stopping the city from "could". The "would" is the relevant question re: current city council (which may just surprise us all... I like how Green and Johnson have been strong voices, and how Bürgermeister Eisenburger has been a calm consistent force... even Terry's Hair seems to have seen the light re: a safer mountain access for cyclists)

[johnnyhamont]

Out of interest, what are all the proposals for future 30-storey buildings? If all these get built, there should e a few skyline gaps filled in nicely.
-TV City X 2
-Liuna at Hughson St X 2
-Spalacci on John and St Joseph X 3
-Corktown plaza X 2
-Connaught
-71 Rebecca
-George St

I count 7 projects totalling 12 towers. Any others I'm missing (Stinson ones don't count of course)?
If all 12 30-storey towers are built, that will more than double the number of 30-storeys in Hamilton wouldn't it?

[CaptainKirk]

Out of interest, what are all the proposals for future 30-storey buildings? If all these get built, there should e a few skyline gaps filled in nicely.
-TV City X 2
-Liuna at Hughson St X 2
-Spalacci on John and St Joseph X 3
-Corktown plaza X 2
-Connaught
-71 Rebecca
-George St

I count 7 projects totalling 12 towers. Any others I'm missing (Stinson ones don't count of course)?
If all 12 30-story towers are built, that will more than double the number of 30-storoeys in Hamilton wouldn't it?

We could potentially have to worse skyline consisting of a slew of uniform, 30 storey slabs across the downtown.

Get rid of the 30 storey limit, and have appropriate criteria for the street/neighbourhood. Some may include more than 30, and some less.

[King&James]

The waiting is the hardest part. Don't forget Vranich and Mac superblock - King Bay George Caroline.

[thomax]

I merged a couple renderings of Métro City Condos (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=228215) and Corktown Commons (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=233472) to see what those 5 towers would look like all together...

https://i.imgur.com/eQH1wRT.jpg


Original Photos:

https://i.imgur.com/cL8yNBc.jpg
source (https://metro.urbanshare.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/15.Visual-Impact-Assessment.pdf)

https://i.imgur.com/A0Mqpea.jpg
source (http://www.gspgroup.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Urban-Design-Brief.pdf)

[King&James]

^^^^^^ love the renders, well done

[thomax]

thanks :cheers:

[davidcappi]

Great work! I believe from that vantage point 22 George will also be visible at 32 stories just behind Regency. Platinum Condos may also make an appearance from this angle.

[LRTfan]

awesome work....this is Hamilton's grow-up moment...sadly we have the wrong folks at city hall. Still. But expect some hard-fought court cases in the hopes of these types of needed projects proceeding. From this angle you'd also see whatever ends up getting built on the Connolly site, and TV City.

[johnnyhamont]

Out of interest, what are all the proposals for future 30-storey buildings? If all these get built, there should e a few skyline gaps filled in nicely.
-TV City X 2
-Liuna at Hughson St X 2
-Spalacci on John and St Joseph X 3
-Corktown plaza X 2
-Connaught
-71 Rebecca
-George St

I count 7 projects totalling 12 towers. Any others I'm missing (Stinson ones don't count of course)?
If all 12 30-storey towers are built, that will more than double the number of 30-storeys in Hamilton wouldn't it?

Update, now that Corktown and 71 Rebecca proposals have gone kaput, John and St Josephs will be in the 20-25 storey range, and George St is (more-or-less) completed:

-TV City X 2
-Liuna at Hughson St X 2
-Connaught
-Mac at King and Bay
-Connolly
-Vranich at King and Caroline
-John and Wilson x 3
-CityCentre (5x28 storeys??)

That makes 16 new 30-ish-storey towers. Anyone got skyline renders that incorporate some or all of these?

[ScreamingViking]

I posted this in a different thread (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229615&page=2) but it should probably go here.

Our skyline, circa Dec 2000, from a Spec175 reflection on amalgamation. Looks like it was taken from the escarpment edge along Hwy 8, where it bends north toward Greensville.

I figure this will be a good comparator... even today there are several towers that have altered the look. There wasn't much change visible from afar before The Regency went up 5 years ago.

https://images.thestar.com/bk_Bo3nCE2GwP2q38cvxvB4qn78=/1086x710/smart/filters:cb(1634766313936)/https://www.thespec.com/content/dam/thespec/life/local-history/spec175/2021/10/23/city-of-hamilton-amalgamation/new_city.jpg
Source (https://www.thespec.com/life/local-history/spec175/2021/10/23/city-of-hamilton-amalgamation.html)

[Innsertnamehere]

Hamilton’s skyline went basically unchanged from the 80’s till only a few years ago. It’s almost odd how the skyline hasn’t been covered in glass condos yet, to the point where glass condos are almost welcomed as providing variety over today.

[ScreamingViking]

Hamilton’s skyline went basically unchanged from the 80’s till only a few years ago. It’s almost odd how the skyline hasn’t been covered in glass condos yet, to the point where glass condos are almost welcomed as providing variety over today.

And early 1980s at that. The last "major" addition before the current wave of tower construction was probably Ellen Fairclough; the Commerce Place twins came later but didn't make the same kind of impact, as they were either hidden behind EF from the west or backed by it from the east. Same goes for the Sheraton, being so close to 100 King W./Stelco Tower.

According to the database here, one of the taller apartment buildings downtown went up in 1984 too, the Martinique, but it kind of blends into the Durand mass. In that 2000 image I think it's the slab second from the right (the far right one should be Bay 200)

[urban_planner]

I here is a shot taken a little further east at Sydenham Lookout but it gives an idea of the changes. I'm working on something to show the changes from a couple of other spots. If someone can embed this for me that would be great.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVa31XnFAjQ/?utm_medium=copy_link

[TheHonestMaple]

I here is a shot taken a little further east at Sydenham Lookout but it gives an idea of the changes. I'm working on something to show the changes from a couple of other spots. If someone can embed this for me that would be great.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVa31XnFAjQ/?utm_medium=copy_link

https://i.imgur.com/dYTlmgb.jpg

[SteelTown]

Our planning office’s 3D model of downtown #HamOnt really captures the housing growth of the past couple of years. This is the model in 2020 vs. 2023 (green = approved; orange = application; blue = built or under construction)

2020
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4ky4IzX0AAYAjX?format=jpg&name=medium

2023
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4ky4ItWoAAO2d2?format=jpg&name=large

Source: https://twitter.com/JasonThorne_RPP

[urban_planner]

I wish that green one would get its crap together.

[ScreamingViking]

I didn't know the city has one of those.

The one on the ground floor of Toronto city hall is amazing.

[matt602]

This one should also be in a more accessible place, not tucked away in the corner of someone's office as I'm assuming it is.

[Innsertnamehere]

IIRC its in the lobby of the planning departments office level by their help desk (which I don't believe they have even opened since COVID still).

I haven't been up there since early 2020, but it was there then - not sure if its moved.