NEW YORK | 432 Park Avenue (Drake Hotel dev.) | (1,396) FT / 432 M | 89 FLOORS

[-Filipe-]

That's just listed as the parapet height. Could there be something on the roof to extend the height 20 ft or so above? Always possible.

id be happy with 2 more feet to break 1400 even :D

[Harley613]

i can't handle the wait for this one, it's driving me insane! i need to see what it REALLY looks like!

[TechTalkGuy]

This new tower is exactly what we need.
Along with some other nearby towers, such as One57 -- you can expect excitement in the Midtown market to compete with the new towers under construction Downtown.

[marcatio]

Nearing the end of foundation work. The final slab section is being prepared for concrete. This section will be poured as a whole to finish the foundation.



Digging out the ramp took approximately three weeks, with the Hitachi ZX800 winding up almost in the street to finish the excavating to load a constant string of dump trucks lining E.56 Street. Most likely, the mini-excavators were used to fill the big excavator's bucket to complete the excavating, as it was nearing completion. Bear in mind, that this is a fifty foot plus deep excavation, so it took a while.



Once again, the totally unreliable Park Avenue cam acted up, today it was offline completely. Yesterday, the Hitachi was used only for occasional unloading of material, and I have the feeling it has left the site. I had wanted to watch the move-out operation, but because of the faulty cam, that was not possible to verify.



Once the final slab section has been poured, the foundation is complete, and the next phase of construction can proceed.

[ATLksuGUY]

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z10/ddawguga/untitled-1.jpg
www.432parkavenue.com


I cant wait to see this one. :banana:

[NYguy]

Once the final slab section has been poured, the foundation is complete, and the next phase of construction can proceed.

We've already come further than many of us expected when dirt first began to move, so it's all a plus from here on out...:tup:

[njcco]

Once the final slab section has been poured, the foundation is complete, and the next phase of construction can proceed.

Even the foundation looks great!

[gramsjdg]

Is the pad at the bottom of the photo with the partially rotated square on the inside the base for the crane?

[MrSlippery519]

Is the pad at the bottom of the photo with the partially rotated square on the inside the base for the crane?

It is yes.

Not a ton of work going on yet...seems like they are starting a little late today for some reason.

[uaarkson]

Aren't they switching out contractors at this stage?

[MrSlippery519]

Aren't they switching out contractors at this stage?

Not until the foundation is done as far as I know, should be done this week.

[NYguy]

Cam shot from today...

(September 10, 2012)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/145963663/large.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/145963663/original.jpg

[-Filipe-]

Didn't know where to post this, but just wanted to ask, so when this is completed will this be third tallest in the us? after 1wtc, willis? On the diagrams section it has it at 4th, but trump international tower is 1389 feet this is 9 feet taller? just wanted to ask and check if the diagram is correct :)

[hunser]

Didn't know where to post this, but just wanted to ask, so when this is completed will this be third tallest in the us? after 1wtc, willis? On the diagrams section it has it at 4th, but trump international tower is 1389 feet this is 9 feet taller? just wanted to ask and check if the diagram is correct :)

It will be the 3rd tallest (official height) and the 2nd tallest (roof height) in the U.S., respectively.

By roof height:
1. Willis Tower, 1451ft / 442m
2. 432 PA, 1398ft / 426m (for now)
3. 1WTC, 1374ft / 419m
4. ESB, 1250ft / 381m
5. Trump Chicago, 1170ft / 357m

By pinnacle height:
1. 1WTC, 1787ft / 545m
2. Willis Tower, 1729ft / 527m
3. JHC, 1500ft / 457m
4. ESB, 1472ft / 449m
5. 432 PA, 1398ft / 426m

By official height: :frog:
1. 1WTC, 1787ft / 545m (oh so does the spirantenna count? Yes, no? Eeeh?)
2. Willis Tower, 1451ft / 442m (hey, if that ugly stick on 1WTC counts then why not here? I feel betrayed!)
3. 432 PA, 1398ft / 426mt (finally... a clear case.)
4. Trump Chicago, 1389ft / 423m (ah I understand, so this is a spire yes? But damn that thing is thin, looks like an antenna to me!? Should it count?)
5. ESB, 1250ft / 381m (interesting case... well you can actually go inside that thing, there's even a 103rd floor! But what's with that fugly thing on the top?)

:)

[-Filipe-]

It will be the 3rd tallest (official height) and the 2nd tallest (roof height) in the U.S., respectively.

By roof height:
1. Willis Tower, 1451ft / 442m
2. 432 PA, 1398ft / 426m (for now)
3. 1WTC, 1374ft / 419m
4. ESB, 1250ft / 381m
5. Trump Chicago, 1170ft / 357m

By pinnacle height:
1. 1WTC, 1787ft / 545m
2. Willis Tower, 1729ft / 527m
3. JHC, 1500ft / 457m
4. ESB, 1472ft / 449m
5. 432 PA, 1398ft / 426m

By official height:
1. 1WTC, 1787ft / 545m
2. Willis Tower, 1451ft / 442m
3. 432 PA, 1398ft / 426m
4. Trump Chicago, 1389ft / 423m
5. ESB, 1250ft / 381m

:)

thanks i was wondering by official height, got kinda confused with the diagram, hopefully it gets updated soon :P

[MrSlippery519]

And the final pout for the foundation is happening right now :banana:

Hopefully it starts to rise without delay.

[Guiltyspark]

[QUOTE=hunser;5826616]It will be the 3rd tallest (official height) and the 2nd tallest (roof height) in the U.S., respectively.

Actually, it will just be the 2nd tallest overall once the not spire on 1WTC is ruled an antenna. So it will be the tallest in New York.

Whew, for a second there it looked like New York might go awhile without a boring box as its tallest... :banana:

[Ed007Toronto]

Construction site looks super clean.

[Crawford]

It will be the 3rd tallest (official height) and the 2nd tallest (roof height) in the U.S., respectively.

Actually, it will just be the 2nd tallest overall once the not spire on 1WTC is ruled an antenna. So it will be the tallest in New York.


No, 432 Park will be the second tallest in New York, officially. What you personally believe is up to you. 1 WTC will be tallest, officially.

It will probably be third tallest within 5 years, once 225 W. 57th is completed, but that's only based on news reports indicating 225 W 57 will be taller than 432 Park.

[Towersteve]

[QUOTE=hunser;5826616]It will be the 3rd tallest (official height) and the 2nd tallest (roof height) in the U.S., respectively.

Actually, it will just be the 2nd tallest overall once the not spire on 1WTC is ruled an antenna. So it will be the tallest in New York.

Whew, for a second there it looked like New York might go awhile without a boring box as its tallest... :banana:

I'm sorry I don't follow. If the antenna is not counted as a spire 1 WTC will have a foor height of 1,373 feet. Lower than 432 Park.

[TechTalkGuy]

Who cares about an antenna, no matter what, the roof height is what matters to most of us here.

If One WTC can take the title from the ESB, then 432 PA can take the title as well.

All's fair in skyscraper height! :rolleyes:

[marcatio]

After 6 hours since commencing the pouring at 7:00AM (EST), the final slab section has been completed. Finishing operations with power trowels, and placing control joints will complete the slab.

The foundation is now substantially complete.

Looking back in time when demolition, excavation, forming perimeter walls, placing footings and slabs, the foundation construction was done in relatively fast time. After inspection, the completed foundation can be handed over to the next contractor.

[MrSlippery519]

Looks like pouring is completed

[Yankee fan for life]

[QUOTE=hunser;5826616]It will be the 3rd tallest (official height) and the 2nd tallest (roof height) in the U.S., respectively.

Actually, it will just be the 2nd tallest overall once the not spire on 1WTC is ruled an antenna. So it will be the tallest in New York.

Whew, for a second there it looked like New York might go awhile without a boring box as its tallest... :banana:

As of now 1 wtc spire has not been ruled an antenna, so as for now 432 will be the third tallest building by pinnacle, and the tallest building by roof in New York,

[TechTalkGuy]

:previous: 432 Park Avenue demonstrates to all developers that here in NYC, the sky's the limit. :tup:

[UTEPman]

:previous: 432 Park Avenue demonstrates to all developers that here in NYC, the sky's the limit. :tup:

too bad they couldn't demonstrate a creative design...


Seriosly though, I like the height, but as for the boring design.... :sly:

[hunser]

Lol, nearly all of the previous posts got misquoted. It's always me who got quoted and not Guiltyspark. :frog:

Anyway, I'm looking forward to watching this tower rise above street level. Exciting times!

[NYguy]

As of now 1 wtc spire has not been ruled an antenna

It hasn't been ruled a spire either. But for the benefit of the argument, let's say the Freedom Tower will be 1,776 ft. If not, then yes, 432 Park will be taller. That's assuming at this point, they aren't secretly planning a 400 ft spire of their on at 432 Park, then everything goes out the window...:sly: But it doesn't matter. Both will be supertall towers on the City's skyline.

[Ed007Toronto]

Looking forward to see it rise.

[ThatOneGuy]

too bad they couldn't demonstrate a creative design...


Sometimes, the simpler the building, the classier. A pure flat wall of 1400 feet is astounding. Makes it appear much taller.

[THE BIG APPLE]

Please everyone on this page STAY ON TOPIC. Although I hate this building, and so does everyone else, the feat of engineering is in short, nice.

[ATLksuGUY]

Please everyone on this page STAY ON TOPIC. Although I hate this building, and so does everyone else, the feat of engineering is in short, nice.


You are wrong. If you have paid any attention to this thread before, you would realize that a lot of people including myself love this tower.

As to the previous poster, a sheer 1400 foot wall is awesome. Really does make it appear taller, just look at the original wtc.

[Don098]

LOL! Sweet.

too bad they couldn't demonstrate a creative design...


Seriosly though, I like the height, but as for the boring design.... :sly:

Yea, this is a pathetic design...but the height is nice. It'll be a Monet...good from far away, not so much up close.

[speedy1979]

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z10/ddawguga/untitled-1.jpg
www.432parkavenue.com (http://www.432parkavenue.com)


I cant wait to see this one. :banana:

There appear to be 7 footings on each side except the rear where there are only 4. Does anyone know why?

[Dac150]

As holds true for any structure, what makes or breaks it are the materials used.




Lets just wait and see . . .

[uaarkson]

^^ Thank you. I believe I said the exact same thing about One57, once upon a time. :cheers:

However - I think they could have really spiced this building up by completely separating the facade at each of the open-air segments. Some detail on the windows would have been nice too. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[JZeig1]

Does anyone know when crane will be installed???

[TechTalkGuy]

You are wrong. If you have paid any attention to this thread before, you would realize that a lot of people including myself love this tower.

As to the previous poster, a sheer 1400 foot wall is awesome. Really does make it appear taller, just look at the original wtc.

Thank god I am NOT the only one who loves this new tower.
In fact, (as I have previously posted), this IS my favorite construction project yet! :tup:

[NYguy]

As holds true for any structure, what makes or breaks it are the materials used.
Lets just wait and see . . .

I think this tower has the potential to surprise a lot of people, because there are a lot of unknowns.

[PhillyToNYC]

I don't know wether to hate or love this tower. How can anybody hate or love it just based on renderings? The answer is, you can't, so honestly, lets all just wait for it to be at least 4 stories above ground before we even bring up wether we hate it or love it.

[Lecom]

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z10/ddawguga/untitled-1.jpg
www.432parkavenue.com


I like this tower a lot, but the sad part is that the Drake Hotel wasn't demolished for the tower itself, but rather for the lowrise podium/retail component - essentially for the Park Avenue address and the associated zoning bonuses.

[NYC GUY]

The site looks very clean for a construction site. When will we see vertical progress?

[JACKinBeantown]

The diagram for this building bothers me. Not the craftsmanship, it's nice, but the scale... it's too skinny. I propose that the one by Sebastian K on this link be used until someone creates one that more closely exemplifies the final product.

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?buildingID=94370


On a related note, I did a very rough comparison using Google Maps, and it seems that this building will be about 1.5 times as wide as the top portion of One57.

[ThatOneGuy]

I like the one by STR because the horizontal strips on this tower kinda bother me.

[-Filipe-]

The diagram for this building bothers me. Not the craftsmanship, it's nice, but the scale... it's too skinny. I propose that the one by Sebastian K on this link be used until someone creates one that more closely exemplifies the final product.

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?buildingID=94370


On a related note, I did a very rough comparison using Google Maps, and it seems that this building will be about 1.5 times as wide as the top portion of One57.

they need to change the height from 1379 feet to 1398 feet on those diagrams

[Ed007Toronto]

Small footprint for such a tall building. Looking forward to it.

[Guiltyspark]

[QUOTE=Guiltyspark;5827217]

I'm sorry I don't follow. If the antenna is not counted as a spire 1 WTC will have a foor height of 1,373 feet. Lower than 432 Park.

Yeah, that is what I said... 432 Park will be the 2nd tallest in the USA and the tallest in New York.

What I "personally believe" has nothing to do with it. There is an origination that determines the height of buildings and if antenna count and 1WTC has an antenna, not a spire. It will be ruled as such upon completion.

Anyway, the height is nice, and maybe the materials and detailing will blow us away. I am not holding my breath, but maybe...

[chris123678]

Am I the only one who finds it disrespectful to steal the height from 1wtc?

It won't even be open for 2 years before this pencil stick of tower steals the height away, I find it disrespectful.

It's just a boring way to thin tower.

[Lecom]

New York has over a century's worth of tradition of pushing skyscraper heights to their limits. If anything, it would be disrespectful to the city if 1 WTC somehow put a halt to that.

[-Filipe-]

Am I the only one who finds it disrespectful to steal the height from 1wtc?

It won't even be open for 2 years before this pencil stick of tower steals the height away, I find it disrespectful.

It's just a boring way to thin tower.

how is it disrespectful? If they wanted 1wtc to be taller and be the tallest in the city for a while, they would have made it taller, yes im sure if it were designed today it would be much taller, but it is what it is :D

[koops65]

The diagram for this building bothers me. Not the craftsmanship, it's nice, but the scale... it's too skinny. I propose that the one by Sebastian K on this link be used until someone creates one that more closely exemplifies the final product.

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?buildingID=94370


On a related note, I did a very rough comparison using Google Maps, and it seems that this building will be about 1.5 times as wide as the top portion of One57.

I guess I need to give you a math lesson. The tower has a height to width ratio of 19:1. So, at 420 meters tall (the height of the drawing illustrators can upload, ask an editor why that number is used, I have no idea) that will make it approximately 22 meters wide. I made my drawing at an exact 45 degree angle. A square turned at a 45 degree angle increases the width by approximately 40%. The APPARENT width would therefore be approximately 31 meters. In the diagrams each meter is represented by 1 pixel. My drawing is of course 420 pixels high, and in fact it is 38 pixels wide, so if anything it is still TOO WIDE to be entirely realistic. The other drawings are even wider still.

To summarize, your statement about the drawing being too skinny is just plain wrong. It is actually too fat! Any truly accurate drawing would have to be even more skinny than mine is. Good luck to all the illustrators out there... Additionally, a drawing 432 pixels tall (which it should be) will cause a slight increase in the width, 32 pixels wide at the absolute maximum, or a minimum of 23 pixels if you make you drawing face-on to one of the sides.

A side note to the editors - If the height truly is 432 meters, why is the height of the drawing we can upload only 420 meters?

[TechTalkGuy]

Please stop hijacking this thread about a spire on another tower. :no:

I seriously hope that 432 Park Avenue will not have a spire.

[jd3189]

:previous: Agreed. I would like to see updates on 432 Park.

[JACKinBeantown]

I guess I need to give you a math lesson. The tower has a height to width ratio of 19:1. So, at 420 meters tall (the height of the drawing illustrators can upload, ask an editor why that number is used, I have no idea) that will make it approximately 22 meters wide. I made my drawing at an exact 45 degree angle. A square turned at a 45 degree angle increases the width by approximately 40%. The APPARENT width would therefore be approximately 31 meters. In the diagrams each meter is represented by 1 pixel. My drawing is of course 420 pixels high, and in fact it is 38 pixels wide, so if anything it is still TOO WIDE to be entirely realistic. The other drawings are even wider still.

To summarize, your statement about the drawing being too skinny is just plain wrong. It is actually too fat! Any truly accurate drawing would have to be even more skinny than mine is. Good luck to all the illustrators out there... Additionally, a drawing 432 pixels tall (which it should be) will cause a slight increase in the width, 32 pixels wide at the absolute maximum, or a minimum of 23 pixels if you make you drawing face-on to one of the sides.

A side note to the editors - If the height truly is 432 meters, why is the height of the drawing we can upload only 420 meters?

Thanks for the math lesson. :cheers:

Here's mine: 1398 / 93.5 = 14.95

[CarlosV]

today 9/16/2012 8:00 am

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Untitled-1 copy (http://www.flickr.com/phot
va321/7991580130/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[fleonzo]

I don't want to burst everyones' bubble here but if we don't see a crane being set up within the next 30 days my guess is that this project will be stalled, like many others have, due to lack of "financing". I've seen this trend too many times...you only need to compare this site to those buidlings that ARE constructed (regardless of height) to see how fast cranes go up once the foundations are cleard like this project. No crane in 30 days = stalled indefinitely!:slob:

[CarlosV]

You might be right......it looks almost deserted.

[hunser]

I don't want to burst everyones' bubble here but if we don't see a crane being set up within the next 30 days my guess is that this project will be stalled, like many others have, due to lack of "financing". I've seen this trend too many times...you only need to compare this site to those buidlings that ARE constructed (regardless of height) to see how fast cranes go up once the foundations are cleard like this project. No crane in 30 days = stalled indefinitely!:slob:

:previous:

Financing all lined up. I'll post the article later.

[NYguy]

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20120916/REAL_ESTATE/309169970

Slim supply gives condo prices new pop
Record rents, low interest rates help pump up market.


By Amanda Fung
September 16, 2012


Late last month, the developers of what will be the city's tallest residential spire, now rising on Park Avenue, submitted a plan to increase asking prices for its 128 condominiums to an average of $5,800 per square foot. Not only is that a double-digit hike from the original price set just two months earlier, it comes three years before the 1,398-foot tower is scheduled to be completed.

According to the filing with the state attorney general's office, a one-bedroom apartment will start at $4.96 million and a six-bedroom at $64.4 million. Experts say that such hikes of already astronomical prices for high-end housing are symptomatic of a phenomenon that is beginning to be felt across much of Manhattan. It is being driven by everything from people being priced out of the red-hot rental market to a lack of new building in recent years.

"Prices will be pushed higher if there is no relief in terms of supply," said Jonathan Miller, chief executive of appraisal firm Miller Samuel Inc. "It's the basic law of economics."

So far this year, 432 Park Ave. is one of just 15 new condo projects whose offering plans were submitted to the attorney general's office, which must approve them before sales can begin. Although several stalled condo projects have been revived this past year and new developments are in the works as construction lending loosens, the number of units projected to enter the market in the next few years is still likely to fall short of demand.

[fleonzo]

:previous:For those of us who live in NYC (me its been 17 years now) its always about what people "DO" versus what they "say" (especially in the press and media). Again....if in 30 days there's no crane = trouble getting this thing done!!

[NYguy]

:previous:For those of us who live in NYC (me its been 17 years now) its always about what people "DO" versus what they "say" (especially in the press and media). Again....if in 30 days there's no crane = trouble getting this thing done!!

Yes it is. And we also know these buildings don't go up over night. I see absolutely no reason to be in panic mode, nor will I see it in thirty days. The foundation has been prepared, and it was done very rapidly. If there is a pause in the action, it wouldn't bother me a bit. If the site became vacant over the winter, then I would have questions. Thirty days? Please.


Late last month, the developers of what will be the city's tallest residential spire, now rising on Park Avenue, submitted a plan to increase asking prices for its 128 condominiums to an average of $5,800 per square foot. Not only is that a double-digit hike from the original price set just two months earlier, it comes three years before the 1,398-foot tower is scheduled to be completed.

So far this year, 432 Park Ave. is one of just 15 new condo projects whose offering plans were submitted to the attorney general's office, which must approve them before sales can begin. Although several stalled condo projects have been revived this past year and new developments are in the works as construction lending loosens, the number of units projected to enter the market in the next few years is still likely to fall short of demand.

I see more reason to be optimistic about this and other developments than not. But if you want to be concerned in 30 days, how about waiting those 30 days.

[fleonzo]

Be back....in 30 days! Trust me- this is one of those RARE instances I'm hoping I'm wrong!!!

[ATLksuGUY]

Be back....in 30 days! Trust me- this is one of those RARE instances I'm hoping I'm wrong!!!
:previous::haha:


There were workers on the site two days ago. Its a Sunday. Its almost laughable that because you see no workers today, you think its bust. You do realize the company constructing the foundations, and the company constructing the building are two separate entities? The former just finished their part of the work, they cleared out. The latter will be on site within 30 days i'm sure.

[Guiltyspark]

Please stop hijacking this thread about a spire on another tower. :no:

I seriously hope that 432 Park Avenue will not have a spire.

The issue of the 1WTC antenna or spire is important to this thread because the ruling will determine if this building is the tallest in the city by overall height, or just roof height. :hell:

[TechTalkGuy]

:previous: :offtopic:

Save the rhetoric for another thread and please respect those of us who follow this thread.

[JACKinBeantown]

I guess I need to give you a math lesson. The tower has a height to width ratio of 19:1. So, at 420 meters tall (the height of the drawing illustrators can upload, ask an editor why that number is used, I have no idea) that will make it approximately 22 meters wide. I made my drawing at an exact 45 degree angle. A square turned at a 45 degree angle increases the width by approximately 40%. The APPARENT width would therefore be approximately 31 meters. In the diagrams each meter is represented by 1 pixel. My drawing is of course 420 pixels high, and in fact it is 38 pixels wide, so if anything it is still TOO WIDE to be entirely realistic. The other drawings are even wider still.

To summarize, your statement about the drawing being too skinny is just plain wrong. It is actually too fat! Any truly accurate drawing would have to be even more skinny than mine is. Good luck to all the illustrators out there... Additionally, a drawing 432 pixels tall (which it should be) will cause a slight increase in the width, 32 pixels wide at the absolute maximum, or a minimum of 23 pixels if you make you drawing face-on to one of the sides.

A side note to the editors - If the height truly is 432 meters, why is the height of the drawing we can upload only 420 meters?

Upon re-reading this I think I understand what you're saying (and I didn't before). Are you saying that you're including two sides in the width of your rendering (white and gray)? I was looking at just the white wall. So if this is the case, then sorry for the confusion. But I think you should use just the white wall for the width and then add the gray for characterization of dimension (just my opinion). And again, the rendering quality is good, I was only commenting on the width.

[nickguar]

Walked by this spot the other day and peaked through a hole in the wood blocking the site. Looks awesome. This is the perfect place in NYC for such a tall structure to emerge.

[NYguy]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444450004578000351465020048.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

A View Far Above the Rest
Park Avenue Tower Puts City's Tallest Occupied Space on Market for $85 Million


http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NY-BX086_PARK_G_20120916204354.jpg


September 16, 2012
By JOSH BARBANEL



It may be the apartment with the ultimate bragging rights in New York—the highest occupied space in this city of skyscrapers, even taller than the observation deck of One World Trade Center. It can be yours for $85 million. The six-bedroom penthouse condominium on the 95th floor is one of the more unusual apartments that have just gone on the market at a new 1,397 foot aluminum and glass tower under construction at 432 Park Ave. on the site of the old Drake Hotel. When completed in 2015, it would be the city's second-tallest building, and the penthouse would likely be the tallest space with people residing or working regularly within.

Documents show the total asking price for 432 Park Ave.'s 122 condominiums—along with staff rooms, office suites and wine cellars—is now $2.43 billion, a record for a Manhattan condominium. The tower represents another luxurious, ultraexpensive residential skyscraper hitting the Manhattan market, setting up more competition with other buildings such as One57 for wealthy buyers looking for trophy properties.

The building's foundation work has just been completed at an L-shaped construction site on Park Avenue between East 56th Street and East 57th Street. Steel beams will soon start rising skyward in a slender design by Rafael Vinoly Architects, although the building's look and height could change.

Nevertheless, a small group of real-estate brokers have already been given briefings on the development. A show room is due to open before the end of the year, brokers said. According to condo records filed with the state, 432 Park Ave. will have unusually high ceilings allowing for large picture windows to look out at the city—15 feet between floor slabs and ceiling heights of 12-and-half feet. The penthouse floor would be called the 95th but is actually on the 78th floor because the building will skip some floor numbers.

The 8,255-square-foot penthouse would be 1,302 feet above the street entrance, according to figures compiled by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitats from building plans. The highest occupied floor at One World Trade Center—which would be 1,776 feet tall but with a 408-foot antenna—would be the visitor's center at 1,251 feet, according to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. The Empire State Building is 1,250 feet high, not including its antenna.

While living "at the top of New York" could be desirable for some buyers, it isn't for everyone, said Pamela Liebman, president of the Corcoran Group, a consultant for Extell Development, which is building One57. "There are many buyers who do not want to be so high up in a building that they feel they are out of touch with the city and cityscape," she said. "It is more like being in a helicopter." Still she said having major condo towers on the market at the same time could actually bring in more buyers to both. "New York is lucky to have two such important towers being built at a time when we are severely lacking in this type of inventory," she said.

Gary Barnett, the president of Extell Development, said he didn't see 432 Park Ave. as competition. One57 is expected to sell out sooner, in six to 12 months, and begin closings next year, Mr. Barnett said. "Our delivery schedules are totally different," he said. "We want [432 Park Ave.] to do well," he said.

Howard Lorber, the chairman of Prudential Douglas Elliman, a marketing consultant on 432 Park Ave., said he was so impressed with the building's interior details and designs that he planned to buy a 4,000-square-foot half-floor apartment. Prices on similar units are listed for $22 million and up. "I liked it so much I am buying one myself," he said.

[JACKinBeantown]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444450004578000351465020048.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

September 16, 2012
By JOSH BARBANEL

"...although the building's look and height could change."

Oh please, please, please.

[Guiltyspark]

:previous: :offtopic:

Save the rhetoric for another thread and please respect those of us who follow this thread.

I don't really respect you. Your posts are simplistic and you seem like a person who just likes to look at pictures and say "This is tall! Exactly what NY needs!"

These threads are here to discuss important aspects of the building (like if it will be ruled the tallest in the city or not) not just look at pictures of the construction.

[Guiltyspark]

"...although the building's look and height could change."

Oh please, please, please.

I hope so too. Additional height from some sort of crown may be welcome if it works with the cladding style. The width is already set in stone (concrete) but a lot happen as far as the height goes.

[hunser]

^ I'm more concerned about a height reduction, as it happens from time to time in NY. I just hope it stays over 400m, so we'll have another building (besides 1 and 2WTC) which will join the 400m+ club.

You do realize the company constructing the foundations, and the company constructing the building are two separate entities? The former just finished their part of the work, they cleared out. The latter will be on site within 30 days i'm sure.

Exactly. This will be built, no doubt about it. The New York rental market is hot.

[RoldanTTLB]

Eh, so this will get built. That's why they built the foundation. And it will keep going immediately. The reason there are so many foundations lying around with buildings un-built on them (or were so many, actually, there's far less now than there were) was the 421a tax abatement that no longer exists. There were huge monetary advantages to building enough of the foundation as quickly as possible to guarantee entry into the program. 99 Church still qualifies because of this. Now that the abatement is gone, developers won't be rushing to build foundations without solid building plans before it expires. That's all there is to it. Market manipulations at work. Nothing more.

[JACKinBeantown]

I hope so too. Additional height from some sort of crown may be welcome if it works with the cladding style. The width is already set in stone (concrete) but a lot happen as far as the height goes.

I was talking about the design.

[TechTalkGuy]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444450004578000351465020048.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

A View Far Above the Rest
Park Avenue Tower Puts City's Tallest Occupied Space on Market for $85 Million


http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NY-BX086_PARK_G_20120916204354.jpg

After reading the report (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444450004578000351465020048.html?mod=googlenews_wsj) on the Wall Street Journal (http://www.wsj.com), I agree that both One57 and 432 Park Avenue are not in any competition whatsoever, even though they are both along the 57th Street corridor.

I do wonder if Donald Trump (http://www.trump.com) might be interested in buying out the entire tower and adding his name (in gold) to capitalize on this development and to gain bragging rights.

[1Boston]

I agree that both One57 and 432 Park Avenue are not in any competition whatsoever, even though they are both along the 57th Street corridor..

It also doesn't surprise me that gary barnett said that he hoped 432 park did well because if he plans on putting up another supertall residential tower(225 w57) then 432 park doing well is probably the best sign that he will have that his next project will be a success.

[CGII]

Be back....in 30 days! Trust me- this is one of those RARE instances I'm hoping I'm wrong!!!

Beekman was on hold for a year and it got done, the Drake has just a couple of days of less-than-normal busy-ness and it's panic time?

[Roadcruiser1]

Whoever owns the upper most floor of 432 Park Avenue will be the luckiest person on Earth. Here are the views at exactly 1,397 feet up above the site from Google Earth.

The view of the Bronx and Queens.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8035/7998899175_66e9a217b6_b.jpg

Lower Manhattan and Brooklyn.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8037/7998901390_3d94c261a4_b.jpg

Lower Manhattan.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8300/7998901602_8f9d6a54ef_b.jpg

Midtown Manhattan.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8462/7998900645_fa0f29818f_b.jpg

New Jersey.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8171/7998903858_54e8edb1cd_b.jpg

Queens.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8039/7998902169_d825dff6f4_b.jpg

Upper East Side and Central Park.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8459/7998902729_3f210a7b5a_b.jpg

Upper West Side and Central Park.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8313/7998902847_c87bc76572_b.jpg

[NYguy]

Steel beams will soon start rising skyward in a slender design by Rafael Vinoly Architects, although the building's look and height could change.

Steel rising is what we've all been waiting for, it just takes a little patience. We never really had a clearly defined construction schedule to begin with, or very detailed renderings of the tower for that matter. It's not surprising that things could still be in flux, though I don't expect any major changes.

[JACKinBeantown]

Steel beams? I thought it was to be poured concrete. Or what that just something akin to poetic license?

[NewYorkDominates]

One lucky person,couple or family will see Manhattan like no other.

[Ed007Toronto]

^ Make it me please :)

[JACKinBeantown]

They seem to be marking the foundation for the next phase of construction.

http://www.432park.com/

[Guiltyspark]

Edit

[Surrealplaces]

One lucky person,couple or family will see Manhattan like no other.

Please if there is a god...let that person be good with a camera!

[JACKinBeantown]

Please if there is a god...let that person be good with a camera!

Let that person be good with a camera whether or not there's a god. :cheers:

[NYguy]

Cam shot


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146146617/large.jpg
www.432park.com

[Brian Dino Vabec]

Cam shot



They removed toilets today and started with the digger. Now we are waiting for the next move. We heard from the inside that they should be above the ground till the end of the year. Looks like things should move fast.

[MrSlippery519]

Cant tell exactly what is going on however you can see a small crane of somekind on 56th doing something against the foundation wall. Again impossible to really see but things are still progressing.

Hopefully next week we might start to see some new materials.

[MrSlippery519]

Some more stuff going on today on 56th...crane going in potentially??

[ATLksuGUY]

Some more stuff going on today on 56th...crane going in potentially??

Yeah, that's a new small crane I believe. Also, it appears that something is going on where the tower crane will be placed. Prob just preparations. Maybe next week?

www.432Parkavenue.com
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z10/ddawguga/Untitled_zps2536b3ce.png

[NYguy]

A few more from the cam...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146171106/original.jpg
www.432park.com


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146171107/original.jpg
www.432park.com

[rack776]

Has anyone discussed the stability of the building due to the effects of the wind through the open balconys? I'm assuming a Tuned Mass Damper of some sort would be needed. Would the openings cause some unwanted vibration or wind sounds in a building this tall & skinny?

I was also wondering if the open space would be usable or very windy/drafty,
How were the conditions on top of the old WTC open observation deck? I'm guessing this would be simmilar.

If money was no object, I'd buy the top floor and make some money back by putting in an observation deck complete with the coin-op binoculars :tup:
SSP members would get in free, all others could pay what the ESB charges. LOL!

[AlphaCentauri]

Several crates have been placed in the western corner of the site.

[marcatio]

After what seemed like a long time since the foundation had been completed, activity resumes. (The final slab section was poured on 9-11-12, eleven days ago.) The big Hitachi ZX800 has departed today, marking the end of Mayrich Construction Company's role in the construction process.

Considering the scope of work required for demolition, excavating, pouring concrete for walls, footings and slabs, the foundation work has progressed at a brisk pace.

A rough-terrain hydraulic crane arrived today (I believe owned by Bay Crane) and takes up a position on E.56 St, crab-steering into position on the timber planking set yesterday. Building supplies are being unloaded, including 2 containers, a forklift, a rebar bending table and rebar supports, an air compressor, a Jobbox, etc.etc. in preparation for the next phase of construction.

[hunser]

The penthouse floor would be called the 95th but is actually on the 78th floor because the building will skip some floor numbers.

Alright, I know the advertised floor number always differs from the actual one (same goes for Trump World Tower btw). But the tower is going to have 89 floors, so how come the arcticle says that the 78th is the last floor?

The highest occupied floor at One World Trade Center—which would be 1,776 feet tall but with a 408-foot antenna—would be the visitor's center at 1,251 feet, according to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

That's just wrong. The last occupied floor is above the obs. deck and at 400m+.

The 8,255-square-foot penthouse would be 1,302 feet above the street entrance, according to figures compiled by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitats from building plans.

May I ask what they are going to do with the remaining 100 feet lol?

432 Park Ave. will have unusually high ceilings allowing for large picture windows to look out at the city—15 feet between floor slabs and ceiling heights of 12-and-half feet.

No wonder it won't hit 100 floors. 1398:15=93,2.

[MrSlippery519]

May I ask what they are going to do with the remaining 100 feet lol?


Likely be mechanical floors I would assume, with the top "livable" floor being at the 1300ft mark.

[Ed007Toronto]

Great shots from the cam.

[TechTalkGuy]

I wouldn't mind a room at any height just too have that address!

I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm not a billionaire.

[Fardeb]

Looks like even more materials showing up and quite a bit of other little activity going on. Sure doesn't look like an abandoned site to me. :haha: