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MGB
Feb 14, 2012, 11:53 PM
The architect, Martineau Inc., and owner (Association des enseignantes et enseignants franco-ontariens -- AEFO) presented their plans for developing the site at 250 Montreal Road, in a public forum on February 13.

Details are available at:
http://www.vaniernow.blogspot.com/2012/02/new-face-on-montreal-road-update-on-250.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fs-mtxH9KWM/Tzpi79NNyiI/AAAAAAAAANo/NIPbNm9Qtfs/s1600/250_Montreal_AEFO_Martineau_Vanier_Ottawa_maquette_drawings_rendering_plan_architecture_vaniernow.jpg

What the site looks like now:
http://www.vaniernow.blogspot.com/2012/02/development-250-montreal-road.html

One additional article from Le Droit:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-droit/actualites/ville-dottawa/201202/13/01-4495610-un-projet-immobilier-transformerait-le-coeur-de-vanier.php

rocketphish
Feb 15, 2012, 2:06 AM
7 Floors each... not bad.

Here are the parcels involved:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7191/6878665741_f97b251313_b_d.jpg

Uhuniau
Feb 15, 2012, 2:34 AM
7 Floors each... not bad.

Here are the parcels involved:


Will be good to see the vacant lot go! Not so sure about losing the two smaller buildings though. Ottawa is seriously losing a lot of small-business incubator space. If the city is expecting, wanting, and needing the private sector to make up for the impending fedgov cuts, that's a bad thing. We need small, old, ratty, commercial and industrial spaces. Lots of them. We're losing them. Lots of them.

Uhuniau
Feb 15, 2012, 2:35 AM
Also, I hope they find some way of not building the pedestrian bridge.

Like, by not building a pedestrian bridge.

reidjr
Feb 15, 2012, 12:28 PM
Will be good to see the vacant lot go! Not so sure about losing the two smaller buildings though. Ottawa is seriously losing a lot of small-business incubator space. If the city is expecting, wanting, and needing the private sector to make up for the impending fedgov cuts, that's a bad thing. We need small, old, ratty, commercial and industrial spaces. Lots of them. We're losing them. Lots of them.

Sure it hurts to lose commercial space but a building this that will hold 500 workers in phase one that is very good news.

gjhall
Feb 15, 2012, 3:24 PM
Also, I hope they find some way of not building the pedestrian bridge.

Like, by not building a pedestrian bridge.

Sorry if you explained this earlier, but why?

Luker
Feb 15, 2012, 6:32 PM
Just a guess. But look at the pedestrian cross at Rideau St., it simply is out of context, ruins the streetscape, and natural view/and flow of the street. I don't think Uhunian is against pedestrian bridges in general. However, this one in particular is in a location that doesn't really demand or require its implementation/use.

Further if one is a condo building and one is mainly a building for the union, what is the great need of having these permanently attached via a large pedestrian bridge spanning a smaller road in an area that is not particularly dense.

gjhall
Feb 15, 2012, 8:55 PM
Just a guess. But look at the pedestrian cross at Rideau St., it simply is out of context, ruins the streetscape, and natural view/and flow of the street. I don't think Uhunian is against pedestrian bridges in general. However, this one in particular is in a location that doesn't really demand or require its implementation/use.

Further if one is a condo building and one is mainly a building for the union, what is the great need of having these permanently attached via a large pedestrian bridge spanning a smaller road in an area that is not particularly dense.

Woops, I missed that design detail, I thought Uhunian was talking about the Sandy Hill-Vanier pedestrian bridge. Gotcha.

kevinbottawa
Feb 21, 2012, 1:33 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yffeVXiWTWM/T0LzzqImTMI/AAAAAAAABhI/X8I6Sbube7c/s640/Place+Vanier.jpg

Low-scale plans for new office building in Vanier get thumbs-up from community

By Maria Cook, The Ottawa Citizen February 20, 2012 6:18 PM

OTTAWA — In a rare effort to blend into the neighbourhood, a new office building planned for Montreal Road in Vanier will have seven storeys, even though the zoning would allow 11 storeys.

“We respected the building sizes in the area by not overpowering them,” says Benoît Mercier, president of the Franco-Ontarian teachers association (AEFO), which is building the $25-million project.

“We felt not maximizing the available space was something important to residents. It’s important to maintain our good reputation. We want to be good corporate citizens.”

Rideau-Vanier Councillor Mathieu Fleury says “underzoning” is unusual at city hall.

Often developers aim to build bigger and higher than bylaws allow. This trend in recent years has led to heated opposition to infill that is seen as out-of-scale and out-of-character with existing neighbourhoods.

“Eleven storeys wasn’t needed and it wouldn’t fit,” says Fleury.

“That recognition was received with open arms from the community. It shows a form of respect for the neighbourhood. We received tons of positive feedback from residents on how it looks.”

The mixed-use building, to be called Place Vanier, is designed with seven storeys plus a mechanical penthouse. It will have ground-floor retail and offices above. It includes two levels of underground parking with 100 spaces. The AEFO will occupy one or two floors and rent the rest.

They hope to start construction by June and move in December 2013 to their new headquarters.

“The fact they did not seek to maximize the square footage allowed is quite rare and we were very appreciative of their reasoning,” says Jevan Nicholas, president of the Vanier Community Association.

“They wanted their building to be in scale with the street. That shows a lot of thought and consideration. It wasn’t motivated exclusively by the bottom line. They wanted it to really integrate.”

Montreal Road, the commercial strip for Vanier on Ottawa’s east side, is for the most part two-to-three-storey buildings and parking lots, but in the immediate vicinity there are office and residential buildings that range from four to six storeys.

“The scale of that street didn’t really accommodate an 11-storey building,” says Ottawa architect Paul Martineau.

“It would have been kind of foreign. We decided to bring it down to seven storeys. We think it makes more sense ... as opposed to more of a tower that dominates the skyline.

“All zoning setback and height requirements were adhered to,” he says.

The project makes financial sense too, says Martineau, who is in a joint venture with Smith Carter Architects. “We’ve done our due diligence on the whole accounting; how much it costs to put a building up. It all works.”

Martineau acknowledges that the outcome would likely have been different if the proponents were real estate developers, instead of teachers. “If a developer owned that site, yes you would probably see maximization,” he says.

The Association des enseignantes et des enseignants franco-ontariens (AEFO) represents 10,000 teachers in 450 French schools and organizations in Ontario.

The building will be designed for environmental sustainability to a Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) Gold standard. Among the features is a green roof.

There will be a treed park on the south side. “We wanted to preserve some green space around the building,” says Martineau. “We didn’t want parking right up to the building.”

On the exterior, in addition to glass there will be concrete panels in a terracotta colour to tie in with red-brick buildings on the street. The main entrance is on Montreal Road, where the sidewalk will be widened and trees planted.

“We were trying to find some imagery that would complement the function,” says Martineau. “If you were to squint a bit you might imagine piles of books. It’s not a conventional looking building.”

Issues raised by the community association have to do with narrowness of side streets for access to the parking garage. They hope to see design features such as lighting to help crime prevention.

The AEFO must leave its current location on Belfast Road at the end of the year. It is being expropriated by the City of Ottawa for a future light-rail train maintenance and storage yard.

It recently bought the vacant 68,000-square-foot site at the corner of Montreal Road and Dupuis Street. “We felt it was important to establish our new office building in Quartier Vanier, which is a predominantly francophone community,” says Mercier. “We liked what we saw in the area.”

They hope to attract francophone professionals and organizations as tenants. It’s estimated 500 people will work in the building. “It’s our hope to create a hub of the Franco-Ontarian community,” he says.

“We hope to be a catalyst. We hope to have others invest in Vanier to make it a better community. It has fallen on hard times recently and we recognize that. Hopefully this will bring more life to the street and more people into Vanier.”

It is two blocks from the Wabano Centre for Aboriginal Health where construction is underway on an expansion, designed by high-profile architect Douglas Cardinal and his son Bret.

The AEFO also bought two small buildings west of the site. If there is demand in future, they would build a second building of seven to eight storeys.

“For us, it’s the big catalyst of change,” says Suzanne Valiquet, executive director of the Quartier Vanier Merchants Association. “For 25 years it’s been sitting empty. It’s prime space at a prime location.”

Peter Hume, chair of the city’s planning committee, says interest in mid-rise buildings is good news.

“It is an excellent sign that mid-rise buildings are being proposed and that proponents are determining that they are economic to construct,” says Hume.

“We have often heard from the development industry that in very desirable areas — the Market, Westboro, Glebe and Old Ottawa South — that four to six storey buildings are not economic to build,” he says.

“This is the second project that I have heard will come in under within the existing zoning and under the planning framework.”

A building proposed for the corner of Wellington Street and Island Park Drive in the West Wellington area will be six storeys, although the community design plan would allow nine.

The Vanier building “highlights that, although many people feel that zoning on a site always represents the optimal development envelope, that is not always the case,” says Hume.

“The proponents in this case specifically have reviewed the actual building in the context of the surrounding community and the needs of the proponent and determined that a seven-storey building best meets everyone’s needs.

“In most cases it usually goes the other way.”

© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen

kevinbottawa
Feb 21, 2012, 1:43 AM
A building proposed for the corner of Wellington Street and Island Park Drive in the West Wellington area will be six storeys, although the community design plan would allow nine.

What building are they talking about? Is this a proposal for the north east corner?

Exewau
Feb 21, 2012, 3:48 AM
What building are they talking about? Is this a proposal for the north east corner?

When I was down checking progress (or lack of it) on "Wellington at Island Park" I noticed that the car dealership on the south west corner of the intersection was for sale.

Rumours have been going round for a while that the Proshine Car Wash site will also be developed, maybe along with Bella's as WAIP has very few windows on the western side of the building

Uhuniau
Feb 21, 2012, 5:32 AM
Sure it hurts to lose commercial space but a building this that will hold 500 workers in phase one that is very good news.

If you are an established mid- to largish employer looking for digs, yeah.

Overall, though, we are losing a lot of small spaces, and not replacing them very well. Not a good trend.

Uhuniau
Feb 21, 2012, 5:33 AM
Woops, I missed that design detail, I thought Uhunian was talking about the Sandy Hill-Vanier pedestrian bridge. Gotcha.

I like pedestrian bridges, just not stupid building-to-building pedways, unless they are done very, very well. Which they almost never are.

waterloowarrior
Mar 11, 2012, 4:17 PM
devapps link for the site plan... not all studies are up yet
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__81MLH9

rocketphish
Mar 15, 2012, 5:20 PM
Association releases site plan for $25M office building

Published on March 14, 2012
OBJ Staff

After being displaced from its property to make way for light-rail construction, a French-language association has submitted a site plan for the facility that will replace it on Montreal Road.

The $25-million building at 250 Montreal Rd., in Vanier, will be seven storeys high with two levels of underground parking and two loading bays, according to city documents. It will be a mixed-use building, with commercial uses on the ground and office space for the rest of the floors.

The Association des enseignantes et enseignants franco-ontariens owns the site. It is primarily vacant except for a parking lot used by tenants for the nearby 290 Dupuis St. – which is also owned by the association.

Association officials announced the purchase of the site in February. The sale price was not revealed.

"We had no choice," said association president Benoit Mercier in a statement at the time.

"We were served with a notice of expropriation by the city of Ottawa for our property located at 681 Belfast Rd."

Comments are open on the site plan, which has yet to be reviewed by a city committee. No construction timeline has been released.

Subcontractors for the project so far include Martineau Architecture Inc. + Smith Carter Architects & Engineers Inc. (traffic noise assessment) and Paterson Group Inc. (environmental assessment).

http://www.obj.ca/Real%20Estate/Non-residential/2012-03-14/article-2927301/Association-releases-site-plan-for-25M-office-building/1

J.OT13
Apr 13, 2012, 8:25 PM
New renders on City of Ottawa application details.

http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%20Referencing_Site%20Plan%20Application_Image%20Reference_D07-12-11-0247%20Urban%20Design%20Review%20Panel%20Submission.PDF

citizen j
Apr 16, 2012, 6:08 PM
Was the new render based on the 'dazzle-ship' concept, designed to make it hard for the enemy to see the entire bulk of the ship/building clearly and thereby sink it?

waterloowarrior
Jun 28, 2012, 11:51 PM
http://www.juteaujohnsoncomba.com/ms_april2012.htm

The largest transaction was for a 57,059 square foot parcel of commercial land located on 250 Montreal Road. The property was purchased by Complexe 250 Inc. from 250 Montreal Rd Inc. for $4,030,000 or $71/sf. The purchaser intends to develop the property with a seven-storey 103,674 square foot office building with a ground floor commercial component. The majority of the proposed building will be owner-occupied. The proposed development represents the first of a two-phase office project. The second phase will be located on the southwest corner of Montreal Road and Dupuis Street, which the purchaser had acquired in January 2012. The two phases will be connected by an elevated walkway.

waterloowarrior
Oct 30, 2012, 9:25 PM
Citizen: Four storey parking garage now proposed instead of mostly underground with a small surface parking lot
http://t.co/6YxyLaZI

Capital Shaun
Oct 31, 2012, 12:33 AM
Citizen: Four storey parking garage now proposed instead of mostly underground with a small surface parking lot
http://t.co/6YxyLaZI

A parking garage for a low/mid rise office building? They've gotta be kidding?

And the pedestrian plaza will no longer be a pedestrian thoroughfare either?

The last thing Montreal Road & Vanier Parkway need is more car traffic.

J.OT13
Dec 11, 2012, 3:52 PM
Modified plan for parking garage. Entrance moved to Bégin along with new retail lining the street, green roof over the ramp...

More on Vanier Now;

http://www.vaniernow.blogspot.ca/2012/12/another-update-on-250-montreal-road.html

and PDF of new parking garage plans;

http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%20Referencing_Site%20Plan%20Application_Image%20Reference_D07-12-12-0165%20UDRP%20Formal%20Submission.PDF

citizen j
Dec 11, 2012, 10:02 PM
Modified plan for parking garage. Entrance moved to Bégin along with new retail lining the street, green roof over the ramp...

More on Vanier Now;

http://www.vaniernow.blogspot.ca/2012/12/another-update-on-250-montreal-road.html

and PDF of new parking garage plans;

http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%20Referencing_Site%20Plan%20Application_Image%20Reference_D07-12-12-0165%20UDRP%20Formal%20Submission.PDF

That building's going to be a lot taller than I thought it would be; if you look carefully at the renderings at the end of the file in the second link, it seems you'll be able to see downtown Toronto from the upper floors.

Uhuniau
Dec 12, 2012, 4:45 AM
A parking garage for a low/mid rise office building? They've gotta be kidding?

And the pedestrian plaza will no longer be a pedestrian thoroughfare either?

The last thing Montreal Road & Vanier Parkway need is more car traffic.

Montreal Road can't possibly have too much traffic for me. Maybe it'll be the kick in the ass the city needs to do something real and meaningful about transit on this corridor, other than cutting 18% of the bus runs, like their previous round of "service improvements" did.

Spoonsy
Jul 18, 2016, 9:04 PM
nobody has posted an update on this since 2012 so here we go.

in short the project's been canned.

February 2012
- first proposed, http://placevanier.ca/en/

March 2012
- site plan submitted

October 2012
- modified to include four storey parking garage instead of mostly underground

December 2013
- AEFO announced plans were on hold

July 2016
- AEFO now appears to have fully scrapped this. they have listed 234/240/250 Montreal Road & 282-290 Dupuis Street for sale. they intend to leaseback their own office space

i cant yet find a proper listing page on the Colliers site but this was on the Vanier BIA facebook:
https://i.imgur.com/gzCXqfd.jpg

this could've been an exciting project. sad to see all these accumulated properties up for sale now.


234 Montreal Road - https://goo.gl/maps/6kSUBTaXu772
this was a carribean restaurant, has beenvacant for some time

240 Montreal Road - https://goo.gl/maps/dFE5gUmyEdy
current tenants = DTM Electronics and Myths Legnds & Heroes Comic book store. Top floor is an apartment

250 Montreal Road - https://goo.gl/maps/1fSvW5rzHaK2
large undeveloped L-shaped lot.

282 Dupuis Street - https://goo.gl/maps/Pe3czgGPUdJ2
formerly occupied by the federal government until sometime last year, now completely vacant

290 Dupuis Street - https://goo.gl/maps/uKh6DUwumyM2
current tenants = Vanier Community Service Centre and the AEFO

more pics + panoroma
http://tours.bizzimage.com/18404/234240250-montreal-road-282-290-dupuis-street-ottawa-on-k1l

J.OT13
Jul 20, 2016, 1:15 AM
Too bad. That was an awesome project for Vanier.

loga0082
Jul 24, 2016, 3:52 PM
Which part of Montreal road are they planning to construct the condos in Vanier? Is it Eastview shopping centre between North River Road and Montgomery avenue where the Chinese buffet use to be or is it in the section where Shoppers Drug Mart and the medical offices and Dynacare are? I walked that area and I do not live far from here. I do not know exactly where that area is? I have heard two years ago about them building shops and condo towers in Eastiview Shopping Centre.

Spoonsy
Jul 25, 2016, 2:29 PM
Which part of Montreal road are they planning to construct the condos in Vanier? Is it Eastview shopping centre between North River Road and Montgomery avenue where the Chinese buffet use to be or is it in the section where Shoppers Drug Mart and the medical offices and Dynacare are? I walked that area and I do not live far from here. I do not know exactly where that area is? I have heard two years ago about them building shops and condo towers in Eastiview Shopping Centre.

There were two plans for condo redevelopment in this area:

Eastview Mall - 2 Montreal Rd & 3 Selkirk
This was the subject of a redevelopment application by Osgoode Properties three years ago but I can find no indication of any activity on this project since.
https://vaniernow.blogspot.ca/2013/09/plans-for-eastview-shopping-centre-site.html
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Ottawa Plaza Inn (Former Econo Lodge) - 112 Montreal Rd & 314 Gardner St
Tucked behind the Esso at the corner of Montreal Rd & Vanier Pkway is the Ottawa Plaza Inn. Late 2014, an application was filed to build four 18 storey residential buildings, one six-storey mixed-use building, a four-storey residential and a three-story common building, adding 607 residential units. Two-level underground parking. Again I can't find any indication of any activity since.
http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/4961480-large-development-proposed-for-montreal-and-vanier-parkway/

Application still showing on city site:
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__9EWE07
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Shoppers Drug Mart & Dynacare - 150 Montreal Rd
I can only find an article detailing the sale of this property in 2011 to a "local private investor" but no indication of any redevelopment plan
http://www.obj.ca/Real-Estate/Non-residential/2011-01-14/article-2118536/Conundrum-sells-Montreal-Road-property-for-$11.15M

loga0082
Jul 25, 2016, 6:15 PM
There were two plans for condo redevelopment in this area:

Eastview Mall - 2 Montreal Rd & 3 Selkirk
This was the subject of a redevelopment application by Osgoode Properties three years ago but I can find no indication of any activity on this project since.
https://vaniernow.blogspot.ca/2013/09/plans-for-eastview-shopping-centre-site.html
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Ottawa Plaza Inn (Former Econo Lodge) - 112 Montreal Rd & 314 Gardner St
Tucked behind the Esso at the corner of Montreal Rd & Vanier Pkway is the Ottawa Plaza Inn. Late 2014, an application was filed to build four 18 storey residential buildings, one six-storey mixed-use building, a four-storey residential and a three-story common building, adding 607 residential units. Two-level underground parking. Again I can't find any indication of any activity since.
http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/4961480-large-development-proposed-for-montreal-and-vanier-parkway/

Application still showing on city site:
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__9EWE07
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Shoppers Drug Mart & Dynacare - 150 Montreal Rd
I can only find an article detailing the sale of this property in 2011 to a "local private investor" but no indication of any redevelopment plan
http://www.obj.ca/Real-Estate/Non-residential/2011-01-14/article-2118536/Conundrum-sells-Montreal-Road-property-for-$11.15M

Spoonsy, I know those areas very well. I walk around this area in the wintertime, when I cannot walk in the park because of too much snow. I go to the Dynacare every year to have blood work done and I go to Shoppers Drug Mart to buy a few stuff. I will read your articles. :yes:

Spoonsy
Nov 1, 2017, 5:20 PM
There might be movement on this again. Anyone hear anything through the grapevine? Asking because I have been seeing more activity on these lots the last few weeks, than I have the last few years.

* 282 Dupuis - vacant office - have seen a couple groups of people touring the building and a few more contractor vehicles than usual
* 250 Montreal Rd - vacant field - all the shrubbery has been removed as recently as yesterday, some surveyors were out there with those tripod thingies a couple weeks ago
* 240 Montreal Rd - Tenants are vacating - Myths Legends and Heroes has just moved to a new location on Bank St., DTM Electronics having a closing sale this week. Slated for demolition soon?
* 250 Montreal Rd - vacant former restaurant - hope it goes down with 240

If they're going to resume the development here, it would be a nice contrast to the mess that is the new Salvation Army just a couple blocks down :haha:

The original application is still in the city's application search tool but the status says "Receipt of Agreement from Owner Pending" since 2014.

downtown_eddie_brown
Nov 1, 2017, 8:43 PM
There might be movement on this again. Anyone hear anything through the grapevine? Asking because I have been seeing more activity on these lots the last few weeks, than I have the last few years.

* 282 Dupuis - vacant office - have seen a couple groups of people touring the building and a few more contractor vehicles than usual
* 250 Montreal Rd - vacant field - all the shrubbery has been removed as recently as yesterday, some surveyors were out there with those tripod thingies a couple weeks ago
* 240 Montreal Rd - Tenants are vacating - Myths Legends and Heroes has just moved to a new location on Bank St., DTM Electronics having a closing sale this week. Slated for demolition soon?
* 250 Montreal Rd - vacant former restaurant - hope it goes down with 240

If they're going to resume the development here, it would be a nice contrast to the mess that is the new Salvation Army just a couple blocks down :haha:

The original application is still in the city's application search tool but the status says "Receipt of Agreement from Owner Pending" since 2014.

Fleury had mentioned at the last VCA meeting that some developer whose name escapes me had purchased the property and was going to pursue a mixed-use retail/residential development with the space. He was very optimistic about the project and the developer, but I'd be curious how successful the project could be with SA down the block.

FutureWickedCity
Nov 2, 2017, 2:49 PM
Lots of folks didn't mind buying condos right across the street from The Mission and the Sally Ann downtown!

downtown_eddie_brown
Nov 2, 2017, 3:18 PM
Lots of folks didn't mind buying condos right across the street from The Mission and the Sally Ann downtown!

The Market enjoys good access to transit, a multitude of shopping and entertainment options, and a healthy 'bustle' bolstered by continuous tourist traffic. Currently, Vanier sorely lacks these, and the presence of the shelter likely won't help attract them.

lrt's friend
Nov 2, 2017, 4:36 PM
The Market enjoys good access to transit, a multitude of shopping and entertainment options, and a healthy 'bustle' bolstered by continuous tourist traffic. Currently, Vanier sorely lacks these, and the presence of the shelter likely won't help attract them.

High quality transit will be a difference maker in Vanier. Even BRT with dedicated bus lanes, nice stations and specially identified buses would be a significant improvement.

Uhuniau
Nov 2, 2017, 6:23 PM
High quality transit will be a difference maker in Vanier. Even BRT with dedicated bus lanes, nice stations and specially identified buses would be a significant improvement.

Too bad there's neither a feasible route for surface BRT, nor the political or budgetary will to build a segregated higher-order transit route through and to the most densely populated part of the City of Ottawa.

roger1818
Nov 2, 2017, 7:21 PM
Too bad there's neither a feasible route for surface BRT, nor the political or budgetary will to build a segregated higher-order transit route through and to the most densely populated part of the City of Ottawa.

Agreed. Since they are going to be digging up Montreal rd soon anyway, it would be a good time to dig a bit deeper to put in a tunnel. Unfortunately that makes too much sense and requires planning, something this city (or any city that I know of for that matter) doesn't do well.

acottawa
Nov 2, 2017, 8:28 PM
... requires planning...

And billions of dollars.

Uhuniau
Nov 4, 2017, 3:35 AM
Agreed. Since they are going to be digging up Montreal rd soon anyway, it would be a good time to dig a bit deeper to put in a tunnel. Unfortunately that makes too much sense and requires planning, something this city (or any city that I know of for that matter) doesn't do well.

Putting in a tunnel is an order of magnitude or two above the road and utilities reconstruction in terms of cost and complexity. But as becomes clearer with every passing day, the City of Ottawa is only willing to spend money on things like transit everywhere else in the city except Vanier and other politically disconnected neighbourhoods in the not-downtown-but-not-quite-suburban band.

It's really amazing to consider how completely Ottawa's "urban" transit plan, even far out into the future, centres around highway rights of way, river shores, and other relatively unpopulated areas, to bring suburbanites to and from downtown, at the cost of almost completely bypassing urban communities. It's almost a textbook case of transit classism.

pico
Feb 27, 2018, 4:58 PM
Some interesting piece of news on revitalization of a stretch of Montreal Road in the core of Vanier:

https://renx.ca/ottawas-regional-group-banking-vanier/

Spoonsy
May 1, 2018, 5:41 PM
Updates on the area:

Someone is moving into the long vacant 282 Dupuis St today! Or they are elaborately staging it with several desks and chairs...

Gas line was recently removed from the vacant comic book store/DTM Electronics. I think we could expect to see this building (240 Montreal) and 234 Montreal demolished soon.

Here is an OBJ article on Maher Arar opening a coworking space at 261 Montreal Rd. For locals this is the building with HR Block across from Jean Coutu.
http://www.obj.ca/article/techopia-ottawa-entrepreneur-maher-arar-bets-vanier-new-coworking-space

babar
Nov 26, 2018, 7:50 PM
Their buildings along Montreal Road (234 and 240) have been blocked off and demolition has started. :tup:

https://i.ibb.co/rMH7vb0/IMG-20181126-130948.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/sWkQ81P/IMG-20181126-131001.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/XVtWHtg/IMG-20181126-131011.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/48tLTDV/IMG-20181126-131019.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/KjFdgXR/IMG-20181126-131043b.jpg

Ottawa Blog-Source (https://www.rochstgeorges.ca/blog/2018/11/26/234-240-montreal-road-mix-used-development-in-vanier/)

kevinbottawa
Nov 27, 2018, 1:22 PM
Up until a few months ago I hated Montreal Road but when I got rid of my car a few months ago and started walking and busing everywhere I've grown to really like it. Looking forward to seeing how the street is transformed in the next 10 years. Anyone here think Vanier will eventually become an extension of downtown or at least be considered "uptown"?

kwoldtimer
Nov 27, 2018, 1:42 PM
Has there been any word lately about the apartment developments planned at Montreal Rd and Vanier Pkwy?

FutureWickedCity
Nov 27, 2018, 2:28 PM
It definitely has some flavour and a lot of potential. Keep: the Bingo Hall, the cheap diners, the Asian supermarket. Lose: the pawn shops, the money marts, the dive bars.

Multi-modal
Nov 27, 2018, 2:30 PM
It definitely has some flavour and a lot of potential. Keep: the Bingo Hall, the cheap diners, the Asian supermarket. Lose: the pawn shops, the money marts, the dive bars.

Keep some dive bars :cheers:

kwoldtimer
Nov 27, 2018, 2:53 PM
It definitely has some flavour and a lot of potential. Keep: the Bingo Hall, the cheap diners, the Asian supermarket. Lose: the pawn shops, the money marts, the dive bars.

I always figure that mall site is prime for redevelopment.

JHikka
Nov 27, 2018, 2:56 PM
I always figure that mall site is prime for redevelopment.

I agree. The bingo hall and its parking lot is prime space for a large, high-density development. It's really not that far from Rideau/Market/Hill.

acottawa
Nov 27, 2018, 4:43 PM
Up until a few months ago I hated Montreal Road but when I got rid of my car a few months ago and started walking and busing everywhere I've grown to really like it. Looking forward to seeing how the street is transformed in the next 10 years. Anyone here think Vanier will eventually become an extension of downtown or at least be considered "uptown"?

I doubt it, it is too geographically isolated.

pico
Nov 27, 2018, 6:06 PM
Perhaps the LeBreton fiasco might help Montreal road see more development in the short term. I realize they are on quite different scales, but Vanier may have the cheapest real estate close to downtown, with lots of prime spots for (re-)development. With the renewal of Montreal road and the stalling at LeBreton, I suspect that some investors will start to look at Vanier for short term opportunities.

One of the main problems with Montreal road remains shitty transit, alas.

rocketphish
Nov 27, 2018, 6:11 PM
Has there been any word lately about the apartment developments planned at Montreal Rd and Vanier Pkwy?

Watch this space:
https://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7753242#post7753242

rocketphish
Nov 27, 2018, 6:13 PM
I always figure that mall site is prime for redevelopment.

Osgoode Properties thought so too a few years ago, but then it all went quiet.
http://vaniernow.blogspot.com/2013/09/plans-for-eastview-shopping-centre-site.html

Uhuniau
Nov 27, 2018, 6:40 PM
It definitely has some flavour and a lot of potential. Keep: the Bingo Hall, the cheap diners, the Asian supermarket. Lose: the pawn shops, the money marts, the dive bars.

Move: the bingo hall and Asian supermarket tighter to the street as redevelopment opportunities arise.

(Ditto on Beechwood with Metro and that awful parking lot out front.)

Uhuniau
Nov 27, 2018, 6:44 PM
I doubt it, it is too geographically isolated.

The "urban" or easily urbanizable portion of Montreal Road (west of, say, Notre-Dame cemetery) is 4km or less from the Peace Tower, which is as close as all of Bank Street in Old Ottawa South and the Glebe, and all of Somerset-Wellington-Richmond east of Island Park.

What's keeping Vanier down is really just two things: rampant classism, and its cousin-in-law, official Ottawa's neglect and apathy towards "poor" neighbourhoods.

Uhuniau
Nov 27, 2018, 6:45 PM
Perhaps the LeBreton fiasco might help Montreal road see more development in the short term. I realize they are on quite different scales, but Vanier may have the cheapest real estate close to downtown, with lots of prime spots for (re-)development. With the renewal of Montreal road and the stalling at LeBreton, I suspect that some investors will start to look at Vanier for short term opportunities.

One of the main problems with Montreal road remains shitty transit, alas.

A problem for which there is not only no appetite to solve, but an official policy to make things worse - and to divert and encourage new and re-development along an LRT that is essentially suburban in purpose and form.

acottawa
Nov 27, 2018, 7:19 PM
The "urban" or easily urbanizable portion of Montreal Road (west of, say, Notre-Dame cemetery) is 4km or less from the Peace Tower, which is as close as all of Bank Street in Old Ottawa South and the Glebe, and all of Somerset-Wellington-Richmond east of Island Park.

What's keeping Vanier down is really just two things: rampant classism, and its cousin-in-law, official Ottawa's neglect and apathy towards "poor" neighbourhoods.

Places like Mechanicsvillle were just as “poor” as Vanier a few years ago. Vanier to downtown is a crappy walk, bike ride, bus ride or drive, and it is not easily accessed from nearby neighbourhoods.

kevinbottawa
Nov 27, 2018, 11:48 PM
Places like Mechanicsvillle were just as “poor” as Vanier a few years ago. Vanier to downtown is a crappy walk, bike ride, bus ride or drive, and it is not easily accessed from nearby neighbourhoods.

I don't know what you're basing that on but I don't agree with that at all. I live on McArthur and my family and I walk to downtown all the time, whether it's my wife going to school, me going to a meeting, or all of us spending a day downtown. And with the new bike lanes on McArthur and the Adawe Bridge I imagine riding a bike downtown is a lot easier. And while the bus service can suck sometimes I wouldn't call it a crappy bus ride or drive.

acottawa
Nov 28, 2018, 12:32 AM
I don't know what you're basing that on but I don't agree with that at all. I live on McArthur and my family and I walk to downtown all the time, whether it's my wife going to school, me going to a meeting, or all of us spending a day downtown. And with the new bike lanes on McArthur and the Adawe Bridge I imagine riding a bike downtown is a lot easier. And while the bus service can suck sometimes I wouldn't call it a crappy bus ride or drive.

If you genuinely think that’s a nice walk, particularly in comparison to other neighbourhoods then we have very different definitions. That’s cool, it is a completely subjective adjective.

McC
Nov 28, 2018, 12:57 AM
The direct walking route downtown from Mechanicsville is Scott St, over the viaduct and then Albert St through the barrenlands of the Flats. It’s not a lovely walk in any season of the year (no shade, no wind breaks, no scenery, lots of splashing passing vehicles). There are much nicer routes along the River or Somerset St., but they add a good 25% to your trip length.

Uhuniau
Nov 28, 2018, 5:05 PM
Places like Mechanicsvillle were just as “poor” as Vanier a few years ago. Vanier to downtown is a crappy walk, bike ride, bus ride or drive, and it is not easily accessed from nearby neighbourhoods.

How is it any less accessible than any other neighbourhood, other than the city's self-inflicted shit transit service?

acottawa
Nov 28, 2018, 10:28 PM
How is it any less accessible than any other neighbourhood, other than the city's self-inflicted shit transit service?

It is blocked to the North and East by the cemetery district. It is blocked to the West by the Rideau River, and the Cummings Bridge is one of the worst places for a pedestrian in the city, and pretty crappy for everyone else too. And as you mentioned (several times in fact) the transit situation is not good. It has none of the ingredients in place to become an “extension of downtown” or “uptown.”

Uhuniau
Nov 28, 2018, 11:03 PM
It is blocked to the North and East by the cemetery district. It is blocked to the West by the Rideau River, and the Cummings Bridge is one of the worst places for a pedestrian in the city, and pretty crappy for everyone else too. And as you mentioned (several times in fact) the transit situation is not good. It has none of the ingredients in place to become an “extension of downtown” or “uptown.”

It is no more "blocked" by the Rideau River New Edinburgh is, or than Old Ottawa East or South are by the Canal, the Glebe by the Queensway, or Hintonboro by the railway tracks.

I'll take the Cummings Bridge over Scott Street any day; hell, I'd take Cummings over the Beechwood-St. Patrick bridge TBH.

J.OT13
Nov 29, 2018, 1:10 PM
If something will kill Vanier's potential, it is the Salvation Army and terrible transit.

Uhuniau
Nov 29, 2018, 1:38 PM
Sally Ann alone won't do it.

It's the next shelter that the Watson council wants to move to Vanier that will.

kwoldtimer
Nov 29, 2018, 2:04 PM
Sally Ann alone won't do it.

It's the next shelter that the Watson council wants to move to Vanier that will.

You have information you want to share?

FutureWickedCity
Nov 29, 2018, 2:48 PM
One hidden gem of Vanier is the park with the library and the sugar shack. Lived in Ottawa my whole life and only stumbled upon this place last year.

Uhuniau
Nov 29, 2018, 2:53 PM
You have information you want to share?

No, but there's rampant speculation, and it would be in keeping with the classism and YISEBY (Yes In Somebody Else's Back Yard) attitude of the Jim Watson regime.

waterloowarrior
Jan 29, 2019, 4:52 AM
Regional Group has a concept posted on their website

https://regionalgroup.com/featured-projects/234-250-montreal-rd/

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Uhuniau
Jan 29, 2019, 3:44 PM
Regional Group has a concept posted on their website

Of all the fudges that have ever been fudged, the fudging of that site's "proximity" to the LRT is one of the fudgiest that has ever been fudged.