NEW YORK | 432 Park Avenue (Drake Hotel dev.) | (1,396) FT / 432 M | 89 FLOORS

[Surrealplaces]

What blows me away is that this is already looks somewhat tall and slender at 16 floors!

This is my first post. Few pictures from last Sunday.

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[JACKinBeantown]

432 Park Avenue and One World Trade Center will greatly add to NYC's skyline and although neither are the best examples of architecture, they each have their pluses and I welcome their additions to the skyline.

[hunser]

I'm all for not counting 1WTC's mast. 432 PA will be the true tallest in our city, until 225W57th steps in.

While a decision has yet to be made on the official height of the One World Trade Centre, the structure will continue to hold the title for tallest building in the US and the Western Hemisphere ahead of the Willis Tower in Chicago at 1,451 feet and the Trump International Hotel and Tower which stands at 1,389 feet. If the spire is recognised as an antenna, however, it will swiftly drop to third place and will slip to fourth upon the completion of 432 Park Avenue tower.

Lol, there would be an outcry of epic proportions if 1WTC's mast doesn't count but the Trump one does. Trump's roof height is 1171' btw.

[babybackribs2314]

Latest 432 Park update! :)

432 Park mid-June 2013 Construction Update (http://www.yimbynews.com/#/2013/06/construction-update-432-park-avenue-9.html/0)

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/432-Park3.jpg

[JACKinBeantown]

Nice update, babybackribs.

[mrnyc]

this one is at 16 floors at the moment?? thx if you know.

[JACKinBeantown]

16th floor is done, rebar for pillars on the 17th floor is in, and the core is 18 floors.

[Tectonic]

06.15.13

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[Tedious]

Spires don't count ;) - This will be the tallest building in NY

[Crawford]

Spires don't count ;) - This will be the tallest building in NY

Whether they do or they don't, this won't be the tallest. I mean, maybe yes, for about a year or so (if you don't like spires), but that's it.

One WTC if you like spires, and 225 W. 57 if you don't.

[NYguy]

We already know that spires do count. That last few world's tallest all have spires.



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[hunser]

Although I live(d) in New York, that density gets me every time. :slob:

[JACKinBeantown]

NYguy, you remove everyone's references to spires but your own (your original posting of this article, which started the whole thing). Please be fair and balanced®.

http://designbuildsource.com.au/battle-of-the-tallest-432-park-avenue-vs-one-world-trade-centre

Battle of the Tallest: 432 Park Avenue Vs. One World Trade Centre


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By Angela Fedele
June 14, 2013

Architect Rafael Viñoly is injecting some serious height into New York’s already busy skyline with his proposed landmark 432 Park Avenue residential building, claiming it will be “the tallest structure in Manhattan.”

Located in the centre of Manhattan on leafy Park Avenue between 56th and 57th street, the landmark building will stand 1,396 feet tall, just topping the rooftop height of the One World Trade Centre building, which stands at 1,368 feet excluding its 124-metre spire.

In what was a momentous moment for New York last month, the spire of the One World Trade Centre was installed taking the building to a final height of 1,776 feet, a reference to the year of America’s independence. The tower’s spire has drawn consistent debate as to whether it should be considered in the buildings official height as site owners the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey have also claimed the title of the city’s tallest building.

Originally, the spire was intended to be housed within a radome but freestanding, it could now be considered an antenna which according to the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat is not considered in the final architectural height. While the verdict is still out on the tallest building, Viñoly is confident that 432 Park Avenue will receive the final recognition.

“To me the critical thing in every building is the possibility of changing convention,” Viñoly explained in a video about the project. “We effectively look at every project differently…one thing that really is the case of death in this business is to circumscribe yourself to one particular building type.” Viñoly said he felt a building of that height had to strike a balance between form and its actual structure.

Apartments for 432 Park Avenue went on sale in March and over a third of the 126 units were sold, totaling sales of over $1 billion in spaces priced from US$7 million to US$95 million.

The slender 432 Park Avenue tower will extend 96 stories featuring a glazed concrete steel and glass façade. It will also boast 10-by-10 foot windows, drawing in an abundance of natural light offering residents extensive views of Central Park, the Hudson and East river and all the way to New Jersey and Brooklyn. The geometrically aligned exteriors feature six components per floor, separated by a gap that also works as a wind effect mechanism to reduce the creation of the vortex.

Inside, the number of apartments per floor will be reduced from four to one on the upper levels, and natural materials including solid oak floors and Italian marble bathrooms are set to decorate the residencies. Implementing public and collaborative spaces within the tower was important to Viñoly with the building set to house a private restaurant, outdoor garden, private elevator landings, a pool, spa and fitness centre and more, with over 30,000 square feet of amenities for residents.

“When one building typology becomes the city, it’s not anymore a building typology – its something else,” explains Viñoly of the building atmosphere he’s worked to create. “…So the experience of participating in that kind of strange relationship where you have multiple layers of publicness by the level of which people connect visually at certain heights is 100% a New York experience.”

While a decision has yet to be made on the official height of the One World Trade Centre, the structure will continue to hold the title for tallest building in the US and the Western Hemisphere ahead of the Willis Tower in Chicago at 1,451 feet and the Trump International Hotel and Tower which stands at 1,389 feet. If the spire is recognised as an antenna, however, it will swiftly drop to third place and will slip to fourth upon the completion of 432 Park Avenue tower.

[drumz0rz]

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Is that the swimming pool?

[JACKinBeantown]

I would say that that is indeed the swimming pool.


As this building starts to peek above its neighbors it will inevitably be visible from other webcams around the city. Maybe someone with knowledge of those views could start assembling a list with links. I'm sure lots of people on this forum would appreciate it. I sure would. :cheers:

[sw5710]

Is that the swimming pool?

No. That was a floor that had the double height area on the 56th street side like several ones before it. Not the pool area.

[MarshallKnight]

The geometrically aligned exteriors feature six components per floor, separated by a gap that also works as a wind effect mechanism to reduce the creation of the vortex.


This might have been misstated by the author -- I assumed that he was just talking about the big gaps in the tower every twelve floors -- but this could shed some light on why the window frames are recessed: not just for stylistic reasons, but to aid in breaking up the wind vortices.

Anyone think that might be the case, or is that just a mistake?

[sw5710]

The top of the core is near 300' Or the 20th level of windows

[NYguy]

NYguy, you remove everyone's references to spires but your own (your original posting of this article, which started the whole thing). Please be fair and balanced®.

I removed what was necessary. The article isn't a reference to whether or not spires should count in building heights, and if you want to debate that, take it to the proper thread.

If I must spell it out, it is a reference to the fact that 432 Park will be taller than the Freedom Tower if the antenna is not considered a spire, which is absolutely correct. If the mast is ruled a spire, then obviously Freedom Tower's height would be greater. There is nothing to debate.

[CCs77]

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Is that the swimming pool?

That is not, this is.





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[hunser]

As with One57, 432 PA made the news on DER SPIEGEL:
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/luxus-immobilien-boomen-in-manhattan-a-905402.html

Rückkehr der Wolkenkratzer-Kriege

The return of the skyscraper wars. :D

[NYguy]

The skyscraper wars. I like the sound of that. Twenty or thirty years from now, someone will have all of this neatly wrapped up for us in a book (hopefully they exist) or documentary about the time when these giants suddenly rose on the Manhattan skyline.



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[PhillyToNYC]

Can someone say, "Building Boom?"

[MrSlippery519]

Well the forms have jumped...we officially need the camera raised on 57th street by a good 10 stories so we can see some of the action inside again.

[jd3189]

This era better be longer and bigger than the first. Half of the city should look extremely different after this.:cheers:

[kpdrummer82]

It looks like a few windows have already been put into place on the 56th street side!

[sw5710]

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/143218689/original.jpg

Floor 12 is poured and the outer forms have been jumped up to floor 13 at 265' above the lobby or the 17th row of windows. The top of the form for the core is up to floor 16 302'

[bigreach]

The skyscraper wars. I like the sound of that. Twenty or thirty years from now, someone will have all of this neatly wrapped up for us in a book (hopefully they exist) or documentary about the time when these giants suddenly rose on the Manhattan skyline.



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This photo almost looks like it would be impossible to achieve.. But this is NY where the impossible lives,, this seems like it desreves a Wonder of the World status,, when complete.. Cool ass pic...:tup:

[babybackribs2314]

Latest set of photos from yesterday morning - getting big!

432 Park June 21st, 2013 Construction Update (http://www.yimbynews.com/#/2013/06/construction-update-432-park-avenue-19.html/0)

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/432Park1.jpg

[tdawg]

The amazing height of this thing never really wow'ed me until I saw that above rendering. 432 Park is a huge game changer for our skyline.

[QUEENSNYMAN]

The amazing height of this thing never really wow'ed me until I saw that above rendering. 432 Park is a huge game changer for our skyline.

It truly is:tup:

[mrnyc]

It truly is:tup:

yeah the people that live there will look way down on those puny trump world tower dwellers like derek jeter!

[hunser]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/23/realestate/selling-park-avenue-condos-at-250000-a-minute.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

Selling Park Avenue Condos at $250,000 a Minute

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Part of a film promoting 432 Park Avenue was shot at Silvercup Studios, including a scene the highwire artist Philippe Petit


By JULIE SATOW
Published: June 21, 2013

Harry B. Macklowe flew an Emmy-award-winning film crew to southern England, hired the famed tightrope walker Philippe Petit and bought the song rights to a Mama Cass classic, all for a four-minute movie to market his latest condominium development.

For years now, developers seeking to sell their condominiums have produced videos, typically featuring interviews with architects and designers, and rarely costing more than $100,000. But to make the movie for 432 Park Avenue — the luxury condominium that will reign as the tallest residential building in the Western Hemisphere when completed in 2015 — Mr. Macklowe spent more than $1 million. The price tag, which comes to $250,000 a minute, or more than $4,000 a second, raises eyebrows even in a city where the average condo costs $2 million.

[...]


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A ballerina being shot for the film at Silvercup Studios.

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Christina Makowski was chosen to be the face of 432 Park from a casting call of more than 200 models.

[sw5710]

Core jump. Now the top of the core framework is at floor 17 or Window level# 21 - 326' above the main entrance. This is where the 1st 2 story open Mechanical area will be. Floors 16 and 17

[JACKinBeantown]

Core jump. Now the top of the core framework is at floor 17 or Window level# 21 - 326' above the main entrance. This is where the 1st 2 story open Mechanical area will be. Floors 16 and 17

I was just looking at the webcam, noticed the jump and then came here. I was confused when I read this, although you are correct. But I'll state it a little differently just to make it clear... the core is now at level 20. When they pour the concrete into the forms at the level which they are currently at, the core will be 20 levels tall. The top of that concrete will be just below level 21. I believe this also makes the building taller than its next door neighbor. This will also make the building 20 of 90 levels tall, or 22.222% its total height.

[mrnyc]

^ thanks guise that is helpful!

does that really say residential/maid on the 14th and 15th floors on the schematic? pc this bldg ain't.

[NYguy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/23/realestate/selling-park-avenue-condos-at-250000-a-minute.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

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Christina Makowski was chosen to be the face of 432 Park from a casting call of more than 200 models.

Interesting. I'd like to see the video.



Meanwhile, a few pics...( JUNE 21, 2013 )


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[sw5710]

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Older but interesting.

[NYCrules]

Have a look at this, guys! Hats off to this guy's work!

T.Oechsner (http://www.flickr.com/photos/toechsner/with/9113720789/)

This is the first version of my 432 Randolph Street building. The design is based on the 432 Park Avenue building

432parkavenue.com/?state=home

which is under construction in New York right now. One main section is missing. I will add the missing section later this year.



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[King DenCity]

New York will never be the same... this tower is truly amazing in it's simplicity, something near equal to the older giants.
and by the way nice legos ^^^ :)

[scalziand]

I'd love to see that model as one of the official architecture series.

[sw5710]

2 more elevator cabs are going in on the Park Ave side of the building. Now we have 6

[babybackribs2314]

Photo update from yesterday! Glad to see this up past 20 floors - and 300 feet! :)

If you guys are into my updates, the YIMBYgram (http://instagram.com/newyorkyimby) is a great way to follow closer to real-time and with fabulous filters. ;)

432 Park Avenue late June 2013 Construction Update (http://www.yimbynews.com/#/2013/06/construction-update-432-park-avenue-20.html/0)

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[SonnyinMiami]

I was wondering... when 1WTC was going up ... there was a member who had diagrams of the completed building as well as actual construction progress within the same drawing. I wonder who that member is &... if by chance, he could do the same from time to time with 432 Park ... ? Thanks in advance.. & I really appreciate all of the efforts in gaining insider's information, photography & drawings/diagrams that you guys come up with... you guys really make my day, everyday...

[OptimumPx]

I was wondering... when 1WTC was going up ... there was a member who had diagrams of the completed building as well as actual construction progress within the same drawing. I wonder who that member is &... if by chance, he could do the same from time to time with 432 Park ... ? Thanks in advance.. & I really appreciate all of the efforts in gaining insider's information, photography & drawings/diagrams that you guys come up with... you guys really make my day, everyday...

I believe you're thinking of Zensteeldude (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/member.php?u=44660), who sadly is no longer with us. :(

[simms3_redux]

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/432P4.jpg

Man, a large attractive building for Turnbull & Asser - you certainly don't see that everywhere!

[simms3_redux]

I believe you're thinking of Zensteeldude (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/member.php?u=44660), who sadly is no longer with us. :(

That's very sad. If it's not too inappropriate to ask, was it a construction related accident?

[sw5710]

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/143218689/original.jpg

Core jump today. The 18th floor or 342' The top of this diagram

[Roadcruiser1]

That's very sad. If it's not too inappropriate to ask, was it a construction related accident?

Car accident.

[jd3189]

I believe you're thinking of Zensteeldude (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/member.php?u=44660), who sadly is no longer with us. :(

Not really. Zen just had the blueprints for 1 WTC. There was another person who made those diagrams even after he passed away. I'll try to find him.

[Innsertnamehere]

Str?

[Yankee fan for life]

My video clips of 432 !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SllIUFH5lZM&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIiwtn3idGE&feature=youtu.be

[QUEENSNYMAN]

My video clips of 432 !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SllIUFH5lZM&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIiwtn3idGE&feature=youtu.be

Thanks for those clips! Can't wait to some video of my own of this building.

[Yankee fan for life]

Thanks for those clips! Can't wait to some video of my own of this building.

Thanks queens man,but nobody does it better as you .

[Spotila]

Thanks queens man,but nobody does it better as you .

Agreed, thanks bud.

[mrnyc]

to-day


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[N830MH]

Wow! Very nice...Keep'em it coming!

[mrnyc]

thanks -- i always try to get up close and grab a peek or two through the gates!

[QUEENSNYMAN]

Hey Yankee Fan For Life I sent ya a message. Also I think by September this tower could top 600 feet or more, my guess.

[bigreach]

Happy 4th America. And let this bldg rise higher than any firework can climb.

[Yankee fan for life]

Try to give you guys weekly day time videos of 432 ! until then here is another vid from my roof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rscvxTlRS1E&feature=youtu.be

[easy as pie]

thx for the updates but, damn, it just fills me with sadness to see how this building is meeting the street so far.

[NYCLuver]

Yankee Fan, I am so jealous, you work in the CIBC building correct? You are lucky to get roof access. I wish I could get roof access from where I work (Hunter College)

Keep up the great videos! :D

[hunser]

Try to give you guys weekly day time videos of 432 ! until then here is another vid from my roof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rscvxTlRS1E&feature=youtu.be

Nice view you got there! Keep it up! :tup:

[NYCLuver]

July 5th, 2013

I can just start to see the crane from my job. :) It's going to be pretty crazy when it starts popping up!

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[NYguy]

Try to give you guys weekly day time videos of 432 ! until then here is another vid from my roof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rscvxTlRS1E&feature=youtu.be


rscvxTlRS1E

Nice video. I missed the shot of 432 though.

[sw5710]

The core is at 343'

[xnyr]

3:45 pm - Looks like they're installing another brace for the south crane prior to a jump.

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Notice the guys to the right of the lifts... looks like they're practicing line dancing; maybe another vid in the works.

[Yankee fan for life]

Hey guys my first day time video of 432 enjoy !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_-k1ck4i3s

[ILNY]

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Will the concrete frame be cleaned? It looks dirty.


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[bigreach]

The windows look good!!!!!!

[NYC2ATX]

Once this gets tall enough that people start to notice something's out of the ordinary...jeez... ...I can't wait for the barrage of commentary from people in my life and at my job, the vocal statements on Twitter and Facebook, the shocked and confused photos on Instagram, the deluge of news stories with titles like "what is that thing poking out of Midtown's skyline?" and "New Yorkers finally take notice of 432 Park, with mixed opinions" ...etc, etc.

It's going to be hilarious, entertaining and it'll give me history-witnessing chills. CAN NOT WAIT :P

[kalifese]

this must be one of the most architecturally boring buildings EVER. just sayin'. :cool:

[ATLksuGUY]

this must be one of the most architecturally boring buildings EVER. just sayin'. :cool:

There is a bold statement of power in sheer repetitiveness. Imagine a sheer wall straight to 1400 feet, and your standing 10 feet from its base looking up. Graceful, and powerful.

If you are going to post, try and make it more interesting then just your short slander of a project.

Anyways, The windows look almost flush. Has anyone actually seen the distance of the recess of the window? It looks to be only a few inches, glad it is not. Still loving this thing, perfect for NY. :cheers:

Nice pictures guys! Thanks.

[photoLith]

Wow I can't believe they're already installing glass. And i usually don't like most modern architecture because there's just no details or human scale to anything anymore but I really like this tower. It will be a sweet looking monolith, like a piece of Tetris just landed in midtown manhattan.

[JACKinBeantown]

I think this building works. Is it the best design ever? Absolutely not, but it's not the worst either. At least it's not just a solid glass block with no sense of human scale whatsoever like the Freedom Fry Tower.

[MolsonExport]

I can't believe how tall but slender this building will be.

[JayPro]

There is a bold statement of power in sheer repetitiveness. Imagine a sheer wall straight to 1400 feet, and your standing 10 feet from its base looking up. Graceful, and powerful.


ANd there you have the reason why this tower, with its "less is more" thing going on, *is* going to be as iconic as Sr. Viñoly himself suggested. BTW I'm sure the concrete will be spruced up, even if with a simple washing and no additional surface tweaks as suggested in one of NYGuy's earlier blow-up renders.

[jd3189]

If you liked the old WTC, you will probably like this building. Both were/ will reach great heights with no setbacks.

[Roadcruiser1]

If you liked the old WTC, you will probably like this building. Both were/ will reach great heights with no setbacks.

That's exactly why I love this building. It's going to be beautiful once it get up there. :tup:

[MarshallKnight]

Okay okay okay, someone want to explain how this works:
From THE REAL DEAL
Macklowe, CIM plan another $85M penthouse at 432 Park
Developers have chopped total units while boosting overall price to $2.89B
July 09, 2013 04:00PM
By Adam Pincus

Not content to simply break the record for the tallest residential tower in New York City, the developers of 432 Park Avenue are seeking to further capitalize on the project’s height. Macklowe Properties and California-based CIM Group, which are jointly developing the luxury condominiums, want to slice the top-floor penthouse into two units atop the 1,396-foot-tall building, according to plans filed with the New York Attorney General’s office.
Additionally, the developers plan to cut the number of apartments to 125 units from 141 units, while increasing the total sale price to $2.892 billion from $2.875 billion, the plans show...

The overall height of the Rafael Vinoly-designed tower, which is still under construction, remains the same — albeit with an additional floor. The total amount of residential space will grow to 412,637 square feet, up from 405,190 square feet in the April filing, the latest amendment reveals.
The developers created the new 96th floor by apparently using extra high ceilings in the former 95th floor unit.

“The addition of floor slabs within Residential Unit 95 has created a new floor 96… making Residential Unit 95 single height,” the filings said.
The new unit 96 received its floor area from two units on the 45th floor, which will now be used for mechanical purposes, the filing says...

The developers have two methods for counting floors: “construction,” which is the true number of stories, and “marketing,” which is the number associated with the apartments being sold. For example, there is no 13th floor. Currently, 432 Park Avenue is slated to have 84 construction floors; the top floor for marketing purposes is 101, according to the most recent offering plan. But the amendment shows 85 construction floors and identifies the top marketing floor as 102.

The developers did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
In addition, the plans reveal for the first time that the upper nine apartments — floors 85, 86, 88 and 91 through 96 — will have wood-burning (as well as gas) fireplaces, a rarity in new high-rise construction.

The plan calls for other creative adjustments to the building, including removing floors 72, 82 and 87. That gives double-height ceilings to the two apartments each on floors 71 and 81, and the five-bedroom floor-through unit on the 86th floor, priced at $73.5 million...

Full article here. (http://therealdeal.com/blog/2013/07/09/new-penthouse-to-be-added-at-432-park-avenue/)

[Roadcruiser1]

Okay okay okay, someone want to explain how this works:
From THE REAL DEAL

Full article here. (http://therealdeal.com/blog/2013/07/09/new-penthouse-to-be-added-at-432-park-avenue/)

They are just shrinking the floor height of the original top floor to match. Nothing really.

[MarshallKnight]

Ahh, so I think the article has it backwards, when it says: "The developers created the new 96th floor by apparently using extra high ceilings in the former 95th floor unit." It should say something like, "...by apparently eliminating extra high ceilings..." Right?

So now the penthouse, which was double-height, is single-height?

[sterlippo1]

this must be one of the most architecturally boring buildings EVER. just sayin'. :cool:

come on! it's gonna scream NEW YORK!:yes:

[scalziand]

So now the penthouse, which was double-height, is single-height?

Bingo.


Will the concrete frame be cleaned? It looks dirty.


Those aren't stains or dirt. The weather was rather cold when those floors were poured, and it affected how the concrete cured, causing the discoloration. Nothing short of painting or replacing the concrete is going to clean that up, and both options are out of the question.

[NYguy]

Ahh, so I think the article has it backwards, when it says: "The developers created the new 96th floor by apparently using extra high ceilings in the former 95th floor unit." It should say something like, "...by apparently eliminating extra high ceilings..." Right?

So now the penthouse, which was double-height, is single-height?

Should have been more like "the extra high ceilings..."

But whatever the case, it doesn't matter. They're still getting buckets of money for that space up there.


“The addition of floor slabs within Residential Unit 95 has created a new floor 96… making Residential Unit 95 single height,” the filings said.

The new unit 96 received its floor area from two units on the 45th floor, which will now be used for mechanical purposes, the filing says.

[MarshallKnight]

All I can say is, when you're talking about $95MM, the difference between double- and single-height is pretty huge.

[ThatOneGuy]

this must be one of the most architecturally boring buildings EVER. just sayin'. :cool:

Yes, that's why there's so much controversy over it, right? :rolleyes:

[sw5710]

Core jump. Now 356'

[Hed Kandi]

The exposed concrete looks terrible, like something out doldrums of the Brutalist era. A sheer embarrassment for New York!

[MarshallKnight]

The exposed concrete looks terrible

The splotchy bits where the concrete didn't cure properly aren't as prominent further up the tower -- but I think they're going to have to do something about it. It's too bad, because I think the idea of the exposed concrete was pretty inspired (and looks killer in the renders), but you can't have your bajillionaire tenants embarrassed by the flaws in their lavishly expensive building.

[hunser]

So the official floor count is now 90?

[Tedious]

Bingo.



Those aren't stains or dirt. The weather was rather cold when those floors were poured, and it affected how the concrete cured, causing the discoloration. Nothing short of painting or replacing the concrete is going to clean that up, and both options are out of the question.

From my understanding, the concrete will *eventually* cure completely, getting rid of the discoloration. You could be right though, I guess.

[MightyYoda]

Could you stain the concrete or would it not apply the same on a vertical surface? Seems that a subtle stain would be the best solution to keep the raw appeal of the concrete and clean up any blemishes.

[Patrick]

this must be one of the most architecturally boring buildings EVER. just sayin'. :cool:

If you are going to post, try and make it more interesting then just your short slander of a project.

Well it's not like he doesn't have a point, this building is dull as dirt!

However as much as I would love to hate on this building because of it's uninspiring design and demolition of The Drake, I think this building is completely necessary for the New York City of the 21st Century. This building is a huge game changer and will inspire many future New York buildings to aim higher than the Freedom Tower, something I originally thought would not happen for decades after it's completion. :tup:

Also does anyone else notice that this building is literally in the same place as the imaginary supertall skyscraper in the ending of 2001's Vanilla Sky? What a crazy coincidence, the movie practically predicted this skyscraper!

[Crawford]

Well it's not like he doesn't have a point, this building is dull as dirt!


You're entitled to your opinion, but I suspect you're of the "it's a box, therefore it's dull" crowd, which is IMO completely ridiculous. It sounds like my parents complaining about contemporary art whenever they don't understand it.

There is nothing inherently dull about a box, nor is there anything inherently creative about some weird, twisty, spire-laden building. It depends on the building.

[JACKinBeantown]

Also does anyone else notice that this building is literally in the same place as the imaginary supertall skyscraper in the ending of 2001's Vanilla Sky? What a crazy coincidence, the movie practically predicted this skyscraper!

Pretty close. Add about 500 feet and it's right there.

http://thefunambulistdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/vanilla-sky.jpg
http://thefunambulistdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/vanilla-sky.jpg

[hunser]

Per DOB filings the floor count is 96. Thread title should be changed.

[franktko]

Pretty close. Add about 500 feet and it's right there.

Au contraire; 432 will be about 150 feet taller than ESB and a bit lower than the top of ESB's antenna. This movie tower is too tall.

[JACKinBeantown]

Yes, by about 500 feet.

They're jumping the exterior forms to level 20.